(09-18-2021 07:28 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Knowing this conference, we would add New Mexico State and Sam Houston State.

Dan Rather's book "The Camera Never Blinks", he talks about attending Sam Houston, but at that time it was known as Sam Houston Institute for Teachers.
They changed the name for obvious reasons.

(09-19-2021 12:21 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 11:33 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  LU with an unregulated purse, is something you don't want as a conference mate. We already have Bama saying the 17 yr old qb coming in, will make a $1.5 mil before he takes a snap in college. Freeze is a Class A dirt bag, with an unlimited purse, what you think he'll do. LU already offered the Sunbelt $25 mil to let them in, don't be their *****.

They offered us $800K to be a buy game in 2023, so for us at least that ship has kinda sailed.

Playing one game vs being conference mates, is very different. I also don't like taking buy games from other G5s. One and one, like we do with VCU in MBB and WBB is more a level field.

(09-18-2021 07:28 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Knowing this conference, we would add New Mexico State and Sam Houston State.

I think that would get consideration if the following circumstances occur:

1. Marshall leaves the conference, AND
2. The West Division loses at least 3 teams in which one of them is not UTEP

(09-19-2021 11:33 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  LU with an unregulated purse, is something you don't want as a conference mate. We already have Bama saying the 17 yr old qb coming in, will make a $1.5 mil before he takes a snap in college. Freeze is a Class A dirt bag, with an unlimited purse, what you think he'll do. LU already offered the Sunbelt $25 mil to let them in, don't be their *****.

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You do understand that Coach Freeze is not the only dirt bag. He just got caught. When you are at that level of football your fight for recruits is unreal, coaches push the limits of what they can do. He learned his lesson, hopefully and now he is building a PROGRAM that will be a major power soon. You better hope Liberty doesn't join C-USA because if they do, Watch out! Liberty will become the Alabama of C-USA.

(09-19-2021 01:58 PM)Sakatalonzo Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 11:33 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  LU with an unregulated purse, is something you don't want as a conference mate. We already have Bama saying the 17 yr old qb coming in, will make a $1.5 mil before he takes a snap in college. Freeze is a Class A dirt bag, with an unlimited purse, what you think he'll do. LU already offered the Sunbelt $25 mil to let them in, don't be their *****.

___________________________________________

You do understand that Coach Freeze is not the only dirt bag. He just got caught. When you are at that level of football your fight for recruits is unreal, coaches push the limits of what they can do. He learned his lesson, hopefully and now he is building a PROGRAM that will be a major power soon. You better hope Liberty doesn't join C-USA because if they do, Watch out! Liberty will become the Alabama of C-USA.

I understand Liberty is ok with supporting cheating dirt-bags, no problem. Go where your moral compass takes you.

(09-19-2021 01:58 PM)Sakatalonzo Wrote:  Liberty will become the Alabama of C-USA.

I thought you already wer … oh you mean football. carry on.

(09-19-2021 02:27 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 01:58 PM)Sakatalonzo Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 11:33 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  LU with an unregulated purse, is something you don't want as a conference mate. We already have Bama saying the 17 yr old qb coming in, will make a $1.5 mil before he takes a snap in college. Freeze is a Class A dirt bag, with an unlimited purse, what you think he'll do. LU already offered the Sunbelt $25 mil to let them in, don't be their *****.

___________________________________________

You do understand that Coach Freeze is not the only dirt bag. He just got caught. When you are at that level of football your fight for recruits is unreal, coaches push the limits of what they can do. He learned his lesson, hopefully and now he is building a PROGRAM that will be a major power soon. You better hope Liberty doesn't join C-USA because if they do, Watch out! Liberty will become the Alabama of C-USA.

I understand Liberty is ok with supporting cheating dirt-bags, no problem. Go where your moral compass takes you.

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There is a difference between supporting and giving someone a 2nd chance. What Liberty did with Freeze is what we are all about. Life happens and sometimes we make bad choices but I guess in your world, once someone commits a unmorally act they are cast away never to be seen again.

