(06-19-2018 11:22 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:46 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:13 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  There is coordination

CBP - Closes all legal points of entry for asylum seekers, forcing them to cross illegally
ICE - Arrests people for crossing illegally
ICE - Separate 4 year old children from their parents as a terror tactic
HHS - Lose children
AG - We can't be Nazis because Nazis let the Jews leave. As if the fact that there aren't currently actively killing kids makes the policy humane, productive, or even compliant with US or ICJ law.

Right wing media - Call human rights abuses "summer camps", and idiotically blame Democrats for this crisis.

Read the law Clinton passed and the 9th circuit upheld. Quit spitting out crap before you know the facts. Also, why do you always duck questions? Answer: all I know is racist Dem rhetoric so I am incapable of answering questions.


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Ok, just this ONCE, I'll feed your risible talking point.

1) The Immigration and Naturalization Act mandates that the US must accept and adjudicate (without prejudice) asylum seekers. CBP is blocking access to legal entry routes. This is Donald Trump. Not Bill Clinton

2) There is absolutely no reason or mandate to take away children who are crossing to apply for asylum. And there's no mandate to take kids away from parents for a misdemenor. This is Donald Trump. Not Bill Clinton

So you're OK with any POS that can crawl to the border claiming "asylum" as a way to circumvent the system? It's a SCAM, the sad thing is that people are either too stupid to realize it or worse are knowing accomplices.

You're right, there's no "mandate" to take kids away from parents for a misdemeanor, but the judge has the ability to sentence jail time. What do you think happens to the "kids" if that happens?

the weak minded are successfully being distracted from the coup hearings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCh4Dy_gzRw

There is still so much time between now and 2020 that there is not way you can claim anything. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that if the economy still stays hot, people will hold their nose and keep the mad tweeter in the Oval Office. That would include me too.

(06-19-2018 11:41 AM)shere khan Wrote:  the weak minded are successfully being distracted from the coup hearings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCh4Dy_gzRw

That is all this is. It seemed odd this came out (muh children!) this last week. Another dead end failure by the left.

(06-19-2018 10:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:14 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:09 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Is it just me or has it all of sudden become that EVERY person illegally crossing border is seeking asylum?

now they are just pimping their children across the border for asylum. the rest are just poor helpless parents that are left behind.

the russia thing is just not going well. the sad part is that there are enough dumb people in America to buy this ruse.

Here's what I got right, and likely BEFORE you heard it elsewhere

1) That Manafort, Flynn, Page, and Stone were compromised by Trump (May 2016) - Manfort is in jail, Flynn/Page/Stone are either on their way to convictions or already have been
2) That Russia was funding far right American political groups like the NRA and the religious right. This is confirmed by the NRA
3) That Russia established death camps for LGBT persons. This is confirmed
4) That Trump is lackey of Vladimir Putin. This is a matter of opinion, but a pretty well established one
5) That Assange is a lackey of Putin as well. See above.

Here's what's left to be revealed

1) The hundreds of millions (conservatively) that Russians have sent to Trump and his family. Remember in Russia, there are no independent actors in the financial sector. My guess is that Muller is going to leave some of these charges for the NY State Attorney General so that he can't pardon them

2) Pay to play agreements between Russia and Trump or his campaign on specific policy issues

3) Indictments of a significant number of US conservative think tank staff for illegal lobbying

4) Russian interference with American religious leaders on the far right

5) Russian assistance to the far LEFT. The Greens appear to be compromised as well

6) And that's BEFORE you get to all the ancillary crimes by the swamp that is DJT and his buddies that will be turned up in the course of this investigation (or one by the NY AG). Tax fraud, charity fraud, obstruction, housing fraud.....the list is almost endless.

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THe reason for the surge in immigration is that Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala's have slid into Civil War largely because the Gangs are more powerful than the state.

And Mexico's violence, while having many causes, is greatly aided by US demand for illegal narcotics(legalization of much of it would help) and US 'no question asked' gun sales.

damn.... those Russians are powerful people, they've compromised the GOP, the TEA party, the Green Party, members of congress, the religious right... wow.

do you actually believe any of this? seriously. do you really believe this or are you just trolling?

