This conference sucks so bad it's making USF look good. Oh wait, I messed that up, sorry UConn.

(06-27-2019 06:51 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  I think he will have to sit a year. Unless he has a sick grandparent/parent.

That doesn't work anymore, you need to have been called a name or not gonna start next season. Important stuff.

(06-27-2019 08:28 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Houston = flagship... pin this

How long till we get the highlight package of Grimes to show how good he is?

(06-28-2019 08:43 AM)JRR_IV Wrote:  How long till we get the highlight package of Grimes to show how good he is?

no need
- the 5star top 10 rating
- MVP of The Team USA FIBA U18 Gold team
- starter on 36 out of the 36 games Kansas played last season that finished top 15 (over other elite players)

sometimes the resume just speaks for itself

(06-28-2019 08:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:43 AM)JRR_IV Wrote:  How long till we get the highlight package of Grimes to show how good he is?

no need
- the 5star top 10 rating
- MVP of The Team USA FIBA U18 Gold team
- starter on 36 out of the 36 games Kansas played last season that finished top 15 (over other elite players)

sometimes the resume just speaks for itself

Yes it does...

8.7 Player Efficiency Rating
-10.2 Net Rating
.496 True Shooting

27.4 minutes huge sample

Negative team rating. The team lost pretty bad per 100 possessions with him on the court which is saying something when you are starting and playing 27.4 minutes a game at Kansas with that quality of players around hm. He was the dead weight clearly and the team had to be rescued the 12 minutes he wasn't on the court from the damage he had done.

Why people care so much about what he was ranked or did in high school when he has a record like that in big minutes like that. He has on the job performance now. High school is ancillary info at this point that should be pushed well to the bottom of anything that really matters. Maybe he gets better, but he was dog crap last year, and that's likely why Kansas moved on as much as him moving on.

(06-28-2019 09:54 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:43 AM)JRR_IV Wrote:  How long till we get the highlight package of Grimes to show how good he is?

no need
- the 5star top 10 rating
- MVP of The Team USA FIBA U18 Gold team
- starter on 36 out of the 36 games Kansas played last season that finished top 15 (over other elite players)

sometimes the resume just speaks for itself

Yes it does...

8.7 Player Efficiency Rating
-10.2 Net Rating
.496 True Shooting


Negative team rating. The team lost pretty bad per 100 possessions with him on the court which is saying something when you are starting and playing 27.4 minutes a game at Kansas with that quality of players around hm. He was the dead weight clearly and the team had to be rescued the 12 minutes he wasn't on the court from the damage he had done.

Why people care so much about what he was ranked or did in high school when he has a record like that in big minutes like that. It's ancillary info at this point that should be pushed well to the bottom of anything that really matters. Maybe he gets better, but he was dog crap last year, and that's likely way Kansas moved on as much as him moving on.

YES!!! i was waiting for you...the minute the grimes to houston rumors started the first thing i thought about was our grimes conversation mid season..

im not going to debate you. becuase you just have really bad basketball notions...but i love that we get to put our theories to the test!!!! i really hope he gets the waiver

youve overhyped juco stats, overhyped PER, overhyped jayden gardner

a few months ago you said only an idiot would take nate hinton over jayden garnder, and stated he wasn't very good, and have called grimes trash non stop since our midseason convo...

we get to see what is valued more....
should be a competitive game LMAO!!!!

and stop it kansas didnt "move on"... Bill Self literally called grimes one of the most skilled guards he has ever coached in his history like 3 months ago, started him over numerous other elite recruits and was a guaranteed starter if he came back.....stop it..

(06-28-2019 09:54 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:43 AM)JRR_IV Wrote:  How long till we get the highlight package of Grimes to show how good he is?

no need
- the 5star top 10 rating
- MVP of The Team USA FIBA U18 Gold team
- starter on 36 out of the 36 games Kansas played last season that finished top 15 (over other elite players)

sometimes the resume just speaks for itself

Yes it does...

8.7 Player Efficiency Rating
-10.2 Net Rating
.496 True Shooting

27.4 minutes huge sample

Negative team rating. The team lost pretty bad per 100 possessions with him on the court which is saying something when you are starting and playing 27.4 minutes a game at Kansas with that quality of players around hm. He was the dead weight clearly and the team had to be rescued the 12 minutes he wasn't on the court from the damage he had done.

Why people care so much about what he was ranked or did in high school when he has a record like that in big minutes like that. He has on the job performance now. High school is ancillary info at this point that should be pushed well to the bottom of anything that really matters. Maybe he gets better, but he was dog crap last year, and that's likely why Kansas moved on as much as him moving on.

