Seemed like half the games i tried to watch yesterday had a weather delay. In 50 years i have never seen anything like it.

What stood out was how widespread it was. From the east to west and north to south, games were delayed.

Is this the new September normal?

(09-02-2018 08:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Seemed like half the games i tried to watch yesterday had a weather delay. In 50 years i have never seen anything like it.

What stood out was how widespread it was. From the east to west and north to south, games were delayed.

Is this the new September normal?

The Nebraska game and several other games were postponed all together due to the weather.

Don't you think it's simply safety protocol when lightning strikes? I think they have to wait 60 minutes without a lightning strike to let people back into the stadium now. And then, 20 minutes for a re-warm up for the players.

In the old days, I don't think they cleared stadiums for one lightning strike anywhere in the visible radius of a stadium.

(09-02-2018 08:50 AM)micahandme Wrote:  Don't you think it's simply safety protocol when lightning strikes? I think they have to wait 60 minutes without a lightning strike to let people back into the stadium now. And then, 20 minutes for a re-warm up for the players.

In the old days, I don't think they cleared stadiums for one lightning strike anywhere in the visible radius of a stadium.

This. Labor Day weekend has been hot as Hades for forever. Stadiums are just being forced (rightfully so) to be safer now.

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They add an interesting and memorable element to early season games. NIU @ Wyoming ended at 330am central a couple years ago.

What’s unfortunate is the cancelled games instead of playing Sunday morning of Labor Day weekend. In Nebraska’s case they have fans who drive in from places like Colorado and Wyoming.

Yeah, I don't get not rescheduling for the next day.

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(09-02-2018 08:50 AM)micahandme Wrote:  In the old days, I don't think they cleared stadiums for one lightning strike anywhere in the visible radius of a stadium.

No they didn't! They were almost too lax a generation ago.

I remember this game --- 1990 USC @ Ohio State. A MONSTER thunderstorm rolls over Columbus in the 4th Quarter. But who cares, keep on playing!

At the 2:18:58 mark, the scoreboard actually shows a graphic of a cartoon Trojan getting hit by a lightning bolt!

https://youtu.be/P6jax72VATo?t=2h15m4s

(09-02-2018 10:18 AM)panama Wrote:  Yeah, I don't get not rescheduling for the next day.

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Charter flights are getting harder to schedule. In most cases the jet is scheduled to be someplace else. You leave on schedule or good luck finding a way home.
Even getting the buses to get you hotel to game to airport can be problematic if already booked and the company may/may not have drivers available for the rescheduled game.
You have to arrange lodging and meals for roughly 100 people at around 9pm the same night.
You have to make new lodging, meal, and travel arrangements for the officials.
You have to line up concession workers, security, and ushers on a last minute basis and many of your security people are likely police officers who are scheduled to be on duty and have to be replaced.

Rescheduling is not easy to do at all.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html

(09-02-2018 08:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Seemed like half the games i tried to watch yesterday had a weather delay. In 50 years i have never seen anything like it.

What stood out was how widespread it was. From the east to west and north to south, games were delayed.

Is this the new September normal?

in 50 years you've never seen weather events in the USA on Labor Day weekend? Get off Vox and HuffPo for a while, there's life to explore.

Labor Day Hurricanes in the last 50 years

(09-02-2018 11:17 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 10:18 AM)panama Wrote:  Yeah, I don't get not rescheduling for the next day.

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Charter flights are getting harder to schedule. In most cases the jet is scheduled to be someplace else. You leave on schedule or good luck finding a way home.
Even getting the buses to get you hotel to game to airport can be problematic if already booked and the company may/may not have drivers available for the rescheduled game.
You have to arrange lodging and meals for roughly 100 people at around 9pm the same night.
You have to make new lodging, meal, and travel arrangements for the officials.
You have to line up concession workers, security, and ushers on a last minute basis and many of your security people are likely police officers who are scheduled to be on duty and have to be replaced.

Rescheduling is not easy to do at all.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html

Absolutely. A jet on the ground is a jet losing money.

(09-02-2018 08:50 AM)micahandme Wrote:  Don't you think it's simply safety protocol when lightning strikes? I think they have to wait 60 minutes without a lightning strike to let people back into the stadium now. And then, 20 minutes for a re-warm up for the players.

In the old days, I don't think they cleared stadiums for one lightning strike anywhere in the visible radius of a stadium.

In the old days you played through the weather regardless of how severe it was, and fans sat in the stadium at their own risk.

Sounds horribly dangerous doesn't it? Yet nobody was ever killed watching a college football game by the weather.

While I understand the sentiment with regard to lightening the truth is virtually all of these stadiums have lightening rods which safeguard the occupants. The Statue of Liberty averages something like 2 lightening strikes a day for any given year. That doesn't mean lightening strikes every day but that it strikes the statue multiple times during every storm.