(09-19-2021 02:27 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 01:58 PM)Sakatalonzo Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 11:33 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  LU with an unregulated purse, is something you don't want as a conference mate. We already have Bama saying the 17 yr old qb coming in, will make a $1.5 mil before he takes a snap in college. Freeze is a Class A dirt bag, with an unlimited purse, what you think he'll do. LU already offered the Sunbelt $25 mil to let them in, don't be their *****.

___________________________________________

You do understand that Coach Freeze is not the only dirt bag. He just got caught. When you are at that level of football your fight for recruits is unreal, coaches push the limits of what they can do. He learned his lesson, hopefully and now he is building a PROGRAM that will be a major power soon. You better hope Liberty doesn't join C-USA because if they do, Watch out! Liberty will become the Alabama of C-USA.

I understand Liberty is ok with supporting cheating dirt-bags, no problem. Go where your moral compass takes you.

I dunno. I don't mean to sound too theological, but we were also taught to forgive others especially those, like Hugh Freeze, who have sought forgiveness. That's kind of in the lines of Liberty's teachings. Now, of course, he has to honor his repentance by being honest in his dealings moving forward or else he could be chastened again.

(09-19-2021 02:47 PM)Sakatalonzo Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 02:27 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 01:58 PM)Sakatalonzo Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 11:33 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  LU with an unregulated purse, is something you don't want as a conference mate. We already have Bama saying the 17 yr old qb coming in, will make a $1.5 mil before he takes a snap in college. Freeze is a Class A dirt bag, with an unlimited purse, what you think he'll do. LU already offered the Sunbelt $25 mil to let them in, don't be their *****.

___________________________________________

You do understand that Coach Freeze is not the only dirt bag. He just got caught. When you are at that level of football your fight for recruits is unreal, coaches push the limits of what they can do. He learned his lesson, hopefully and now he is building a PROGRAM that will be a major power soon. You better hope Liberty doesn't join C-USA because if they do, Watch out! Liberty will become the Alabama of C-USA.

I understand Liberty is ok with supporting cheating dirt-bags, no problem. Go where your moral compass takes you.

______________________________________________

There is a difference between supporting and giving someone a 2nd chance. What Liberty did with Freeze is what we are all about. Life happens and sometimes we make bad choices but I guess in your world, once someone commits a unmorally act they are cast away never to be seen again.

Don’t waste your time with some of these clowns. The only problem I have with Liberty are the academics and that’s why the SB is probably the best fit for now.

clt says academics matter

The SBC / CUSA ship sailed for Liberty. AAC or Indy. CUSA would be a step down from our Indy schedules over the next 10 years, and we don’t need a conference for bowl games. I say that in the nicest, kindest way possible. Look at our 2022 schedule -

Sep 03 - @ Southern Miss
Sep 10 - UAB
Sep 17 - @ Wake Forest
Sep 24 - Akron
Oct 01 - @ ODU
Oct 08 - @ UMass
Oct 15 - Gardner-Webb
Oct 22 - BYU
Oct 29 - OPEN
Nov 05 - @ Arkansas
Nov 12 - @ UConn
Nov 19 - Virginia Tech
Nov 27 - New Mexico State

Hosting Tech and BYU. Away at Wake and Arkansas. Why would we trade that for an all SBC schedule? [/align]

(09-19-2021 04:41 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  The SBC / CUSA ship sailed for Liberty. AAC or Indy. CUSA would be a step down from our Indy schedules over the next 10 years, and we don’t need a conference for bowl games. I say that in the nicest, kindest way possible. Look at our 2022 schedule -

Sep 03 - @ Southern Miss
Sep 10 - UAB
Sep 17 - @ Wake Forest
Sep 24 - Akron
Oct 01 - @ ODU
Oct 08 - @ UMass
Oct 15 - Gardner-Webb
Oct 22 - BYU
Oct 29 - OPEN
Nov 05 - @ Arkansas
Nov 12 - @ UConn
Nov 19 - Virginia Tech
Nov 27 - New Mexico State

Hosting Tech and BYU. Away at Wake and Arkansas. Why would we trade that for an all SBC schedule? [/align]

Uhhhhh. Conference USA or the Sun Belt is a step down from Akron, UMass, Gardner-Webb, New Mexico State, and UConn??