And even with all of that, Goodman still has him as the number 1 transfer in the entire country.

4, 5, or 6 bids?
The real question is: will the AAC out-perform the New BE in the NCAA?

This soon to be Soph wants to play right away...so it will be interesting to see if the NCAA really wants to start denying all of these waivers which they have approved of lately?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...o-houston/

(06-28-2019 10:12 AM)pesik Wrote:  YES!!! i was waiting for you...the minute the grimes to houston rumors started the first thing i thought about was our grimes conversation mid season..

im not going to debate you. becuase you just have really bad basketball notions...but i love that we get to put our theories to the test!!!! i really hope he gets the waiver

What theories. I've only said he was a trash fire this past year and that's already in the books, it's not changing and that's a fact. He was about horrawful as you can get. I have not once said he couldn't improve.

Infact I said he might get better, but good god lets not pretend he's this 5 star player above reproach after this past year. This is like buying a lambo and after a year it's rusted out beat to hell and smoking and you still claiming it's worth 300k. He has to redeem himself and undo a lot of what he's proven he can't to this point. The fact is that usually doesn't happen if you want me to project out and play the odds.

Quote:youve overhyped juco stats, overhyped PER, overhyped jayden gardner

a few months ago you said only an idiot would take nate hinton over jayden garnder, and stated he wasn't very good, and have called grimes trash non stop since our midseason convo...

Context. I said he wasn't the best freshman in the conference like you were trying to claim mid season when he struggled in the OOC. That was all true, it ridiculous talk at that point. I never said he couldn't get better or had no hope, but his level turnaround from that point on was highly usual .

The logic and methods I used on what was actually happening on a court at that point were all sound in comparison to your blind faith and belief in the church of HS rankings gospel you preach. Many of them are total bust and while nothing is ever going to be right 100% I'll put my record against yours any day of the week knowing your flawed fundamentals looking back to high school opinions crap.

Hinton ended up with fairly productive numbers unlike Grimes. Heck crap on my methods and tools but they end up saying he was pretty solid by the end of the year when he actually put in value that moved it there, and I would move my position accordingly with them. You can only go on the info you have at the time, it captures value where their is value, but he wasn't bringing any when we had our conversation. That's a fact.

I wouldn't trade Gardner for either one of them. He still had better per minute numbers in a crappier ecosystem, with all the pressure on him as a #1 banana focal point of the defense every night. It should be easy to be a role player on Kansas and make open shots and be a positive cog in the wheel which he wasn't.

Quote:we get to see what is valued more....
should be a competitive game LMAO!!!!

and stop it kansas didnt "move on"... Bill Self literally called grimes one of the most skilled guards he has ever coached in his history like 3 months ago, started him over numerous other elite recruits and was a guaranteed starter if he came back.....stop it..

Sure thing. Coaches say a lot of BS. I bet he had a party knowning he didn't have to play him or have any more promises to uphold after that disaster year with the replacement level that is available to him.

(06-28-2019 01:30 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  What theories. I've only said he was a trash fire this past year and that's already in the books, it's not changing and that's a fact. He was about horrawful as you can get.

Sure thing. Coaches say a lot of BS. I bet he had a party knowning he didn't have to play him or have any more promises to uphold after that disaster year with the replacement level that is available to him.

like i said i wont debate you...
but here is the full game of texas tech (went to the national championship)..it was an absolute destruction by kansas..KU up 20 at half

grimes only had 6points, on 33% shooting... *sarcasm* what a horrible game for grimes

oH but look NBA lottery pick Jarret Culver had a dreadful game and couldnt get any points ..im curious who was guarding him .. oh ..oh right quentin grimes
https://youtu.be/yZ0iUuC-5AQ

im curious how coach got out keeping the promises for playing time for the 6 elite recruits he put on the bench behind grimes

--your obsession wit using PER to define "trash" is silly to me....galen robinson has a career PER of 10...graduated a legend at UH...
im just curious what the spurs are doing giving a chance to a 6'0 ft guard with a college career per of 10

but good luck with that

(06-27-2019 09:59 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 07:31 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 07:06 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  good pick up

UH will continue to be TOUGH as long as Sampson stays.

This year is going to be insane. We should be looking at 3 to 4 ranked teams at once hopefully and 4-5 ncaa teams.

6 bid league, mark it down.

I’m a homer, but it’s realistic for sure. Should be a fun year in the AAC.


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Houston
Memphis
Cincinnati
Temple
Wichita State

(06-28-2019 03:23 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 09:59 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 07:31 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 07:06 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  good pick up

UH will continue to be TOUGH as long as Sampson stays.

