(05-14-2018 01:52 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 01:41 PM)Ragu Wrote:  I don't think message boards matter to football players They don't care. But attendance smack is the lamest of the lame so there is that ... it's used against the Florida schools when they win and that won't change. Factors weigh into why attendance suffers but dumb people will forever ignore them

I really didn't think I'd need the sarcasm tag on my post...

I got that it was sarcasm. It's also a worthless post. Complaining about people debating things on a message board while being on said message board yourself makes little sense

(05-14-2018 01:48 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  Attendance is a huge factor in success. No way around that. You can make an argument for large cities that it's harder to get people to the games, due to traffic, more things to do, % of population attended another school in same city or near by, etc. Whereas in small town it might be easier, only thing to do, built as a college town. Regardless attendance is key.

You need to do both, win & get people to the games. Otherwise it's going to hurt the entire conference & will hurt our chances of getting TV contracts & other publicity. Just an awful look to have empty stands

Sure thing... but what exactly is the point of discussing it here? It's hardly a discussion, it's just a pissing contest to say how "my team isn't failing as bad as yours." I have a feeling the people who are posting here about football in May are probably attending the games if they are able. I just don't understand the point in all of this.

(05-14-2018 01:58 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  You read it wrong, winning is key for success. If no one cares that you're winning it's not going to get noticed. That's a problem. Someone in another G5 with both is going to always get the nod. Everything will factor in especially when it comes to bowl games.

I don't know about that. If fau strings together 3 more seasons like this and attendance is still not great... and ucf somehow got invited to a power 5. I'd still think fau would have a good shot at a spot.

If attendance was all that mattered, some of the schools here like southern miss wouldn't still be here

Tv and such add more than fans in the stands nowadays it seems

But again , I don't care. I don't live there. I'll take 5000 in the stands and winning over 25k in the stands and being mediocre. Attendance smack is again very desperate

Don't ask me, it was brought up earlier in this thread. That's why I commented. It does relate to football & this is a message board for football. So I think it's okay to talk about. It's an important topic too, one that does & will impact our conference going forward.

(05-14-2018 01:59 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 01:52 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 01:41 PM)Ragu Wrote:  I don't think message boards matter to football players They don't care. But attendance smack is the lamest of the lame so there is that ... it's used against the Florida schools when they win and that won't change. Factors weigh into why attendance suffers but dumb people will forever ignore them

I really didn't think I'd need the sarcasm tag on my post...

I got that it was sarcasm. It's also a worthless post. Complaining about people debating things on a message board while being on said message board yourself makes little sense

Ah yeah, the ol' "I knew it was sarcasm even though my reply definitely didn't go along with it" and "my post is worth more than your post." You just proved my first point after all... congrats. No sarcasm there.

(05-14-2018 02:03 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 01:58 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  You read it wrong, winning is key for success. If no one cares that you're winning it's not going to get noticed. That's a problem. Someone in another G5 with both is going to always get the nod. Everything will factor in especially when it comes to bowl games.

I don't know about that. If fau strings together 3 more seasons like this and attendance is still not great... and ucf somehow got invited to a power 5. I'd still think fau would have a good shot at a spot.

If attendance was all that mattered, some of the schools here like southern miss wouldn't still be here

Tv and such add more than fans in the stands nowadays it seems

But again , I don't care. I don't live there. I'll take 5000 in the stands and winning over 25k in the stands and being mediocre. Attendance smack is again very desperate

The program won't last long. If you can't understand that attendance is a huge factor you're not paying attention. You're not going to win every year, so no matter what you're going to encounter bad years. Where if your attendance is bad & your record is bad it's going to be very bad.

(05-14-2018 02:07 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 01:59 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 01:52 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 01:41 PM)Ragu Wrote:  I don't think message boards matter to football players They don't care. But attendance smack is the lamest of the lame so there is that ... it's used against the Florida schools when they win and that won't change. Factors weigh into why attendance suffers but dumb people will forever ignore them

I really didn't think I'd need the sarcasm tag on my post...

I got that it was sarcasm. It's also a worthless post. Complaining about people debating things on a message board while being on said message board yourself makes little sense

Ah yeah, the ol' "I knew it was sarcasm even though my reply definitely didn't go along with it" and "my post is worth more than your post." You just proved my first point after all... congrats. No sarcasm there.

