Well that is the best offensive half I've ever seen from an ECU team.

59-33 ECU at the half. Pirates are 9-11 from beyond the arc.

ECU up 26 at the half

I think West Carolina isn’t a terrible team they played Wake Forest well and beat Bowling Green team they were expected to lose to

ECU moves to 3-0 with a win against Western Carolina 95-79

Western hit 16 3-pointers, ECU didn’t hit one in the second half after going 9-11 in the first. We have to have the streakiest shooters in the country.

Canisius up on #23 SBU. Would be a boost potentially for ECU's metrics and possibly UCF as well. Canisius previous two games had resulted in losses to Miami and ECU by similar margins.

(11-14-2021 06:01 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Canisius up on #23 SBU. Would be a boost potentially for ECU's metrics and possibly UCF as well. Canisius previous two games had resulted in losses to Miami and ECU by similar margins.

ECU was winning by 25 and put 4 freshmen on the court and it got cut to 14.

(11-14-2021 12:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  just looking at schedules going forwards

with how poor the aac has started those relying on the aac to get them in the tourney unlikely to make it

memphis is done with dead wight games for a while, stil not heavyweight but is playing games where losing is at least a possibility .. the next 2: saint louis is a top 100 kenpom.. and wku took minnesota to the wire despite 3 of its best players not playing ( Keith Williams - waiting on NCAA eligibility clearance, 5* zion harmon personal reasons, Camron Justice minor injury) - if all 3 can play that game becomes really interesting
-- side note it sucks for wku, the heart of their schedule is in the next 3weeks and its no guarantee its players will b available- coming back for the c-usa schedule is almost meaningless

tulsa schedule already came in very weak, but their "big" games (oregon st, boise, oral roberts, loyaola marymount) have all lost buy games or been badly blown out.. with a q4 loss in airforce.. we are only 2 games into the season it would take a miracle to get tulsa a bid

usf lost badly in a q4 game, they actually have the schedule to bounce back (They wont) but if corey walker (injured, former 4star) is cleared this week and is some magical player, everything is still in front of them,

if tulane has any remote shot at a bounce-back at large, its on Wednesday vs FSU
ecu was self eliminated before the season started, but the only good game on their schedule is thursday vs Oklahoma, in rd1 of their tourney

cincys schedule is terrible, anything higher than a 9 seed disappears if they dont win the 1st round of their tourney

temple starts it pre-conference tourney in 3 days, which is a monster tourney.. temple diving headfirst into its hard games

Wichita has 5 days and 1 body bag game to figure out its issues .. the next 5 games after that are likely all power teams

fun note: the a10 lost a insane amount of buy games on friday and saturday.. there are only 5 undefeated a10 left...of those 5 this week memphis plays st louis, tulsa plays rhode island, temple can play st bonny if it beats Clemson...(george mason is going to lose to maryland this week)..

I actually think UC has multiple chances at big wins.. they are unlikely to get them but they do have chances.

#4 Illinois: the 2nd best Non conference game in the league, 2nd only to #2 Mich

#19 Arkansa: If UC somehow beats Arkansas they get back to back tier 1 chances. IF they lose, they get a tier 2 chance against #83 KSTATE

@ #113 Miami is a tier 2 road game

@ #37 Xavier is a Tier 1 road game

IF UC went undefeated, which is highly unlikely, they'd have some serious scalps and would have all their major wins being away from home.


That said, I think UC will go 2-2 in its big time games.. Beating Miami and K-State, and not finishing with a single tier 1 win (unless Miami can over achieve and be top 75).

UC could get a 3-6 seed if they win out, but most likely scenario is a 10-12 seed and thats if they can win every game at home in conference and Steal a road win or two WSU, Memphis, Houston, SMU, or UCF

But this season was scheduled perfectly. Its about building a winning culture and building a brand..... Houston's scheduling under Sampson made this schedule look tough in his first few years

(11-14-2021 06:01 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Canisius up on #23 SBU. Would be a boost potentially for ECU's metrics and possibly UCF as well. Canisius previous two games had resulted in losses to Miami and ECU by similar margins.

