(04-27-2020 10:32 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-27-2020 10:10 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Towson and Albany both have about a 70 million endowment, they're not gonna be buying 15k tickets a game...

Albany has plans to.expand it's fb stadium to 24.5 k.

Towson would not be needed., but Johnny Unitas Stadium only needs 4000 more seats.

But Youngstown St is always looking to move to FBS even though nobody wants their academics.

CAA teams can go from $0 FCS revenue to $2 million FBS revenue an d tons more publicity. Think you underestimating it's importance.

Thank you for shifting the goal post when called on a BS argument.

There're few things sillier than conference realignment junkies declaring how this or that school will "spend their endowment" like it's a universal slush fund.

(04-28-2020 12:38 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-27-2020 10:32 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-27-2020 10:10 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Towson and Albany both have about a 70 million endowment, they're not gonna be buying 15k tickets a game...

Albany has plans to.expand it's fb stadium to 24.5 k.

Towson would not be needed., but Johnny Unitas Stadium only needs 4000 more seats.

But Youngstown St is always looking to move to FBS even though nobody wants their academics.

CAA teams can go from $0 FCS revenue to $2 million FBS revenue an d tons more publicity. Think you underestimating it's importance.

Thank you for shifting the goal post when called on a BS argument.

There're few things sillier than conference realignment junkies declaring how this or that school will "spend their endowment" like it's a universal slush fund.

There are times In a lottery when it makes sense to buy every ticket and make money.

Most FBS schools lose money hand over fist though?

And Albany's plans to expand their football stadium were mentioned like once in 2014 and haven't been touched again. The school averages about 6k a game, they ahve no need for a 24k stadium.

(04-28-2020 08:47 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Most FBS schools lose money hand over fist though?

But they do seem to have an advertising advantage over non-FBS competitors. Texas State has visibility over Sam Houston State, etc. It's justified as an advertising expense--every time an ESPN announcer says "South Alabama" or "Toledo Rockets", ding ding ding.

But I doubt that cuts any ice with New York state legislators--why should they care if Stony Brook (or Albany) moves up or down the prestige ladder? State Assemblyman Smith didn't go to Stony Brook. His kids aren't going there. He may not know that SUNY-Buffalo has an FBS team. (If they play college football up there, how were they in the Super Bowl 4 times in a row?)

(04-27-2020 10:42 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(04-27-2020 09:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-27-2020 09:42 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(04-27-2020 08:59 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(04-27-2020 08:48 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I had said the CAA doesn't make sense, I think this has managed to make even less sense. An FCS conference, 1 bid basketball league would not stretch from Kennesaw Georgia to New England

I think he intends for this to be an FBS conference

Oh. Well, then it makes even less sense, if that's possible. JMU has turned down the Sun Belt, don't see why they'd be interested in that. None of the northern CAA schools or Towson sniff 15k in attendance, Maine and Albany rarely break 5k. I don't know the other schools well enough to comment.

JMU hates the academics of the Belt. They want Delaware, SBU and Albany instead and NE tuition paying kids. UNH, Towson, and Albany almost have 15 k seats. With their endowment, they only need 15k ticket sales, but not that many butts. It wld have tons of TV potential. Back when they were just moving up in FCS, both Kennesaw and SBU Presidents stated they wanted an Big East like conference at FBS..

JMU may be waiting around a looooooooong time if they want all those schools to form some brand new FBS league. I think that scenario is the least likely one for JMU to go FBS, even if it is what they want the most.

Since it was apparent in the last round of realignment that they didn't want to be in either the SB or C-USA as they were composed, their most realistic options for joining FBS are (1) an invitation from the MAC, (2) a realigned SOUTHeastern (not new schools to the north) conference emerging from a rearrangement between the SB and C-USA, and (3) independence like fellow Virginia school Liberty.

As far as academic affiliation preferences, JMU doesn't have much of a leg to stand on, at least if you look at the three closest schools that it would share a conference with in that new southeastern league. It already shared a conference with ODU for a long time. It is ranked just few spots ahead of Appalachian State in USN&WR regional rankings; they are peer institutions if there ever was such a thing. And Marshall just achieved R2 status, which a regional university would be hard pressed to look down upon.