(09-19-2021 04:41 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  The SBC / CUSA ship sailed for Liberty. AAC or Indy. CUSA would be a step down from our Indy schedules over the next 10 years, and we don’t need a conference for bowl games. I say that in the nicest, kindest way possible. Look at our 2022 schedule -

Sep 03 - @ Southern Miss
Sep 10 - UAB
Sep 17 - @ Wake Forest
Sep 24 - Akron
Oct 01 - @ ODU
Oct 08 - @ UMass
Oct 15 - Gardner-Webb
Oct 22 - BYU
Oct 29 - OPEN
Nov 05 - @ Arkansas
Nov 12 - @ UConn
Nov 19 - Virginia Tech
Nov 27 - New Mexico State

Hosting Tech and BYU. Away at Wake and Arkansas. Why would we trade that for an all SBC schedule? [/align]

BYU's leaving the indie dance floor. You can do a buy and two H/H or two buys and a H/H with a SBC/CUSA/MAC schedule. But more importantly, if they go ahead with the 6+6 playoffs, do you really want to be 11-0 or 10-1 playing for nothing more than that New Mexico State game and whatever bowl you can get a deal with?

(09-19-2021 04:52 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 04:41 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  The SBC / CUSA ship sailed for Liberty. AAC or Indy. CUSA would be a step down from our Indy schedules over the next 10 years, and we don’t need a conference for bowl games. I say that in the nicest, kindest way possible. Look at our 2022 schedule -

Sep 03 - @ Southern Miss
Sep 10 - UAB
Sep 17 - @ Wake Forest
Sep 24 - Akron
Oct 01 - @ ODU
Oct 08 - @ UMass
Oct 15 - Gardner-Webb
Oct 22 - BYU
Oct 29 - OPEN
Nov 05 - @ Arkansas
Nov 12 - @ UConn
Nov 19 - Virginia Tech
Nov 27 - New Mexico State

Hosting Tech and BYU. Away at Wake and Arkansas. Why would we trade that for an all SBC schedule? [/align]

BYU's leaving the indie dance floor. You can do a buy and two H/H or two buys and a H/H with a SBC/CUSA/MAC schedule. But more importantly, if they go ahead with the 6+6 playoffs, do you really want to be 11-0 or 10-1 playing for nothing more than that New Mexico State game and whatever bowl you can get a deal with?

Now that BYU will be joining the Big XII starting in 2023, any schools that are on the 2023 schedule or beyond can legally either be canceled with no buyout, rescheduled to a different season, or kept as is provided BYU gives a 12-month notice. This is due to an out clause BYU has in all of their football contracts that allow them to cancel a future contest with no penalty as long as they provide a year notice and are doing so to accommodate a schedule related to acceptance into an Autonomy Conference.

(09-19-2021 04:52 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 04:41 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  The SBC / CUSA ship sailed for Liberty. AAC or Indy. CUSA would be a step down from our Indy schedules over the next 10 years, and we don’t need a conference for bowl games. I say that in the nicest, kindest way possible. Look at our 2022 schedule -

Sep 03 - @ Southern Miss
Sep 10 - UAB
Sep 17 - @ Wake Forest
Sep 24 - Akron
Oct 01 - @ ODU
Oct 08 - @ UMass
Oct 15 - Gardner-Webb
Oct 22 - BYU
Oct 29 - OPEN
Nov 05 - @ Arkansas
Nov 12 - @ UConn
Nov 19 - Virginia Tech
Nov 27 - New Mexico State

Hosting Tech and BYU. Away at Wake and Arkansas. Why would we trade that for an all SBC schedule? [/align]

BYU's leaving the indie dance floor. You can do a buy and two H/H or two buys and a H/H with a SBC/CUSA/MAC schedule. But more importantly, if they go ahead with the 6+6 playoffs, do you really want to be 11-0 or 10-1 playing for nothing more than that New Mexico State game and whatever bowl you can get a deal with?

Backhand….smack!

LIBERTY may turn down C-USA or they may NOT (CFP money and opportunity). The AAC will not invite AND I think they would turn down the SBC. I think the ODU admin. is all behind the idea.

We should make our best invite/pitch NOW-- all sports of course. Seems obvious unless you can get a top SBC team (doubtful).

