(08-08-2020 11:05 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 10:01 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Notre Dame is going to need a replacement for Western Michigan.


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Just shitcan the +1 game.

My suggestions for a replacement game for ND are Army or Cincinnati.

The MAC has strong ties to the B1G as their big brother. My son goes to Michigan and my daughter goes to Michigan State. They have both told me that they have been hearing rumors this week that the B1G is planning to cancel football this fall as players and staff keep testing positive for Covid19.

If the B1G cancels,then I can see everyone else canceling too. Being that The MAC is so tied close to the B1G, I wonder if they know something about the B1G's plan for the fall.

(08-08-2020 11:22 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  The MAC has strong ties to the B1G as their big brother. My son goes to Michigan and my daughter goes to Michigan State. They have both told me that they have been hearing rumors this week that the B1G is planning to cancel football this fall as players and staff keep testing positive for Covid19.

If the B1G cancels,then I can see everyone else canceling too. Being that The MAC is so tied close to the B1G, I wonder if they know something about the B1G's plan for the fall.

No, its money. They were down to 5 buy games instead of 15-20.

(08-08-2020 10:47 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Curious how much of the decision is based on “health & safety” versus “financial” concerns. Both factors are referenced by McMurphy.

The BIG and SEC decisions to go to conference-only competition is making it easier for other FBS schools to cancel games.

The big question is whether the P5's would have still paid for the canceled OOC games. If so, it would have indicated the health concerns were primary. The media stories seem to imply they would not, so the G5 revenue was lost and it was a double whammy.

https://twitter.com/blauds/status/1292154737761161216

Quote: Sources. Conference meetings calls being made everywhere. Tsunami of fb shutdowns coming?

MWC is about to fold shop too. 6 of the 12 schools are not even allowed to toss a football.

(08-08-2020 01:02 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 10:47 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Curious how much of the decision is based on “health & safety” versus “financial” concerns. Both factors are referenced by McMurphy.

The BIG and SEC decisions to go to conference-only competition is making it easier for other FBS schools to cancel games.

The big question is whether the P5's would have still paid for the canceled OOC games. If so, it would have indicated the health concerns were primary. The media stories seem to imply they would not, so the G5 revenue was lost and it was a double whammy.

All of the announced ACC games were with prescheduled opponents. I'm guessing that the P5 schools are on the hook to pay for their guaranty games if they are the ones to cancel them. Louisville, for instance, agreed to pay WKU and Murray St. their guaranties even before the ACC announced there would be a plus one game. They might as well get a game for what they are paying.

For newly negotiated games, it's hard to say. Many may be getting paid for a guaranty for another game that was cancelled. It strikes me that visiting opponents could reasonably demand travel costs.

(08-08-2020 09:55 AM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.cleveland.com/sports/2020/08...pluto.html

Author suggests MAC needs to take a hard look at what it is doing in football, whether than be FCS or limiting costs in FBS.

If you are playing 3 buy games as Kent St. does (as noted in the article), you shouldn't be in FBS.

To me what the 3 buy games at Kent St. says is the climate there among leadership is saying if they'll continue competing in FB only under condition that it maximizes revenue.

Easily then if that revenue is disrupted they could say its time to pack it in.

There are a lot of factors here too with streaming services becoming the dominant model a college no longer has to rely on playing a FB game against a P5 school to get on television.

Some of the other ideas suggested in the article like the MAC running 60 scholarships but remaining in FBS football are salary caps which just hinder the competitiveness of playing in the MAC and leading to schools exiting. Either do it right or forget about it.

(08-08-2020 01:06 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  MWC is about to fold shop too. 6 of the 12 schools are not even allowed to toss a football.

So Air Force is unaffected

(08-08-2020 01:38 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 01:06 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  MWC is about to fold shop too. 6 of the 12 schools are not even allowed to toss a football.

So Air Force is unaffected

Could have a football season with just Army, Navy and Air Force playing home and home.

The only schools that might be operating right now are Utah State, Boise State (not sure they are actually practicing or shut down like Idaho), Wyoming, Nevada, UNLV and Air Force. Some of these might be in lock down or paused, just not reported. The California schools, Hawaii, New Mexico and Colorado State are down.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-mac-bec...17793.html

Quote: The administration at Northern Illinois, one of the more powerful football schools in the league, had for weeks been loudly lobbying its preference to play football this spring.

The MAC lives on the fees of its so-called buy games as much as its modest media contract. And as leagues went to conference-only formats, it meant that only five profitable games remained on the MAC schedule — Ball State vs. Iowa State, Miami (Ohio) vs. Pitt, Ohio vs. Boston College, Western Michigan vs. Notre Dame and Buffalo vs. Kansas State.

