(07-06-2018 05:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 01:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  According to this story, trump likely had nothing to do with this soldiers return.

Quote:An agreement was made and in September and October 1954, in what was known as Operation Glory, remains were returned. However, Hall's remains were not included and he was declared non-recoverable.

In April and May 2005, a Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command (predecessor to DPAA) and Korean People's Army (KPA) recovery team conducted the 37th Joint Field Activity in Unsan County, North Pyongan Province, North Korea.

Remains were found in what was believed to have been a secondary burial site, and were sent to the Central Identification Laboratory in Honolulu, Hawaii for analysis.

To identify Hall's remains, scientists from DPAA and the Armed Forces Medical Examiner System used mitochondrial (mtDNA) and autosomal (auSTR) DNA analysis as well as anthropological analysis and circumstantial evidence.

For more information, visit the Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency here.

Remains of Korean War veteran arrive in Houston

So, sounds like the remains were recovered years ago and where in Hawaii and were just recently identified as those of Sgt. Hall.

While I understand your joy at discovering that this had nothing to do with trump, it actually undermines your position. If we've had these remains since 2005 and are only now able to confirm the identity (something N. Korea would have never remotely attempted to do)... this only demonstrates that even if we HAD the remains (I don't know if we do, and neither do you) it could be many years before we can identify them and notify their families. As you might imagine, there are far more than 200 missing soldiers and their families.

If trump were out parading these remains around, you would likely correctly be chastising him.

We may have gotten nothing out of this visit, but we also gave up nothing...

You can't talk about what a big deal it is to give Un a photo op and then deny the 'bad look' it would give if he reneged on returning the remains of dead soldiers.

Spot-on. RWT called Trump's comments a lie. I asked how he knew Trump was lying but he never responded. In fact, he doesn't know. Neither do I, but what I do know is that Trump said some remains had been returned. Until Trump admits he lied, or was in error when he made the comment, all we can do is wait. But don't let that stop the left from using the anguish and suffering of military families to bludgeon the President.

(07-06-2018 05:50 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 05:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 01:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  According to this story, trump likely had nothing to do with this soldiers return.

Quote:An agreement was made and in September and October 1954, in what was known as Operation Glory, remains were returned. However, Hall's remains were not included and he was declared non-recoverable.

In April and May 2005, a Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command (predecessor to DPAA) and Korean People's Army (KPA) recovery team conducted the 37th Joint Field Activity in Unsan County, North Pyongan Province, North Korea.

Remains were found in what was believed to have been a secondary burial site, and were sent to the Central Identification Laboratory in Honolulu, Hawaii for analysis.

To identify Hall's remains, scientists from DPAA and the Armed Forces Medical Examiner System used mitochondrial (mtDNA) and autosomal (auSTR) DNA analysis as well as anthropological analysis and circumstantial evidence.

For more information, visit the Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency here.

Remains of Korean War veteran arrive in Houston

So, sounds like the remains were recovered years ago and where in Hawaii and were just recently identified as those of Sgt. Hall.

While I understand your joy at discovering that this had nothing to do with trump, it actually undermines your position. If we've had these remains since 2005 and are only now able to confirm the identity (something N. Korea would have never remotely attempted to do)... this only demonstrates that even if we HAD the remains (I don't know if we do, and neither do you) it could be many years before we can identify them and notify their families. As you might imagine, there are far more than 200 missing soldiers and their families.

If trump were out parading these remains around, you would likely correctly be chastising him.

We may have gotten nothing out of this visit, but we also gave up nothing...

You can't talk about what a big deal it is to give Un a photo op and then deny the 'bad look' it would give if he reneged on returning the remains of dead soldiers.

Spot-on. RWT called Trump's comments a lie. I asked how he knew Trump was lying but he never responded. In fact, he doesn't know. Neither do I, but what I do know is that Trump said some remains had been returned. Until Trump admits he lied, or was in error when he made the comment, all we can do is wait. But don't let that stop the left from using the anguish and suffering of military families to bludgeon the President.

Trump admits he lied? Did you type that with a straight face again.

(07-06-2018 06:48 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 05:50 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 05:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 01:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  According to this story, trump likely had nothing to do with this soldiers return.

Quote:An agreement was made and in September and October 1954, in what was known as Operation Glory, remains were returned. However, Hall's remains were not included and he was declared non-recoverable.

