(09-02-2018 07:34 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:24 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:20 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 06:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  point 1: no one cares about the bottom of your league..

kansas lost to an fcs..state needed a miracle to beat 1....

the pacc 12 won most of its ooc yesterady...but the projected top teams lost: media- pac12 in for a long year

People care about the bottom of OUR league. The strength of our conference schedule looks like trash. 2 of our conference opponents that we play this year lost to FCS teams week 1 and the 3 others lost to G4’s...

they dont....find any national media outlet talking about the temple game...they care about if our top can compete with thier top and if its more than 2 teams

i watched college football shows all weekend (for ed oliver hype)..no one mentioned temple once

No... but when looking at UCF’s or Houston’s schedule... they’re going to see teams like Temple and dismiss us based on only beating poor teams in their eyes and not being tested throughout the season...

yes they are going to dismiss temple...like they dismisss any bad game on an acc schdeule....

they care about there being good in the schedule..they dont care about how bad the bad is... you could play 6 fcs but mix in bama, clemson, ohio state..if you winn all 3 they will have you a title contender..

like i said they only care about the top..a few years ago the acc was extremely weak, but clemson and fsu made title runs simply from playing each other and their regional rivals (florida and south carolina)..

my point: they dont care about how bad temple is..temple could have won vs vill...but if they then lost to Maryland 2 weeks later in the medias eyes both are just as equally bad (aka good win or not good win are the only 2 options)..the key to maintaining success in football is getting our good teams to be acknowledge as good (by beating p5 on national televised games )..they dont care how bad our bottom is..they were never going to give us credit for them

basketball is where the quality of the bottom is important

(09-02-2018 07:49 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:34 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:24 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:20 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 06:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  point 1: no one cares about the bottom of your league..

kansas lost to an fcs..state needed a miracle to beat 1....

the pacc 12 won most of its ooc yesterady...but the projected top teams lost: media- pac12 in for a long year

People care about the bottom of OUR league. The strength of our conference schedule looks like trash. 2 of our conference opponents that we play this year lost to FCS teams week 1 and the 3 others lost to G4’s...

they dont....find any national media outlet talking about the temple game...they care about if our top can compete with thier top and if its more than 2 teams

i watched college football shows all weekend (for ed oliver hype)..no one mentioned temple once

No... but when looking at UCF’s or Houston’s schedule... they’re going to see teams like Temple and dismiss us based on only beating poor teams in their eyes and not being tested throughout the season...

yes they are going to dismiss temple...like they dismisss any bad game on an acc schdeule....

they care about there being good in the schedule..they dont care about how bad the bad is... you could play 6 fcs but mix in bama, clemson, ohio state..if you winn all 3 they will have you a title contender..

like i said they only care about the top..a few years ago the acc was extremely weak, but clemson and fsu made title runs simply from playing each other and their regional rivals (florida and south carolina)..

my point: they dont care about how bad temple is..temple could have won vs vill...but if they then lost to Maryland 2 weeks later in the medias eyes both are just as equally bad (aka good win or not good win are the only 2 options)..the key to maintaining success in football is getting our good teams to be acknowledge as good (by beating p5 on national televised games )..they dont care how bad our bottom is..they were never going to give us credit for them

basketball is where the quality of the bottom is important

It’s very important that we all win our OOC games. Yes, if Temple beat the FCS but lost to Maryland... it wouldn’t matter much. But if they win both and rack up 4 wins in their OOC games alone... their going to look a lot better when looking at the schedule.