The league presidents failed to come to a decision on what to do about fall sports in a conference call on Thursday. By the time they returned on Saturday, momentum had built. Northern Illinois was looking for allies in pushing to the spring, and the notion of small financial reward combined with the health risk was considerable. The cost of consistent testing was considered prohibitive at some MAC schools, and there’s a hope that more reliable instant testing will be available by the spring.

Heh, once again, Ivy beat them all to the punch.

I don’t see a spring season, though. If we get it, I wonder what pro prospects will do, or just how the NFL will feel about it in general, especially the draft.

I do think short seasons and conference-only schedules will be the best we can hope for out of the 2020-21 year, overall, for any sport that makes it through, and that assumes we see some significant improvement with cases and something toward a vaccine or solid treatment.

(08-08-2020 11:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 11:22 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  The MAC has strong ties to the B1G as their big brother. My son goes to Michigan and my daughter goes to Michigan State. They have both told me that they have been hearing rumors this week that the B1G is planning to cancel football this fall as players and staff keep testing positive for Covid19.

If the B1G cancels,then I can see everyone else canceling too. Being that The MAC is so tied close to the B1G, I wonder if they know something about the B1G's plan for the fall.

No, its money. They were down to 5 buy games instead of 15-20.

I think this is the likely motivation as well. The MAC seems highly dependent on buy games to fund football even at the current money-losing level. This argument was prominently raised at Akron by those defending keeping football at the FBS level during their budget crisis.

Without the buy games, MAC football is a DOA enterprise so just pull the plug.

The MAC is getting a lot of positive press from football-haters in the media, holding them up as a Noble Example of Doing the Right Thing. But IMO the decision was about $$$ and the lack of sustainability of MAC football without Buy games.

(08-08-2020 01:02 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 10:47 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Curious how much of the decision is based on “health & safety” versus “financial” concerns. Both factors are referenced by McMurphy.

The BIG and SEC decisions to go to conference-only competition is making it easier for other FBS schools to cancel games.

The big question is whether the P5's would have still paid for the canceled OOC games. If so, it would have indicated the health concerns were primary. The media stories seem to imply they would not, so the G5 revenue was lost and it was a double whammy.

Why on earth would P5 pay for games that were not played?

P5 do not pay for buy games with G5 out of a sense of welfare. It is because even with the buy payout, the P5 program also makes money via home attendance revenue. The G5 program gets paid because playing the game gives the P5 program the basis for holding a game and thus collecting the revenue.

If that revenue isn't coming,then the G5 isn't earning its pay, as in effect, the G5 is paid out of the revenues earned by the P5 from holding the game.

Presumably there are contracts / written agreements for these games and the amounts to be paid. And the P5's were the ones that reneged.

(08-09-2020 10:46 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Presumably there are contracts / written agreements for these games and the amounts to be paid. And the P5's were the ones that reneged.

It's hard to say the P5's "reneged" when (a) it was a conference decision not a school, and (b) the MAC itself just canceled its whole season so their schools "reneged" too.

(08-09-2020 10:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 10:46 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Presumably there are contracts / written agreements for these games and the amounts to be paid. And the P5's were the ones that reneged.

It's hard to say the P5's "reneged" when (a) it was a conference decision not a school, and (b) the MAC itself just canceled its whole season so their schools "reneged" too.

Hard to say that the MAC cancelling or postponing the season exonerates the P5 when the budgetary impact of the cancellation of the P5 games on ability to take on an expensive testing regime is one of the things that drove the MAC to cancel or postpone.

(08-09-2020 10:53 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 10:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 10:46 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Presumably there are contracts / written agreements for these games and the amounts to be paid. And the P5's were the ones that reneged.

It's hard to say the P5's "reneged" when (a) it was a conference decision not a school, and (b) the MAC itself just canceled its whole season so their schools "reneged" too.

Hard to say that the MAC cancelling or postponing the season exonerates the P5 when the budgetary impact of the cancellation of the P5 games on ability to take on an expensive testing regime is one of the things that drove the MAC to cancel or postpone.

It isn't hard to say that because (a) the P5 needs no 'exoneration' as they are responding to a pandemic, and (b), yes, when you cancel it's hard to argue that you suffered a loss, because well .... you canceled so aren't showing up anyway.

FWIW, in its cancellation statement, the MAC does not mention buy money, only COVID and the health and safety of its people as the reason for the cancellation (see link).

Heck, if you canceled *because* of not getting buy money from the P5, that's an admission that the P5 do not contractually owe you, because if by contract they did, there would be no reason to cancel, because you would get that money sooner or later (via the courts) any way.

https://twitter.com/MACSports/status/129...gr%5Etweet