Auburn in the early 70's played Miami at Coral Gables during a real hurricane. I think we kicked a field goal and that was the only score of the game. We played Tennessee in Knoxville in weather so severe that punts were attempted by both teams on 3rd down to insure if the snap was dropped, or blown off course we could get another attempt if we fell on the ball.

Personally, I played a high school game in a hail storm.

I just don't get the nanny state hysteria surrounding the weather! Baseball was used to weather delays, football never had them until very recently (meaning the last couple of decades). So that's why you don't remember things being this bad in the past. Football games were very seldom delayed let alone cancelled.

(09-02-2018 12:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 08:50 AM)micahandme Wrote:  Don't you think it's simply safety protocol when lightning strikes? I think they have to wait 60 minutes without a lightning strike to let people back into the stadium now. And then, 20 minutes for a re-warm up for the players.

In the old days, I don't think they cleared stadiums for one lightning strike anywhere in the visible radius of a stadium.

In the old days you played through the weather regardless of how severe it was, and fans sat in the stadium at their own risk.

Sounds horribly dangerous doesn't it? Yet nobody was ever killed watching a college football game by the weather.

While I understand the sentiment with regard to lightening the truth is virtually all of these stadiums have lightening rods which safeguard the occupants. The Statue of Liberty averages something like 2 lightening strikes a day for any given year. That doesn't mean lightening strikes every day but that it strikes the statue multiple times during every storm.

Auburn in the early 70's played Miami at Coral Gables during a real hurricane. I think we kicked a field goal and that was the only score of the game. We played Tennessee in Knoxville in weather so severe that punts were attempted by both teams on 3rd down to insure if the snap was dropped, or blown off course we could get another attempt if we fell on the ball.

Personally, I played a high school game in a hail storm.

I just don't get the nanny state hysteria surrounding the weather! Baseball was used to weather delays, football never had them until very recently (meaning the last couple of decades). So that's why you don't remember things being this bad in the past. Football games were very seldom delayed let alone cancelled.

I can recall a few games paused for weather.
One lights went out after a nearby lighting strike.
One the tornado sirens went off and this was about 7-8 years after a tornado destroyed a huge swath of Jonesboro but somehow managed to mainly hit commercial areas so only three deaths and one five years before that killed 34. Closest I've ever seen to a large panic.
Another time we had a hail storm and electrical storm hit about 80 seconds before halftime. Teams went to the dressing rooms. The bad stuff last about 5 minutes and after just being rain for a time they finally they sent the band out to perform. Teams come out after about 30 minutes. Played the last 1:20. Ref picked up the ball to signify halftime. Gets the choice from the coin toss loser (no deferral yet) puts the ball down for the kickoff. Had like a 90 second halftime.
Then there was Ray Perkins one season at AState. Big nasty line of thunderstorms hit Lafayette about halfway through the third quarter in the season finale. Teams got sent in and after about 20 minutes the game was declared complete and the team was still late leaving Lafayette because of the weather.

The real difference is lighting detectors. Used to be unless the flash and thunder were really close together you played on. Now everyone has installed detectors and if they signal a strike within however many miles, its an automatic shutdown and wait.

(09-02-2018 01:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 12:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 08:50 AM)micahandme Wrote:  Don't you think it's simply safety protocol when lightning strikes? I think they have to wait 60 minutes without a lightning strike to let people back into the stadium now. And then, 20 minutes for a re-warm up for the players.

In the old days, I don't think they cleared stadiums for one lightning strike anywhere in the visible radius of a stadium.

In the old days you played through the weather regardless of how severe it was, and fans sat in the stadium at their own risk.

Sounds horribly dangerous doesn't it? Yet nobody was ever killed watching a college football game by the weather.

While I understand the sentiment with regard to lightening the truth is virtually all of these stadiums have lightening rods which safeguard the occupants. The Statue of Liberty averages something like 2 lightening strikes a day for any given year. That doesn't mean lightening strikes every day but that it strikes the statue multiple times during every storm.

Auburn in the early 70's played Miami at Coral Gables during a real hurricane. I think we kicked a field goal and that was the only score of the game. We played Tennessee in Knoxville in weather so severe that punts were attempted by both teams on 3rd down to insure if the snap was dropped, or blown off course we could get another attempt if we fell on the ball.

Personally, I played a high school game in a hail storm.

I just don't get the nanny state hysteria surrounding the weather! Baseball was used to weather delays, football never had them until very recently (meaning the last couple of decades). So that's why you don't remember things being this bad in the past. Football games were very seldom delayed let alone cancelled.

