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RE: Best Plausible ACC Expansion
Functionally, ESPN could put together the conferences looking something like this division wise:

Plains Division: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri
Texas Division: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Texas A&M, TCU,

Delta Division: Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, Alabama
Gulf Division: Auburn, Florida State, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida

South Atlantic Division: Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Clemson, South Carolina, Miami
Mid-South Division: North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia

Northeast Division: Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Syracuse
Midwest Division: Iowa State, Notre Dame, Louisville, Kentucky, Cincinnati


Minimal divisions grouped by tight geography allows you to arbitrarily control how heavily you mix over in scheduling. I've paired them where obvious crossovers are apparent, including in the nearest cross pairing.
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(06-30-2018 12:02 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Functionally, ESPN could put together the conferences looking something like this division wise:

Plains Division: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri
Texas Division: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Texas A&M, TCU,

Delta Division: Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, Alabama
Gulf Division: Auburn, Florida State, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida

South Atlantic Division: Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Clemson, South Carolina, Miami
Mid-South Division: North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia

Northeast Division: Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Syracuse
Midwest Division: Iowa State, Notre Dame, Louisville, Kentucky, Cincinnati


Minimal divisions grouped by tight geography allows you to arbitrarily control how heavily you mix over in scheduling. I've paired them where obvious crossovers are apparent, including in the nearest cross pairing.

You would need a league office with the elimination of the two conference offices. Keep the most central site (probably still Birmingham or move it to Nashville) sell the other sites for commercial value. Have 1 commissioner. Utilize Charlotte, Dallas, and Bristol studios and devote 1 channel to each two divisions. The SEC has two channels dedicated and one overflow. Use all of those channel numbers to present 4 sets of games across 3 time slots each week for the bundling of the divisional network channels. Charge the 1.35 the SECN gets today for all of it. Play 10 conference games and 2 OOC games for a total of 12 P games. No G5 and no FCS games. Play our 4 divisional games and rotate 3 games against the closest other 3 divisions. Play 3 permanent rivals.

Have one office for training and standardization of officials. And negotiate our contracts as one unit. And have 1 standard for stipends and requirements for venues and student athlete's living accommodations.

But here's what I would suggest with regard to your divisional set up. The divisions are fine. But require all schools to have no subsidies and to fund sports fully regardless of whether they are private or not. A core of standard sports that they must play should be set as well. If some can't handle that and drop out, then the league can either add other schools, or drop down to say 36 overall schools instead of 40.

I don't think that Cincinnati, or 3 other schools could make it without subsidies and with a required number of sports.

I had in mind these for the core sports, and keep in mind I'm blending the sports cultures of the three regions:

Men's sports:
Football
Basketball
Baseball
Lacrosse
Soccer
Wrestling
Track & Field (Indoor and Outdoor)
Swimming & Diving
Tennis
Golf

Women's sports:
Basketball
Softball
Lacrosse
Soccer
Volleyball
Track & Field (Indoor and Outdoor)
Swimming and Diving
Tennis
Golf
1 Other to be determined at the formation of the League (maybe an Olympic sport).

With the leverage the League would have in selling sports rights, and with the added sports representing a unifying force for the league, the content value of the League would be extensive. Of course schools can supply their niche sports (shooting, bowling, equestrian, etc.) on their own.

If some privates can't afford football then they may join in all sports but. I could see Vanderbilt, Wake, Duke, and perhaps another opting for this. That way basketball rivals and baseball teams stay in business and the content value for football goes up.

We could easily wind up with 36 football playing members and 40 members total for all other sports.

Anyway some kind of concept like this would work with a little standardization for play and officials and by streamlining the overhead of management and making use of existing channels. The internal playoff for the championship could involve 8 divisional champs being seeded and playing it down. The champ would face the surviving challenger of the other conferences or league.
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RE: Best Plausible ACC Expansion
Here's a model where the B1G added Kansas Oklahoma Texas ND VT and Duke and planned on adding Clemson, GT, FSU and Miami but the SEC decided to expand to keep the B1G out of their territory along with UVA and UNC. Then the remaining 6 ACC teams and remaining 7 B12 teams merge and add Cincy, UConn and Temple. Creating a Big East division and a Big 12 division.