This year is going to be insane. We should be looking at 3 to 4 ranked teams at once hopefully and 4-5 ncaa teams.

6 bid league, mark it down.

I’m a homer, but it’s realistic for sure. Should be a fun year in the AAC.


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Houston
Memphis
Cincinnati
Temple
Wichita State

I would add UConn and USF into the mix. Can't imagine us getting more than 5 but I see a couple of our teams just missing as well.

(06-28-2019 03:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 01:30 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  What theories. I've only said he was a trash fire this past year and that's already in the books, it's not changing and that's a fact. He was about horrawful as you can get.

Sure thing. Coaches say a lot of BS. I bet he had a party knowning he didn't have to play him or have any more promises to uphold after that disaster year with the replacement level that is available to him.

like i said i wont debate you...
but here is the full game of texas tech (went to the national championship)..it was an absolute destruction by kansas..KU up 20 at half

grimes only had 6points, on 33% shooting... *sarcasm* what a horrible game for grimes

oH but look NBA lottery pick Jarret Culver had a dreadful game and couldnt get any points ..im curious who was guarding him .. oh ..oh right quentin grimes
https://youtu.be/yZ0iUuC-5AQ

im curious how coach got out keeping the promises for playing time for the 6 elite recruits he put on the bench behind grimes

--your obsession wit using PER to define "trash" is silly to me....galen robinson has a career PER of 10...graduated a legend at UH...
im just curious what the spurs are doing giving a chance to a 6'0 ft guard with a college career per of 10

but good luck with that

Grimes defensive rating was terrible compared to the guys around him and he clearly was the soft spot , as was his overall net rating and that's every minute he played, not handpicked try to prove a point bias BS.

Culver 25.1 PER, +22.0 net rating vs Grimes 8.7 PER, -10.2 net rating. Who cares what he did in one game, do you think that 1 game out of 35+ defined either of them for the season or as players. It's this kind of garbage logic, it's the stupidest logic ever is to try to say Grimes is good because of one performance out of 35 whatever when we have every minute accounted for in both in their numbers. Obviously the one game tells you nothing of real value.

BTW Galen robinson didn't have a "10" PER, he had a 15.8 PER in his senior year and a 13.3 career PER. 15.0 is the adjusted average. There is a massive difference between 15.8 and 10 or 8.7 on this scale. Nothing wrong with Robinson, it rates him as doing above average things on the court. If there is value to be given it will show up somewhere on PER or in net rating defensive rating etc. For Grimes they were all terrible.

Say what you want about Grimes and his PER, but you're crazy if you think Dooley wouldn't give his left nut to have him suiting up in the purple and gold. You don't get a top 10 recruiting rating and 36 starts as a freshman for a blue blood if you're not an elite talent.

(06-28-2019 03:49 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 03:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 01:30 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  What theories. I've only said he was a trash fire this past year and that's already in the books, it's not changing and that's a fact. He was about horrawful as you can get.

Sure thing. Coaches say a lot of BS. I bet he had a party knowning he didn't have to play him or have any more promises to uphold after that disaster year with the replacement level that is available to him.

like i said i wont debate you...
but here is the full game of texas tech (went to the national championship)..it was an absolute destruction by kansas..KU up 20 at half

grimes only had 6points, on 33% shooting... *sarcasm* what a horrible game for grimes

oH but look NBA lottery pick Jarret Culver had a dreadful game and couldnt get any points ..im curious who was guarding him .. oh ..oh right quentin grimes
https://youtu.be/yZ0iUuC-5AQ

im curious how coach got out keeping the promises for playing time for the 6 elite recruits he put on the bench behind grimes

--your obsession wit using PER to define "trash" is silly to me....galen robinson has a career PER of 10...graduated a legend at UH...
im just curious what the spurs are doing giving a chance to a 6'0 ft guard with a college career per of 10

but good luck with that

Grimes defensive rating was terrible compared to the guys around him and he clearly was the soft spot , as was his overall net rating and that's every minute he played, not handpicked try to prove a point bias BS.

Culver 25.1 PER, +22.0 net rating vs Grimes 8.7 PER, -10.2 net rating. Who cares what he did in one game, do you think that 1 game out of 35+ defined either of them for the season or as players. It's this kind of garbage logic, it's the stupidest logic ever is to try to say Grimes is good because of one performance out of 35 whatever when we have every minute accounted for in both in their numbers. Obviously the one game tells you nothing of real value.

BTW Galen robinson didn't have a "10" PER, he had a 15.8 PER in his senior year and a 13.3 career PER. 15.0 is the adjusted average. There is a massive difference between 15.8 and 10 or 8.7 on this scale. Nothing wrong with Robinson, it rates him as doing above average things on the court. If there is value to be given it will show up somewhere on PER or in net rating defensive rating etc. For Grimes they were all terrible.

