The inability to read and comprehend, not to mention outright limited viewpoint of what the Tiger program can become astounds me.

Thank goodness our administration isn't as stupid as some.

We had more than 40,000 in every non-weather affected game last season. We could've easily had more than 50,000 in multiple games had it not been a problem. We still managed to average 36,000. So, if you take off the hurricane game (which was also a $5 Kroger game so that cost us a bump in attendance as well) and we averaged 39,805 for the other 6 games. That still includes the Tulane game which was well below average.

The whole supply/demand argument is useless. Win and they will come, as long as rain or extreme heat aren't a major factor. The fact that we are building a program and aren't the same Tigers of seven years ago apparently escapes some. But thankfully battered fan syndrome can be cured.

(05-25-2018 08:46 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  The older I get, the more I realize that things that happen in the private sector are not the way things happen in the public sector. If you want things done quickly and on time, you best be in the private sector since there are usually financial penalties involved and quicker decisions being made with little if any politics involved. Some people in the public sector, make decsions based on zero professional experience (in many cases decisions are made by lawyers with zero business experience) in that area whereas in the private sector...you better have vast experience in the subject and make the right decsions or you are out of a job

I wish that were much more universally true, but it is not. There are a lot of people who hire/promote friends and other loser miserable POS's who have such bad personality / psyche deficiencies that they get played by the brown-noser, kiss up, schmoozer types. Sometimes it catches up to them, but much of the time they are able to skate by. American business loses BILLIONS to dipstick loser behavior.

(05-27-2018 05:18 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  The inability to read and comprehend, not to mention outright limited viewpoint of what the Tiger program can become astounds me.

Thank goodness our administration isn't as stupid as some.

We had more than 40,000 in every non-weather affected game last season. We could've easily had more than 50,000 in multiple games had it not been a problem. We still managed to average 36,000. So, if you take off the hurricane game (which was also a $5 Kroger game so that cost us a bump in attendance as well) and we averaged 39,805 for the other 6 games. That still includes the Tulane game which was well below average.

The whole supply/demand argument is useless. Win and they will come, as long as rain or extreme heat aren't a major factor. The fact that we are building a program and aren't the same Tigers of seven years ago apparently escapes some. But thankfully battered fan syndrome can be cured.

So you have no problem creating a 50K seat capacity?

(05-28-2018 12:16 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 05:18 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  The inability to read and comprehend, not to mention outright limited viewpoint of what the Tiger program can become astounds me.

Thank goodness our administration isn't as stupid as some.

We had more than 40,000 in every non-weather affected game last season. We could've easily had more than 50,000 in multiple games had it not been a problem. We still managed to average 36,000. So, if you take off the hurricane game (which was also a $5 Kroger game so that cost us a bump in attendance as well) and we averaged 39,805 for the other 6 games. That still includes the Tulane game which was well below average.

The whole supply/demand argument is useless. Win and they will come, as long as rain or extreme heat aren't a major factor. The fact that we are building a program and aren't the same Tigers of seven years ago apparently escapes some. But thankfully battered fan syndrome can be cured.

So you have no problem creating a 50K seat capacity?

Honestly, yes. I think it might've actually been a good idea when we weren't drawing 30,000 to any of the games unless we played an SEC team, usually only ut and ole miss, but now that formula is out the window.

Why try and cram 48,000 into a 50,000 seat stadium if you don't have to?! It isn't going to cause any more fans to want to come, might even turn some away.
If you tarp anything other than the other end zone, which is going to be the visitor area, you simply make it look bad on television.

I think the University, with it's new tailgating partnership is looking for ways to fill the Liberty Bowl, not restrict seating. THAT should be the focus. The most important single factor in filling that stadium is winning. This debate is about to become obsolete for the time being as I honestly don't think we will have any issues (other than weather) drawing more than 40,000 to "lesser" games and more than 50,000 to the big ones. I think IF Houston is the second best team in the West, we will have a great turnout. Already predict a great one for UCF.

This is the last project that falls under the old board. As usual, they are being asshats

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(05-28-2018 01:21 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 12:16 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 05:18 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  The inability to read and comprehend, not to mention outright limited viewpoint of what the Tiger program can become astounds me.

Thank goodness our administration isn't as stupid as some.