I know the Bonnies came back to win, but this is my problem with pre/early season polls. If St. Bonaventure is a top 25 team then ECU is easily top 10. Basketball polls shouldn’t come out until the early season tournaments are completed. Then you really have an idea of who the contenders are.

(11-14-2021 07:06 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 06:01 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Canisius up on #23 SBU. Would be a boost potentially for ECU's metrics and possibly UCF as well. Canisius previous two games had resulted in losses to Miami and ECU by similar margins.

I know the Bonnies came back to win, but this is my problem with pre/early season polls. If St. Bonaventure is a top 25 team then ECU is easily top 10. Basketball polls shouldn’t come out until the early season tournaments are completed. Then you really have an idea of who the contenders are.

Would've been a nice upset for the metrics. Wasn't meant to be. Maybe you guys can knock off OU.

(11-14-2021 06:16 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 12:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  just looking at schedules going forwards

with how poor the aac has started those relying on the aac to get them in the tourney unlikely to make it

memphis is done with dead wight games for a while, stil not heavyweight but is playing games where losing is at least a possibility .. the next 2: saint louis is a top 100 kenpom.. and wku took minnesota to the wire despite 3 of its best players not playing ( Keith Williams - waiting on NCAA eligibility clearance, 5* zion harmon personal reasons, Camron Justice minor injury) - if all 3 can play that game becomes really interesting
-- side note it sucks for wku, the heart of their schedule is in the next 3weeks and its no guarantee its players will b available- coming back for the c-usa schedule is almost meaningless

tulsa schedule already came in very weak, but their "big" games (oregon st, boise, oral roberts, loyaola marymount) have all lost buy games or been badly blown out.. with a q4 loss in airforce.. we are only 2 games into the season it would take a miracle to get tulsa a bid

usf lost badly in a q4 game, they actually have the schedule to bounce back (They wont) but if corey walker (injured, former 4star) is cleared this week and is some magical player, everything is still in front of them,

if tulane has any remote shot at a bounce-back at large, its on Wednesday vs FSU
ecu was self eliminated before the season started, but the only good game on their schedule is thursday vs Oklahoma, in rd1 of their tourney

cincys schedule is terrible, anything higher than a 9 seed disappears if they dont win the 1st round of their tourney

temple starts it pre-conference tourney in 3 days, which is a monster tourney.. temple diving headfirst into its hard games

Wichita has 5 days and 1 body bag game to figure out its issues .. the next 5 games after that are likely all power teams

fun note: the a10 lost a insane amount of buy games on friday and saturday.. there are only 5 undefeated a10 left...of those 5 this week memphis plays st louis, tulsa plays rhode island, temple can play st bonny if it beats Clemson...(george mason is going to lose to maryland this week)..

I actually think UC has multiple chances at big wins.. they are unlikely to get them but they do have chances.

#4 Illinois: the 2nd best Non conference game in the league, 2nd only to #2 Mich

#19 Arkansa: If UC somehow beats Arkansas they get back to back tier 1 chances. IF they lose, they get a tier 2 chance against #83 KSTATE

@ #113 Miami is a tier 2 road game

@ #37 Xavier is a Tier 1 road game

IF UC went undefeated, which is highly unlikely, they'd have some serious scalps and would have all their major wins being away from home.


That said, I think UC will go 2-2 in its big time games.. Beating Miami and K-State, and not finishing with a single tier 1 win (unless Miami can over achieve and be top 75).

UC could get a 3-6 seed if they win out, but most likely scenario is a 10-12 seed and thats if they can win every game at home in conference and Steal a road win or two WSU, Memphis, Houston, SMU, or UCF

But this season was scheduled perfectly. Its about building a winning culture and building a brand..... Houston's scheduling under Sampson made this schedule look tough in his first few years

you noted my biggest point, that you have to beat Illinois to get anything higher than a 9 seed, if you lose to Illinois you don't get Arkansas and likely playing kansas state (projected worst big 12 team) in the 2nd round

