(08-09-2020 07:50 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 07:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 07:37 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 07:31 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The SEC will shut down within hours of the B1G announcement. Anyone expecting different is fooling themselves.

Politics in The Big Ten won’t be making decisions for ACC and SEC.

Thats interesting. Ive always assumed the mind set of the ACC presidents was more similar to the Big10 administrators than SEC presidents.

Yeah, I always lump Big 12 w SEC w/ their focus on football.

Me too. That said--I think its little more than my perception of the way the conferences tend balance academics vs athletics....lol, so its a view thats not based on much at all. Jim would certainly know better than I.

(08-09-2020 07:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 07:45 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 07:43 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  So high schools across The Big Ten... Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin to name a few, will be playing this fall but universities won’t? Not a good look...

All high school sports here are shut down until at least Jan. Both my sophomore nephews were going to be starters on varsity. They still have practices w/ small pods of kids.

My friends in Orange County are doing the same thing. That’s why I haven’t expected The PAC to play this fall.

Fresno St. just debuted their new unis 3 or 4 days ago. Now likely no football. I'd take a 24 team NCAA football season this yr. even if it is just the SEC and Big 12. Probably not safe though.

(08-09-2020 07:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 07:37 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 07:31 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The SEC will shut down within hours of the B1G announcement. Anyone expecting different is fooling themselves.

Politics in The Big Ten won’t be making decisions for ACC and SEC.

Thats interesting. Ive always assumed the mind set of the ACC presidents was more similar to the Big10 administrators than SEC presidents.

The ACC would never align themselves with The Big Ten. Delaney stood against any changes The ACC tried to do with divisions. The Big Ten is run by a bunch of azz holes. If I learned anything living in a Big Ten State for decades that was it.

Why would the ACC align itself with the Big 10?

The ACC's natural partner is the SEC. Why would the ACC want the Big 10 to run college football? That's what this is really about - control.

Let me grab some tissues, I see some tears are flowing. Hang in there boys, life will go on.

There is a critical socio-political subtext to this - unions. The Big 10 and Pac 12 are located in Union States. The ACC and SEC are located mostly in "right to work" States. In many of these places from Texas, to Florida, to Virginia, hell will freeze over before many of these Universities give the appearance of caving in to a union.

(08-09-2020 08:12 PM)Statefan Wrote:  There is a critical socio-political subtext to this - unions. The Big 10 and Pac 12 are located in Union States. The ACC and SEC are located mostly in "right to work" States. In many of these places from Texas, to Florida, to Virginia, hell will freeze over before many of these Universities give the appearance of caving in to a union.

Virginia is a blue state now, so how are they not pro union?

(08-09-2020 07:16 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  So the universities in Michigan and Illinois, among others, are being pressured not to play football. As a result The Big Ten wants everyone else to shutdown since some of their universities are being forced into not playing.

Lots of politics as expected.

Did you read Barry Alvarez’s interview with Pete Thamel? He has a grandson on the Wisconsin Badgers and it was clear reading it to me that he wasn’t in favor of a season. I don’t think things are as “political” as you try to make it sound.

Alvarez, 73, spoke most poignantly as the grandfather of Badgers redshirt junior tight end Jake Ferguson. I asked Alvarez what happens when his daughter, Dawn, calls him and asks about how safe the season will be for her son. “I get that call,” Alvarez said. “I’m not quite sure [what to say]. I say, ‘I can’t tell you that right now.’ ”

So that’s a football guy and one of the “Deans” of the Big Ten with a pretty pessimistic take on the season. Furthermore the president of the University of Michigan has both an M.D. and Ph.D degrees from Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. I don’t think either the president of Michigan or Barry Alvarez arrived at this because of political pressure. At the end of the day football is a game, no more no less, and if you aren’t confident you can do it safely maybe that’s reason enough to cancel and we don’t need to assume there was some conspiracy to suppress the players. As a Wisconsin fan, if Barry is against a season, I trust him.