(09-02-2018 06:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 06:46 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 06:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  point 1: no one cares about the bottom of your league..

kansas lost to an fcs..state needed a miracle to beat 1....

the pacc 12 won most of its ooc yesterady...but the projected top teams lost: media- pac12 in for a long year

We don’t have the luxury to underperform like they do.

yes we do, even more soo....look at temple, they was a an embarrassment of extremely level

- to lose to a fcs rivals who owns you in basketball..that is heart wrenching..it didnt even get a blurb anywhere in the national media (not even in the good, the bad the ugly type articles)

we suck- irrelevant..they suck- everyone is making fun of kansas..

as long as UCF/Houston/Memphis/USF..and now cincy can maintain we are fine ...

houston plays arizona on abc , usf plays gtech on abc. both next week..we win both, the national media- the aac is better than the pac 12

they only care about your top

You skipped UC. The only win over an A5 that I know of so far.

(09-02-2018 07:14 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  FYI, Boise is currently -33.5 vs UCONN in Week 2.

im going with uconn -40pt fav

(09-02-2018 06:37 PM)vcoog Wrote:  I was going to reply to the guy trolling with P6, the truth is he isn’t wrong.

We had a very slim (if any) margin for error to try to break thru and get a team into the playoffs.

Houston’s SOS is killed already. Both our “p5” opponents have lost their openers, SMU got embarrassed as well as navy, Tulane looked decent but yet is 0-1, and ECU got beat by an FCS.

We need depth in this conference. This opening weekend was not good overall for us.

So even if UCF Memphis or UH went undefeated no doubt they wouldn’t be top 10.

No G5 is ever going to be in the current incarnation of the playoff. We are playing for the access bowl—nothing else. If we can get the access bowl and win it—-that’s going to be another talking point for Aresco. This year the bottom of the conference will probably be dreadful—but the top will be stout as always.

(09-02-2018 06:51 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 06:37 PM)vcoog Wrote:  What we need is for at least two or three teams such as UH/UCF/Memphis to go 12-0 to 10-2 for several years to gain respect for our conference. An example would be the 1st place team be 12-0, 2nd place be 11-1 and the 3rd 10-2.
I was going to reply to the guy trolling with P6, the truth is he isn’t wrong.

We had a very slim (if any) margin for error to try to break thru and get a team into the playoffs.

Houston’s SOS is killed already. Both our “p5” opponents have lost their openers, SMU got embarrassed as well as navy, Tulane looked decent but yet is 0-1, and ECU got beat by an FCS.

We need depth in this conference. This opening weekend was not good overall for us.

So even if UCF Memphis or UH went undefeated no doubt they wouldn’t be top 10.

If UCF couldn't get close to making the sham playoffs last year, it won't ever happen. The best any of us can hope for is to make the access bowl and win it.

(09-02-2018 07:49 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:34 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:24 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:20 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 06:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  point 1: no one cares about the bottom of your league..

kansas lost to an fcs..state needed a miracle to beat 1....

the pacc 12 won most of its ooc yesterady...but the projected top teams lost: media- pac12 in for a long year

People care about the bottom of OUR league. The strength of our conference schedule looks like trash. 2 of our conference opponents that we play this year lost to FCS teams week 1 and the 3 others lost to G4’s...

they dont....find any national media outlet talking about the temple game...they care about if our top can compete with thier top and if its more than 2 teams

i watched college football shows all weekend (for ed oliver hype)..no one mentioned temple once

No... but when looking at UCF’s or Houston’s schedule... they’re going to see teams like Temple and dismiss us based on only beating poor teams in their eyes and not being tested throughout the season...

yes they are going to dismiss temple...like they dismisss any bad game on an acc schdeule....

I'm not convinced this is accurate. When was the last time you saw ou or bama get beat up for having to play all the cupcakes in their respective leagues? Well if you listen to the media, there aren't any cupcakes in their leagues, but that's just not the reality.

The media types are perpetuating the myth that the p5 are the only ones that matter. Its what the fans of those leagues want to hear and unfortunately there's enough of them that the networks really don't need the rest of us to survive, so why bother pandering very hard to us?

Fans of non-p5 teams have the power to influence all this of course, but it's easier for us to just go vent on message boards and then afterwards go watch the prime time p5 teams on tv and give the networks the ratings they use to prove the p5 are gods.