In April and May 2005, a Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command (predecessor to DPAA) and Korean People's Army (KPA) recovery team conducted the 37th Joint Field Activity in Unsan County, North Pyongan Province, North Korea.

Remains were found in what was believed to have been a secondary burial site, and were sent to the Central Identification Laboratory in Honolulu, Hawaii for analysis.

To identify Hall's remains, scientists from DPAA and the Armed Forces Medical Examiner System used mitochondrial (mtDNA) and autosomal (auSTR) DNA analysis as well as anthropological analysis and circumstantial evidence.

For more information, visit the Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency here.

Remains of Korean War veteran arrive in Houston

So, sounds like the remains were recovered years ago and where in Hawaii and were just recently identified as those of Sgt. Hall.

While I understand your joy at discovering that this had nothing to do with trump, it actually undermines your position. If we've had these remains since 2005 and are only now able to confirm the identity (something N. Korea would have never remotely attempted to do)... this only demonstrates that even if we HAD the remains (I don't know if we do, and neither do you) it could be many years before we can identify them and notify their families. As you might imagine, there are far more than 200 missing soldiers and their families.

If trump were out parading these remains around, you would likely correctly be chastising him.

We may have gotten nothing out of this visit, but we also gave up nothing...

You can't talk about what a big deal it is to give Un a photo op and then deny the 'bad look' it would give if he reneged on returning the remains of dead soldiers.

Spot-on. RWT called Trump's comments a lie. I asked how he knew Trump was lying but he never responded. In fact, he doesn't know. Neither do I, but what I do know is that Trump said some remains had been returned. Until Trump admits he lied, or was in error when he made the comment, all we can do is wait. But don't let that stop the left from using the anguish and suffering of military families to bludgeon the President.

Trump admits he lied? Did you type that with a straight face again.

Yeah, ya got me. Almost as believeable as when you guys say you'll give him credit when he does something that warrants it.

(07-06-2018 05:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 01:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  According to this story, trump likely had nothing to do with this soldiers return.

Quote:An agreement was made and in September and October 1954, in what was known as Operation Glory, remains were returned. However, Hall's remains were not included and he was declared non-recoverable.

In April and May 2005, a Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command (predecessor to DPAA) and Korean People's Army (KPA) recovery team conducted the 37th Joint Field Activity in Unsan County, North Pyongan Province, North Korea.

Remains were found in what was believed to have been a secondary burial site, and were sent to the Central Identification Laboratory in Honolulu, Hawaii for analysis.

To identify Hall's remains, scientists from DPAA and the Armed Forces Medical Examiner System used mitochondrial (mtDNA) and autosomal (auSTR) DNA analysis as well as anthropological analysis and circumstantial evidence.

For more information, visit the Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency here.

Remains of Korean War veteran arrive in Houston

So, sounds like the remains were recovered years ago and where in Hawaii and were just recently identified as those of Sgt. Hall.

While I understand your joy at discovering that this had nothing to do with trump, it actually undermines your position. If we've had these remains since 2005 and are only now able to confirm the identity (something N. Korea would have never remotely attempted to do)... this only demonstrates that even if we HAD the remains (I don't know if we do, and neither do you) it could be many years before we can identify them and notify their families. As you might imagine, there are far more than 200 missing soldiers and their families.

If trump were out parading these remains around, you would likely correctly be chastising him.

We may have gotten nothing out of this visit, but we also gave up nothing...

You can't talk about what a big deal it is to give Un a photo op and then deny the 'bad look' it would give if he reneged on returning the remains of dead soldiers.

My joy is for this family finally getting some closure. May I suggest you stop trying to read my mind? You're not very good at it. Thanks.

(07-09-2018 09:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  My joy is for this family finally getting some closure. May I suggest you stop trying to read my mind? You're not very good at it. Thanks.

I'm not reading your mind. I'm reading your posts.

I don't see your joy for this family, or any of the other 200 evident in any of your posts in this thread or any other on the subject.... but I'll be happy to stand corrected. Feel free to direct me to those posts. I have demonstrated why I've come to my opinion.... it's on display right here.

You're obviously too busy wondering about Trump's part in these remains, or asking for proof that the others were in our custody somewhere to express your joy for the families.

(07-09-2018 12:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 09:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  My joy is for this family finally getting some closure. May I suggest you stop trying to read my mind? You're not very good at it. Thanks.

I'm not reading your mind. I'm reading your posts.