(06-19-2018 10:35 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:31 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

i guess its time to play hardball.

Thanks man. My new signature. +3 finders fee.

Exercise*

There are cracks appearing in trump's base as they do not like this one bit with the children. He wants to remove all these families who have legit rights to seek asylum. These people can't go back. They are targets for assassinations from the drug cartels and gangs. Sometimes the police and government officials from these countries are on the take with these cartels. None of these families are safe by being forced to go back.

(06-19-2018 11:22 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  2) There is absolutely no reason or mandate to take away children who are crossing to apply for asylum. And there's no mandate to take kids away from parents for a misdemenor. This is Donald Trump. Not Bill Clinton

I'll bite. Generally, if the parents are NOT seeking asylum they are re-united with their children, often the same day, and sent back across the border. The kids are separated for a brief time for the misdemenor while they parents are evaluated and processed. What's the problem?

If they are seeking asylum the process takes longer than the US Government is allowed to detain the minor children. So the choice is to let the whole family go, house the whole family, or detain the parents and move the children into state custody. Which would you prefer?

You're painting a picture that every child is grabbed never to be re-united, and that's a cartoon of reality.

(06-19-2018 12:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  There are cracks appearing in trump's base as they do not like this one bit with the children. He wants to remove all these families who have legit rights to seek asylum. These people can't go back. They are targets for assassinations from the drug cartels and gangs. Sometimes the police and government officials from these countries are on the take with these cartels. None of these families are safe by being forced to go back.

Please post your home address so that ICE may contact you to arrange housing and support for asylum seekers at your residence.

(06-19-2018 11:26 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:19 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:09 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Uproar?

Maybe among unhinged leftists and their sycophants in the media but I'll be willing to bet the farm that If you polled Trump supporters and Republicans in general, they'd be giving this a standing ovation.

No, Republican governors, senators, congressmen, and state representatives are coming out against it, too. The only people for it at this point are those on the fringe right.

Just curious how many of those politicians happen to be up for reelection this year? Trying to score a few votes among "independents" and moderate fence sitters?

Putting your elected position ahead of the best interest of the country.

BTW, it wouldn't be the first time politicians became bootlickers. Wouldn't be the first time they tried to convince us a shite sandwich was a steak despite the public's disapproval. Or doesn't Obamacare ring a bell?

Are you saying that elected politicians should only listen to constituents when they're up for re-election?

(06-19-2018 10:46 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:13 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  There is coordination

CBP - Closes all legal points of entry for asylum seekers, forcing them to cross illegally
ICE - Arrests people for crossing illegally
ICE - Separate 4 year old children from their parents as a terror tactic
HHS - Lose children
AG - We can't be Nazis because Nazis let the Jews leave. As if the fact that there aren't currently actively killing kids makes the policy humane, productive, or even compliant with US or ICJ law.

Right wing media - Call human rights abuses "summer camps", and idiotically blame Democrats for this crisis.

Read the law Clinton passed and the 9th circuit upheld. Quit spitting out crap before you know the facts. Also, why do you always duck questions? Answer: all I know is racist Dem rhetoric so I am incapable of answering questions.


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(06-19-2018 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:42 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Send them home or give them to Mexico. Mexico should be charged 40k for everyone who passes thru there. Also, where is all the foreign aid money going that we give these countries?


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How are you going to 'charge' Mexico?

Our foreign aid isn't enough to pay for all the damage the US does to those countries by OUR aiding of gangs in those countries as a result of US drug, repatriation, and gun policies.

wow. you should move to one of those countries and help those poor souls out. oh wait, your commitment to this particular cause du jour, and every other one since Trump was elected, doesn't extend to actually doing anything other than making a fool of yourself on a bbs. never mind.

(06-19-2018 11:13 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:35 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:14 AM)shere khan Wrote:  now they are just pimping their children across the border for asylum. the rest are just poor helpless parents that are left behind.

the russia thing is just not going well. the sad part is that there are enough dumb people in America to buy this ruse.

