(12-14-2018 05:48 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 02:14 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I don't really see much wrong with what the UCF AD Said. They are far from the only program at the G5 level that won't do 2 for 1's. Those series are really tricky to schedule. A, you are scheduling everything 5 years down the road, B, When you do 2 for 1's, the pay outs for the two road games are hard to structure, and C given there's a buyout for everything, there's not really much stopping the P5 opponent from finding some reason down the road to cancel a game that you scheduled 7 years ago.

If UCF is going to brand themselves as a Top 25 program (And they have to if they have any intention of ever getting a shot at a P5 league) than it makes perfect sense to not schedule anything that's close to a 2 for 1.

Meanwhile on Florida's side, they get to offer something they know UCF won't accept, and then play the "See we tried" game when they start getting pressure from the legislature to play the game.

Lets be clear. There are schools out there who will do anything in their power to get P5 home games, even if that means taking a 2 or even 3 for 1. Those teams do it because the money from that single game (often a sell out) can be enough to sustain a tight budget. UCF draws well enough, they really don't need a game with UF. Given there's still a fairly strong chance that UCF could schedule and beat any team not named Bama or Clemson and still get left out of the playoff because they are UCF, I really don't see the benefit to playing whatsoever.

I think you are missing the big symbolic issue here: UCF is complaining that they don't get enough respect in the CFP rankings. The CFP replies that their schedule is too weak. UCF has said that it's not fair to say that, because the top P5 teams duck them, refuse to schedule them.

That narrative is undermined when a top P5, and Florida is a top P5 even though they currently aren't Alabama, makes a public offer to play *3* games with them, and UCF rejects it.

The optics on that are bad, for UCF's public propaganda battle that they've waged the past year.

No one is missing anything. This thread is just not anti-UCF like you thought it would be.

Actually, it has.

(12-15-2018 12:02 PM)otown Wrote:  Gonna be quite funny to see what all the ass hats from fantasyland have to say if this gets scheduled under better terms. Looks like White gonna follow up with Stricklin to get something done.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.c...84783/Amp/

Fair enough - if UCF does get a 1 for 1 with UF, I'll eat my crow.

But it will also be quite funny to see what the UCF militants have to say if it gets scheduled under USF terms, too.

(12-16-2018 10:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-15-2018 12:02 PM)otown Wrote:  Gonna be quite funny to see what all the ass hats from fantasyland have to say if this gets scheduled under better terms. Looks like White gonna follow up with Stricklin to get something done.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.c...84783/Amp/

Fair enough - if UCF does get a 1 for 1 with UF, I'll eat my crow.

But it will also be quite funny to see what the UCF militants have to say if it gets scheduled under USF terms, too.

Since both sides have publicly staked out positions, I don't think a home-and-home or a straight 2-for-1 is going to happen. If anything happens, there will be a fig leaf of some sort, in the form of a "neutral site" game, either in Jacksonville or at Camping World or maybe in the Miami area. Either a road-home-neutral, or more likely a 2-1-1 with 2 games in Gainesville, 1 at UCF and one "UCF game" at a neutral site.

I'd rate the chances at 60% no deal, 25% a deal involving a neutral site game, 10% UCF caves and does a straight 2-for-1, 5% chance UF caves and does a home-and-home. And if I'm lowballing any option, it's the "no deal" option.

This is a game that can wait. UF still thinks of them selves a big time, they have not been that for quite a while. Heck they were 5-7 last year.

(12-16-2018 11:20 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  This is a game that can wait. UF still thinks of them selves a big time, they have not been that for quite a while. Heck they were 5-7 last year.

You don't seem to realize that "big time" or really any time, has zero to do with results on the field. Florida is an elite Power program regardless of their record in a given year.

Good thing, too, as didn't UCF go 0-12 just three years ago?

Quote:Fair enough - if UCF does get a 1 for 1 with UF, I'll eat my crow.

Wouldn't be a big shocker if they agreed on home team takes 100%. Especially if scheduled a couple years out, where chances of UCF being at This peak are slim.

Quote:UF still thinks of them selves a big time, they have not been that for quite a while. Heck they were 5-7 last year.

5-7 in the SEC is better than 7-5 in the G5. And that's an uncommon down year for Florida. It would be no surprising factor for UCF (except hardcore fans who follow them closely) several years back or several years forward.

(12-15-2018 12:02 PM)otown Wrote:  Gonna be quite funny to see what all the ass hats from fantasyland have to say if this gets scheduled under better terms. Looks like White gonna follow up with Stricklin to get something done.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.c...84783/Amp/

That’s kind of been my assumption this entire time. My guess is we get either 1 inthe Citrus Bowl and 1 in Gainesville or some kind of 2-1 with UCF getting the first game and some sort of payout

USF has 2 and 1 with Louisville, Texas, and Florida. 2 game with NC State and BYU.