I don't see your joy for this family, or any of the other 200 evident in any of your posts in this thread or any other on the subject.... but I'll be happy to stand corrected. Feel free to direct me to those posts. I have demonstrated why I've come to my opinion.... it's on display right here.

You're obviously too busy wondering about Trump's part in these remains, or asking for proof that the others were in our custody somewhere to express your joy for the families.

No, wrong again. Owl made the claim that trump got one body back so I checked into...and he didn't.

Just because I didn't post before my post today that I was joyous for that family doesn't mean that I wasn't. Hell, I've yet to see you say you're happy for them, so clearly, you're not? No, that makes no sense.

And as has been previously posted, none of these 200 are back yet according to Pompeo, and there's no other evidence they are being returned any time soon that I've seen. When they are, I'll gladly give trump any credit he deserves. If you think I'm being dishonest about that, then the issue is yours not mine. If you can't trust my word, just put me on ignore and stop talking to me. I don't have to justify myself or my integrity you. My posting history here should suffice. I've always been a man of my word and owned up to my mistakes. That's way more than I can say about many posters on here.

(07-09-2018 12:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No, wrong again. Owl made the claim that trump got one body back so I checked into...and he didn't.

Which Owl are you alleging made that claim? Because this one did not.

Quote:Just because I didn't post before my post today that I was joyous for that family doesn't mean that I wasn't. Hell, I've yet to see you say you're happy for them, so clearly, you're not? No, that makes no sense.
And as has been previously posted, none of these 200 are back yet according to Pompeo, and there's no other evidence they are being returned any time soon that I've seen. When they are, I'll gladly give trump any credit he deserves. If you think I'm being dishonest about that, then the issue is yours not mine. If you can't trust my word, just put me on ignore and stop talking to me. I don't have to justify myself or my integrity you. My posting history here should suffice. I've always been a man of my word and owned up to my mistakes. That's way more than I can say about many posters on here.

Let's measure the extent of your joy. Let's assume there are two alternatives (hypothetically, but these may well prove to be the actual events):

1) We get all the remains back and Trump gets re-elected
2) We get none back and Trump gets impeached and removed

Which would you prefer?

(07-09-2018 01:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 12:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No, wrong again. Owl made the claim that trump got one body back so I checked into...and he didn't.

Which Owl are you alleging made that claim? Because this one did not.

Quote:Just because I didn't post before my post today that I was joyous for that family doesn't mean that I wasn't. Hell, I've yet to see you say you're happy for them, so clearly, you're not? No, that makes no sense.
And as has been previously posted, none of these 200 are back yet according to Pompeo, and there's no other evidence they are being returned any time soon that I've seen. When they are, I'll gladly give trump any credit he deserves. If you think I'm being dishonest about that, then the issue is yours not mine. If you can't trust my word, just put me on ignore and stop talking to me. I don't have to justify myself or my integrity you. My posting history here should suffice. I've always been a man of my word and owned up to my mistakes. That's way more than I can say about many posters on here.

Let's measure the extent of your joy. Let's assume there are two alternatives (hypothetically, but these may well prove to be the actual events):

1) We get all the remains back and Trump gets re-elected
2) We get none back and Trump gets impeached and removed

Which would you prefer?

While getting ALL the remains back will likely never be possible, I've made it quite clear that I don't want trump impeached or removed from office other than by election of someone else.

My preference is for him to just resign.

And as to your claim, you replied in a thread about trump securing the remains of 200 U.S. war dead with the following:

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:At least one has been returned.

So naturally I assumed you were stating that one of the 200 in trumps claim had been returned, and clearly the one you cited was not part of that (yet to be seen) 200. Apologies for the incorrect? assumption.

(07-09-2018 12:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 12:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 09:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  My joy is for this family finally getting some closure. May I suggest you stop trying to read my mind? You're not very good at it. Thanks.

I'm not reading your mind. I'm reading your posts.

I don't see your joy for this family, or any of the other 200 evident in any of your posts in this thread or any other on the subject.... but I'll be happy to stand corrected. Feel free to direct me to those posts. I have demonstrated why I've come to my opinion.... it's on display right here.

You're obviously too busy wondering about Trump's part in these remains, or asking for proof that the others were in our custody somewhere to express your joy for the families.

No, wrong again. Owl made the claim that trump got one body back so I checked into...and he didn't.