(11-14-2021 07:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 06:16 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 12:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  just looking at schedules going forwards

with how poor the aac has started those relying on the aac to get them in the tourney unlikely to make it

memphis is done with dead wight games for a while, stil not heavyweight but is playing games where losing is at least a possibility .. the next 2: saint louis is a top 100 kenpom.. and wku took minnesota to the wire despite 3 of its best players not playing ( Keith Williams - waiting on NCAA eligibility clearance, 5* zion harmon personal reasons, Camron Justice minor injury) - if all 3 can play that game becomes really interesting
-- side note it sucks for wku, the heart of their schedule is in the next 3weeks and its no guarantee its players will b available- coming back for the c-usa schedule is almost meaningless

tulsa schedule already came in very weak, but their "big" games (oregon st, boise, oral roberts, loyaola marymount) have all lost buy games or been badly blown out.. with a q4 loss in airforce.. we are only 2 games into the season it would take a miracle to get tulsa a bid

usf lost badly in a q4 game, they actually have the schedule to bounce back (They wont) but if corey walker (injured, former 4star) is cleared this week and is some magical player, everything is still in front of them,

if tulane has any remote shot at a bounce-back at large, its on Wednesday vs FSU
ecu was self eliminated before the season started, but the only good game on their schedule is thursday vs Oklahoma, in rd1 of their tourney

cincys schedule is terrible, anything higher than a 9 seed disappears if they dont win the 1st round of their tourney

temple starts it pre-conference tourney in 3 days, which is a monster tourney.. temple diving headfirst into its hard games

Wichita has 5 days and 1 body bag game to figure out its issues .. the next 5 games after that are likely all power teams

fun note: the a10 lost a insane amount of buy games on friday and saturday.. there are only 5 undefeated a10 left...of those 5 this week memphis plays st louis, tulsa plays rhode island, temple can play st bonny if it beats Clemson...(george mason is going to lose to maryland this week)..

I actually think UC has multiple chances at big wins.. they are unlikely to get them but they do have chances.

#4 Illinois: the 2nd best Non conference game in the league, 2nd only to #2 Mich

#19 Arkansa: If UC somehow beats Arkansas they get back to back tier 1 chances. IF they lose, they get a tier 2 chance against #83 KSTATE

@ #113 Miami is a tier 2 road game

@ #37 Xavier is a Tier 1 road game

IF UC went undefeated, which is highly unlikely, they'd have some serious scalps and would have all their major wins being away from home.


That said, I think UC will go 2-2 in its big time games.. Beating Miami and K-State, and not finishing with a single tier 1 win (unless Miami can over achieve and be top 75).

UC could get a 3-6 seed if they win out, but most likely scenario is a 10-12 seed and thats if they can win every game at home in conference and Steal a road win or two WSU, Memphis, Houston, SMU, or UCF

But this season was scheduled perfectly. Its about building a winning culture and building a brand..... Houston's scheduling under Sampson made this schedule look tough in his first few years

you noted my biggest point, that you have to beat Illinois, to get anything higher than a 9 seed, if you lose to Illinois you dont get arkansas and likley playing kansas state (projected worst big 12 team) in the 2nd round

Way too early to make any kind of proclamations on what seeding can look like.

(11-14-2021 09:00 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 07:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 06:16 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 12:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  just looking at schedules going forwards

with how poor the aac has started those relying on the aac to get them in the tourney unlikely to make it

memphis is done with dead wight games for a while, stil not heavyweight but is playing games where losing is at least a possibility .. the next 2: saint louis is a top 100 kenpom.. and wku took minnesota to the wire despite 3 of its best players not playing ( Keith Williams - waiting on NCAA eligibility clearance, 5* zion harmon personal reasons, Camron Justice minor injury) - if all 3 can play that game becomes really interesting
-- side note it sucks for wku, the heart of their schedule is in the next 3weeks and its no guarantee its players will b available- coming back for the c-usa schedule is almost meaningless

tulsa schedule already came in very weak, but their "big" games (oregon st, boise, oral roberts, loyaola marymount) have all lost buy games or been badly blown out.. with a q4 loss in airforce.. we are only 2 games into the season it would take a miracle to get tulsa a bid

usf lost badly in a q4 game, they actually have the schedule to bounce back (They wont) but if corey walker (injured, former 4star) is cleared this week and is some magical player, everything is still in front of them,

if tulane has any remote shot at a bounce-back at large, its on Wednesday vs FSU
ecu was self eliminated before the season started, but the only good game on their schedule is thursday vs Oklahoma, in rd1 of their tourney

cincys schedule is terrible, anything higher than a 9 seed disappears if they dont win the 1st round of their tourney

temple starts it pre-conference tourney in 3 days, which is a monster tourney.. temple diving headfirst into its hard games

Wichita has 5 days and 1 body bag game to figure out its issues .. the next 5 games after that are likely all power teams

fun note: the a10 lost a insane amount of buy games on friday and saturday.. there are only 5 undefeated a10 left...of those 5 this week memphis plays st louis, tulsa plays rhode island, temple can play st bonny if it beats Clemson...(george mason is going to lose to maryland this week)..