Growing AAC fan base, the bigger our fan base gets the more power we have
I think the p6 campaign has worked but now it is probably over, what now?
We wait untill our new tv contract is revealed and depending on how much or how little will help determine our future path forward
Two possible out comes:
A) 3 or 5 million new tv deal, ok this would keep the AAC pretty much as we are today

B) 10 to 15 million new tv deal, ok so we get this big up grade in pay, great!, what then, what are we at this point, will we pay our coaches more?, what really happens, what really changes? We still will have zero path to the A5 playoffs, we still need higher recruiting averages
Do we become a true “ Tweener” conference because of a few more bucks, will the MWC get a similar pay increase a year after us ?, if so then how does this change the landscape

(09-07-2018 11:25 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Growing AAC fan base, the bigger our fan base gets the more power we have
I think the p6 campaign has worked but now it is probably over, what now?
We wait untill our new tv contract is revealed and depending on how much or how little will help determine our future path forward
Two possible out comes:
A) 3 or 5 million new tv deal, ok this would keep the AAC pretty much as we are today

B) 10 to 15 million new tv deal, ok so we get this big up grade in pay, great!, what then, what are we at this point, will we pay our coaches more?, what really happens, what really changes? We still will have zero path to the A5 playoffs, we still need higher recruiting averages
Do we become a true “ Tweener” conference because of a few more bucks, will the MWC get a similar pay increase a year after us ?, if so then how does this change the landscape

I thought the Mountain West just got through with their new negotiations?

(09-07-2018 01:10 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-07-2018 11:25 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Growing AAC fan base, the bigger our fan base gets the more power we have
I think the p6 campaign has worked but now it is probably over, what now?
We wait untill our new tv contract is revealed and depending on how much or how little will help determine our future path forward
Two possible out comes:
A) 3 or 5 million new tv deal, ok this would keep the AAC pretty much as we are today

B) 10 to 15 million new tv deal, ok so we get this big up grade in pay, great!, what then, what are we at this point, will we pay our coaches more?, what really happens, what really changes? We still will have zero path to the A5 playoffs, we still need higher recruiting averages
Do we become a true “ Tweener” conference because of a few more bucks, will the MWC get a similar pay increase a year after us ?, if so then how does this change the landscape

I thought the Mountain West just got through with their new negotiations?

No, same timeframe as us. It was reported that ESPN offered them extension/renewal at same rate, which they turned down. There were mwc fans coming to this board convinced that the mwc being offered a crappy deal was somehow a refutation of #AmericanPow6r
They are hoping to be innovative with streaming and such, not least because nighttime kickoffs in October-November in the mountains are not a fan favorite and ticket draw.

I expect their deal to be in line with their ratings - approximately 40% of the AAC's.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

If there are 130 FBS teams, 126 of them aren't making the playoffs. About 120 of them don't have a chance of making the playoffs.

Play for your conference championship. Hope for a contract bowl in the next round or something along the lines of the Liberty for the champ.

(09-07-2018 02:49 PM)megadrone Wrote:  If there are 130 FBS teams, 126 of them aren't making the playoffs. About 120 of them don't have a chance of making the playoffs.

Play for your conference championship. Hope for a contract bowl in the next round or something along the lines of the Liberty for the champ.

Jersey boy speaks truth.

(09-02-2018 07:49 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:34 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:24 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:20 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 06:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  point 1: no one cares about the bottom of your league..

kansas lost to an fcs..state needed a miracle to beat 1....

the pacc 12 won most of its ooc yesterady...but the projected top teams lost: media- pac12 in for a long year

People care about the bottom of OUR league. The strength of our conference schedule looks like trash. 2 of our conference opponents that we play this year lost to FCS teams week 1 and the 3 others lost to G4’s...

they dont....find any national media outlet talking about the temple game...they care about if our top can compete with thier top and if its more than 2 teams

i watched college football shows all weekend (for ed oliver hype)..no one mentioned temple once

