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RE: The Truth About Covid
(07-10-2020 04:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 01:14 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  It's Not Truth Related either. Different states have different testing procedures. Pool Testing is happening in some places. Multiple people's tests go into one vat. Wait time for results varies. Keeping records of who comes into your restaurant/ business sucks.

There's always Sweden's example to fall back on. I wondered what happened to them.


https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-c...ata-2020-7

hmmm....not so good.

I think I'll check on Brazil.

Not all things are black and white. Same source you cited. Dateline yesterday.

* Sweden's daily coronavirus death rate is approaching zero.

* Newly diagnosed COVID-19 cases have fallen to one-sixth of their number at the peak, just two weeks ago.

* Suddenly, Sweden's "no-lockdown" approach to the crisis looks like a late-running success.

* But experts are warning that the path Sweden took came at a high price: Sweden's death toll was 11 times that of neighboring Norway, and the current drop in fatalities is on a par with Haiti or Pakistan, countries that are struggling to control outbreaks.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-c...ked-2020-7

their economy is way down still ...Does this mean no matter what path gets chosen, the economy of every country is suffering...?

Their health insurance is different than ours...How does this figure into the picture, I wonder.


Sweden has a universal public healthcare system. The central government dictates policy, but county councils and municipal governments provide services. Costs to run the system are paid for by taxes with contributions from the government. Patients will pay small out-of-pocket fees for prescriptions and some treatments. The county council sets the rates for copays, which leads to variation across the country, but providers can’t charge above the set rate in their area. The government caps out-of-pocket fees at 1,100 kr (Swedish krona)


But the pendulum will swing the other way again sooner or later. Economies will recover and College football will come back. How soon is the question.
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RE: The Truth About Covid
(07-10-2020 05:56 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 04:31 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 04:22 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 03:57 PM)danny1 Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 11:16 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  If we knew the real truth it would probably be that the flu is much more dangerous to the population as a whole. So many deaths are getting counted as Covid deaths that aren’t the real reason. Anyone that dies for any reason is getting counted towards Covid deaths. Truth be known, I I’d deaths are probably a 1/3 or less of what’s being reported.

Please do share where you get the information upon which you make ridiculous statements like the above. Amazing!!

Hospitals getting paid $BONUS$ to list deaths as covid

By whom? George Soros?

The Republican-controlled federal government?

THE ILLUMINATI?

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RE: The Truth About Covid
(07-10-2020 01:14 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  It's Not Truth Related either. Different states have different testing procedures. Pool Testing is happening in some places. Multiple people's tests go into one vat. Wait time for results varies. Keeping records of who comes into your restaurant/ business sucks.

There's always Sweden's example to fall back on. I wondered what happened to them.


https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-c...ata-2020-7

hmmm....not so good.

I think I'll check on Brazil.

I am just speaking of personal experience at my restaurant. We have had two servers and two managers get tested either because of symptoms or because of being in contact in their personal life with someone that has tested positive. All four were negative, but all four had to wait a minimum of six days to get their results.

I understand the point of tracing, but with our current reality it seems ridiculous to think that getting people's names and contact info at a restaurant is really going to help. If anything it gives people a false sense of security, or more the perception that they have the process under control.

And that is the worst part - restaurants have been in a state of flux and adjustment for four months, from doing to go orders only to open at 50% with no bar to open 50% with a bar to open at full capacity as long as social distancing is followed to now back to limited seating with specific rules for bar customers and a 10pm curfew. All of that would be acceptable if we could see positive results, but the covid numbers here are worse than ever. So again, as I see the truth, we do not have the capacity to test and therefore don't have the ability to trace.
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RE: The Truth About Covid
(07-10-2020 04:31 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 04:22 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 03:57 PM)danny1 Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 11:16 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 09:14 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  This is somewhat true.

But I don't think people know when they have a cold or the flu...They assume they do.

But since those are less dangerous people are less concerned about identifying them.