I can recall a few games paused for weather.
One lights went out after a nearby lighting strike.
One the tornado sirens went off and this was about 7-8 years after a tornado destroyed a huge swath of Jonesboro but somehow managed to mainly hit commercial areas so only three deaths and one five years before that killed 34. Closest I've ever seen to a large panic.
Another time we had a hail storm and electrical storm hit about 80 seconds before halftime. Teams went to the dressing rooms. The bad stuff last about 5 minutes and after just being rain for a time they finally they sent the band out to perform. Teams come out after about 30 minutes. Played the last 1:20. Ref picked up the ball to signify halftime. Gets the choice from the coin toss loser (no deferral yet) puts the ball down for the kickoff. Had like a 90 second halftime.
Then there was Ray Perkins one season at AState. Big nasty line of thunderstorms hit Lafayette about halfway through the third quarter in the season finale. Teams got sent in and after about 20 minutes the game was declared complete and the team was still late leaving Lafayette because of the weather.

The real difference is lighting detectors. Used to be unless the flash and thunder were really close together you played on. Now everyone has installed detectors and if they signal a strike within however many miles, its an automatic shutdown and wait.

And that impacts the fact that we haven't lost anyone to lightening in a stadium during a college game how? It's still a gross overreaction. I choose not to live that way and am damned tired of having everyone else's fear of a liability, not death, nor actual threat, impinging upon my life.

I can't watch a college baseball game with an unobstructed line of sight because of liability should some dumb fan not watching the game get hit by a foul ball. Games are halted because the schools are afraid of lawsuits should someone without good enough sense to get under a shelter during the worst part of storm get injured so we all suffer for the appalling lack of common sense by the nanny state idiots and even more so because of the % of lawyers to the average working population which in the U.S. closely approximates a swarm of hungry mosquitoes upon a poor soul caught in the swamp on hot and humid Summer's evening.

Any time lightning gets within 8 miles of any college stadium now, the game has to be stopped for at least 30 minutes, and any time a lightning strike hits within that radius, the clock is reset. That plays more havoc with baseball regionals than it does with football.

There are regionals with several hour delays every year because of lightning.

Weather folks are also more aware of radar and stuff like that and if somebody got seriously injured or killed by lightning at a sporting event it would be a major news story and probably millions in lawsuits against the school, team or league.

Minor league baseball has more lax standards than college sports. They’ve shot off fireworks at my stadium with thunderstorms only a few miles away.

(09-02-2018 02:58 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Any time lightning gets within 8 miles of any college stadium now, the game has to be stopped for at least 30 minutes, and any time a lightning strike hits within that radius, the clock is reset. That plays more havoc with baseball regionals than it does with football.

There are regionals with several hour delays every year because of lightning.

Weather folks are also more aware of radar and stuff like that and if somebody got seriously injured or killed by lightning at a sporting event it would be a major news story and probably millions in lawsuits against the school, team or league.

Minor league baseball has more lax standards than college sports. They’ve shot off fireworks at my stadium with thunderstorms only a few miles away.

How does freedom die? Do liberals take away our rights? No. Do crazy people take away our rights? No. Do conservatives get so overbearing that they take away our rights? No.

Our country and our rights are now being held hostage by the lawyers and insurance companies! There is the real threat to democracy and it is like minority report. Your rights are stripped by the "Possibility" of injury and therefore the fear of "Legal Action" which is perpetuated by "Lawyers" who need to eat because there's too damn many of them which is why they are Public Enemy #1. And since the vast majority of House and Senate members are lawyers who, by merely enacting laws to restrict the rights of the citizens and to enable ways in which your revenue can become their revenue, have destroyed the government of the people by the people and for the people. It is now a government of the lawyers, by the lawyers, and for the lawyers. And the more they can wrangle and confuse the enforcement of legitimate laws the more they make. The more corporations pay them to do their bidding especially through government perks and arbitration the more they make. And the more laws they pass the more you will likely need to pay a lawyer.

So my good friends don't hate Al Qaeda, don't hate the Chinese, don't hate the Russians, don't hate the left or the right, but organize and go after the real enemies of the people, the lawyers!!! But don't hurt them. Their punishment shall be to live on Pacific atolls with nothing but other lawyers. With no practical skills, no useful trade, and no agricultural background, nature will take care of them soon enough.

(09-02-2018 02:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 01:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 12:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 08:50 AM)micahandme Wrote:  Don't you think it's simply safety protocol when lightning strikes? I think they have to wait 60 minutes without a lightning strike to let people back into the stadium now. And then, 20 minutes for a re-warm up for the players.

In the old days, I don't think they cleared stadiums for one lightning strike anywhere in the visible radius of a stadium.

In the old days you played through the weather regardless of how severe it was, and fans sat in the stadium at their own risk.