B1G
-----
East
-----
Duke
Indiana
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers
Virginia Tech


West
-----
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Oklahoma
Purdue
Texas
Wisconsin



SEC
-----
East
-----
Clemson
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
South Carolina
Tennessee
Virginia


West
-----
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Kentucky
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Missouri
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt


ACC
-----
North
-----
Boston College
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Temple
West Virginia

South
-----
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas State
North Carolina State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Wake Forest


Pac 12 - same
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(06-30-2018 04:27 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  .......

ACC
-----
North
-----
Boston College
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Temple
West Virginia

South
-----
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas State
North Carolina State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Wake Forest


Pac 12 - same

The other option for the ACC is that NCST and Wake don't want to be stuck in the Big 12 division, so they only add 1 More school.

ACC
-----
North
-----
Boston College
Louisville
North Carolina State
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Wake Forest
West Virginia

South
-----
Baylor
BYU
Iowa State
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
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05-stirthepot Never happen. 07-coffee3
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(06-29-2018 09:01 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(06-29-2018 10:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Most ACC expansion ideas begin with words like "add Notre Dame for football" or "add Texas as a partial" or "get Maryland and South Carolina back" -- all things which are unlikely now and may never happen!

So, just as a change of pace, I thought "what if we tried to stay grounded in reality"? (I know, right!)

Here, then, is my proposal.
* Notre Dame (non-football)/Navy (football-only; split one share between them)
* West Virginia (full member)

16 teams for football; 16 teams for all other sports as well.

[Image: ACC16%2528Navy%252BWVU%2529sm.png]

That only leaves the question of divisions, for which I present 2 possibilities:

1) slot Navy in the Atlantic, WVU in the Coastal
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2018/...-plan.html

2) redo divisions, with both Navy and WVU in a new "East" division
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2018/...et-16.html

Atlantic / Eastern
Clemson / West Virginia
Georgia Tech / Pitt
Florida State / Miami
Virginia / Virginia Tech
Duke / Syracuse
NC State / Boston College
N Carolina / Louisville
Wake Forest / Navy

That gives us WVU/Pitt, WVU/VT, WVU/Cuse, WVU/BC, WVU/Louisville and WVU/Miami. It also gives us Navy/Wake (or Duke), FSU/GT, NC State/Duke, UNC/Wake, Louisville/VT, Louisville/Pitt and BC/Pitt. The only worthwhile games you'd lose are Louisville vs. Clemson and FSU - but those are replaced by Miami and VT, and augmented by Louisville/WVU.

Sure, Navy is less valuable, but (a) you'd only pay them the other half of Notre Dame's share, and (b) in return, you'd get rights a 6th game with Notre Dame - namely, the Navy game every year. The ACC would also get Navy/Air Force and, potentially, Army/Navy.

The most profitable expansion w/o adding a Texas division, IMO. Thoughts?

I like this! 04-cheers

I like it too, but......
It's just not going to happen.
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Louisville has West Virginia's spot, so expansion is unlikely.

What should happen is trading BC and Pitt.

BC---Syracuse
VT---Pitt
UVa--Louisville
UNC---NCSU
Duke--WF
GT---Clem
Miami--FSU

BC-Miami and Pitt-Syracuse can be moved to Thanksgiving weekend. The main reason BC cited moving to the ACC was to be with Miami, after all.

I was long a proponent of trading VT for Syracuse, but while placing VaTech in a division that makes more sense historically and improving the strength of schedule for FSU and Clemson, it causes cross-division games to be played in rivalry week.

Syracuse and Pitt should also revert to their uniforms of the mid-90's. 04-wine
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(07-01-2018 08:45 AM)esayem Wrote:  Louisville has West Virginia's spot, so expansion is unlikely.

What should happen is trading BC and Pitt.

BC---Syracuse
VT---Pitt
UVa--Louisville
UNC---NCSU
Duke--WF
GT---Clem
Miami--FSU

BC-Miami and Pitt-Syracuse can be moved to Thanksgiving weekend. The main reason BC cited moving to the ACC was to be with Miami, after all.