Just because I didn't post before my post today that I was joyous for that family doesn't mean that I wasn't. Hell, I've yet to see you say you're happy for them, so clearly, you're not? No, that makes no sense.

And as has been previously posted, none of these 200 are back yet according to Pompeo, and there's no other evidence they are being returned any time soon that I've seen. When they are, I'll gladly give trump any credit he deserves. If you think I'm being dishonest about that, then the issue is yours not mine. If you can't trust my word, just put me on ignore and stop talking to me. I don't have to justify myself or my integrity you. My posting history here should suffice. I've always been a man of my word and owned up to my mistakes. That's way more than I can say about many posters on here.

I'm literally laughing out loud at your crap.

Yes, your posting history here DOES suffice. There is PLENTY of evidence that you accept out of hand evidence that supports your preconceptions/beliefs/hopes and completely disregard those that counter them. See the comments about Pompeo's comment vs Trump. Pompeo's comment you see as evidence that it hasn't happened 'because he said so'. Trump's comment you have described as 'no evidence' even though he similarly 'said so'.

You obviously EXPECT people to read your minds which is why you accuse me of it.

I read your posts.... and obviously I'm not the only one. You're clearly more concerned about Trump's role in the return (for which you've directed a dozen posts) of family remains than in the closure for these families (for which you gave 4 words)

Here's what I believe... Trump has a history of speaking in 'finality' about things that are still being worked out. This is in business known as the 'presumed close'... which in many situations (especially those that are of public interest) put pressure on the other side to finish the deal. He's already done it once with Un (and it worked)... and Un has a long history of reneging on deals. Pretty obviously, what we've done in the past hasn't worked... but this (at least in terms of 'coming to the table in the first place') has. That's what I think Trump has done here. If it works (as others have said and you've ignored) then it will be worth it... until it doesn't, I'm going to remain reservedly optimistic.


Serious question... If Trump came back and bad-mouthed UN or acted like he wouldn't trust him or that he'll believe it when he sees it (like the left is doing here), do you think Un would be likely to follow through or not?

Serious question, and NONE of you want to touch it.

Red, "WALK AWAY, WALK AWAY, YOU STILL HAVE TIME".

(07-09-2018 01:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Trump's comment you have described as 'no evidence' even though he similarly 'said so'.

Actually, he described Trump's comment as a lie.

(07-09-2018 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 01:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 12:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No, wrong again. Owl made the claim that trump got one body back so I checked into...and he didn't.

Which Owl are you alleging made that claim? Because this one did not.

Quote:Just because I didn't post before my post today that I was joyous for that family doesn't mean that I wasn't. Hell, I've yet to see you say you're happy for them, so clearly, you're not? No, that makes no sense.
And as has been previously posted, none of these 200 are back yet according to Pompeo, and there's no other evidence they are being returned any time soon that I've seen. When they are, I'll gladly give trump any credit he deserves. If you think I'm being dishonest about that, then the issue is yours not mine. If you can't trust my word, just put me on ignore and stop talking to me. I don't have to justify myself or my integrity you. My posting history here should suffice. I've always been a man of my word and owned up to my mistakes. That's way more than I can say about many posters on here.

Let's measure the extent of your joy. Let's assume there are two alternatives (hypothetically, but these may well prove to be the actual events):
1) We get all the remains back and Trump gets re-elected
2) We get none back and Trump gets impeached and removed
Which would you prefer?

While getting ALL the remains back will likely never be possible, I've made it quite clear that I don't want trump impeached or removed from office other than by election of someone else.
My preference is for him to just resign.

OK, nice dodge. Very clever. So make alternative two read "We get none back and Trump resigns or is defeated." Now which do you prefer?

Quote:And as to your claim, you replied in a thread about trump securing the remains of 200 U.S. war dead with the following:

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:At least one has been returned.

So naturally I assumed you were stating that one of the 200 in trumps claim had been returned, and clearly the one you cited was not part of that (yet to be seen) 200. Apologies for the incorrect? assumption.

So where did I say Trump was responsible? Because you didn't say, "Owl said at least one has been returned, and I assumed that he meant that Trump had done it." You said, "Owl made the claim that trump got one body back." So where did Owl make that claim?

(07-09-2018 01:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 01:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 12:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No, wrong again. Owl made the claim that trump got one body back so I checked into...and he didn't.

Which Owl are you alleging made that claim? Because this one did not.