But when the fall winter comes...The testing centers are going to be overrun with people with "symptoms".

Some may be cold, allergies or the flu.

If we knew the real truth it would probably be that the flu is much more dangerous to the population as a whole. So many deaths are getting counted as Covid deaths that aren’t the real reason. Anyone that dies for any reason is getting counted towards Covid deaths. Truth be known, I I’d deaths are probably a 1/3 or less of what’s being reported.

Please do share where you get the information upon which you make ridiculous statements like the above. Amazing!!

Hospitals getting paid $BONUS$ to list deaths as covid

By whom? George Soros?

The Republican-controlled federal government?

THE ILLUMINATI?

The thing that is hilarious about you and a few others on this board is that you absolutely refuse to consider news sources that don't align fully with your political views. Thus, when you make hilarious statements like this, they are wholly based on being willfully ignorant. You say stuff like this and you have no idea what you are talking about, and no interest in finding out the truth.

PART I
Here is the Director of Public Health for the state of Illinois explaining how they categorize covid deaths.

Hospice Residents Who Test Positive Are Listed As Covid Deaths

So there you have it. ANY death for any reason, be it a cancer patient who dies of cancer or someone who dies in a car accident. If you test positive for covid even if it has nothing to do with the cause of death, it is a covid death.

PART II
The CDC for the first time in 40 years made changes to how deaths are reported. Prior to April of this year, a flu death or any other kind of death was reported as a death if it could be determined that it was the actual cause. All of a sudden...no more.

Quote:In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot
be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances
are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it
is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as
“probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should
use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19
infection was likely. However, please note that testing for
COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.

So all of a sudden your are leaving it to someone's judgement to decide if someone MIGHT have had covid, and the death can be listed as a covid death even if there was no positive test result and the cause of death had nothing to do with covid.

So again, this is why Trump will probably win again. It has nothing to do with Trump; he is a piece of ****. He will win again because normal people, who care about the facts have reached the reasonable conclusion that Democrats, Liberals and Progressives are infinitely more dangerous and dishonest than Trump.
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(07-10-2020 11:50 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  just got my results back, looks like i'm good to go

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RE: The Truth About Covid
(07-10-2020 06:38 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 01:14 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  It's Not Truth Related either. Different states have different testing procedures. Pool Testing is happening in some places. Multiple people's tests go into one vat. Wait time for results varies. Keeping records of who comes into your restaurant/ business sucks.

There's always Sweden's example to fall back on. I wondered what happened to them.


https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-c...ata-2020-7

hmmm....not so good.

I think I'll check on Brazil.

I am just speaking of personal experience at my restaurant. We have had two servers and two managers get tested either because of symptoms or because of being in contact in their personal life with someone that has tested positive. All four were negative, but all four had to wait a minimum of six days to get their results.

I understand the point of tracing, but with our current reality it seems ridiculous to think that getting people's names and contact info at a restaurant is really going to help. If anything it gives people a false sense of security, or more the perception that they have the process under control.

And that is the worst part - restaurants have been in a state of flux and adjustment for four months, from doing to go orders only to open at 50% with no bar to open 50% with a bar to open at full capacity as long as social distancing is followed to now back to limited seating with specific rules for bar customers and a 10pm curfew. All of that would be acceptable if we could see positive results, but the covid numbers here are worse than ever. So again, as I see the truth, we do not have the capacity to test and therefore don't have the ability to trace.