I was long a proponent of trading VT for Syracuse, but while placing VaTech in a division that makes more sense historically and improving the strength of schedule for FSU and Clemson, it causes cross-division games to be played in rivalry week.

Syracuse and Pitt should also revert to their uniforms of the mid-90's. 04-wine


I ABSOLUTLY agree with you on that statement. Most folks were able to turn on their tv and instanly recognize a Syracuse team on the field. Now with these gray uniforms, it is ridiculous. They are the worst yet. A bigger problem is that there are a couple other teams with these barfing gray uniforms that look like syracuse's nasty grays.
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(07-01-2018 08:45 AM)esayem Wrote:  Louisville has West Virginia's spot, so expansion is unlikely.

Silly me, I thought Louisville took Maryland's spot. Besides, UL and WVU are both good brands.
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(07-01-2018 01:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-01-2018 08:45 AM)esayem Wrote:  Louisville has West Virginia's spot, so expansion is unlikely.

Silly me, I thought Louisville took Maryland's spot. Besides, UL and WVU are both good brands.

Part of me really likes the idea of WVU replacing Maryland because of the history; UNC sponsored WVU in the early stages of the ACC.

I don’t think Navy would be able to hang long-term, in fact, I’m not convinced the American is going to house the Midshipmen for very long. There are just too many benefits for the academies regarding independence. I don’t think UConn can get the votes.
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(06-30-2018 03:05 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-30-2018 12:02 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Functionally, ESPN could put together the conferences looking something like this division wise:

Plains Division: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri
Texas Division: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Texas A&M, TCU,

Delta Division: Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, Alabama
Gulf Division: Auburn, Florida State, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida

South Atlantic Division: Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Clemson, South Carolina, Miami
Mid-South Division: North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia

Northeast Division: Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Syracuse
Midwest Division: Iowa State, Notre Dame, Louisville, Kentucky, Cincinnati


Minimal divisions grouped by tight geography allows you to arbitrarily control how heavily you mix over in scheduling. I've paired them where obvious crossovers are apparent, including in the nearest cross pairing.

You would need a league office with the elimination of the two conference offices. Keep the most central site (probably still Birmingham or move it to Nashville) sell the other sites for commercial value. Have 1 commissioner. Utilize Charlotte, Dallas, and Bristol studios and devote 1 channel to each two divisions. The SEC has two channels dedicated and one overflow. Use all of those channel numbers to present 4 sets of games across 3 time slots each week for the bundling of the divisional network channels. Charge the 1.35 the SECN gets today for all of it. Play 10 conference games and 2 OOC games for a total of 12 P games. No G5 and no FCS games. Play our 4 divisional games and rotate 3 games against the closest other 3 divisions. Play 3 permanent rivals.

Have one office for training and standardization of officials. And negotiate our contracts as one unit. And have 1 standard for stipends and requirements for venues and student athlete's living accommodations.

But here's what I would suggest with regard to your divisional set up. The divisions are fine. But require all schools to have no subsidies and to fund sports fully regardless of whether they are private or not. A core of standard sports that they must play should be set as well. If some can't handle that and drop out, then the league can either add other schools, or drop down to say 36 overall schools instead of 40.

I don't think that Cincinnati, or 3 other schools could make it without subsidies and with a required number of sports.

I had in mind these for the core sports, and keep in mind I'm blending the sports cultures of the three regions:

Men's sports:
Football
Basketball
Baseball
Lacrosse
Soccer
Wrestling
Track & Field (Indoor and Outdoor)
Swimming & Diving
Tennis
Golf

Women's sports:
Basketball
Softball
Lacrosse
Soccer
Volleyball
Track & Field (Indoor and Outdoor)
Swimming and Diving
Tennis
Golf
1 Other to be determined at the formation of the League (maybe an Olympic sport).

With the leverage the League would have in selling sports rights, and with the added sports representing a unifying force for the league, the content value of the League would be extensive. Of course schools can supply their niche sports (shooting, bowling, equestrian, etc.) on their own.

