(07-01-2020 11:10 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote: Do you honestly think that even a significant number of 18-20 football players are even aware of the radical Marxist demands of the BLM organization? Or that Memphis would come out in support if those demands? I don’t.
I do think that Memphis and our football team does support the notion that black lives matter the same as white lives.
I will grant you that like the confederate flag meant different things to different people, so does the saying Black Lives Matter. Using the same argument that because so many were offended and hurt by their view of what the flag stood for then it should be removed from prominent places then I have no problem with folks asking for the BLM stickers to be removed from football helmets. I don’t think that’s necessary though and would be just as comfortable with Coach Silverfield, a group of players, and/or the UofM as a whole simply saying we are sporting these decals to show support for the black community that feels their lives haven’t mattered as much as white lives but we do not in any way support the political and policy demands of the BLM organization or its tactics to advance those demands.
So using the BLM logo is okay, since everybody should assume that you intend to represent the nobler cause, not the darker side of what the BLM org advocates?
Funny, Confederate flags have been banned for EXACTLY the same reason. Even though many southerners see it as a benign symbol of where they are from, it obviously is a hurtful symbol for African Americans.
Another example. If somebody put a slightly altered swastika on a helmet, and said it was for some noble purpose, would Jewish people be able to look beyond that? Of course not.
So, Confederate flags should be banned, swastikas should be banned, but the logo of an org that promotes death to cops (and some members to whites in general) is fine?
(07-01-2020 03:04 PM)Bronco14 Wrote: Might just be a dumb promotional thing the coach is doing on Twitter. Not necessarily a gameday-helmet. I'm fine if they want to do it outside of the actual game, much as I despise BLM, but putting a political statement on your jersey crosses my line.
Also maybe there's schools that won't do it this year you can jump on their bandwagon.
I'll be right w/ you if Western Michigan does it & I think about their athletics daily lol.
Also, to the above post, I know in Kalamazoo for football our players are in the locker room during the National Anthem, so we'll be safe at least from that, although things are probably gonna change so they can piss on the flag.
I really don't see a season happening tho, so by 2021 season BLM will be an afterthought because it won't be an election year & they won't plaster it all over
Well, unfortunately his Twitter says it'll be on all helmets this year for Memphis. Sucks. Maybe there's another team that won't do it you can jump on?
Saw this after I posted the other reply.
I'm a die hard, so I'll still watch. It's a 700 mile round trip for me to attend, so not an issue there.
My issue is I don't think politics and sports should be mixed, but it seems like that's an old-fashioned idea now.
Politics intertwining with sport is as old as the nation itself.
Let’s be honest, the stickers and other gestures that will be done this fall might as well say “Vote Democrat.” Money for tickets, donations, concessions, etc are basically indirectly going to the DNC and BLM.
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(07-01-2020 03:04 PM)Bronco14 Wrote: Might just be a dumb promotional thing the coach is doing on Twitter. Not necessarily a gameday-helmet. I'm fine if they want to do it outside of the actual game, much as I despise BLM, but putting a political statement on your jersey crosses my line.
Also maybe there's schools that won't do it this year you can jump on their bandwagon.
I'll be right w/ you if Western Michigan does it & I think about their athletics daily lol.
Also, to the above post, I know in Kalamazoo for football our players are in the locker room during the National Anthem, so we'll be safe at least from that, although things are probably gonna change so they can piss on the flag.
I really don't see a season happening tho, so by 2021 season BLM will be an afterthought because it won't be an election year & they won't plaster it all over
Well, unfortunately his Twitter says it'll be on all helmets this year for Memphis. Sucks. Maybe there's another team that won't do it you can jump on?
Saw this after I posted the other reply.
I'm a die hard, so I'll still watch. It's a 700 mile round trip for me to attend, so not an issue there.
My issue is I don't think politics and sports should be mixed, but it seems like that's an old-fashioned idea now.
Politics intertwining with sport is as old as the nation itself.
Don't tell them...they're on a roll.
Do you have trouble comprehending English? I never said it didn't happen. I said I didn't think they should be mixed.
I'm sick of the cop out tag line that they're "just trying to raise awareness" for the cause.
You know, I think we're all "aware" of just about everything that anybody's got a beef about. At this point, putting social issue stickers on football helmets is just being intentionally divisive.
(07-02-2020 08:11 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: I'm sick of the cop out tag line that they're "just trying to raise awareness" for the cause.
You know, I think we're all "aware" of just about everything that anybody's got a beef about. At this point, putting social issue stickers on football helmets is just being intentionally divisive.
That and “Let’s have a discussion”, which means “I am going to do all the talking and you are going to see it my way.”