No... but when looking at UCF’s or Houston’s schedule... they’re going to see teams like Temple and dismiss us based on only beating poor teams in their eyes and not being tested throughout the season...

yes they are going to dismiss temple...like they dismisss any bad game on an acc schdeule....

they care about there being good in the schedule..they dont care about how bad the bad is... you could play 6 fcs but mix in bama, clemson, ohio state..if you winn all 3 they will have you a title contender..

like i said they only care about the top..a few years ago the acc was extremely weak, but clemson and fsu made title runs simply from playing each other and their regional rivals (florida and south carolina)..

my point: they dont care about how bad temple is..temple could have won vs vill...but if they then lost to Maryland 2 weeks later in the medias eyes both are just as equally bad (aka good win or not good win are the only 2 options)..the key to maintaining success in football is getting our good teams to be acknowledge as good (by beating p5 on national televised games )..they dont care how bad our bottom is..they were never going to give us credit for them

basketball is where the quality of the bottom is important

While this is the exact opposite thing that has been argued on this board for the two years I have been following it, I agree with you here.

(09-02-2018 06:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  point 1: no one cares about the bottom of your league..

kansas lost to an fcs..state needed a miracle to beat 1....

the pacc 12 won most of its ooc yesterady...but the projected top teams lost: media- pac12 in for a long year

Maybe, but right now, the Pac 12 has two Top 10 teams. It will take both Boise and UCF to keep winning at least through Week 6-8 to have just one. Having two is likely impossible.

(09-07-2018 04:28 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 06:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  point 1: no one cares about the bottom of your league..

kansas lost to an fcs..state needed a miracle to beat 1....

the pacc 12 won most of its ooc yesterady...but the projected top teams lost: media- pac12 in for a long year

Maybe, but right now, the Pac 12 has two Top 10 teams. It will take both Boise and UCF to keep winning at least through Week 6-8 to have just one. Having two is likely impossible.

Boise's undefeated season comes to an end early Sunday morning.

(09-07-2018 04:31 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-07-2018 04:28 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 06:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  point 1: no one cares about the bottom of your league..

kansas lost to an fcs..state needed a miracle to beat 1....

the pacc 12 won most of its ooc yesterady...but the projected top teams lost: media- pac12 in for a long year

Maybe, but right now, the Pac 12 has two Top 10 teams. It will take both Boise and UCF to keep winning at least through Week 6-8 to have just one. Having two is likely impossible.

Boise's undefeated season comes to an end early Sunday morning.

One of my best friends decided to have his second wedding on Saturday. I will just be getting home in time to watch this game. Who gets married on CFB Saturday? Who has their second wedding then, as well? I was respectful enough to get married on a Friday in the Fall. Second wedding, and all.

(09-07-2018 04:25 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:49 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:34 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:24 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:20 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  People care about the bottom of OUR league. The strength of our conference schedule looks like trash. 2 of our conference opponents that we play this year lost to FCS teams week 1 and the 3 others lost to G4’s...

they dont....find any national media outlet talking about the temple game...they care about if our top can compete with thier top and if its more than 2 teams

i watched college football shows all weekend (for ed oliver hype)..no one mentioned temple once

No... but when looking at UCF’s or Houston’s schedule... they’re going to see teams like Temple and dismiss us based on only beating poor teams in their eyes and not being tested throughout the season...

yes they are going to dismiss temple...like they dismisss any bad game on an acc schdeule....

they care about there being good in the schedule..they dont care about how bad the bad is... you could play 6 fcs but mix in bama, clemson, ohio state..if you winn all 3 they will have you a title contender..

like i said they only care about the top..a few years ago the acc was extremely weak, but clemson and fsu made title runs simply from playing each other and their regional rivals (florida and south carolina)..