Around here, only a few restaurants/bars/pubs enforce distancing and mask wearing, even though it is state mandated; none get contact info of patrons.
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(07-10-2020 12:27 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  Here's the truth about our current pandemic:
The current situation is that the average person that gets a Covid test has to wait 6-7 days to get a result. I know at least 4 people that have been tested, all negative, and all of them have had to stay at home until they got results. If any of them had tested positive, tracing would have been impossible. The Health Department wants restaurants to keep records of everyone that dines in our business, but with current testing that would mean that a positive test result (7 days later)would require a restaurant contact like hundreds of potential people that may have been infected. Until testing becomes a results in minutes thing tracing is almost impossible.

as hard as I try I don't see hoe this is Tiger sports related...
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(07-10-2020 07:37 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 06:38 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 01:14 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  It's Not Truth Related either. Different states have different testing procedures. Pool Testing is happening in some places. Multiple people's tests go into one vat. Wait time for results varies. Keeping records of who comes into your restaurant/ business sucks.

There's always Sweden's example to fall back on. I wondered what happened to them.


https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-c...ata-2020-7

hmmm....not so good.

I think I'll check on Brazil.

I am just speaking of personal experience at my restaurant. We have had two servers and two managers get tested either because of symptoms or because of being in contact in their personal life with someone that has tested positive. All four were negative, but all four had to wait a minimum of six days to get their results.

I understand the point of tracing, but with our current reality it seems ridiculous to think that getting people's names and contact info at a restaurant is really going to help. If anything it gives people a false sense of security, or more the perception that they have the process under control.

And that is the worst part - restaurants have been in a state of flux and adjustment for four months, from doing to go orders only to open at 50% with no bar to open 50% with a bar to open at full capacity as long as social distancing is followed to now back to limited seating with specific rules for bar customers and a 10pm curfew. All of that would be acceptable if we could see positive results, but the covid numbers here are worse than ever. So again, as I see the truth, we do not have the capacity to test and therefore don't have the ability to trace.



Around here, only a few restaurants/bars/pubs enforce distancing and mask wearing, even though it is state mandated; none get contact info of patrons.

Most places here are doing a good job, a few aren't even trying. The hard part is that it is such an uphill battle with the general population. We just went to Overton Square for dessert and less that a quarter of the people were wearing masks. The restaurants are making people wear them to enter, but there were large groups of people on the street not wearing them at all
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(07-10-2020 07:41 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 12:27 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  Here's the truth about our current pandemic:
The current situation is that the average person that gets a Covid test has to wait 6-7 days to get a result. I know at least 4 people that have been tested, all negative, and all of them have had to stay at home until they got results. If any of them had tested positive, tracing would have been impossible. The Health Department wants restaurants to keep records of everyone that dines in our business, but with current testing that would mean that a positive test result (7 days later)would require a restaurant contact like hundreds of potential people that may have been infected. Until testing becomes a results in minutes thing tracing is almost impossible.

as hard as I try I don't see hoe this is Tiger sports related...

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Let it go. Any Tiger sports whatsoever this year hinge on Covid. So people want to talk about Covid. That’s the connection.
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(07-10-2020 08:12 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 07:37 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 06:38 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 01:14 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  It's Not Truth Related either. Different states have different testing procedures. Pool Testing is happening in some places. Multiple people's tests go into one vat. Wait time for results varies. Keeping records of who comes into your restaurant/ business sucks.

There's always Sweden's example to fall back on. I wondered what happened to them.


https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-c...ata-2020-7

hmmm....not so good.

I think I'll check on Brazil.

I am just speaking of personal experience at my restaurant. We have had two servers and two managers get tested either because of symptoms or because of being in contact in their personal life with someone that has tested positive. All four were negative, but all four had to wait a minimum of six days to get their results.

I understand the point of tracing, but with our current reality it seems ridiculous to think that getting people's names and contact info at a restaurant is really going to help. If anything it gives people a false sense of security, or more the perception that they have the process under control.

And that is the worst part - restaurants have been in a state of flux and adjustment for four months, from doing to go orders only to open at 50% with no bar to open 50% with a bar to open at full capacity as long as social distancing is followed to now back to limited seating with specific rules for bar customers and a 10pm curfew. All of that would be acceptable if we could see positive results, but the covid numbers here are worse than ever. So again, as I see the truth, we do not have the capacity to test and therefore don't have the ability to trace.