Ah the old complaining about debates while adding nothing yourself in multiple posts. Congrats

We all know it's just fans debating. And we all know in the grand scheme of things thee boards don't add to the programs

But either add to the debate or stay out. Nobody asked for your opinion on relevancy

(05-14-2018 02:09 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 02:03 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 01:58 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  You read it wrong, winning is key for success. If no one cares that you're winning it's not going to get noticed. That's a problem. Someone in another G5 with both is going to always get the nod. Everything will factor in especially when it comes to bowl games.

I don't know about that. If fau strings together 3 more seasons like this and attendance is still not great... and ucf somehow got invited to a power 5. I'd still think fau would have a good shot at a spot.

If attendance was all that mattered, some of the schools here like southern miss wouldn't still be here

Tv and such add more than fans in the stands nowadays it seems

But again , I don't care. I don't live there. I'll take 5000 in the stands and winning over 25k in the stands and being mediocre. Attendance smack is again very desperate

The program won't last long. If you can't understand that attendance is a huge factor you're not paying attention. You're not going to win every year, so no matter what you're going to encounter bad years. Where if your attendance is bad & your record is bad it's going to be very bad.

The program will survive just fine. Have you looked at the athletic budget fau has? There's a lot more programs in cusa and other G5 conferences who would fold before us regardless of a new and fickle fanbase

(05-14-2018 02:49 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 02:09 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 02:03 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 01:58 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  You read it wrong, winning is key for success. If no one cares that you're winning it's not going to get noticed. That's a problem. Someone in another G5 with both is going to always get the nod. Everything will factor in especially when it comes to bowl games.

I don't know about that. If fau strings together 3 more seasons like this and attendance is still not great... and ucf somehow got invited to a power 5. I'd still think fau would have a good shot at a spot.

If attendance was all that mattered, some of the schools here like southern miss wouldn't still be here

Tv and such add more than fans in the stands nowadays it seems

But again , I don't care. I don't live there. I'll take 5000 in the stands and winning over 25k in the stands and being mediocre. Attendance smack is again very desperate

The program won't last long. If you can't understand that attendance is a huge factor you're not paying attention. You're not going to win every year, so no matter what you're going to encounter bad years. Where if your attendance is bad & your record is bad it's going to be very bad.

The program will survive just fine. Have you looked at the athletic budget fau has? There's a lot more programs in cusa and other G5 conferences who would fold before us regardless of a new and fickle fanbase

That's fine, I'm not going to argue with your opinions. . But that fact is college athletics is a big business. If you're spending more than what you're taking in & you're in the red over numerous years without any outside support such as sponsors, donors, sales, contracts, etc. which attendance impacts, then it's not going to end up good. Unless you just want to stay complacent over many years. I think FAU will be just fine, I'm not even talking about FAU. I'm talking in general. Programs that want to be successful need to ensure they have a strong fan base. The budget increases of new programs are so you can do such things & it's mentioned when these budgets are proposed. There are quotes from the schools available to back this


Here's a quote regarding your school.There are many more too


All other expenses including salaries were flat. We also furloughed all employees four days and laid off some staff members,” Angelos said.He said with FAU’s planned stadium, the university is working to create a model where athletics is supported more from outside sources than student fees. But he said the fee increases just help the university maintain the status quo.

They aren't opinions. Budgets are factual

And attendance has already been bad many years and the budget is still high and the program is improving. I don't ever expect south Florida schools like fau and fiu to be booming in attendance Way too many options down there in things to do and it's a transplant population because it's a destination area.

Not many people move to West Virginia or Mississippi. And with no pro teams and less to do , the college team with it's 100 year homegrown base will of course get more support. Florida schools will still survive just fine though

(05-14-2018 03:20 PM)Ragu Wrote:  They aren't opinions. Budgets are factual

And attendance has already been bad many years and the budget is still high and the program is improving. I don't ever expect south Florida schools like fau and fiu to be booming in attendance Way too many options down there in things to do and it's a transplant population because it's a destination area.