(07-01-2020 04:44 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote: Sports was a uniting institution. During the games it didn't matter your sexual persuasion, race or political views you were all pulling for the same team.
"White people don't acknowledge Juneteenth....We've been taught July 4, 1776 is the real Independence Day but it's not," director of Carter Center for Black Education at Mizzou says.
Article says "experts & educators say Black history focuses too much on violence & suffering, and needs to focus more on systemic racism & white supremacy, and the past has been sanitized."
The director continues "believes education focuse too much on organizations like the KKK & doesn't explore nuances or apathy towards Black deaths."
Lawrence Paska, executive director of the National Council for Social Studies, said schools should be preparing to teach discrimination, protests, and racial violence when students return in the fall.
EDIT
My opinion: Go ahead & add Juneteenth as National Holiday, but insulting or downplaying the independence from Britain crossing a line. Also, not sure about other states, but I remember in First Grade being clearly taught MLK Day & it's significance. I remember vividly the MLK heads on the wall & listening to parts of the I Have a Dream Speech. We were taught as early as First Grade racism is a no-no & whites supported it. As I progressed thru school, things like oppression towards blacks weren't glossed over or skipped, with the exception of the many violent riots & massacres, and that I agree with the article, but school made up for it by teaching Jim Crow Laws & slavery every year. The suffering of the Indians definitely wasn't skipped over either.
I am curious what they mean by "need to teach 'systemic racism in schools', & what solutions to it would be taught
(This post was last modified: 07-02-2020 11:11 AM by Bronco'14.)
Juneteenth holiday or not, my employer won’t close that day. We don’t take off for MLK day and Juneteenth would be the same. Now, if these SJW idiots try to “abolish July 4th” were gonna have a problem
(07-02-2020 10:47 AM)Bronco14 Wrote: Article in Associated Press:
"White people don't acknowledge Juneteenth....We've been taught July 4, 1776 is the real Independence Day but it's not," director of Carter Center for Black Education at Mizzou says.
Article says "experts & educators say Black history focuses too much on violence & suffering, and needs to focus more on systemic racism & white supremacy, and the past has been sanitized."
The director continues "believes education focuse too much on organizations like the KKK & doesn't explore nuances or apathy towards Black deaths."
Lawrence Paska, executive director of the National Council for Social Studies, said schools should be preparing to teach discrimination, protests, and racial violence when students return in the fall.
EDIT
My opinion: Go ahead & add Juneteenth as National Holiday, but insulting or downplaying the independence from Britain crossing a line. Also, not sure about other states, but I remember in First Grade being clearly taught MLK Day & it's significance. I remember vividly the MLK heads on the wall & listening to parts of the I Have a Dream Speech. We were taught as early as First Grade racism is a no-no. As I progressed thru school, things like oppression towards blacks weren't glossed over or skipped, with the exception of the many violent riots & massacres, and that I agree with the article, but school made up for teaching Jim Crow Laws & slavery every year. The suffering of the Indians definitely wasn't skipped over either
I grew up in public school in the early and mid 1980's and I learned more about MLK than George Washington.
Nothing was glossed over or covered up about racism, we spent a ton of time learning about it and what happened.
By the 1990's and early 2000's it felt like we had really grown as a society and gotten past a lot of this, even though we all knew we were still not perfect.
Suddenly the last few years things have gone backward at light speed and people are totally obsessed with race. And we know WHY, because some people are suing it as a wedge to divide and conquer America from within.
(This post was last modified: 07-02-2020 11:31 AM by ericsrevenge76.)
(07-02-2020 10:47 AM)Bronco14 Wrote: Article in Associated Press:
"White people don't acknowledge Juneteenth....We've been taught July 4, 1776 is the real Independence Day but it's not," director of Carter Center for Black Education at Mizzou says.
Article says "experts & educators say Black history focuses too much on violence & suffering, and needs to focus more on systemic racism & white supremacy, and the past has been sanitized."
The director continues "believes education focuse too much on organizations like the KKK & doesn't explore nuances or apathy towards Black deaths."
Lawrence Paska, executive director of the National Council for Social Studies, said schools should be preparing to teach discrimination, protests, and racial violence when students return in the fall.
EDIT
My opinion: Go ahead & add Juneteenth as National Holiday, but insulting or downplaying the independence from Britain crossing a line. Also, not sure about other states, but I remember in First Grade being clearly taught MLK Day & it's significance. I remember vividly the MLK heads on the wall & listening to parts of the I Have a Dream Speech. We were taught as early as First Grade racism is a no-no. As I progressed thru school, things like oppression towards blacks weren't glossed over or skipped, with the exception of the many violent riots & massacres, and that I agree with the article, but school made up for teaching Jim Crow Laws & slavery every year. The suffering of the Indians definitely wasn't skipped over either
I grew up in public school in the early and mid 1980's and I learned more about MLK than George Washington.