Around here, only a few restaurants/bars/pubs enforce distancing and mask wearing, even though it is state mandated; none get contact info of patrons.

Most places here are doing a good job, a few aren't even trying. The hard part is that it is such an uphill battle with the general population. We just went to Overton Square for dessert and less that a quarter of the people were wearing masks. The restaurants are making people wear them to enter, but there were large groups of people on the street not wearing them at all

It’s really difficult with the general population. Politics and religion are making it near impossible,

The county health department visited my store today and gave me 4 official mask signs for my homemade ones.

We have been wearing N95 masks Measured for our faces before it got state mandated. Many of our older fragile customers are at risk.

But It’s been a fight with quite a few customers to get them to mask up, and we’ve thrown out some long time friends. Sigh

The state mandate helped some. I was fixin to close all retail operations. lol.

I don’t know why but it’s often the ones who refuse to wear a mask who get right in your face to argue their points. My son almost got into a knock down drag out with a traveling dirt ball who was demanding his rights not to wear a mask while he ‘shopped’
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(07-10-2020 12:01 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Do yourselves a favor: think for yourself. Start by calculating mortality rate for yourself. Remember, I provided a great website by Johns Hopkins to this board in Feb/March. Speak with an epidemiologist that votes Democrat traditionally and 1 that votes Republican traditionally. If no epidemiologist, try an MD......Come to your own conclusion.

If you follow the mob, you get what you get.


We initially thought 200k to 1.7 million people in US would die. US deaths (133,420 in US, 55k globally). We either missed the mark with our projection or we had phenomenal leadership that marginalized its effects. You decide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/co...imate.html

OMG you are right! The virus is over and there will be no more deaths. OMG Trump was right the virus miraculously disappeared! Oh Happy Day
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(07-10-2020 09:11 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 12:01 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Do yourselves a favor: think for yourself. Start by calculating mortality rate for yourself. Remember, I provided a great website by Johns Hopkins to this board in Feb/March. Speak with an epidemiologist that votes Democrat traditionally and 1 that votes Republican traditionally. If no epidemiologist, try an MD......Come to your own conclusion.

If you follow the mob, you get what you get.


We initially thought 200k to 1.7 million people in US would die. US deaths (133,420 in US, 55k globally). We either missed the mark with our projection or we had phenomenal leadership that marginalized its effects. You decide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/co...imate.html

OMG you are right! The virus is over and there will be no more deaths. OMG Trump was right the virus miraculously disappeared! Oh Happy Day

Off track, but a couple of posters recently stated that you sought to beat up Homefry20 at basketball game. Is this true or simply message board gibberish?
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(07-10-2020 06:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 04:31 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 04:22 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 03:57 PM)danny1 Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 11:16 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  If we knew the real truth it would probably be that the flu is much more dangerous to the population as a whole. So many deaths are getting counted as Covid deaths that aren’t the real reason. Anyone that dies for any reason is getting counted towards Covid deaths. Truth be known, I I’d deaths are probably a 1/3 or less of what’s being reported.

Please do share where you get the information upon which you make ridiculous statements like the above. Amazing!!


Hospitals getting paid $BONUS$ to list deaths as covid

By whom? George Soros?

The Republican-controlled federal government?

THE ILLUMINATI?

The thing that is hilarious about you and a few others on this board is that you absolutely refuse to consider news sources that don't align fully with your political views. Thus, when you make hilarious statements like this, they are wholly based on being willfully ignorant. You say stuff like this and you have no idea what you are talking about, and no interest in finding out the truth.

PART I
Here is the Director of Public Health for the state of Illinois explaining how they categorize covid deaths.

Hospice Residents Who Test Positive Are Listed As Covid Deaths

So there you have it. ANY death for any reason, be it a cancer patient who dies of cancer or someone who dies in a car accident. If you test positive for covid even if it has nothing to do with the cause of death, it is a covid death.

