Some programs are up right now and others are down. We tend to only remember the recent. I’d be interested to see this repeated in a few years when the power shifts among teams. South Alabama has been decent historically in basketball, and it looks like we have turned the corner under Coach Riley. I hope we see the same happen for football now that we have an on campus stadium to go along with our practice facilities and field house. Teams can no longer negatively recruit against us for playing in Ladd Stadium!

Marshall fans have a lot of responses. A lot of them named their team in the number 1 slot, though (heh).

It seems in most Sun Belt fan bases a majority of fans like the set up, except for App fans whose 30 respondees are unanimous it's too spread out (they'd probably like it better if we traded UNCC for one of the western SBC teams).

I found myself wanting another option on the second question of “14 is too many, C-USA should have stopped at 12”.

Those Marshall pivot tables are pretty flushed out now ... only lacking teams with clear lack of minority support in the aggregate field. To copypasta as it stands right now:



Votes by Marshall fans


Which of these best describes your current mood toward your current conference affiliation? COUNTA of Who do you root for?
(Marshall/WKU only) I'd rather join the MAC (Mid-American Conference) 12.90%
(NMSU/Liberty/JMU only) I'd rather join whatever forms out of C-USA/Sun Belt in my region 1.61%
Perfectly happy, keep it as-is 4.84%
Too spread out, we need to refocus on a regional conference 80.65%
Grand Total 100.00%



How do you feel about partial membership, specifically schools in for all sports other than football like UT-Arlington and UA-Little Rock? COUNTA of Who do you root for?
I have no problem with partial members 25.81%
No partial members for me thanks 74.19%
Grand Total 100.00%



Team 1 ... Most preferred ... down from there.
Rank the other 9 teams (10 teams = FB title game) you want in your conference from most preferred to least. Be sure to KEEP SCROLLING TO THE RIGHT ----> (and Coastal Carolina is accidentally last) [Team 1: My most preferred team] COUNTA of Who do you root for?
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 4.84%
C-USA: Marshall 38.71% DERP!
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 1.61%
C-USA: Old Dominion 1.61%
C-USA: Southern Miss 6.45%
C-USA: UAB 1.61%
C-USA: Western Kentucky 30.65%
FCS: James Madison 4.84%
Independent: Liberty 1.61%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 8.06%
Grand Total 100.00%




Team 2
Rank the other 9 teams (10 teams = FB title game) you want in your conference from most preferred to least. Be sure to KEEP SCROLLING TO THE RIGHT ----> (and Coastal Carolina is accidentally last) [Team 2] COUNTA of Who do you root for?
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 4.84%
C-USA: Florida International 1.61%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 4.84%
C-USA: Old Dominion 8.06%
C-USA: Southern Miss 12.90%
C-USA: UAB 3.23%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 1.61%
C-USA: Western Kentucky 25.81%
FCS: James Madison 3.23%
Independent: NMSU 1.61%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 22.58%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 4.84%
Sun Belt: Louisiana - Lafayette 3.23%
Sun Belt: Troy 1.61%
Grand Total 100.00%





Team 3
Rank the other 9 teams (10 teams = FB title game) you want in your conference from most preferred to least. Be sure to KEEP SCROLLING TO THE RIGHT ----> (and Coastal Carolina is accidentally last) [Team 3] COUNTA of Who do you root for?
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 4.84%
C-USA: LA Tech 6.45%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 9.68%
C-USA: North Texas 1.61%
C-USA: Old Dominion 6.45%
C-USA: Rice 1.61%
C-USA: Southern Miss 17.74%
C-USA: UAB 1.61%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 11.29%
C-USA: Western Kentucky 11.29%
FCS: James Madison 3.23%
Independent: Liberty 3.23%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 14.52%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 1.61%
Sun Belt: Louisiana - Monroe 3.23%
Sun Belt: Troy 1.61%
Grand Total 100.00%




Team 4
Rank the other 9 teams (10 teams = FB title game) you want in your conference from most preferred to least. Be sure to KEEP SCROLLING TO THE RIGHT ----> (and Coastal Carolina is accidentally last) [Team 4] COUNTA of Who do you root for?
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 3.23%
C-USA: Florida International 1.61%
C-USA: LA Tech 4.84%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 11.29%
C-USA: Old Dominion 9.68%
C-USA: Southern Miss 12.90%
C-USA: UAB 6.45%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 3.23%
C-USA: Western Kentucky 6.45%
FCS: James Madison 6.45%
Independent: Liberty 6.45%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 12.90%
Sun Belt: Arkansas State 3.23%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 3.23%
Sun Belt: South Alabama 1.61%
Sun Belt: Texas - Arlington 1.61%
Sun Belt: Troy 4.84%
Grand Total 100.00%