Not many people move to West Virginia or Mississippi. And with no pro teams and less to do , the college team with it's 100 year homegrown base will of course get more support. Florida schools will still survive just fine though

I'm not understanding your idea of budgets, a budget is a number. It doesn't mean anything unless you're exceeding it. You can have a budget of 100m & you're taking in 50m. So your net is -50. I know that's not your budget but I think you guys are around 25m & I don't know what your net is. That's what's important.

They have smart people in charge and are doing just fine despite the bad attendance. People on message boards have tried to question fau and fiu on this before There are many rich donors in south Florida. The people in charge know what they are doing

This season, Florida Atlantic is paying its new football coach more than any other coach in Conference USA. However, this same season, the Owls will net the smallest amount of money from non-conference games in school history, according to FAU game contracts.

Sources


https://www.google.com/amp/www.sun-senti...y,amp.html

(05-14-2018 03:31 PM)Ragu Wrote:  They have smart people in charge and are doing just fine despite the bad attendance. People on message boards have tried to question fau and fiu on this before There are many rich donors in south Florida. The people in charge know what they are doing

That's fair.

(05-14-2018 03:31 PM)Ragu Wrote:  They have smart people in charge and are doing just fine despite the bad attendance. People on message boards have tried to question fau and fiu on this before There are many rich donors in south Florida. The people in charge know what they are doing

Hold on. CUSA invited FAU and FIU because you guys are supposed to hate each other. This holding hands over shatty attendance has got to stop.

(05-14-2018 03:31 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  This season, Florida Atlantic is paying its new football coach more than any other coach in Conference USA. However, this same season, the Owls will net the smallest amount of money from non-conference games in school history, according to FAU game contracts.

Sources


https://www.google.com/amp/www.sun-senti...y,amp.html

That just shows they took one less money game. In the past they've had 2 of the 4 out of conference games be money games. This year it's just one in Oklahoma

So having the money to pay more for a coach while having the ability to take less money games is a positive not a negative. It shows the money stream is growing if you look at it logically

(05-14-2018 03:41 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 03:31 PM)Ragu Wrote:  They have smart people in charge and are doing just fine despite the bad attendance. People on message boards have tried to question fau and fiu on this before There are many rich donors in south Florida. The people in charge know what they are doing

Hold on. CUSA invited FAU and FIU because you guys are supposed to hate each other. This holding hands over shatty attendance has got to stop.

I'm more of a logical fan than a homer fan. I can not like fiu while also knowing that both schools will always have attendance issues due to reasons I've laid out throughout this thread and many others

(05-14-2018 03:41 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 03:31 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  This season, Florida Atlantic is paying its new football coach more than any other coach in Conference USA. However, this same season, the Owls will net the smallest amount of money from non-conference games in school history, according to FAU game contracts.

Sources


https://www.google.com/amp/www.sun-senti...y,amp.html

That just shows they took one less money game. In the past they've had 2 of the 4 out of conference games be money games. This year it's just one in Oklahoma

So having the money to pay more for a coach while having the ability to take less money games is a positive not a negative. It shows the money stream is growing if you look at it logically

In a May interview, Chun said “a near capacity [crowd] or majority of the house full is probably a safe goal to have” for the season-opener against Navy on Sept. 1. Ticket sales will be vital to FAU as it hopes to offset decreased guarantee game revenue and increased salaries.


My whole point is having a strong & growing fan base is very important to the success of a program. Thats all I'm saying. Every AD in our conference especially for new programs say this all the time

Every AD would want every seat filled. You are talking 2 different points here

No AD is going to prefer less attendance. But fau is paying the most for its coach with less money games despite bad attendance. So just imagine what they can do with a little better attendance. More fans are great but fau has and will continue to survive and spend while never getting 25 k like other programs here in cusa

(05-14-2018 03:54 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Every AD would want every seat filled. You are talking 2 different points here

No AD is going to prefer less attendance. But fau is paying the most for its coach with less money games despite bad attendance. So just imagine what they can do with a little better attendance. More fans are great but fau has and will continue to survive and spend while never getting 25 k like other programs here in cusa

Your revenue stream comes from student fees. That's the biggest part of your budget. I hope for FAU those students start going to games. It would be nice to see you guys be good & increase the attendance