If some privates can't afford football then they may join in all sports but. I could see Vanderbilt, Wake, Duke, and perhaps another opting for this. That way basketball rivals and baseball teams stay in business and the content value for football goes up.

We could easily wind up with 36 football playing members and 40 members total for all other sports.

Anyway some kind of concept like this would work with a little standardization for play and officials and by streamlining the overhead of management and making use of existing channels. The internal playoff for the championship could involve 8 divisional champs being seeded and playing it down. The champ would face the surviving challenger of the other conferences or league.

What if this setup was for football only? It could alleviate some/all Title IX issues, or possibly create more. The existing conferences would remain intact for Olympic sports including basketball.
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(07-01-2018 08:51 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(06-30-2018 03:05 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-30-2018 12:02 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Functionally, ESPN could put together the conferences looking something like this division wise:

Plains Division: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri
Texas Division: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Texas A&M, TCU,

Delta Division: Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, Alabama
Gulf Division: Auburn, Florida State, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida

South Atlantic Division: Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Clemson, South Carolina, Miami
Mid-South Division: North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia

Northeast Division: Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Syracuse
Midwest Division: Iowa State, Notre Dame, Louisville, Kentucky, Cincinnati


Minimal divisions grouped by tight geography allows you to arbitrarily control how heavily you mix over in scheduling. I've paired them where obvious crossovers are apparent, including in the nearest cross pairing.

You would need a league office with the elimination of the two conference offices. Keep the most central site (probably still Birmingham or move it to Nashville) sell the other sites for commercial value. Have 1 commissioner. Utilize Charlotte, Dallas, and Bristol studios and devote 1 channel to each two divisions. The SEC has two channels dedicated and one overflow. Use all of those channel numbers to present 4 sets of games across 3 time slots each week for the bundling of the divisional network channels. Charge the 1.35 the SECN gets today for all of it. Play 10 conference games and 2 OOC games for a total of 12 P games. No G5 and no FCS games. Play our 4 divisional games and rotate 3 games against the closest other 3 divisions. Play 3 permanent rivals.

Have one office for training and standardization of officials. And negotiate our contracts as one unit. And have 1 standard for stipends and requirements for venues and student athlete's living accommodations.

But here's what I would suggest with regard to your divisional set up. The divisions are fine. But require all schools to have no subsidies and to fund sports fully regardless of whether they are private or not. A core of standard sports that they must play should be set as well. If some can't handle that and drop out, then the league can either add other schools, or drop down to say 36 overall schools instead of 40.

I don't think that Cincinnati, or 3 other schools could make it without subsidies and with a required number of sports.

I had in mind these for the core sports, and keep in mind I'm blending the sports cultures of the three regions:

Men's sports:
Football
Basketball
Baseball
Lacrosse
Soccer
Wrestling
Track & Field (Indoor and Outdoor)
Swimming & Diving
Tennis
Golf

Women's sports:
Basketball
Softball
Lacrosse
Soccer
Volleyball
Track & Field (Indoor and Outdoor)
Swimming and Diving
Tennis
Golf
1 Other to be determined at the formation of the League (maybe an Olympic sport).

With the leverage the League would have in selling sports rights, and with the added sports representing a unifying force for the league, the content value of the League would be extensive. Of course schools can supply their niche sports (shooting, bowling, equestrian, etc.) on their own.

If some privates can't afford football then they may join in all sports but. I could see Vanderbilt, Wake, Duke, and perhaps another opting for this. That way basketball rivals and baseball teams stay in business and the content value for football goes up.

We could easily wind up with 36 football playing members and 40 members total for all other sports.

Anyway some kind of concept like this would work with a little standardization for play and officials and by streamlining the overhead of management and making use of existing channels. The internal playoff for the championship could involve 8 divisional champs being seeded and playing it down. The champ would face the surviving challenger of the other conferences or league.

What if this setup was for football only? It could alleviate some/all Title IX issues, or possibly create more. The existing conferences would remain intact for Olympic sports including basketball.