Noting was glossed over or covered up about racism, we spent a ton of time learning about it and what happened.
By the 1990's and early 2000's it felt like we had really grown as a society and gotten past a lot of this, even though we all knew we were still not perfect.
Suddenly the last few years things have gone backward at light speed and people are totally obsessed with race. And we know WHY, because some people are suing it as a wedge to divide and conquer America from within.
You and I are about the same age. I clearly remember learning about Crispus Attucks, Nat Turner, W.E.B Dubois, Booker T. Washington, Rosa Parks, MLK, Malcolm X et al in history classes. I do not get all these people who claim we never learned any of this stuff.
The problem with history, unless you are taking advanced courses there is simply too much material to do deep dives into subjects. There is so Koch ground to cover, from pre-colonialism, colonialism, the founding of the country, all the events of the 18th, 19, and 20th centuries including wars, presidential reigns, etc. It seems to me there are people who think all that should be taught in history is race relations.
Ultimately, I got my undergraduate degree in History. We did not have a particular time period or event of focus, but for most of the courses I took were American History because that is what interested me. I suggest all the people who want to learn more about these event take a college course or two in it. They do not even have to get on a tract for a degree. Alternatively, they can check out some books on their own from a library.
(This post was last modified: 07-02-2020 12:01 PM by CliftonAve.)
(07-02-2020 11:02 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: Juneteenth holiday or not, my employer won’t close that day. We don’t take off for MLK day and Juneteenth would be the same. Now, if these SJW idiots try to “abolish July 4th” were gonna have a problem
Idiots probably don't even understand Juneteenth.
It was when slaves in Texas heard about the Emancipation Proclamation. The rest of the South had already heard about it.
And guess what, slaves in Kentucky and Delaware still weren't free. And based on the Emancipation rules which only freed slaves in areas the union didn't control, the slaves in New Orleans and parts of Virginia and Tennessee weren't free either. (edit-new state constitutions had freed the slaves in New Orleans, Virginia and Tennessee-but as I posted below, slavery still existed until the end of 1865 and the 13th amendment in KY, DE and NJ).
(This post was last modified: 07-02-2020 03:01 PM by bullet.)
(07-02-2020 11:02 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: Juneteenth holiday or not, my employer won’t close that day. We don’t take off for MLK day and Juneteenth would be the same. Now, if these SJW idiots try to “abolish July 4th” were gonna have a problem
Idiots probably don't even understand Juneteenth.
It was when slaves in Texas heard about the Emancipation Proclamation. The rest of the South had already heard about it.
And guess what, slaves in Kentucky and Delaware still weren't free. And based on the Emancipation rules which only freed slaves in areas the union didn't control, the slaves in New Orleans and parts of Virginia and Tennessee weren't free either.
I’ve always felt that MLK Day should have never been and that they day should have been an all-encompassing Civil Rights’ Day. We are now seeing why my original suggestion should have been considered. We will bestowed with more holiday demands.
All of this is more than likely for naught considering the Buffalo Bills have announced no fans will be attending games during the pandemic. I have a feeling this may spread to the college game as well.
(This post was last modified: 07-02-2020 12:51 PM by VA49er.)
(07-02-2020 12:51 PM)VA49er Wrote: All of this is more than likely for naught considering the Buffalo Bills have announced no fans will be attending games during the pandemic. I have a feeling this may spread to the college game as well.
Well the Bills are just following NY state's conditions during phase 4 of their reopening plan. As soon as they move on from phase 4 they will allow people again.
(07-02-2020 08:11 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: I'm sick of the cop out tag line that they're "just trying to raise awareness" for the cause.
You know, I think we're all "aware" of just about everything that anybody's got a beef about. At this point, putting social issue stickers on football helmets is just being intentionally divisive.
That and “Let’s have a discussion”, which means “I am going to do all the talking and you are going to see it my way.”
Exactly. And you must accept all my opinions as indisputable fact or you are a racist.
(07-02-2020 12:51 PM)VA49er Wrote: All of this is more than likely for naught considering the Buffalo Bills have announced no fans will be attending games during the pandemic. I have a feeling this may spread to the college game as well.
Well the Bills are just following NY state's conditions during phase 4 of their reopening plan. As soon as they move on from phase 4 they will allow people again.
It's going to be interesting given situations will arise where one team plays with its home fans and then other team/s can't do the same. Wonder if some teams will protest that as some sort of "unfair advantage"?