(08-09-2020 08:12 PM)Statefan Wrote:  There is a critical socio-political subtext to this - unions. The Big 10 and Pac 12 are located in Union States. The ACC and SEC are located mostly in "right to work" States. In many of these places from Texas, to Florida, to Virginia, hell will freeze over before many of these Universities give the appearance of caving in to a union.

Can you provide any quotes, evidence, comments, articles or literally anything to support the idea that the Big Ten cancelled the season because of unions? You don’t even make a causal connection between the two ideas.

You realize the Big Ten (Indiana) have a player who was training on campus and got Covid but recovered and now has serious heart complications right? You don’t think a news story like that might have effected the coaches and administrators more than the union boogeymen man? Not every decision we don’t like requires a conspiracy.

(08-09-2020 08:33 PM)bgwisc Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 08:12 PM)Statefan Wrote:  There is a critical socio-political subtext to this - unions. The Big 10 and Pac 12 are located in Union States. The ACC and SEC are located mostly in "right to work" States. In many of these places from Texas, to Florida, to Virginia, hell will freeze over before many of these Universities give the appearance of caving in to a union.

Can you provide any quotes, evidence, comments, articles or literally anything to support the idea that the Big Ten cancelled the season because of unions? You don’t even make a causal connection between the two ideas.

You realize the Big Ten (Indiana) have a player who was training on campus and got Covid but recovered and now has serious heart complications right? You don’t think a news story like that might have effected the coaches and administrators more than the union boogeymen man? Not every decision we don’t like requires a conspiracy.

Don't throw facts at them, they always want to keep it a North vs. South scenario. Like I said, here comes the political BS again.

(08-09-2020 08:33 PM)bgwisc Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 08:12 PM)Statefan Wrote:  There is a critical socio-political subtext to this - unions. The Big 10 and Pac 12 are located in Union States. The ACC and SEC are located mostly in "right to work" States. In many of these places from Texas, to Florida, to Virginia, hell will freeze over before many of these Universities give the appearance of caving in to a union.

Can you provide any quotes, evidence, comments, articles or literally anything to support the idea that the Big Ten cancelled the season because of unions? You don’t even make a causal connection between the two ideas.

You realize the Big Ten (Indiana) have a player who was training on campus and got Covid but recovered and now has serious heart complications right? You don’t think a news story like that might have effected the coaches and administrators more than the union boogeymen man? Not every decision we don’t like requires a conspiracy.

@MattHayesCFB

Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports. You potentially lose one season with the virus. You lose the entire framework of your mission statement with players organizing. They need time to figure out how to attack it.”


I don't talk out of my ass like some folks.

Here's a live link https://twitter.com/MattHayesCFB/status/...4943255554

Before you say something stupid because you have not considered the underlying economics of football and how football relates to universities - keep in mind that one of the worst nightmares you can have is some group of young yahoos obtaining a closed union shop and pissing off not just you the employer, but your OTHER employees.

As to the kid in Indiana. I hate he got sick, but yesterday driving through Chapel Hill I saw about 4,000 scantily clad coeds and only about 10% of them wearing masks. Just like you can't see herpes, crabs, and hiv, you can't see COVID on a bimbo. Are we to expect that these 19-22 year old football players are hiding from the bimbos?

When the Big 10 makes a business decision in it's favor, that's not a conspiracy - just business. I had not noticed them to be anything other than a business and damn big ones at that.

(08-09-2020 08:12 PM)Statefan Wrote:  There is a critical socio-political subtext to this - unions. The Big 10 and Pac 12 are located in Union States. The ACC and SEC are located mostly in "right to work" States. In many of these places from Texas, to Florida, to Virginia, hell will freeze over before many of these Universities give the appearance of caving in to a union.

Maybe in 1990, but ACC states now include New York, Pennsylvania, and Massachusetts.