Quote:Just because I didn't post before my post today that I was joyous for that family doesn't mean that I wasn't. Hell, I've yet to see you say you're happy for them, so clearly, you're not? No, that makes no sense.
And as has been previously posted, none of these 200 are back yet according to Pompeo, and there's no other evidence they are being returned any time soon that I've seen. When they are, I'll gladly give trump any credit he deserves. If you think I'm being dishonest about that, then the issue is yours not mine. If you can't trust my word, just put me on ignore and stop talking to me. I don't have to justify myself or my integrity you. My posting history here should suffice. I've always been a man of my word and owned up to my mistakes. That's way more than I can say about many posters on here.

Let's measure the extent of your joy. Let's assume there are two alternatives (hypothetically, but these may well prove to be the actual events):
1) We get all the remains back and Trump gets re-elected
2) We get none back and Trump gets impeached and removed
Which would you prefer?

While getting ALL the remains back will likely never be possible, I've made it quite clear that I don't want trump impeached or removed from office other than by election of someone else.
My preference is for him to just resign.

OK, nice dodge. Very clever. So make alternative two read "We get none back and Trump resigns or is defeated." Now which do you prefer?

Quote:And as to your claim, you replied in a thread about trump securing the remains of 200 U.S. war dead with the following:

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:At least one has been returned.

So naturally I assumed you were stating that one of the 200 in trumps claim had been returned, and clearly the one you cited was not part of that (yet to be seen) 200. Apologies for the incorrect? assumption.

So where did I say Trump was responsible? Because you didn't say, "Owl said at least one has been returned, and I assumed that he meant that Trump had done it." You said, "Owl made the claim that trump got one body back." So where did Owl make that claim?

I already told you I assumed...and I also said "apologies".

(07-09-2018 03:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 01:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 01:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 12:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No, wrong again. Owl made the claim that trump got one body back so I checked into...and he didn't.

Which Owl are you alleging made that claim? Because this one did not.

Quote:Just because I didn't post before my post today that I was joyous for that family doesn't mean that I wasn't. Hell, I've yet to see you say you're happy for them, so clearly, you're not? No, that makes no sense.
And as has been previously posted, none of these 200 are back yet according to Pompeo, and there's no other evidence they are being returned any time soon that I've seen. When they are, I'll gladly give trump any credit he deserves. If you think I'm being dishonest about that, then the issue is yours not mine. If you can't trust my word, just put me on ignore and stop talking to me. I don't have to justify myself or my integrity you. My posting history here should suffice. I've always been a man of my word and owned up to my mistakes. That's way more than I can say about many posters on here.

Let's measure the extent of your joy. Let's assume there are two alternatives (hypothetically, but these may well prove to be the actual events):
1) We get all the remains back and Trump gets re-elected
2) We get none back and Trump gets impeached and removed
Which would you prefer?

While getting ALL the remains back will likely never be possible, I've made it quite clear that I don't want trump impeached or removed from office other than by election of someone else.
My preference is for him to just resign.

OK, nice dodge. Very clever. So make alternative two read "We get none back and Trump resigns or is defeated." Now which do you prefer?

Quote:And as to your claim, you replied in a thread about trump securing the remains of 200 U.S. war dead with the following:

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:At least one has been returned.

So naturally I assumed you were stating that one of the 200 in trumps claim had been returned, and clearly the one you cited was not part of that (yet to be seen) 200. Apologies for the incorrect? assumption.

So where did I say Trump was responsible? Because you didn't say, "Owl said at least one has been returned, and I assumed that he meant that Trump had done it." You said, "Owl made the claim that trump got one body back." So where did Owl make that claim?

I already told you I assumed...and I also said "apologies".

Fine, now answer my question. I'm guessing your answer is, "Recession, nuclear war, not getting the remains back, whatever it takes to get rid of Trump, I'm fine with that." But probably ill-advised to admit that. If I'm wrong, then tell me and I will accept it and admit my mistake here and apologize.

I'm not going to answer a complex question demanding only two answers when I don't think either one is logical or represents my position.

You wouldn't either.

Besides, whether trump remains president or not, or completes this term and or a second one, has no bearing whatsoever on the return of the remains of our war dead from the Korean War, and vice versa. The main purpose of the NK meeting, so we were told, was denuclearization.

(07-10-2018 08:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm not going to answer a complex question demanding only two answers when I don't think either one is logical or represents my position.

You wouldn't either.