Team 5
Rank the other 9 teams (10 teams = FB title game) you want in your conference from most preferred to least. Be sure to KEEP SCROLLING TO THE RIGHT ----> (and Coastal Carolina is accidentally last) [Team 5] COUNTA of Who do you root for?
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 6.45%
C-USA: LA Tech 6.45%
C-USA: Marshall 1.61%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 12.90%
C-USA: Old Dominion 6.45%
C-USA: Southern Miss 8.06%
C-USA: UAB 14.52%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 4.84%
C-USA: Western Kentucky 1.61%
FCS: James Madison 1.61%
Independent: Liberty 9.68%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 16.13%
Sun Belt: Arkansas State 1.61%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 3.23%
Sun Belt: Georgia State 3.23%
Sun Belt: Texas State 1.61%
Grand Total 100.00%





Team 6
Rank the other 9 teams (10 teams = FB title game) you want in your conference from most preferred to least. Be sure to KEEP SCROLLING TO THE RIGHT ----> (and Coastal Carolina is accidentally last) [Team 6] COUNTA of Who do you root for?
0.00%
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 5.35%
C-USA: Florida International 2.41%
C-USA: LA Tech 5.61%
C-USA: Marshall 4.55%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 6.95%
C-USA: North Texas 1.07%
C-USA: Old Dominion 4.55%
C-USA: Rice 1.87%
C-USA: Southern Miss 5.08%
C-USA: UAB 5.35%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 6.95%
C-USA: UTEP 1.07%
C-USA: UTSA 1.34%
C-USA: Western Kentucky 6.15%
FCS: James Madison 2.41%
Independent: Liberty 4.55%
Independent: NMSU 0.53%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 3.21%
Sun Belt: Arkansas - Little Rock 0.53%
Sun Belt: Arkansas State 4.55%
Sun Belt: Coastal Carolina 4.81%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 7.22%
Sun Belt: Georgia State 4.81%
Sun Belt: Louisiana - Lafayette 3.74%
Sun Belt: Louisiana - Monroe 1.60%
Sun Belt: South Alabama 1.07%
Sun Belt: Texas - Arlington 0.53%
Sun Belt: Texas State 0.80%
Sun Belt: Troy 1.34%
Grand Total 100.00%





Team 7
Rank the other 9 teams (10 teams = FB title game) you want in your conference from most preferred to least. Be sure to KEEP SCROLLING TO THE RIGHT ----> (and Coastal Carolina is accidentally last) [Team 7] COUNTA of Who do you root for?
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 3.23%
C-USA: Florida International 8.06%
C-USA: LA Tech 6.45%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 11.29%
C-USA: Old Dominion 4.84%
C-USA: Rice 1.61%
C-USA: Southern Miss 8.06%
C-USA: UAB 16.13%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 1.61%
C-USA: UTEP 1.61%
C-USA: Western Kentucky 3.23%
FCS: James Madison 6.45%
Independent: Liberty 4.84%
Independent: NMSU 1.61%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 6.45%
Sun Belt: Arkansas - Little Rock 1.61%
Sun Belt: Arkansas State 1.61%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 4.84%
Sun Belt: Georgia State 4.84%
Sun Belt: Troy 1.61%
Grand Total 100.00%




Team 8
Rank the other 9 teams (10 teams = FB title game) you want in your conference from most preferred to least. Be sure to KEEP SCROLLING TO THE RIGHT ----> (and Coastal Carolina is accidentally last) [Team 8] COUNTA of Who do you root for?
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 12.90%
C-USA: Florida International 6.45%
C-USA: LA Tech 6.45%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 6.45%
C-USA: Old Dominion 4.84%
C-USA: Rice 3.23%
C-USA: Southern Miss 1.61%
C-USA: UAB 6.45%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 6.45%
C-USA: UTSA 3.23%
C-USA: Western Kentucky 4.84%
FCS: James Madison 16.13%
Independent: Liberty 3.23%
Independent: NMSU 1.61%
Sun Belt: Arkansas - Little Rock 1.61%
Sun Belt: Arkansas State 1.61%
Sun Belt: Coastal Carolina 4.84%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 6.45%
Sun Belt: Troy 1.61%
Grand Total 100.00%