We had more than 40,000 in every non-weather affected game last season. We could've easily had more than 50,000 in multiple games had it not been a problem. We still managed to average 36,000. So, if you take off the hurricane game (which was also a $5 Kroger game so that cost us a bump in attendance as well) and we averaged 39,805 for the other 6 games. That still includes the Tulane game which was well below average.

The whole supply/demand argument is useless. Win and they will come, as long as rain or extreme heat aren't a major factor. The fact that we are building a program and aren't the same Tigers of seven years ago apparently escapes some. But thankfully battered fan syndrome can be cured.

So you have no problem creating a 50K seat capacity?

Honestly, yes. I think it might've actually been a good idea when we weren't drawing 30,000 to any of the games unless we played an SEC team, usually only ut and ole miss, but now that formula is out the window.

Why try and cram 48,000 into a 50,000 seat stadium if you don't have to?! It isn't going to cause any more fans to want to come, might even turn some away.
If you tarp anything other than the other end zone, which is going to be the visitor area, you simply make it look bad on television.

I think the University, with it's new tailgating partnership is looking for ways to fill the Liberty Bowl, not restrict seating. THAT should be the focus. The most important single factor in filling that stadium is winning. This debate is about to become obsolete for the time being as I honestly don't think we will have any issues (other than weather) drawing more than 40,000 to "lesser" games and more than 50,000 to the big ones. I think IF Houston is the second best team in the West, we will have a great turnout. Already predict a great one for UCF.

I used to believe that winning was factor #1. Last season may have proved that weather still trumps winning.

I am still surprised at the Cyclones fan turnout to the Liberty Bowl last year - I would have thought it would and should have been a lot less cardinal and gold

(05-28-2018 03:34 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 01:21 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 12:16 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 05:18 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  The inability to read and comprehend, not to mention outright limited viewpoint of what the Tiger program can become astounds me.

Thank goodness our administration isn't as stupid as some.

We had more than 40,000 in every non-weather affected game last season. We could've easily had more than 50,000 in multiple games had it not been a problem. We still managed to average 36,000. So, if you take off the hurricane game (which was also a $5 Kroger game so that cost us a bump in attendance as well) and we averaged 39,805 for the other 6 games. That still includes the Tulane game which was well below average.

The whole supply/demand argument is useless. Win and they will come, as long as rain or extreme heat aren't a major factor. The fact that we are building a program and aren't the same Tigers of seven years ago apparently escapes some. But thankfully battered fan syndrome can be cured.

So you have no problem creating a 50K seat capacity?

Honestly, yes. I think it might've actually been a good idea when we weren't drawing 30,000 to any of the games unless we played an SEC team, usually only ut and ole miss, but now that formula is out the window.

Why try and cram 48,000 into a 50,000 seat stadium if you don't have to?! It isn't going to cause any more fans to want to come, might even turn some away.
If you tarp anything other than the other end zone, which is going to be the visitor area, you simply make it look bad on television.

I think the University, with it's new tailgating partnership is looking for ways to fill the Liberty Bowl, not restrict seating. THAT should be the focus. The most important single factor in filling that stadium is winning. This debate is about to become obsolete for the time being as I honestly don't think we will have any issues (other than weather) drawing more than 40,000 to "lesser" games and more than 50,000 to the big ones. I think IF Houston is the second best team in the West, we will have a great turnout. Already predict a great one for UCF.

I used to believe that winning was factor #1. Last season may have proved that weather still trumps winning.

Both can be true. Losing year after losing year didn't entice anyone to check out the LB on fall Saturdays (the only way to watch most games). Nowadays, fans can stay home and watch every game on tv (easier choice in inclement weather).

Unfortunately, it's an easier choice period. Most, of not all games are on tv and with digital cameras, it's almost like being there. Watch from your recliner, eat your own food. Don't have to deal with traffic, tickets, concessions. You can watch 4 or 5 games every fall Saturday.

It's not just us or college football. Look at a major league baseball game. Notice how many empty seats there are?

(05-28-2018 04:39 PM)TallTiger Wrote:  Unfortunately, it's an easier choice period. Most, of not all games are on tv and with digital cameras, it's almost like being there. Watch from your recliner, eat your own food. Don't have to deal with traffic, tickets, concessions. You can watch 4 or 5 games every fall Saturday.