I actually think UC has multiple chances at big wins.. they are unlikely to get them but they do have chances.

#4 Illinois: the 2nd best Non conference game in the league, 2nd only to #2 Mich

#19 Arkansa: If UC somehow beats Arkansas they get back to back tier 1 chances. IF they lose, they get a tier 2 chance against #83 KSTATE

@ #113 Miami is a tier 2 road game

@ #37 Xavier is a Tier 1 road game

IF UC went undefeated, which is highly unlikely, they'd have some serious scalps and would have all their major wins being away from home.


That said, I think UC will go 2-2 in its big time games.. Beating Miami and K-State, and not finishing with a single tier 1 win (unless Miami can over achieve and be top 75).

UC could get a 3-6 seed if they win out, but most likely scenario is a 10-12 seed and thats if they can win every game at home in conference and Steal a road win or two WSU, Memphis, Houston, SMU, or UCF

But this season was scheduled perfectly. Its about building a winning culture and building a brand..... Houston's scheduling under Sampson made this schedule look tough in his first few years

you noted my biggest point, that you have to beat Illinois, to get anything higher than a 9 seed, if you lose to Illinois you dont get arkansas and likley playing kansas state (projected worst big 12 team) in the 2nd round

Way too early to make any kind of proclamations on what seeding can look like.

Agreed...

If Memphis and Houston come into the league undefeatedj..Or even another team that has a decent OOC schedule...That opens a ton of avenues for other teams to increase their profile.

Based on my preseason expectations, If we are in the tournament conversation in February I’ve got wood. So unconcerned with seeding. This OOC wasn’t built for tourney seeding obviously. It was set to be a soft landing spot in a building year.

(11-14-2021 09:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:00 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 07:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 06:16 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 12:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  just looking at schedules going forwards

with how poor the aac has started those relying on the aac to get them in the tourney unlikely to make it

memphis is done with dead wight games for a while, stil not heavyweight but is playing games where losing is at least a possibility .. the next 2: saint louis is a top 100 kenpom.. and wku took minnesota to the wire despite 3 of its best players not playing ( Keith Williams - waiting on NCAA eligibility clearance, 5* zion harmon personal reasons, Camron Justice minor injury) - if all 3 can play that game becomes really interesting
-- side note it sucks for wku, the heart of their schedule is in the next 3weeks and its no guarantee its players will b available- coming back for the c-usa schedule is almost meaningless

tulsa schedule already came in very weak, but their "big" games (oregon st, boise, oral roberts, loyaola marymount) have all lost buy games or been badly blown out.. with a q4 loss in airforce.. we are only 2 games into the season it would take a miracle to get tulsa a bid

usf lost badly in a q4 game, they actually have the schedule to bounce back (They wont) but if corey walker (injured, former 4star) is cleared this week and is some magical player, everything is still in front of them,

if tulane has any remote shot at a bounce-back at large, its on Wednesday vs FSU
ecu was self eliminated before the season started, but the only good game on their schedule is thursday vs Oklahoma, in rd1 of their tourney

cincys schedule is terrible, anything higher than a 9 seed disappears if they dont win the 1st round of their tourney

temple starts it pre-conference tourney in 3 days, which is a monster tourney.. temple diving headfirst into its hard games

Wichita has 5 days and 1 body bag game to figure out its issues .. the next 5 games after that are likely all power teams

fun note: the a10 lost a insane amount of buy games on friday and saturday.. there are only 5 undefeated a10 left...of those 5 this week memphis plays st louis, tulsa plays rhode island, temple can play st bonny if it beats Clemson...(george mason is going to lose to maryland this week)..