Team 9
Rank the other 9 teams (10 teams = FB title game) you want in your conference from most preferred to least. Be sure to KEEP SCROLLING TO THE RIGHT ----> (and Coastal Carolina is accidentally last) [Team 9: My least preferred team] COUNTA of Who do you root for?
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 6.45%
C-USA: Florida International 4.84%
C-USA: LA Tech 1.61%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 6.45%
C-USA: Old Dominion 4.84%
C-USA: Southern Miss 3.23%
C-USA: UAB 16.13%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 8.06%
C-USA: UTEP 6.45%
FCS: James Madison 4.84%
Independent: Liberty 8.06%
Independent: NMSU 3.23%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 6.45%
Sun Belt: Arkansas - Little Rock 1.61%
Sun Belt: Coastal Carolina 4.84%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 3.23%
Sun Belt: Georgia State 3.23%
Sun Belt: Louisiana - Lafayette 1.61%
Sun Belt: Texas - Arlington 1.61%
Sun Belt: Troy 3.23%
Grand Total 100.00%





Team 10: This should be all Marshall, right?
Rank the other 9 teams (10 teams = FB title game) you want in your conference from most preferred to least. Be sure to KEEP SCROLLING TO THE RIGHT ----> (and Coastal Carolina is accidentally last) [Team 10: The team I root for! (or the final team if you're an interested bystander)] COUNTA of Who do you root for?
C-USA: Florida International 1.61% DERP!
C-USA: Marshall 72.58%
C-USA: North Texas 3.23% DERP!
C-USA: Southern Miss 1.61% DERP!
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 3.23% DERP!
C-USA: Western Kentucky 1.61% DERP!
Independent: Liberty 3.23% DERP!
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 1.61% DERP!
Sun Belt: Coastal Carolina 1.61% DERP!
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 3.23% DERP!
Sun Belt: Georgia State 3.23% DERP!
Sun Belt: Texas State 1.61% DERP!
Sun Belt: Troy 1.61%
Grand Total 100.00%




Aggregate Team Preference: (NOTE: This can slide into inaccuracy over time if there's still a lot of responses coming in for this team)
Western Kentucky 90.02%
Appalachian State 91.92%
Southern Miss 77.66%
Middle Tennessee 71.47%
UAB 71.48%
James Madison 49.18%
Liberty 44.87%
Old Dominion 51.32%
UNC Charlotte 47.27%
Florida Atlantic 52.12%
Georgia Southern 37.86%
Georgia State 19.33%
Florida International 26.60%
LA Tech 20.13%
Louisiana Lafayette 8.58%
Troy 17.47%
Arkansas State 12.61%
Rice 8.32%
Texas State 4.03%
North Texas 4.30%
UTSA 4.56%

Pivot tables now in for ODU.

(04-08-2020 06:02 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 05:56 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  That's awesome. If you can make that data public I'm going to point power bi at it. See about making a public dashboard. In the little free time I have. Hah

Tuh dah: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1..._PbC4LH4I/

I'll show some examples by dumping some extra Marshall sheets in there.

Thanks GTS! I’m going to have some fun with this.

I’m going to start with taking the average scores that each of the 26 fanbases scored the other 25 programs to find out who likes who.

Next I’ll run a comparison to see if the love is mutual (ex. ULM fans might give LA Tech a high score but LA Tech might score them very low)

Once we find out who’s popular and who their friends are we should see a couple conferences start to form and a few schools shake to the bottom that no one really wants—or at least that’s how I anticipate it will go.

(04-08-2020 07:52 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 06:02 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 05:56 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  That's awesome. If you can make that data public I'm going to point power bi at it. See about making a public dashboard. In the little free time I have. Hah

Tuh dah: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1..._PbC4LH4I/

I'll show some examples by dumping some extra Marshall sheets in there.

Thanks GTS! I’m going to have some fun with this.

I’m going to start with taking the average scores that each of the 26 fanbases scored the other 25 programs to find out who likes who.

Next I’ll run a comparison to see if the love is mutual (ex. ULM fans might give LA Tech a high score but LA Tech might score them very low)

Once we find out who’s popular and who their friends are we should see a couple conferences start to form and a few schools shake to the bottom that no one really wants—or at least that’s how I anticipate it will go.

Now that’s something that cold be interesting.

Cajun— my thoughts exactly. It doesn’t matter who you want to be in a conference if no one wants to be in a conference with you.