30 years ago JMU was academically on par with the likes of Va Tech, Purdue and UConn (I researched and go accepted to all 4). Since then JMU was charged with growth and loosened standards to more than double in size. So yeah, they're hardly one to look down on other large publics. But we have a president that fancies himself the leader of a small New England liberal arts college and our athletics (at least football and men's basketball) never kept pace with our other growth.

But Marshall being reclassified simply means they're spending money on research and issuing advanced degree. It has nothing to do with the quality of the education. In fact, Carnegie recently amended criteria for their "national" classification and a flood of publics have been reclassified over the last couple of years. JMU will finally be reclassified as "national" next year. App has done a good job of closing the gap with JMU and is totally a peer in all regards now. Such a squandered rivalry opportunity.

(04-27-2020 09:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-27-2020 08:45 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  New York's legislature will not let Albany or SBU spend the money to go FBS.

Has it changed? SBU used to have FBS desires plastered on their website. Maybe SBU was told to take it down? They also have stadium capacity plans above 15k. Having FBS and AAU would be very unique and SBU is very aspirational too.

When did SBU have FBS desires plastered on their website? I don't ever recall seeing that, but I've been only following since 2018.

Any plan that doesn't have Stony Brook in the FBS is one that I'm not interested in. The CAA for all-sports is a lateral move - it's still a 1-bid league, and now it's even harder to earn that one bid.

SBU also recently got a new president, who used to be the Vice President of Texas. Early indications are that she'll bring that Big 12 experience to Stony Brook.

New York's legislature can SMD... I hate them so much and I hope our new prez tells them to kick rocks and builds FBS Stony Brook in spite of them. Seriously, SUNY is a garbage heap and Stony Brook deserves better than that monstrosity.

(04-26-2020 01:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  My question is this, should these non football schools, particularly those in conferences where 25% or fewer members are non football, be expected to perform stronger in men’s basketball?

No. You join a conference for all sports, not basketball. If a school isn't holding up its end of the bargain institutionally, it can be released, although it's really only happened twice (Temple out of the Big East for football and UT-Pan American kicked out of the Sun Belt.)

(04-29-2020 01:29 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(04-26-2020 01:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  My question is this, should these non football schools, particularly those in conferences where 25% or fewer members are non football, be expected to perform stronger in men’s basketball?

No. You join a conference for all sports, not basketball. If a school isn't holding up its end of the bargain institutionally, it can be released, although it's really only happened twice (Temple out of the Big East for football and UT-Pan American kicked out of the Sun Belt.)

The MAC expelled Marshall in 1969 for NCAA violations.

(04-30-2020 12:10 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-29-2020 01:29 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(04-26-2020 01:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  My question is this, should these non football schools, particularly those in conferences where 25% or fewer members are non football, be expected to perform stronger in men’s basketball?

No. You join a conference for all sports, not basketball. If a school isn't holding up its end of the bargain institutionally, it can be released, although it's really only happened twice (Temple out of the Big East for football and UT-Pan American kicked out of the Sun Belt.)

The MAC expelled Marshall in 1969 for NCAA violations.

The Summit expelled Chicago St for various violations.

(04-29-2020 01:58 AM)GreenBaron Wrote:  

(04-27-2020 09:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  [quote='ccd494' pid='16796499' dateline='1588038323']
New York's legislature will not let Albany or SBU spend the money to go FBS.

Has it changed? SBU used to have FBS desires plastered on their website. Maybe SBU was told to take it down? They also have stadium capacity plans above 15k. Having FBS and AAU would be very unique and SBU is very aspirational too.

When did SBU have FBS desires plastered on their website? I don't ever recall seeing that, but I've been only following since 2018.

Any plan that doesn't have Stony Brook in the FBS is one that I'm not interested in. The CAA for all-sports is a lateral move - it's still a 1-bid league, and now it's even harder to earn that one bid.

SBU also recently got a new president, who used to be the Vice President of Texas. Early indications are that she'll bring that Big 12 experience to Stony Brook.

New York's legislature can SMD... I hate them so much and I hope our new prez tells them:rock:quote]
Used to google SBU and FBS and would always get hits until 2018. It appears other CAA schools didn't want other CAA schools open about their ambitions. I can't discount the NY Legislature being jerks, but that would have shown up on Google.