my point: they dont care about how bad temple is..temple could have won vs vill...but if they then lost to Maryland 2 weeks later in the medias eyes both are just as equally bad (aka good win or not good win are the only 2 options)..the key to maintaining success in football is getting our good teams to be acknowledge as good (by beating p5 on national televised games )..they dont care how bad our bottom is..they were never going to give us credit for them

basketball is where the quality of the bottom is important

While this is the exact opposite thing that has been argued on this board for the two years I have been following it, I agree with you here.

in respect to "they" the national media/perception...those guys only care about the top...but depth IS important, our value is more than the top..

stop grabbing for anything that might even the mwc with the aac... its looks desperate lol

we have argued we are better and deeper than the mwc from inception, based on facts and that impacts our value, and also raises the standard within the league...

stop interpreting my statements into meaning depth doesnt matter at all..when im talking about just national perception...
if houston/ucf/memphis/usf all have elite seasons as a conference we would likely be "perceived" stronger than the pac 12..that would be great but...
the pac 12's true value would still far higher than the aac..

(09-07-2018 04:33 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-07-2018 04:31 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-07-2018 04:28 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 06:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  point 1: no one cares about the bottom of your league..

kansas lost to an fcs..state needed a miracle to beat 1....

the pacc 12 won most of its ooc yesterady...but the projected top teams lost: media- pac12 in for a long year

Maybe, but right now, the Pac 12 has two Top 10 teams. It will take both Boise and UCF to keep winning at least through Week 6-8 to have just one. Having two is likely impossible.

Boise's undefeated season comes to an end early Sunday morning.

One of my best friends decided to have his second wedding on Saturday. I will just be getting home in time to watch this game. Who gets married on CFB Saturday? Who has their second wedding then, as well? I was respectful enough to get married on a Friday in the Fall. Second wedding, and all.

Then again, I did spend this afternoon setting up my tailgating satellite and TV, at his wedding venue. So, it cannot be all bad.

(09-07-2018 04:36 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-07-2018 04:25 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:49 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:34 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:24 PM)pesik Wrote:  they dont....find any national media outlet talking about the temple game...they care about if our top can compete with thier top and if its more than 2 teams

i watched college football shows all weekend (for ed oliver hype)..no one mentioned temple once

No... but when looking at UCF’s or Houston’s schedule... they’re going to see teams like Temple and dismiss us based on only beating poor teams in their eyes and not being tested throughout the season...

yes they are going to dismiss temple...like they dismisss any bad game on an acc schdeule....

they care about there being good in the schedule..they dont care about how bad the bad is... you could play 6 fcs but mix in bama, clemson, ohio state..if you winn all 3 they will have you a title contender..

like i said they only care about the top..a few years ago the acc was extremely weak, but clemson and fsu made title runs simply from playing each other and their regional rivals (florida and south carolina)..

my point: they dont care about how bad temple is..temple could have won vs vill...but if they then lost to Maryland 2 weeks later in the medias eyes both are just as equally bad (aka good win or not good win are the only 2 options)..the key to maintaining success in football is getting our good teams to be acknowledge as good (by beating p5 on national televised games )..they dont care how bad our bottom is..they were never going to give us credit for them

basketball is where the quality of the bottom is important

While this is the exact opposite thing that has been argued on this board for the two years I have been following it, I agree with you here.

in respect to "they" the national media/perception...those guys only care about the top...but depth IS important, our value is more than the top..

stop grabbing for anything that might even the mwc with the aac... its looks desperate lol

we have argued we are better and deeper than the mwc from inception, based on facts and that impacts our value, and also raises the standard within the league...

stop interpreting my statements into meaning depth doesnt matter at all..when im talking about just national perception...
if houston/ucf/memphis/usf all have elite seasons as a conference we would likely be "perceived" stronger than the pac 12..that would be great but...
the pac 12's true value would still far higher than the aac..

Sorry pal. You are a smart enough guy to know that the MW's top and the AAC's top look similar this year. The depth of the conference looks similar as well. With that, I am smart enough to know that it is early, and it could all look different by the end of September. Time will tell. Enjoy the games.