Besides, whether trump remains president or not, or completes this term and or a second one, has no bearing whatsoever on the return of the remains of our war dead from the Korean War, and vice versa. The main purpose of the NK meeting, so we were told, was denuclearization.

Why would you not answer a question that does not fit your "position"? Just curious as, IMO, that's one of the main things leading to today's political divisions. That being folks unwillingness to go against preconceived beliefs, etc. This isn't directed at this particular topic, just in general......

(07-10-2018 08:32 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm not going to answer a complex question demanding only two answers when I don't think either one is logical or represents my position.

You wouldn't either.

Besides, whether trump remains president or not, or completes this term and or a second one, has no bearing whatsoever on the return of the remains of our war dead from the Korean War, and vice versa. The main purpose of the NK meeting, so we were told, was denuclearization.

Why would you not answer a question that does not fit your "position"? Just curious as, IMO, that's one of the main things leading to today's political divisions. That being folks unwillingness to go against preconceived beliefs, etc. This isn't directed at this particular topic, just in general......

Because he wants me to pick only one of his two answers when I already explained my position clearly. And as I said, he's tying trumps presidency into the return of remains when I think that's a pretty trivial part of it when you get down to it, not that I think the returning of remains is trivial of course.

-I want the dead back...as many as we can get as getting all is not practical. Owl asked for all in one question of the questions, which will never happen IMHO.
-I don't want trump impeached.
-I don't want trump re-elected.
-If Mueller has the goods on him, I want him to just resign.

If those don't answer his questions, I can't help him any further.

(07-10-2018 08:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm not going to answer a complex question demanding only two answers when I don't think either one is logical or represents my position.
You wouldn't either.
Besides, whether trump remains president or not, or completes this term and or a second one, has no bearing whatsoever on the return of the remains of our war dead from the Korean War, and vice versa. The main purpose of the NK meeting, so we were told, was denuclearization.

I interpret this to mean that we all know your answer but you don't want to admit it so you are weaseling out. The anti-Trump crowd have made it pretty clear that they would be willing to accept any disaster--depression, nuclear war--in order to get rid of Trump. Bill Maher as said as much. Your posts on here would indicate that you are firmly in that group. If you're not, then I apologize. But I don't believe that you're not.

(07-10-2018 09:02 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm not going to answer a complex question demanding only two answers when I don't think either one is logical or represents my position.
You wouldn't either.
Besides, whether trump remains president or not, or completes this term and or a second one, has no bearing whatsoever on the return of the remains of our war dead from the Korean War, and vice versa. The main purpose of the NK meeting, so we were told, was denuclearization.

I interpret this to mean that we all know your answer but you don't want to admit it so you are weaseling out. The anti-Trump crowd have made it pretty clear that they would be willing to accept any disaster--depression, nuclear war--in order to get rid of Trump. Bill Maher as said as much. Your posts on here would indicate that you are firmly in that group. If you're not, then I apologize. But I don't believe that you're not.

Even if that were true, it's not, the return of are long lost war dead from Korea has zip and pip to do with it. I don't understand why you're trying to tie the two together other than a purposeful trap.

And if you listened to all of what Bill Maher said, and how he explained it even further the next week, you'd know your take is nonsense.

On the other hand, to me, no amount of economic success is worth giving up your standing and integrity for. That's my main issue with trump. He's a cancer to American decency and a disgrace to our country in the way he comports himself.

(07-10-2018 09:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And if you listened to all of what Bill Maher said, and how he explained it even further the next week, you'd know your take is nonsense.

On the other hand, to me, no amount of economic success is worth giving up your standing and integrity for. That's my main issue with trump. He's a cancer to American decency and a disgrace to our country in the way he comports himself.

Your take is actually nonsense IMHO.

The way Trump comports himself is all Trump.

Allies don't suddenly question America's decency or integrity because of Trump. What they're trying to do is figure out how to deal with his policies, and frustrated that they're being forced to so, nothing more. They had it relatively easy since WWII.

As the saying goes, countries have interests, not friends.

My personal view is that American economic success is envied by much of the rest of the world and our country, via trade policies that often helped others at our expense has changed little regardless of what letter, D or R, held the White House. That's changing for now, they know it, and they don't like it.

After Trump finishes his second term though, they can go back to loving America again, sucking its economic tits for all they're worth, and you can once again enjoy basking in the warm afterglow of having been screwed by our allies.