Here's what I got right, and likely BEFORE you heard it elsewhere

1) That Manafort, Flynn, Page, and Stone were compromised by Trump (May 2016) - Manfort is in jail, Flynn/Page/Stone are either on their way to convictions or already have been
2) That Russia was funding far right American political groups like the NRA and the religious right. This is confirmed by the NRA
3) That Russia established death camps for LGBT persons. This is confirmed
4) That Trump is lackey of Vladimir Putin. This is a matter of opinion, but a pretty well established one
5) That Assange is a lackey of Putin as well. See above.

Here's what's left to be revealed

1) The hundreds of millions (conservatively) that Russians have sent to Trump and his family. Remember in Russia, there are no independent actors in the financial sector. My guess is that Muller is going to leave some of these charges for the NY State Attorney General so that he can't pardon them

2) Pay to play agreements between Russia and Trump or his campaign on specific policy issues

3) Indictments of a significant number of US conservative think tank staff for illegal lobbying

4) Russian interference with American religious leaders on the far right

5) Russian assistance to the far LEFT. The Greens appear to be compromised as well

6) And that's BEFORE you get to all the ancillary crimes by the swamp that is DJT and his buddies that will be turned up in the course of this investigation (or one by the NY AG). Tax fraud, charity fraud, obstruction, housing fraud.....the list is almost endless.

you know what I got right..........wait for it..............................

#henceDJT

Yes, DJT pulled the electoral equivalent of hitting an inside straight flush on fifth street. And even that was barely enough to give him a gerrymandered 'victory'. The election resulted from large numbers of Democrats staying home or voting third party and high turnout by low income whites. Here's a hint. Watch not just for the seat changes but also the turnout by the various groups in the 2018 elections. That should give you an idea of how 2020 is going to shake out.

Basically Nate Silver got it right. There was a 1.5 percent chance of Trump winning. And that 1.5 percent just happened to hit.

So enjoy the next couple of months. Had Trump just governed like a non-racist human being, the GOP would be looking at the following in 2019.... A 30 seat GOP Congressional Majority (due to gerrymandering, but still) and close to 60 Senate votes, close to a Constitutional Amendment level of control on the state houses. Instead, you're probably going to lose the House, you (unlikely but possible) will lose the Senate, you're going to lose statehouses (and more importantly for you guys - and end to uniparty redisctricting controls in many states), and the GOP has lost, probably for a generation, the ability to communicate effectively with HUGE swaths of the American electorate. And what have you gotten in return, a budget busting tax cut that isn't resulting in rising wages, self dealing on an epic and historic scale, the complete removal of evangelical Christianity as a credible source of morality, and the collapse of our health care system (watch for that - and people aren't blaming Obama).

Meanwhile, the GOP is moving further to the right, which will make it increasingly more difficult as the electorate changes.

So if you wake up in January 2021 facing President Gillibrand, A 45-50 Seat Dem Majority in the House, 55 Dem US Senators, 34 Dem or (very liberal GOP) Governors, and over half the country that won't listen to you guys....understand that...congrats on your 1 in 75 shot gerrymandered win in 2016.

More predictions?

because every single other one he's made has been so spot on...

(06-19-2018 11:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 11:15 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 11:12 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:56 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Yes, DJT pulled the electoral equivalent of hitting an inside straight flush on fifth street. And even that was barely enough to give him a gerrymandered 'victory'. The election resulted from large numbers of Democrats staying home or voting third party and high turnout by low income whites. Here's a hint. Watch not just for the seat changes but also the turnout by the various groups in the 2018 elections. That should give you an idea of how 2020 is going to shake out.

Basically Nate Silver got it right. There was a 1.5 percent chance of Trump winning. And that 1.5 percent just happened to hit.