(07-02-2020 10:47 AM)Bronco14 Wrote: Article in Associated Press:
"White people don't acknowledge Juneteenth....We've been taught July 4, 1776 is the real Independence Day but it's not," director of Carter Center for Black Education at Mizzou says.
Article says "experts & educators say Black history focuses too much on violence & suffering, and needs to focus more on systemic racism & white supremacy, and the past has been sanitized."
The director continues "believes education focuse too much on organizations like the KKK & doesn't explore nuances or apathy towards Black deaths."
Lawrence Paska, executive director of the National Council for Social Studies, said schools should be preparing to teach discrimination, protests, and racial violence when students return in the fall.
EDIT
My opinion: Go ahead & add Juneteenth as National Holiday, but insulting or downplaying the independence from Britain crossing a line. Also, not sure about other states, but I remember in First Grade being clearly taught MLK Day & it's significance. I remember vividly the MLK heads on the wall & listening to parts of the I Have a Dream Speech. We were taught as early as First Grade racism is a no-no. As I progressed thru school, things like oppression towards blacks weren't glossed over or skipped, with the exception of the many violent riots & massacres, and that I agree with the article, but school made up for teaching Jim Crow Laws & slavery every year. The suffering of the Indians definitely wasn't skipped over either
I grew up in public school in the early and mid 1980's and I learned more about MLK than George Washington.
Noting was glossed over or covered up about racism, we spent a ton of time learning about it and what happened.
By the 1990's and early 2000's it felt like we had really grown as a society and gotten past a lot of this, even though we all knew we were still not perfect.
Suddenly the last few years things have gone backward at light speed and people are totally obsessed with race. And we know WHY, because some people are suing it as a wedge to divide and conquer America from within.
You and I are about the same age. I clearly remember learning about Crispus Attucks, Nat Turner, W.E.B Dubois, Booker T. Washington, Rosa Parks, MLK, Malcolm X et al in history classes. I do not get all these people who claim we never learned any of this stuff.
The problem with history, unless you are taking advanced courses there is simply too much material to do deep dives into subjects. There is so Koch ground to cover, from pre-colonialism, colonialism, the founding of the country, all the events of the 18th, 19, and 20th centuries including wars, presidential reigns, etc. It seems to me there are people who think all that should be taught in history is race relations.
Ultimately, I got my undergraduate degree in History. We did not have a particular time period or event of focus, but for most of the courses I took were American History because that is what interested me. I suggest all the people who want to learn more about these event take a college course or two in it. They do not even have to get on a tract for a degree. Alternatively, they can check out some books on their own from a library.
I'm apparently a little older than you two. I was in elementary school when the all Black HS in my town was closed. And I learned about all those people.
Now we didn't get all the propaganda about how terrible the US was and the history while it told about discrimination, was about more than just that.
(07-02-2020 11:02 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: Juneteenth holiday or not, my employer won’t close that day. We don’t take off for MLK day and Juneteenth would be the same. Now, if these SJW idiots try to “abolish July 4th” were gonna have a problem
Idiots probably don't even understand Juneteenth.
It was when slaves in Texas heard about the Emancipation Proclamation. The rest of the South had already heard about it.
And guess what, slaves in Kentucky and Delaware still weren't free. And based on the Emancipation rules which only freed slaves in areas the union didn't control, the slaves in New Orleans and parts of Virginia and Tennessee weren't free either.
I’ve always felt that MLK Day should have never been and that they day should have been an all-encompassing Civil Rights’ Day. We are now seeing why my original suggestion should have been considered. We will bestowed with more holiday demands.
So Kentucky, Delaware and New Jersey still had legal slavery until the 13th amendment (New Jersey had a long phaseout).
"...In a plan endorsed by Abraham Lincoln, slavery in the District of Columbia, which the Southern contingent had protected, was abolished in 1862.[18] The Union-occupied territories of Louisiana[19] and eastern Virginia,[20] which had been exempted from the Emancipation Proclamation, also abolished slavery through respective state constitutions drafted in 1864. The State of Arkansas, which was not exempt but which in part came under Union control by 1864, adopted an anti-slavery constitution in March of that year.[21] The border states of Maryland (November 1864)[22] and Missouri (January 1865),[23] the Union-occupied Confederate state, Tennessee (January 1865),[24] and the new state of West Virginia, separated from Virginia in 1863 over the issue of slavery,[25] abolished slavery in February 1865, prior to the end of the Civil War. However, slavery persisted in Delaware,[26] Kentucky,[27] and New Jersey[28][29] and on the books in 7 of 11 of the former Confederate states, until the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution abolished slavery throughout the United States on December 6, 1865, ending the distinction between slave and free states.[30]"
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No college football for me this year.