PART II
The CDC for the first time in 40 years made changes to how deaths are reported. Prior to April of this year, a flu death or any other kind of death was reported as a death if it could be determined that it was the actual cause. All of a sudden...no more.

Quote:In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot
be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances
are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it
is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as
“probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should
use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19
infection was likely. However, please note that testing for
COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.

So all of a sudden your are leaving it to someone's judgement to decide if someone MIGHT have had covid, and the death can be listed as a covid death even if there was no positive test result and the cause of death had nothing to do with covid.

So again, this is why Trump will probably win again. It has nothing to do with Trump; he is a piece of ****. He will win again because normal people, who care about the facts have reached the reasonable conclusion that Democrats, Liberals and Progressives are infinitely more dangerous and dishonest than Trump.

Yep you the rest of the normal people will probably vote for Trump. The other 66% of the electorate won't; ergo. Trump wins. Sound reasonable enough for you?
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(07-10-2020 09:28 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 09:11 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 12:01 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Do yourselves a favor: think for yourself. Start by calculating mortality rate for yourself. Remember, I provided a great website by Johns Hopkins to this board in Feb/March. Speak with an epidemiologist that votes Democrat traditionally and 1 that votes Republican traditionally. If no epidemiologist, try an MD......Come to your own conclusion.

If you follow the mob, you get what you get.


We initially thought 200k to 1.7 million people in US would die. US deaths (133,420 in US, 55k globally). We either missed the mark with our projection or we had phenomenal leadership that marginalized its effects. You decide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/co...imate.html

OMG you are right! The virus is over and there will be no more deaths. OMG Trump was right the virus miraculously disappeared! Oh Happy Day

Off track, but a couple of posters recently stated that you sought to beat up Homefry20 at basketball game. Is this true or simply message board gibberish?

gibberish? I know the guy who threw Homefry out of the balcony into the lower bowl. He is now in the state legislature.
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(07-10-2020 09:36 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 09:28 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 09:11 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 12:01 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Do yourselves a favor: think for yourself. Start by calculating mortality rate for yourself. Remember, I provided a great website by Johns Hopkins to this board in Feb/March. Speak with an epidemiologist that votes Democrat traditionally and 1 that votes Republican traditionally. If no epidemiologist, try an MD......Come to your own conclusion.

If you follow the mob, you get what you get.


We initially thought 200k to 1.7 million people in US would die. US deaths (133,420 in US, 55k globally). We either missed the mark with our projection or we had phenomenal leadership that marginalized its effects. You decide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/co...imate.html

OMG you are right! The virus is over and there will be no more deaths. OMG Trump was right the virus miraculously disappeared! Oh Happy Day

Off track, but a couple of posters recently stated that you sought to beat up Homefry20 at basketball game. Is this true or simply message board gibberish?

gibberish? I know the guy who threw Homefry out of the balcony into the lower bowl. He is now in the state legislature.

So the story is true. What about the pony tail part?
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Why are we arguing numbers.

136,000 Americans are dead in 4 months. Up to 60,000 dead from the flu and we have a vaccine for the flu. Approaching 600,000 Covid dead globally. Maybe when we have a vaccine for COVID feel safer but right now it is a highly contagious virus with a highly effective nature to find the weakness in a person and attack it.

Yes, Trump hit the pause button on China but he has failed in almost every other category in the war on Covid since that act. His administration crippled the CDC, the national pandemic response Plan was deleted, the world investigative and response experts recalled, he has been at war with the top medical advisors and has not entertained a briefing in over 2 months. He has promoted junk science, misled the public and set a terrible example for the nation to follow. He thinks knowing the scope of the infection “looks” bad. He attacks or Fires people who disagree with him. He worried about China but our biggest threats were coming from Western Europe and Brazil. Now he is pulling out of The WHO.