So enjoy the next couple of months. Had Trump just governed like a non-racist human being, the GOP would be looking at the following in 2019.... A 30 seat GOP Congressional Majority (due to gerrymandering, but still) and close to 60 Senate votes, close to a Constitutional Amendment level of control on the state houses. Instead, you're probably going to lose the House, you might (unlikely but possible) will lose the Senate, you're going to lose statehouses (and more importantly for you guys - and end to uniparty redisctricting controls in many states), and the GOP has lost, probably for a generation, the ability to communicate effectively with HUGE swaths of the American electorate. And what have you gotten in return, a budget busting tax cut that isn't resulting in rising wages, self dealing on an epic and historic scale, the complete removal of evangelical Christianity as a credible source of morality, and the collapse of our health care system (watch for that - and people aren't blaming Obama).

So if you wake up in January 2021 facing President Gillibrand, A 45-50 Seat Dem Majority in the House, 55 Dem US Senators, 34 Dem or (very liberal GOP) Governors, and over half the country that won't listen to you guys....understand that...congrats on your 1 in 75 shot gerrymandered win in 2016.

....and this all they really care about.

If that's the case, Trump is really helping bring this about. He's not popular, he was never popular, and he's infuriating the majority that didn't vote for him (or didn't vote at all). He doesn't have teflon, but rather teflon with 38% of the people who voted in the LAST election, and a large majority of Republican primary voters. Consistent majorities across all transparent polls consistently show a hard core majority of likely and registered voters implacably opposed to him.

Of course Democrats want a majority, just like Republicans do.

Basically, the ex-Bannon advisers of the President feel that that they can go full on racist against Latinos and pull in a few more poor uneducated anglo voters in the midwest while not losing anything that he already has. I think this isn't going to end well for them.

If that's all the D's have going into 2020 they will lose again. Did the D's learn nothing from 2016? All the race card nonsense, etc is, IMO, driving folks that were weary of voting from Trump last to to actually vote for him this times. All this MSM nonsense and continuous pseudo national outrage comes from folks that will never vote for Trump in the first place. The last election proved those folks are yelling to themselves. The D's need some actual policies, etc. The "We hate Trump" mantra failed last election and it will fail next election if that is all they can come up with.

We shall see. I've seen no evidence that Trump has gained any significant voters from 2016.

From general statewide elections in New Jersey and Virginia, it appears that while Trump has retained his support, that the Dems are able to motivate a lot more voters into coming out.

And in well voted special elections in Arizona, Florida and Pennsylvania, we've seen the same dynamic.

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You've latched your cart to an unpredictable bully that many support out of fear or tribalism. The problem with that is that if his power gets pierced, his support will collapse rather quickly.

I haven't "latched my cart" to anyone. I didn't vote for Trump last time and I have no idea if I'll vote for him next time. It depends on who else runs for the office. I'm just saying the D's actions since the election isn't doing them any favors. The D's need a coherent unified message based on things the middle class cares about. Identity politics will not work.

The resident leftist is like a doll with a string that when pulled starts talking, in his case spouting talking points. Not an original thought in anything he posts...

(06-19-2018 10:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:14 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:09 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Is it just me or has it all of sudden become that EVERY person illegally crossing border is seeking asylum?

now they are just pimping their children across the border for asylum. the rest are just poor helpless parents that are left behind.

the russia thing is just not going well. the sad part is that there are enough dumb people in America to buy this ruse.

Here's what I got right, and likely BEFORE you heard it elsewhere

1) That Manafort, Flynn, Page, and Stone were compromised by Trump (May 2016) - Manfort is in jail, Flynn/Page/Stone are either on their way to convictions or already have been
None of it to do with Trump

2) That Russia was funding far right American political groups like the NRA and the religious right. This is confirmed by the NRA
Russia funded Bernie and Hillary too. And the Clinton Foundation.
3) That Russia established death camps for LGBT persons. This is confirmed
Still not an ounce of confirmation. Only thing confirmed is that their government is not fond of gays.
4) That Trump is lackey of Vladimir Putin. This is a matter of opinion, but a pretty well established one
Trump is doing all sorts of stuff against Russia that Obama, Putin's lackey, wouldn't do.
5) That Assange is a lackey of Putin as well. See above.
Assange will work with him because it serves his purposes.