Sounds horribly dangerous doesn't it? Yet nobody was ever killed watching a college football game by the weather.

While I understand the sentiment with regard to lightening the truth is virtually all of these stadiums have lightening rods which safeguard the occupants. The Statue of Liberty averages something like 2 lightening strikes a day for any given year. That doesn't mean lightening strikes every day but that it strikes the statue multiple times during every storm.

Auburn in the early 70's played Miami at Coral Gables during a real hurricane. I think we kicked a field goal and that was the only score of the game. We played Tennessee in Knoxville in weather so severe that punts were attempted by both teams on 3rd down to insure if the snap was dropped, or blown off course we could get another attempt if we fell on the ball.

Personally, I played a high school game in a hail storm.

I just don't get the nanny state hysteria surrounding the weather! Baseball was used to weather delays, football never had them until very recently (meaning the last couple of decades). So that's why you don't remember things being this bad in the past. Football games were very seldom delayed let alone cancelled.

I can recall a few games paused for weather.
One lights went out after a nearby lighting strike.
One the tornado sirens went off and this was about 7-8 years after a tornado destroyed a huge swath of Jonesboro but somehow managed to mainly hit commercial areas so only three deaths and one five years before that killed 34. Closest I've ever seen to a large panic.
Another time we had a hail storm and electrical storm hit about 80 seconds before halftime. Teams went to the dressing rooms. The bad stuff last about 5 minutes and after just being rain for a time they finally they sent the band out to perform. Teams come out after about 30 minutes. Played the last 1:20. Ref picked up the ball to signify halftime. Gets the choice from the coin toss loser (no deferral yet) puts the ball down for the kickoff. Had like a 90 second halftime.
Then there was Ray Perkins one season at AState. Big nasty line of thunderstorms hit Lafayette about halfway through the third quarter in the season finale. Teams got sent in and after about 20 minutes the game was declared complete and the team was still late leaving Lafayette because of the weather.

The real difference is lighting detectors. Used to be unless the flash and thunder were really close together you played on. Now everyone has installed detectors and if they signal a strike within however many miles, its an automatic shutdown and wait.

And that impacts the fact that we haven't lost anyone to lightening in a stadium during a college game how? It's still a gross overreaction. I choose not to live that way and am damned tired of having everyone else's fear of a liability, not death, nor actual threat, impinging upon my life.

I can't watch a college baseball game with an unobstructed line of sight because of liability should some dumb fan not watching the game get hit by a foul ball. Games are halted because the schools are afraid of lawsuits should someone without good enough sense to get under a shelter during the worst part of storm get injured so we all suffer for the appalling lack of common sense by the nanny state idiots and even more so because of the % of lawyers to the average working population which in the U.S. closely approximates a swarm of hungry mosquitoes upon a poor soul caught in the swamp on hot and humid Summer's evening.

I agree.

How many athletes/spectators have EVER been struck by lightning?

For 130 years and over 300,000 college football games, they wouldn't stop a game because of lightning. How many people were ever hurt by that policy?

I've heard of people being hurt at practice or at soccer games in small stadiums. But a BIG stadium is such a good conductor of electricity through its steel beams that it doesn't even need a roof on it to completely protect all the people inside.

A fan was hit by lightning a few years ago at West Virginia.
Major League Soccer has had multiple incidents of fan injury.
PGA and NASCAR have both had fatalities.
11 soccer players were killed in a stadium in Africa from one strike.

Mississippi State researched the issue. 45% of fatalities happen at venues
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/...000112.pdf

(09-02-2018 04:30 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  A fan was hit by lightning a few years ago at West Virginia.
Major League Soccer has had multiple incidents of fan injury.
PGA and NASCAR have both had fatalities.
11 soccer players were killed in a stadium in Africa from one strike.

Mississippi State researched the issue. 45% of fatalities happen at venues
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/...000112.pdf

You and your factual facts.


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(09-02-2018 04:30 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  A fan was hit by lightning a few years ago at West Virginia.
Major League Soccer has had multiple incidents of fan injury.
PGA and NASCAR have both had fatalities.
11 soccer players were killed in a stadium in Africa from one strike.

Mississippi State researched the issue. 45% of fatalities happen at venues
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/...000112.pdf

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

If you want to be a victim of lightening while participating in a sport then be on an open field with few stands around you, e.g. a soccer field in the USA. But even then the most likely place to be struck or killed by lightening in the Southeast is on the water in a metal boat with your fishing line in the water.

Shall we ban fishing too? Require rubber dingy's instead of John boats?

Climate change has got to be the most laughable explanation for the cancellations and delayed. It's a weak, nanny state mentality to blame for it all. In the old days they would have just played on.