It's not just us or college football. Look at a major league baseball game. Notice how many empty seats there are?

Lol

81 home games per year vs 4-6 football games per year

NBA 41 home games a year, and not all on a Sat afternoon

There are some sports that are just better on TV. The two most obvious are golf and any type of racing on a road course, but even with those two and every sport, it is good to sometimes see them live just to have an appreciation for how spectacular the athletes or the cars are. If there is a pro tour event it is great to go for the practice rounds or pro-am and the same holds for practice and qualifying for car racing.

So even for football, baseball, hockey, basketball I try to see a few games live every year to appreciate the talent of the participants.

(05-28-2018 05:02 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There are some sports that are just better on TV. The two most obvious are golf and any type of racing on a road course, but even with those two and every sport, it is good to sometimes see them live just to have an appreciation for how spectacular the athletes or the cars are. If there is a pro tour event it is great to go for the practice rounds or pro-am and the same holds for practice and qualifying for car racing.

So even for football, baseball, hockey, basketball I try to see a few games live every year to appreciate the talent of the participants.

Of all people, I'm surprised you didn't come out and say that NHL hockey is the coolest sport to watch in person vs TV. There's truly no comparison.

(05-28-2018 03:46 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  I am still surprised at the Cyclones fan turnout to the Liberty Bowl last year - I would have thought it would and should have been a lot less cardinal and gold

Why does that surprise you? It was a BOWL game. An equal percentage is give to both schools. If one school didn't sell their allotment, they return them. Apart from that, the sponsors get a percentage of tickets. I can say there were almost zero, on the street tickets that didn't fit into the above two categories.

Iowa State sold out the tickets when they came the first time as well.

(05-28-2018 03:34 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 01:21 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 12:16 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 05:18 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  The inability to read and comprehend, not to mention outright limited viewpoint of what the Tiger program can become astounds me.

Thank goodness our administration isn't as stupid as some.

We had more than 40,000 in every non-weather affected game last season. We could've easily had more than 50,000 in multiple games had it not been a problem. We still managed to average 36,000. So, if you take off the hurricane game (which was also a $5 Kroger game so that cost us a bump in attendance as well) and we averaged 39,805 for the other 6 games. That still includes the Tulane game which was well below average.

The whole supply/demand argument is useless. Win and they will come, as long as rain or extreme heat aren't a major factor. The fact that we are building a program and aren't the same Tigers of seven years ago apparently escapes some. But thankfully battered fan syndrome can be cured.

So you have no problem creating a 50K seat capacity?

Honestly, yes. I think it might've actually been a good idea when we weren't drawing 30,000 to any of the games unless we played an SEC team, usually only ut and ole miss, but now that formula is out the window.

Why try and cram 48,000 into a 50,000 seat stadium if you don't have to?! It isn't going to cause any more fans to want to come, might even turn some away.
If you tarp anything other than the other end zone, which is going to be the visitor area, you simply make it look bad on television.

I think the University, with it's new tailgating partnership is looking for ways to fill the Liberty Bowl, not restrict seating. THAT should be the focus. The most important single factor in filling that stadium is winning. This debate is about to become obsolete for the time being as I honestly don't think we will have any issues (other than weather) drawing more than 40,000 to "lesser" games and more than 50,000 to the big ones. I think IF Houston is the second best team in the West, we will have a great turnout. Already predict a great one for UCF.

I used to believe that winning was factor #1. Last season may have proved that weather still trumps winning.

Weather has ALWAY been the #1 factor. If you think 40,000 would've shown up that first game if we were playing ole miss, you are crazy. Now, possibly 20,000 might've shown up, but it still would've been a massively smaller crowd. That's why all my statements about attendance have the designation of "other than weather".
I think we will win at least 10 games next season, other than a rash of bad injuries.

I’ll be disappointed if we don’t average 40K and lead the conference in attendance this season.

The Navy game outcome will likely factor in by a few thousand the next two games.

(05-28-2018 06:58 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 03:46 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  I am still surprised at the Cyclones fan turnout to the Liberty Bowl last year - I would have thought it would and should have been a lot less cardinal and gold

Why does that surprise you? It was a BOWL game. An equal percentage is give to both schools. If one school didn't sell their allotment, they return them. Apart from that, the sponsors get a percentage of tickets. I can say there were almost zero, on the street tickets that didn't fit into the above two categories.