Whats your point? Are you saying Grimes will suck at Houston and wouldn't start at ECU?

(06-28-2019 03:49 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 03:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 01:30 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  What theories. I've only said he was a trash fire this past year and that's already in the books, it's not changing and that's a fact. He was about horrawful as you can get.

Sure thing. Coaches say a lot of BS. I bet he had a party knowning he didn't have to play him or have any more promises to uphold after that disaster year with the replacement level that is available to him.

like i said i wont debate you...
but here is the full game of texas tech (went to the national championship)..it was an absolute destruction by kansas..KU up 20 at half

grimes only had 6points, on 33% shooting... *sarcasm* what a horrible game for grimes

oH but look NBA lottery pick Jarret Culver had a dreadful game and couldnt get any points ..im curious who was guarding him .. oh ..oh right quentin grimes
https://youtu.be/yZ0iUuC-5AQ

im curious how coach got out keeping the promises for playing time for the 6 elite recruits he put on the bench behind grimes

--your obsession wit using PER to define "trash" is silly to me....galen robinson has a career PER of 10...graduated a legend at UH...
im just curious what the spurs are doing giving a chance to a 6'0 ft guard with a college career per of 10

but good luck with that

Grimes defensive rating was terrible, as was his overall net rating and that's every minute he played, not handpicked try to prove a point bias BS.

Culver 25.1 PER, +22.0 net rating vs Grimes 8.7 PER, -10.2 net rating. Who cares what he did in one game, do you think that 1 game out of 35+ defined either of them for the season or as players. It's this kind of garbage logic that makes me wonder why I even waste time on you. It's the stupidest logic ever is to try to say Grimes is good because of one performance when we have every minute accounted for in both in their numbers. It is what it is.

BTW Galen robinson didn't have a "10" PER, he had a 15.8 PER in his senior year and a 13.3 career PER. 15.0 is the adjusted average. There is a massive difference between 15.8 and 10 or 8.7 on this scale. If there is value to be given it will show up on PER or in net rating defensively.

you wanted me to post every game of the season???? the point of me posting a full game was to remove the bias of highlights and i just chose a high profile game

no offense..you are either an idiot or fight common sense ...
my whole point was that if you watched film youd see he contributed more than the stats indicated i just piked the game vs the most high profile big 12 team..
you can watch ANY game film of his you want dont let me choose....
quite a few on youtube for free

my point: hall of fame coach didnt start grimes for nothing. 100% chance he knows more than you
id bet money you didnt watch a single kansas game all season

i noted galen's career PER but your responded with his senior PER....
my point being PER means nothing, as galen has been noted as the most important player in houston basketball the last 25 years by people within our program as a 4 years starter with bad career PER

i post stats for every juco, showed 100% had the same effect...you nitpick that some are a small sample sizes,

you pretend to know things, when you dont...your juco thing atleast 17 people in here have told you you were wrong, from every single fanbase but you wont admit it..how dumb of a point that is
you based an entire point on kevin pelton, i googled kevin pelton and he says doing that is dumb nor has he ever studied juco

(06-28-2019 04:11 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Say what you want about Grimes and his PER, but you're crazy if you think Dooley wouldn't give his left nut to have him suiting up in the purple and gold. You don't get a top 10 recruiting rating and 36 starts as a freshman for a blue blood if you're not an elite talent.

he does mental gymnastics to prove points to support ECU

jayden gardner has historic level PER: he now uses PER as the end all be all to decide who is good, and said he was the best player in the entire conference last year and every coach in america if they were building a team from aac players would take gardener 1st

ecu is getting tons of jucos with good 3pts shooting percentages : so to him juco shooting percentages will hold .even though they obviously will not....he refuses to look at any evidence that says otherwise...

-- his angst against grimes started midseason...when grimes was still at kansas, i used grimes as a example (before coming to UH was a thing) against his coach theory.. i said grimes is not having a very efficient offensive year even though he is doing 9pt per game and PER isnt great because of it... but almost every coach in america is taking grimes over gardener (this was before coming to UH btw, not a homer convo)
--since then his been adamantly trying to prove grimes is pure trash and no coach would

(06-28-2019 04:11 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Say what you want about Grimes and his PER, but you're crazy if you think Dooley wouldn't give his left nut to have him suiting up in the purple and gold. You don't get a top 10 recruiting rating and 36 starts as a freshman for a blue blood if you're not an elite talent.

ECU will never sniff a player like Quentin Grimes.