--- Strong team (just outside top 25)

-- Good BB also

-- Geography

-- a respectable national following

-- should make Eastern schools happy

A year ago I would not have made this post. Times change. Reality.

(09-19-2021 07:24 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 10:37 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 09:53 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 09:42 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  Canceling last year's games appears to set the tone the university is not as committed as others to FB.

It was a COVID precaution so I can understand the confusion

Both statements true.

The "appears" is not my sentiment or judgement, but expressed my many posters and talking heads. From one view, it was a very smart move to place the safeguard of the students above the allure of sports (if it's the true reason). From the opposite perspective, ODU overreacted and hindered it's sports brand. Somewhere between the two is the true answer.

Well I took it this way: We just spent a hell of a lot of money to build a new stadium in 9 mos. We have been playing FBS football for only 6 years, and only took advantage of 1 maybe 2 years of good TV revenue. Student safety did play a major part, but just where were we supposed to get all that extra money from for Covid precautions, playing games in front of no crowd. Travel expenses which could have been a waste, in case we arrive in said CUSA destination, which is a Covid Hot Bed only to have a game cancelled. UVA, VT, Liberty have all the money in the state, and we have a conservative legislature who is doing his best to stick us with regulations to bankrupt our athletics. We don't have the money you FBS programs have yet. Hell our Baseball team cannot host a regional because of facilities. As much as you CUSA fans complain about what a drag we are on the conference, I would think you were happy to not have to play us last year.

(09-19-2021 08:09 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  LIBERTY may turn down C-USA or they may NOT (CFP money and opportunity). The AAC will not invite AND I think they would turn down the SBC. I think the ODU admin. is all behind the idea.

We should make our best invite/pitch NOW-- all sports of course. Seems obvious unless you can get a top SBC team (doubtful).

--- Strong team (just outside top 25)

-- Good BB also

-- Geography

-- a respectable national following

-- should make Eastern schools happy

A year ago I would not have made this post. Times change. Reality.

Heck, as far as times changing, it seems as if the landscape is bubbling. So much instability.

(09-19-2021 01:58 PM)Sakatalonzo Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 11:33 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  LU with an unregulated purse, is something you don't want as a conference mate. We already have Bama saying the 17 yr old qb coming in, will make a $1.5 mil before he takes a snap in college. Freeze is a Class A dirt bag, with an unlimited purse, what you think he'll do. LU already offered the Sunbelt $25 mil to let them in, don't be their *****.

___________________________________________

You do understand that Coach Freeze is not the only dirt bag. He just got caught. When you are at that level of football your fight for recruits is unreal, coaches push the limits of what they can do. He learned his lesson, hopefully and now he is building a PROGRAM that will be a major power soon. You better hope Liberty doesn't join C-USA because if they do, Watch out! Liberty will become the Alabama of C-USA.

Coach Freeze can continue to be a cheating dirt bag because he works in the Heart of corruption. There is enough right wing money there to make any powers that be, including the NCAA, look the other way. Evangelical money = Corruption to no end. Thank you Jim and Tammy

(09-19-2021 08:58 PM)TedHead Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 01:58 PM)Sakatalonzo Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 11:33 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  LU with an unregulated purse, is something you don't want as a conference mate. We already have Bama saying the 17 yr old qb coming in, will make a $1.5 mil before he takes a snap in college. Freeze is a Class A dirt bag, with an unlimited purse, what you think he'll do. LU already offered the Sunbelt $25 mil to let them in, don't be their *****.

___________________________________________

You do understand that Coach Freeze is not the only dirt bag. He just got caught. When you are at that level of football your fight for recruits is unreal, coaches push the limits of what they can do. He learned his lesson, hopefully and now he is building a PROGRAM that will be a major power soon. You better hope Liberty doesn't join C-USA because if they do, Watch out! Liberty will become the Alabama of C-USA.

Coach Freeze can continue to be a cheating dirt bag because he works in the Heart of corruption. There is enough right wing money there to make any powers that be, including the NCAA, look the other way. Evangelical money = Corruption to no end. Thank you Jim and Tammy

Has nothing to do with right wing bs left wing, no need to bring that nonsense in here.