JMU and App State live results sheets added.

(04-08-2020 08:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Cajun— my thoughts exactly. It doesn’t matter who you want to be in a conference if no one wants to be in a conference with you.

I completely agree,true rivalries will never form if that’s the case.

from all this data, im most interested in 5 results. the middle group of USM, TROY, UAB, MTU, and WKU. it makes since the west would be tilted to the west, and east tilted to the east, but these 5 would have a pick of where they want to go, and might be the difference makers in any potential movement. could a new eastern base conference without any of these 5 still be exciting for eastern schools?

(04-08-2020 09:24 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  from all this data, im most interested in 5 results. the middle group of USM, TROY, UAB, MTU, and WKU. it makes since the west would be tilted to the west, and east tilted to the east, but these 5 would have a pick of where they want to go, and might be the difference makers in any potential movement. could a new eastern base conference without any of these 5 still be exciting for eastern schools?

South Alabama says Hi.

(04-08-2020 09:24 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  from all this data, im most interested in 5 results. the middle group of USM, TROY, UAB, MTU, and WKU. it makes since the west would be tilted to the west, and east tilted to the east, but these 5 would have a pick of where they want to go, and might be the difference makers in any potential movement. could a new eastern base conference without any of these 5 still be exciting for eastern schools?

If I had to guess, I’d say MTSU and WKU will lean East, USM will lean West, and the 3 Alabama schools will be a total grab bag.

I could also see these 6 “Central” schools orienting Central, favoring each other along with 4 others on the periphery.

haha "well done derp voters" at least ODU only had 16% not read the directions vs Marshalls 37%. =]

It’s funny for me (wku) I’d rather have the more central teams. Mtsu, uab, la tech, usm, USA, Troy, Marshall, then add in some good complimentary schools.

(04-08-2020 06:25 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Some programs are up right now and others are down. We tend to only remember the recent. I’d be interested to see this repeated in a few years when the power shifts among teams. South Alabama has been decent historically in basketball, and it looks like we have turned the corner under Coach Riley. I hope we see the same happen for football now that we have an on campus stadium to go along with our practice facilities and field house. Teams can no longer negatively recruit against us for playing in Ladd Stadium!

I plan on making the trip to Mobile this fall. I look forward to seeing the new stadium on 09/26.

I am updating the aggregate counters to be much more resilient to continued voting. Google Sheets is a little weird.

(04-08-2020 10:18 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 09:24 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  from all this data, im most interested in 5 results. the middle group of USM, TROY, UAB, MTU, and WKU. it makes since the west would be tilted to the west, and east tilted to the east, but these 5 would have a pick of where they want to go, and might be the difference makers in any potential movement. could a new eastern base conference without any of these 5 still be exciting for eastern schools?

South Alabama says Hi.

Next up UAB ... but I offer the caveat that their overwhelming preference is to join the AAC. I don't think I'm going too far in saying they feel that C-USA is in general beneath them. So I expect their answers to be salty.

(04-08-2020 07:52 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 06:02 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 05:56 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  That's awesome. If you can make that data public I'm going to point power bi at it. See about making a public dashboard. In the little free time I have. Hah

Tuh dah: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1..._PbC4LH4I/

I'll show some examples by dumping some extra Marshall sheets in there.

Thanks GTS! I’m going to have some fun with this.

I’m going to start with taking the average scores that each of the 26 fanbases scored the other 25 programs to find out who likes who.

Next I’ll run a comparison to see if the love is mutual (ex. ULM fans might give LA Tech a high score but LA Tech might score them very low)

Once we find out who’s popular and who their friends are we should see a couple conferences start to form and a few schools shake to the bottom that no one really wants—or at least that’s how I anticipate it will go.

Rather than average the mutual scores, take the lower of the 2. If team A loves B, but B loathes A, then I think they should be kept apart. This is the same as when there exists a universally attractive team, that team’s preferences should be more determinative of where they end up.

(04-09-2020 08:38 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Next up UAB ... but I offer the caveat that their overwhelming preference is to join the AAC. I don't think I'm going too far in saying they feel that C-USA is in general beneath them. So I expect their answers to be salty.

The UAB sentiment is likely similar throughout the C-USA membership, especially among schools part of C-USA 2.0.

In my opinion, losing UAB would be a critical blow to C-USA. If, however, the AAC offers ODU, C-USA might stabilize. The UAB results will be interesting.