Here's what's left to be revealed

1) The hundreds of millions (conservatively) that Russians have sent to Trump and his family. Remember in Russia, there are no independent actors in the financial sector. My guess is that Muller is going to leave some of these charges for the NY State Attorney General so that he can't pardon them

2) Pay to play agreements between Russia and Trump or his campaign on specific policy issues

3) Indictments of a significant number of US conservative think tank staff for illegal lobbying

4) Russian interference with American religious leaders on the far right

5) Russian assistance to the far LEFT. The Greens appear to be compromised as well

6) And that's BEFORE you get to all the ancillary crimes by the swamp that is DJT and his buddies that will be turned up in the course of this investigation (or one by the NY AG). Tax fraud, charity fraud, obstruction, housing fraud.....the list is almost endless.

----

THe reason for the surge in immigration is that Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala's have slid into Civil War largely because the Gangs are more powerful than the state.

And Mexico's violence, while having many causes, is greatly aided by US demand for illegal narcotics(legalization of much of it would help) and US 'no question asked' gun sales.

So you get partial credit for #2 and #5. Nothing for #1, #3 and #4. 20%. That's an F.

(06-19-2018 12:15 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 11:26 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:19 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:09 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Uproar?

Maybe among unhinged leftists and their sycophants in the media but I'll be willing to bet the farm that If you polled Trump supporters and Republicans in general, they'd be giving this a standing ovation.

No, Republican governors, senators, congressmen, and state representatives are coming out against it, too. The only people for it at this point are those on the fringe right.

Just curious how many of those politicians happen to be up for reelection this year? Trying to score a few votes among "independents" and moderate fence sitters?

Putting your elected position ahead of the best interest of the country.

BTW, it wouldn't be the first time politicians became bootlickers. Wouldn't be the first time they tried to convince us a shite sandwich was a steak despite the public's disapproval. Or doesn't Obamacare ring a bell?

Are you saying that elected politicians should only listen to constituents when they're up for re-election?

If they actually LISTENED, there would already be a wall and no Obamacare.

It's political pandering pure & simple.

(06-19-2018 10:46 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:13 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  There is coordination

CBP - Closes all legal points of entry for asylum seekers, forcing them to cross illegally
ICE - Arrests people for crossing illegally
ICE - Separate 4 year old children from their parents as a terror tactic
HHS - Lose children
AG - We can't be Nazis because Nazis let the Jews leave. As if the fact that there aren't currently actively killing kids makes the policy humane, productive, or even compliant with US or ICJ law.

Right wing media - Call human rights abuses "summer camps", and idiotically blame Democrats for this crisis.

Read the law Clinton passed and the 9th circuit upheld. Quit spitting out crap before you know the facts. Also, why do you always duck questions? Answer: all I know is racist Dem rhetoric so I am incapable of answering questions.


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Obama invited all the unaccompanied minors with his policies.
Democratic judges ruled that children couldn't be kept in confinement with their parents.
Democrats fight efforts to protect our borders.
What's happening now is exactly the same thing that happened while Obama was president, except that it was worse, because there were more illegals trying to cross.

(06-19-2018 11:12 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:56 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:35 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here's what I got right, and likely BEFORE you heard it elsewhere

1) That Manafort, Flynn, Page, and Stone were compromised by Trump (May 2016) - Manfort is in jail, Flynn/Page/Stone are either on their way to convictions or already have been
2) That Russia was funding far right American political groups like the NRA and the religious right. This is confirmed by the NRA
3) That Russia established death camps for LGBT persons. This is confirmed
4) That Trump is lackey of Vladimir Putin. This is a matter of opinion, but a pretty well established one
5) That Assange is a lackey of Putin as well. See above.