Trump missed his chance at a historic record of decisive action in a world crisis. It will likely cost him a second term.
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We finally found a cure for the flu, cold, and all other types of death. Corona virus has completely eradicated all other sources of sickness and death. We should be more thankful for Corona than we have been. Society is so ungrateful.
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RE: The Truth About Covid
(07-10-2020 10:42 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Why are we arguing numbers.

136,000 Americans are dead in 4 months. Up to 60,000 dead from the flu and we have a vaccine for the flu. Approaching 600,000 Covid dead globally. Maybe when we have a vaccine for COVID feel safer but right now it is a highly contagious virus with a highly effective nature to find the weakness in a person and attack it.

Yes, Trump hit the pause button on China but he has failed in almost every other category in the war on Covid since that act. His administration crippled the CDC, the national pandemic response Plan was deleted, the world investigative and response experts recalled, he has been at war with the top medical advisors and has not entertained a briefing in over 2 months. He has promoted junk science, misled the public and set a terrible example for the nation to follow. He thinks knowing the scope of the infection “looks” bad. He attacks or Fires people who disagree with him. He worried about China but our biggest threats were coming from Western Europe and Brazil. Now he is pulling out of The WHO.

Trump missed his chance at a historic record of decisive action in a world crisis. It will likely cost him a second term.
Hard to argue with your post. I'm sure there are a bunch who will though.
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RE: The Truth About Covid
(07-10-2020 10:42 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Why are we arguing numbers.

136,000 Americans are dead in 4 months. Up to 60,000 dead from the flu and we have a vaccine for the flu. Approaching 600,000 Covid dead globally. Maybe when we have a vaccine for COVID feel safer but right now it is a highly contagious virus with a highly effective nature to find the weakness in a person and attack it.

Yes, Trump hit the pause button on China but he has failed in almost every other category in the war on Covid since that act. His administration crippled the CDC, the national pandemic response Plan was deleted, the world investigative and response experts recalled, he has been at war with the top medical advisors and has not entertained a briefing in over 2 months. He has promoted junk science, misled the public and set a terrible example for the nation to follow. He thinks knowing the scope of the infection “looks” bad. He attacks or Fires people who disagree with him. He worried about China but our biggest threats were coming from Western Europe and Brazil. Now he is pulling out of The WHO.

Trump missed his chance at a historic record of decisive action in a world crisis. It will likely cost him a second term.

Did Obama miss his chance when swine flu infected millions?
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RE: The Truth About Covid
(07-10-2020 10:42 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Why are we arguing numbers.

136,000 Americans are dead in 4 months. Up to 60,000 dead from the flu and we have a vaccine for the flu. Approaching 600,000 Covid dead globally. Maybe when we have a vaccine for COVID feel safer but right now it is a highly contagious virus with a highly effective nature to find the weakness in a person and attack it.

Yes, Trump hit the pause button on China but he has failed in almost every other category in the war on Covid since that act. His administration crippled the CDC, the national pandemic response Plan was deleted, the world investigative and response experts recalled, he has been at war with the top medical advisors and has not entertained a briefing in over 2 months. He has promoted junk science, misled the public and set a terrible example for the nation to follow. He thinks knowing the scope of the infection “looks” bad. He attacks or Fires people who disagree with him. He worried about China but our biggest threats were coming from Western Europe and Brazil. Now he is pulling out of The WHO.

Trump missed his chance at a historic record of decisive action in a world crisis. It will likely cost him a second term.



He canceled tomorrow's New Hampshire pep rally. And the frenzied convention he wanted in Jacksonville is looking more iffy.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurke...cf48221def


As to the ban, when Trump admin closed China, they forgot about Hong Kong and Macau. 8000 Chinese folks got in after the ban.... on 600 documented flights.

"Travelers from Hong Kong and Macao did not face the same scrutiny or screening processes as Americans or any foreign nationals coming into the U.S. after having been in Wuhan -- where the coronavirus outbreak started."


Here's the Fox link for those who get triggered by other networks.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/8000-chine...oronavirus
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