(06-03-2019 01:36 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Next up:

USF signs 2-1 with Rutgers

No, but UCF signing a home and home with UAB isn't off the table...

USFFan

(06-03-2019 01:36 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 10:14 AM)usffan Wrote:  

Can't wait for the pearl clutching...

USFFan

the ucf/usf-ers need to keep their in fighting to themselves.

as I understand it's a 2 year home-home plus a million dollar 'buy game' @AR

Actually, the primary pearl clutcher is a Tulsa fan...

USFFan

(06-03-2019 11:26 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Arkansas the past 10 years...

• 64-62 Record
• 2 Top 25 finishes
• 1 Top 10 finish
• 6 Bowl bids, 67% winning percentage
  

UCF the past 10 years...

• 86-44 Record
• 4 Top 25 Finishes
• 3 Top 10 Finishes
• 8 Bowl bids, 50% Winning percentage
  

So when UCF is in the P5, would you do a 2 for 1 with us Memphis? I'd ask USF, but i'm certain they'd have no issue either.

when UCF become P5 it means things have gotten SO bad that Memphis, and USF will be right there with you...so it's a moot point.

see UCF's Big East membership lol

(06-03-2019 01:38 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:36 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Next up:

USF signs 2-1 with Rutgers

No, but UCF signing a home and home with UAB isn't off the table...

USFFan

My question isn't that off the wall. We shared a conference as recently as 2013 with both teams and USF did a 2-1 with Louisville. Rutgers then would be yet another prime 2-1 candidate, especially given that Memphis just did a 2-1 with a bottom feeder P5 program as well.

again, it's technically not a 2-for-1

it's a 2 year home-home plus a 1 time 'buy game' for 1 million dollars

(06-03-2019 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  again, it's technically not a 2-for-1

it's a 2 year home-home plus a 1 time 'buy game' for 1 million dollars

lol what? The series calls for Memphis playing at Arkansas twice and them playing in Memphis once.

No amount of attempted clever semantics is going to change the fact that 2 trips there and 1 trip back amounts to a 2-1 series and not a home and home.

(06-03-2019 01:45 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  again, it's technically not a 2-for-1

it's a 2 year home-home plus a 1 time 'buy game' for 1 million dollars

lol what? The series calls for Memphis playing at Arkansas twice and them playing in Memphis once.

No amount of attempted clever semantics is going to change the fact that 2 trips there and 1 trip back amounts to a 2-1 series and not a home and home.

it matters because of the 1 million dollars...if it was truly a 2 for 1 they wouldn't have to pay us for that game. (THAT would upset me)

those of us not in a P5 conference are fighting for crumbs and 1 million dollars adds nicely to our pile of crumbs.

I'd be down to do the same with UTK if they want to cut Memphis a 7 figure check.

(06-03-2019 01:41 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:38 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:36 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Next up:

USF signs 2-1 with Rutgers

No, but UCF signing a home and home with UAB isn't off the table...

USFFan

My question isn't that off the wall. We shared a conference as recently as 2013 with both teams and USF did a 2-1 with Louisville. Rutgers then would be yet another prime 2-1 candidate, especially given that Memphis just did a 2-1 with a bottom feeder P5 program as well.

My comment was also accurate. I believe we are far more likely to see a UCF/UAB home and home than we are USF doing a 2 for 1 with Rutgers. Blame whatever you like, including the fact that USF is about out of room for 2 for 1's for a while. But in the grand scheme of things, Louisville, who is 3 years removed from having a Heisman winning QB and has Sugar, Orange and Fiesta Bowl trophies in their case, is not any more equal to Rutgers than Wake Forest is to Arkansas (a prior attempt somebody made at false equivalency).

USFFan

(06-03-2019 10:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Hey, this is life, and life ain't fair. The alternative is not to play any of them. That's dumb.

Define "any"?

Houston has scheduled home and homes with:

Texas Tech X3
Vandy X2
Wash St
Kansas
Colorado
Utah
Louisville
Arizona
Miss State
Oregon
Miami
Oklahoma (home game was Kickoff classic)

(06-03-2019 01:49 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:45 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  again, it's technically not a 2-for-1

it's a 2 year home-home plus a 1 time 'buy game' for 1 million dollars

lol what? The series calls for Memphis playing at Arkansas twice and them playing in Memphis once.

No amount of attempted clever semantics is going to change the fact that 2 trips there and 1 trip back amounts to a 2-1 series and not a home and home.

it matters because of the 1 million dollars...if it was truly a 2 for 1 they wouldn't have to pay us for that game. (THAT would upset me)

those of us not in a P5 conference are fighting for crumbs and 1 million dollars adds nicely to our pile of crumbs.