Here's what's left to be revealed

1) The hundreds of millions (conservatively) that Russians have sent to Trump and his family. Remember in Russia, there are no independent actors in the financial sector. My guess is that Muller is going to leave some of these charges for the NY State Attorney General so that he can't pardon them

2) Pay to play agreements between Russia and Trump or his campaign on specific policy issues

3) Indictments of a significant number of US conservative think tank staff for illegal lobbying

4) Russian interference with American religious leaders on the far right

5) Russian assistance to the far LEFT. The Greens appear to be compromised as well

6) And that's BEFORE you get to all the ancillary crimes by the swamp that is DJT and his buddies that will be turned up in the course of this investigation (or one by the NY AG). Tax fraud, charity fraud, obstruction, housing fraud.....the list is almost endless.

you know what I got right..........wait for it..............................

#henceDJT

Yes, DJT pulled the electoral equivalent of hitting an inside straight flush on fifth street. And even that was barely enough to give him a gerrymandered 'victory'. The election resulted from large numbers of Democrats staying home or voting third party and high turnout by low income whites. Here's a hint. Watch not just for the seat changes but also the turnout by the various groups in the 2018 elections. That should give you an idea of how 2020 is going to shake out.

Basically Nate Silver got it right. There was a 1.5 percent chance of Trump winning. And that 1.5 percent just happened to hit.

So enjoy the next couple of months. Had Trump just governed like a non-racist human being, the GOP would be looking at the following in 2019.... A 30 seat GOP Congressional Majority (due to gerrymandering, but still) and close to 60 Senate votes, close to a Constitutional Amendment level of control on the state houses. Instead, you're probably going to lose the House, you might (unlikely but possible) will lose the Senate, you're going to lose statehouses (and more importantly for you guys - and end to uniparty redisctricting controls in many states), and the GOP has lost, probably for a generation, the ability to communicate effectively with HUGE swaths of the American electorate. And what have you gotten in return, a budget busting tax cut that isn't resulting in rising wages, self dealing on an epic and historic scale, the complete removal of evangelical Christianity as a credible source of morality, and the collapse of our health care system (watch for that - and people aren't blaming Obama).

So if you wake up in January 2021 facing President Gillibrand, A 45-50 Seat Dem Majority in the House, 55 Dem US Senators, 34 Dem or (very liberal GOP) Governors, and over half the country that won't listen to you guys....understand that...congrats on your 1 in 75 shot gerrymandered win in 2016.

....and this all they really care about.

If that's the case, Trump is really helping bring this about. He's not popular, he was never popular, and he's infuriating the majority that didn't vote for him (or didn't vote at all). He doesn't have teflon, but rather teflon with 45% of the people who voted for him in the LAST election, and a large majority of Republican primary voters. Consistent majorities across all transparent polls consistently show a hard core majority of likely and registered voters implacably opposed to him.

Of course Democrats want a majority, just like Republicans do.

Basically, the ex-Bannon advisers of the President feel that that they can go full on racist against Latinos and pull in a few more poor uneducated anglo voters in the midwest while not losing anything that he already has. I think this isn't going to end well for them

Lowest Hispanic unemployment in 20 years
Lowest Black unemployment ever

Sounds like we need more of Trump's form of "racism."

(06-19-2018 01:00 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 12:15 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 11:26 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:19 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:09 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Uproar?

Maybe among unhinged leftists and their sycophants in the media but I'll be willing to bet the farm that If you polled Trump supporters and Republicans in general, they'd be giving this a standing ovation.

No, Republican governors, senators, congressmen, and state representatives are coming out against it, too. The only people for it at this point are those on the fringe right.

Just curious how many of those politicians happen to be up for reelection this year? Trying to score a few votes among "independents" and moderate fence sitters?

Putting your elected position ahead of the best interest of the country.

BTW, it wouldn't be the first time politicians became bootlickers. Wouldn't be the first time they tried to convince us a shite sandwich was a steak despite the public's disapproval. Or doesn't Obamacare ring a bell?

Are you saying that elected politicians should only listen to constituents when they're up for re-election?

If they actually LISTENED, there would already be a wall and no Obamacare.

It's political pandering pure & simple.

I've never seen a poll that says a majority of Americans support a wall. Since Trump took office, Obamacare has had a majority favorable rating.