(08-09-2020 09:36 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 08:12 PM)Statefan Wrote:  There is a critical socio-political subtext to this - unions. The Big 10 and Pac 12 are located in Union States. The ACC and SEC are located [b]mostly[/b] in "right to work" States. In many of these places from Texas, to Florida, to Virginia, hell will freeze over before many of these Universities give the appearance of caving in to a union.

Maybe in 1990, but ACC states now include New York, Pennsylvania, and Massachusetts.

Damn son, can you read?

WTF????

Would be really interesting to see what would happen if the P5 decide to shut down football in the fall and then the AAC, Sun Belt and CUSA decide to play. Raises the prospect of something like an Appy State/Cincinnati national championship game, and you can bet people would tune in since it would be the only college game in town. The amount of teeth gnashing from fans of the big boys would be delicious...

USFFan

(08-09-2020 09:25 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 08:33 PM)bgwisc Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 08:12 PM)Statefan Wrote:  There is a critical socio-political subtext to this - unions. The Big 10 and Pac 12 are located in Union States. The ACC and SEC are located mostly in "right to work" States. In many of these places from Texas, to Florida, to Virginia, hell will freeze over before many of these Universities give the appearance of caving in to a union.

Can you provide any quotes, evidence, comments, articles or literally anything to support the idea that the Big Ten cancelled the season because of unions? You don’t even make a causal connection between the two ideas.

You realize the Big Ten (Indiana) have a player who was training on campus and got Covid but recovered and now has serious heart complications right? You don’t think a news story like that might have effected the coaches and administrators more than the union boogeymen man? Not every decision we don’t like requires a conspiracy.

@MattHayesCFB

Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports. You potentially lose one season with the virus. You lose the entire framework of your mission statement with players organizing. They need time to figure out how to attack it.”


I don't talk out of my ass like some folks.

Here's a live link https://twitter.com/MattHayesCFB/status/...4943255554

Before you say something stupid because you have not considered the underlying economics of football and how football relates to universities - keep in mind that one of the worst nightmares you can have is some group of young yahoos obtaining a closed union shop and pissing off not just you the employer, but your OTHER employees.

As to the kid in Indiana. I hate he got sick, but yesterday driving through Chapel Hill I saw about 4,000 scantily clad coeds and only about 10% of them wearing masks. Just like you can't see herpes, crabs, and hiv, you can't see COVID on a bimbo. Are we to expect that these 19-22 year old football players are hiding from the bimbos?

When the Big 10 makes a business decision in it's favor, that's not a conspiracy - just business. I had not noticed them to be anything other than a business and damn big ones at that.

I'm going to backpedal a bit and give you my apology for one of my previous posts. You have a lot of good information and I shouldn't have intervened on your opinion.

B1G meeting Monday
P12 meeting Tuesday

Wilner says 50% B1G announces first, 40% P12 announces first, 10% both in a joint announcement

SEC feels it's not getting worse, wants to go ahead, B1G and P12 think it's not getting better and strong majority of CEOs want to stop.

"Unionizing" players also freaking all P5 Presidents and ADs out.

(08-09-2020 11:54 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  B1G meeting Monday
P12 meeting Tuesday

Wilner says 50% B1G announces first, 40% P12 announces first, 10% both in a joint announcement

SEC feels it's not getting worse, wants to go ahead, B1G and P12 think it's not getting better and strong majority of CEOs want to stop.

"Unionizing" players also freaking all P5 Presidents and ADs out.

As expected months ago....

It makes me wonder if the unionization thing wasn't where it was, would there be a bigger push to keep the season afloat? It looks a bit off to have that component far in the front of your mind, and making a point to call it as unionization, rather than a student aid/care issue, or just a liability matter in general. And maybe it is almost all about care, but the linkage and optics of cause and effect aren't a good one. It's like, yet again, schools run toward the wrong side of a topic or the stale tactic of demonizing the student athletes.

Shut it down. Only thing to do.