That might be a way to get started, but the leverage of negotiating all things together and eliminating costly duplication of overhead would be a big plus toward increasing profits. There's no reason to prevent most of our conferences from essentially staying together in divisions and certainly deference would be given to playing your most familiar foes.

The vast part of the problems our conferences face right now are old ways, inefficient ways of conducting business, the duplication of overhead between the Big 12/ACC/&SEC accounts for 3 full share a year or roughly 106 million a year. If we manage to cut that to 1/3rd that's enough for each school to earn an additional 1.7-1.9 million a year. Then you have some massive values in corporate real estate that is also duplicated. Sell it and make a one time allocation to the 36 to 40 schools that might comprise our league. That money would go a long way to alleviating some existing debt among those schools, or in the creation, or addition to, athletic endowments.

The core sports could be decided by consensus. The smaller the core the less Title IX gets involved and the more each school is free to decide for themselves which ones they will elect to play.
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I think this will be the 17 team ACC in the future:

Northern Coast Division
Boston College
Connecticut or Cincinnati
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Louisville
Virginia Tech
Virginia

Southern Coast Division
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami

Notre Dame (Independent in football)

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(07-01-2018 10:10 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think this will be the 17 team ACC in the future:

Northern Coast Division
Boston College
Connecticut or Cincinnati
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Louisville
Virginia Tech
Virginia <--- can't separate from other old ACC schools

Southern Coast Division
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami <--- why separate from old Big East schools?

Notre Dame (Independent in football)

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(07-01-2018 10:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-01-2018 10:10 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think this will be the 17 team ACC in the future:

Northern Coast Division
Boston College
Connecticut or Cincinnati
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Louisville
Virginia Tech
Virginia <--- can't separate from other old ACC schools

Southern Coast Division
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami <--- why separate from old Big East schools?

Notre Dame (Independent in football)

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OK, switch Miami and UVA. 07-coffee3
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(06-30-2018 12:02 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Functionally, ESPN could put together the conferences looking something like this division wise:

Plains Division: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri
Texas Division: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Texas A&M, TCU,

Delta Division: Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, Alabama
Gulf Division: Auburn, Florida State, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida

South Atlantic Division: Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Clemson, South Carolina, Miami
Mid-South Division: North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia

Northeast Division: Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Syracuse
Midwest Division: Iowa State, Notre Dame, Louisville, Kentucky, Cincinnati


Minimal divisions grouped by tight geography allows you to arbitrarily control how heavily you mix over in scheduling. I've paired them where obvious crossovers are apparent, including in the nearest cross pairing.

If all we cared about were less than national championships that would be awesome. The only program that really cares about winning is Miami who will likely end up on probation if they try? Who wouldn't like that? Somebody with higher expectations. That South Atlantic Division is weaker than the current ACC Atlantic Division.
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(07-02-2018 12:48 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  If all we cared about were less than national championships that would be awesome. The only program that really cares about winning is Miami who will likely end up on probation if they try? Who wouldn't like that? Somebody with higher expectations. That South Atlantic Division is weaker than the current ACC Atlantic Division.

You'd be playing two games against the Gulf Division every year. Don't run to the bank so fast.
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UC is your man, like it or not.

We're Louisville's only real rival, and that's including UK. UK and Louisville really don't have a whole lot in common other than being located in the border of the same state.

UC's got a history of being conference mates with half the current ACC. Our facilities are acceptable.

Academics are not a problem.

We fit in.
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RE: Best Plausible ACC Expansion
ACC would be best off REDUCING the size of the conference. Not adding more mouths to feed.

Very...VERY few schools add value, let alone avoid reducing payouts. ACC already dead last in payout.
07-02-2018 01:42 PM
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RE: Best Plausible ACC Expansion
(07-02-2018 01:42 PM)nole Wrote:  ACC would be best off REDUCING the size of the conference. Not adding more mouths to feed.

Very...VERY few schools add value, let alone avoid reducing payouts. ACC already dead last in payout.

Who ya kicking out?

Go on, out with it.
07-02-2018 01:49 PM
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