Iowa State sold out the tickets when they came the first time as well.

Why?

Of course it's a BOWL game, featuring the home team to boot.

I'm not sure what you're saying above refutes my original point. Each team was allotted 15K tickets.

That leaves close to 30K more seats available.

Was that what that crowd looked like?

Selling out your allotment of tickets before has no bearing on why they came in droves and took our seats.

(05-28-2018 06:08 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 05:02 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There are some sports that are just better on TV. The two most obvious are golf and any type of racing on a road course, but even with those two and every sport, it is good to sometimes see them live just to have an appreciation for how spectacular the athletes or the cars are. If there is a pro tour event it is great to go for the practice rounds or pro-am and the same holds for practice and qualifying for car racing.

So even for football, baseball, hockey, basketball I try to see a few games live every year to appreciate the talent of the participants.

Of all people, I'm surprised you didn't come out and say that NHL hockey is the coolest sport to watch in person vs TV. There's truly no comparison.

For sure. The guys shoot anywhere between 80-100mph and skate over 30mph and have all that momentum when they bodycheck, each other. Whenever I have friends in from out of town that haven't seen a hockey game live, I always take them to one.

(05-28-2018 01:21 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 12:16 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 05:18 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  The inability to read and comprehend, not to mention outright limited viewpoint of what the Tiger program can become astounds me.

Thank goodness our administration isn't as stupid as some.

We had more than 40,000 in every non-weather affected game last season. We could've easily had more than 50,000 in multiple games had it not been a problem. We still managed to average 36,000. So, if you take off the hurricane game (which was also a $5 Kroger game so that cost us a bump in attendance as well) and we averaged 39,805 for the other 6 games. That still includes the Tulane game which was well below average.

The whole supply/demand argument is useless. Win and they will come, as long as rain or extreme heat aren't a major factor. The fact that we are building a program and aren't the same Tigers of seven years ago apparently escapes some. But thankfully battered fan syndrome can be cured.

So you have no problem creating a 50K seat capacity?

Honestly, yes. I think it might've actually been a good idea when we weren't drawing 30,000 to any of the games unless we played an SEC team, usually only ut and ole miss, but now that formula is out the window.

Why try and cram 48,000 into a 50,000 seat stadium if you don't have to?! It isn't going to cause any more fans to want to come, might even turn some away.
If you tarp anything other than the other end zone, which is going to be the visitor area, you simply make it look bad on television.

I think the University, with it's new tailgating partnership is looking for ways to fill the Liberty Bowl, not restrict seating. THAT should be the focus. The most important single factor in filling that stadium is winning. This debate is about to become obsolete for the time being as I honestly don't think we will have any issues (other than weather) drawing more than 40,000 to "lesser" games and more than 50,000 to the big ones. I think IF Houston is the second best team in the West, we will have a great turnout. Already predict a great one for UCF.

Several studies have concluded that smaller venues very likely increase season ticket sales because fans don’t want to be left out. We need a 16K basketball arena and a 50K football capacity for football. Football has more room to grow than basketball but in following off years smaller really helps.

(05-28-2018 07:37 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 06:58 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 03:46 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  I am still surprised at the Cyclones fan turnout to the Liberty Bowl last year - I would have thought it would and should have been a lot less cardinal and gold

Why does that surprise you? It was a BOWL game. An equal percentage is give to both schools. If one school didn't sell their allotment, they return them. Apart from that, the sponsors get a percentage of tickets. I can say there were almost zero, on the street tickets that didn't fit into the above two categories.

Iowa State sold out the tickets when they came the first time as well.

Why?

Of course it's a BOWL game, featuring the home team to boot.

I'm not sure what you're saying above refutes my original point. Each team was allotted 15K tickets.

That leaves close to 30K more seats available.

Was that what that crowd looked like?

Selling out your allotment of tickets before has no bearing on why they came in droves and took our seats.

They made it a destination trip. They came to escape Iowa winter and to enjoy Memphis. The game had a great crowd. Memphis had well over half the fans. But ISU bought a lot of tickets too. Really nothing to complain about.