I'd be down to do the same with UTK if they want to cut Memphis a 7 figure check.

It's still a 2-1, they're just paying $1M to make that 2-1 happen.

(06-03-2019 01:49 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:41 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:38 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:36 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Next up:

USF signs 2-1 with Rutgers

No, but UCF signing a home and home with UAB isn't off the table...

USFFan

My question isn't that off the wall. We shared a conference as recently as 2013 with both teams and USF did a 2-1 with Louisville. Rutgers then would be yet another prime 2-1 candidate, especially given that Memphis just did a 2-1 with a bottom feeder P5 program as well.

My comment was also accurate. I believe we are far more likely to see a UCF/UAB home and home than we are USF doing a 2 for 1 with Rutgers. Blame whatever you like, including the fact that USF is about out of room for 2 for 1's for a while. But in the grand scheme of things, Louisville, who is 3 years removed from having a Heisman winning QB and has Sugar, Orange and Fiesta Bowl trophies in their case, is not any more equal to Rutgers than Wake Forest is to Arkansas (a prior attempt somebody made at false equivalency).

USFFan

Yes, and Louisville signed a 1-1 with UCF. Do you see my point?

(06-03-2019 12:41 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 12:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Some people apparently don't understand the Memphis area with regard to sports. We're right in the middle of sec Country and playing local SEC teams is a positive for Memphis. First is probably a sell-out about 60,000 seats stadium and second, will be at the top of local sports talk daring that week - not only at the water cooler but in the sports media. It's a win-win as far as I'm concerned.

Would not have all of this been true just the same if you demanded, and got, a 1-1 deal with Arkansas?

You guys just came off a friggin home and home with UCLA. There's little reason to think you couldn't have gotten one with Arkansas who occupies the SEC cellar every year with Vanderbilt.

(06-03-2019 01:35 PM)TxTiger79 Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:27 PM)IamYourDad Wrote:  This conference is a damn joke

A 2-1 with Bama I understand
A 2-1 with UF and even Miami can be argued for

BUT Arkansas???

Anyone who signs a 2-1 with Arkansas should automatically be demoted to the MAC

Congratulations I didn't think UCF could do it but it is now official you have dethroned Texas Tech as the worst fan base in sports.

In our defense we’ve been working on that title for years now

(06-03-2019 01:52 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 10:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Hey, this is life, and life ain't fair. The alternative is not to play any of them. That's dumb.

Define "any"?

Houston has scheduled home and homes with:

Texas Tech X3
Vandy X2
Wash St
Kansas
Colorado
Utah
Louisville
Arizona
Miss State
Oregon
Miami
Oklahoma (home game was Kickoff classic)

Temple was able to get home and home series' with Penn State, Miami, Boston College, Maryland - only 2 for 1 I can think of on future schedule is with Oklahoma. The entire conference needs to stop doing 2 for 1s with mid-tier teams but I get that it's better to do a 2-1 than to not get the games at all.

(06-03-2019 01:52 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 10:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Hey, this is life, and life ain't fair. The alternative is not to play any of them. That's dumb.

Define "any"?

Houston has scheduled home and homes with:

Texas Tech X3
Vandy X2
Wash St
Kansas
Colorado
Utah
Louisville
Arizona
Miss State
Oregon
Miami

How many have you signed in the last 5 years (since the BCS died and the CFP replaced it)? We can also point to home and homes we've had with FSU, Miami and Pitt. We also have had some with Wisconsin, Georgia Tech and Illinois. But in the current climate, those are becoming far more scarce. Which is why I'm glad USF was on the forefront of this...

USFFan

(06-03-2019 01:57 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:49 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:41 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:38 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:36 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Next up:

USF signs 2-1 with Rutgers

No, but UCF signing a home and home with UAB isn't off the table...

USFFan

My question isn't that off the wall. We shared a conference as recently as 2013 with both teams and USF did a 2-1 with Louisville. Rutgers then would be yet another prime 2-1 candidate, especially given that Memphis just did a 2-1 with a bottom feeder P5 program as well.

My comment was also accurate. I believe we are far more likely to see a UCF/UAB home and home than we are USF doing a 2 for 1 with Rutgers. Blame whatever you like, including the fact that USF is about out of room for 2 for 1's for a while. But in the grand scheme of things, Louisville, who is 3 years removed from having a Heisman winning QB and has Sugar, Orange and Fiesta Bowl trophies in their case, is not any more equal to Rutgers than Wake Forest is to Arkansas (a prior attempt somebody made at false equivalency).

USFFan

Yes, and Louisville signed a 1-1 with UCF. Do you see my point?

That it's equivalent to Rutgers? No.