Florida, like most P5 schools doesn't have much flexibility. They need 7 home games, have 4 SEC home games, a rotating game with FSU. So every other year they need 3 home games OOC, the others 2 home and 1 road. This is typical of P5 schools. Generally they have in addition a 10th P5 opponent which will either be home and home series or a neutral site. That doesn't leave many if any slots for a G5 opponent to host them.

It's a financial reality. UCF cannot put up the money required to get an A-list P5 school in a home and home. They can do so with a B list P5 such as BC, K State, Wake or Virginia. But not with an A-list.

Good luck pulling it off. But the financial realities make it unlikely Florida will relent on that.

(12-10-2018 06:13 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-10-2018 12:28 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  I would like to see the 2 and 1 series as long as the first game is at Spectrum stadium. UT had a 2 and 1 and played the first game at UCF then cancelled the third which made it a 1 and 1. I am not a fan of UT, but respect them for it.

Take the series, as long as the first game is at Spectrum. Make UF come to our house.

I understand the concern if you're UCF. That said, just make the buyout high enough (say $10 million per game played at the other team's stadium) and then don't worry about it.

That is realistic. We are talking UF. They are not going to do a 2 to3 mill payout.

(12-12-2018 07:26 PM)otown Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 04:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 01:47 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 12:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  As this is a chance to play a top P5 three times rather than just two like a 1 for 1, it is even more damning against UCF.

Not really - it makes it more apparent that Florida will only give UCF games if it gets an advantage out of it. Does Florida play anyone of note OOC on the road?

IIRC, Florida plays FSU, an elite P5 and one of the most successful programs of the past 30 years, on the road every other year, like this year.

And Florida is doing a 2 for 1 with USF, and IIRC, in the last three years they have done 1 and none's (home game only at UF, no returns) with ECU and North Texas, EMU, Toledo, and New Mexico Stare. Really, since the standard for UF is to schedule 1 and 0's with G5s, a 1 and 1 would be treating UCF better than any other G5 including fellow AAC members USF (the same) and ECU (better).

UCF just has zero justification for turning down deals that are the norm between SEC and AAC teams. It makes them look like chicken-hawks.

I will not walk into fantasy land with you again, however, to keep sanity in this place, I will only state the known facts.
1. No offer was made to UCF
2. A hypothetical was discussed by Stricklin during an interview by the press about they will only schedule 2 for 1s with G5 teams
3. Stricklin admitted that he has not talked with White
4. White came out and stated publicly, as he has done in the past as well, that UCF will not degrade themselves to schedule 2 for 1s. They have had no problem keeping at minimum 2 P5s on their schedule each year. They are scheduling them when they are rather strong, unfortunately, a few of these P5 teams crap the bed a half a decade later when it is time to play the games.

Now, about that UF series with USF
We fleeced you all. USF was desperate for anything.
USF gets paid $375,000 for each trip to the Swamp.
UF gets paid $250,000 by USF plus 12,000 tickets to play in Ray Jay, a stadium 2 hours drive away with a non existent home fanbase. Defacto home game, plus we get paid.

Great point, but is falling on deaf ears if you think he is a real USF fan.

(12-16-2018 03:52 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Fair enough - if UCF does get a 1 for 1 with UF, I'll eat my crow.

Wouldn't be a big shocker if they agreed on home team takes 100%. Especially if scheduled a couple years out, where chances of UCF being at This peak are slim.

Quote:UF still thinks of them selves a big time, they have not been that for quite a while. Heck they were 5-7 last year.

5-7 in the SEC is better than 7-5 in the G5. And that's an uncommon down year for Florida. It would be no surprising factor for UCF (except hardcore fans who follow them closely) several years back or several years forward.

They've had two uncommon years in the last 5 years. One more and it's a trend.

(12-16-2018 08:40 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  USF has 2 and 1 with Louisville, Texas, and Florida. 2 game with NC State and BYU.

Florida, like most P5 schools doesn't have much flexibility. They need 7 home games, have 4 SEC home games, a rotating game with FSU. So every other year they need 3 home games OOC, the others 2 home and 1 road. This is typical of P5 schools. Generally they have in addition a 10th P5 opponent which will either be home and home series or a neutral site. That doesn't leave many if any slots for a G5 opponent to host them.

It's a financial reality. UCF cannot put up the money required to get an A-list P5 school in a home and home. They can do so with a B list P5 such as BC, K State, Wake or Virginia. But not with an A-list.

Good luck pulling it off. But the financial realities make it unlikely Florida will relent on that.

And they only have that every other year because of playing Georgia in Jacksonville.

Interesting back and forth. Temporarily disable Java to get by the paywall.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/o...story.html

(12-18-2018 12:37 PM)otown Wrote:  Interesting back and forth. Temporarily disable Java to get by the paywall.

I give your AD credit, he's doing his job, trying to promote his program with the 1 for 1 policy. But of course UF isn't obligated to bend its policy either. So if I was the UF AD I wouldn't reply to him any more, other than something like "well, have a happy holiday, if you change your mind about a 2 for 1, give me a ring".

There's nothing else to say.