USFFan

(06-03-2019 02:00 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 12:41 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 12:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Some people apparently don't understand the Memphis area with regard to sports. We're right in the middle of sec Country and playing local SEC teams is a positive for Memphis. First is probably a sell-out about 60,000 seats stadium and second, will be at the top of local sports talk daring that week - not only at the water cooler but in the sports media. It's a win-win as far as I'm concerned.

Would not have all of this been true just the same if you demanded, and got, a 1-1 deal with Arkansas?

You guys just came off a friggin home and home with UCLA. There's little reason to think you couldn't have gotten one with Arkansas who occupies the SEC cellar every year with Vanderbilt.

(06-03-2019 01:35 PM)TxTiger79 Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 01:27 PM)IamYourDad Wrote:  This conference is a damn joke

A 2-1 with Bama I understand
A 2-1 with UF and even Miami can be argued for

BUT Arkansas???

Anyone who signs a 2-1 with Arkansas should automatically be demoted to the MAC

Congratulations I didn't think UCF could do it but it is now official you have dethroned Texas Tech as the worst fan base in sports.

In our defense we’ve been working on that title for years now

LOL...

USFFan

(06-03-2019 02:01 PM)usffan Wrote:  How many have you signed in the last 5 years (since the BCS died and the CFP replaced it)?

All but Miss St, Miami and Oregon.

(06-03-2019 10:24 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 10:16 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  That has to be false. Fake news. Memphis wouldn't do something to damage the AAC like that. Its beneath them and they know that UCF fans will scold them harshly for not living up to the pipe dream aspirations that they have.


with all sarcasm set aside, nice Series Memphis. Go hammer those pigs.

the fear was that usf would create a trend and normalize it...making it harder for other aac to get 1 and 1s..aftecting negaotions for other AAC teams in scheduling games

usf fans posting other aac doin 2 for 1s right after them isnt vindication for usf...its the opposite, its exactly what we feared

Gotcha...b/c the alternative scheduling approaches were working so well.

(06-03-2019 11:49 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 11:29 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 10:24 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 10:16 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  That has to be false. Fake news. Memphis wouldn't do something to damage the AAC like that. Its beneath them and they know that UCF fans will scold them harshly for not living up to the pipe dream aspirations that they have.


with all sarcasm set aside, nice Series Memphis. Go hammer those pigs.

the fear was that usf would create a trend and normalize it...making it harder for other aac to get 1 and 1s..aftecting negaotions for other AAC teams in scheduling games

usf fans posting other aac doin 2 for 1s right after them isnt vindication for usf...its the opposite, its exactly what we feared

That's utterly ridiculous. Memphis or anyone else can demand whatever agreements they wish... We don't negotiate as a group, it's individual schools. If it rains today are you going to blame USF?

im guessing alot of usf fans here are art majors or something...and have very little business acumen

if you dont believe market value affects negotiations then this conversation is way above your head

a very simple example for you:
--a few years ago you could get buy games for as little as 200k, a few high level mid majors didnt like that as they believe the should get more...but why would a team give their team 1 mill when they can get another for 200k. they by default had to lower their rates to compete wit the other 200k..

--the higher level mid majors solution was to have conference mandates that you werent allowed to do buy games for less than a million..that instantly changed the market

--today its practically impossible to get a buy game for less than 1mil even for conferences without the mandate

if all of this is going still going above your head ..thats fine.....this conversation wasnt meant for you

Great way to debate... open and close with insults. I yield to your superior debating skills (Sarcasm Sign).

LOTS has changed in College Football over the past decade. LOTS. Muddled in the realignment fiasco is the status of the AAC as 'tweener', and on the 'outside'. Yet all the scheduling woes are the fault of USF. Sure dude...

There was a time a few years back when the chatter was that the P5 would not schedule G5 at all. UCF won a NC (in my opinion) but didn't get the access due to subject SOS arguments... meaning we all need MORE P5 on our schedules. Yet they don't have to play us at all. We don't have a bargaining chip against the P5. This and many other factors play into making a 2-1 attractive upon occasion, for now, for some AAC teams. You are free to disagree...

(06-03-2019 01:52 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-03-2019 10:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Hey, this is life, and life ain't fair. The alternative is not to play any of them. That's dumb.

Define "any"?

Houston has scheduled home and homes with:

Texas Tech X3
Vandy X2
Wash St
Kansas
Colorado
Utah
Louisville
Arizona
Miss State
Oregon
Miami
Oklahoma (home game was Kickoff classic)

Sorry. "Any" for Memphis means any that Memphis fans give a crap about. Namely, Tennessee, Arky or Ole Miss. All of them drop games in Memphis as soon as we start getting good. This prevents that, and fills up our stadium. We're playing Missouri, too.