I actually think UC has multiple chances at big wins.. they are unlikely to get them but they do have chances.

#4 Illinois: the 2nd best Non conference game in the league, 2nd only to #2 Mich

#19 Arkansa: If UC somehow beats Arkansas they get back to back tier 1 chances. IF they lose, they get a tier 2 chance against #83 KSTATE

@ #113 Miami is a tier 2 road game

@ #37 Xavier is a Tier 1 road game

IF UC went undefeated, which is highly unlikely, they'd have some serious scalps and would have all their major wins being away from home.


That said, I think UC will go 2-2 in its big time games.. Beating Miami and K-State, and not finishing with a single tier 1 win (unless Miami can over achieve and be top 75).

UC could get a 3-6 seed if they win out, but most likely scenario is a 10-12 seed and thats if they can win every game at home in conference and Steal a road win or two WSU, Memphis, Houston, SMU, or UCF

But this season was scheduled perfectly. Its about building a winning culture and building a brand..... Houston's scheduling under Sampson made this schedule look tough in his first few years

you noted my biggest point, that you have to beat Illinois, to get anything higher than a 9 seed, if you lose to Illinois you dont get arkansas and likley playing kansas state (projected worst big 12 team) in the 2nd round

Way too early to make any kind of proclamations on what seeding can look like.

Agreed...

If Memphis and Houston come into the league undefeatedj..Or even another team that has a decent OOC schedule...That opens a ton of avenues for other teams to increase their profile.

Even as a homer it's hard for me to believe Memphis would go into league play undefeated. We play four SEC teams with really good teams before them. Memphis will not go into league play undefeated.

Our best players should be seniors in high school. They're about to get a rude awakening. Not saying it's impossible, but highly unlikely. Pump the brakes applies here.

Come March...........

(11-14-2021 09:58 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:00 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 07:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 06:16 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  I actually think UC has multiple chances at big wins.. they are unlikely to get them but they do have chances.

#4 Illinois: the 2nd best Non conference game in the league, 2nd only to #2 Mich

#19 Arkansa: If UC somehow beats Arkansas they get back to back tier 1 chances. IF they lose, they get a tier 2 chance against #83 KSTATE

@ #113 Miami is a tier 2 road game

@ #37 Xavier is a Tier 1 road game

IF UC went undefeated, which is highly unlikely, they'd have some serious scalps and would have all their major wins being away from home.


That said, I think UC will go 2-2 in its big time games.. Beating Miami and K-State, and not finishing with a single tier 1 win (unless Miami can over achieve and be top 75).

UC could get a 3-6 seed if they win out, but most likely scenario is a 10-12 seed and thats if they can win every game at home in conference and Steal a road win or two WSU, Memphis, Houston, SMU, or UCF

But this season was scheduled perfectly. Its about building a winning culture and building a brand..... Houston's scheduling under Sampson made this schedule look tough in his first few years

you noted my biggest point, that you have to beat Illinois, to get anything higher than a 9 seed, if you lose to Illinois you dont get arkansas and likley playing kansas state (projected worst big 12 team) in the 2nd round

Way too early to make any kind of proclamations on what seeding can look like.

Agreed...

If Memphis and Houston come into the league undefeatedj..Or even another team that has a decent OOC schedule...That opens a ton of avenues for other teams to increase their profile.

Even as a homer it's hard for me to believe Memphis would go into league play undefeated. We play four SEC teams with really good teams before them. Memphis will not go into league play undefeated.

Our best players should be seniors in high school. They're about to get a rude awakening. Not saying it's impossible, but highly unlikely. Pump the brakes applies here.

Come March...........

Memphis vs St Louis game Tuesday ...all I know about St Louis is they lost their BEST player for the year (Perkins ?) and Jordan Nesbitt transferred to them after playing a few minutes for us last year. Oh and Travis Ford is their coach. I'm hearing good guards but not goog bigs. Help me out Pesik.
SLU scouting report.

(11-14-2021 10:48 PM)steves Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:58 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:00 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 07:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  you noted my biggest point, that you have to beat Illinois, to get anything higher than a 9 seed, if you lose to Illinois you dont get arkansas and likley playing kansas state (projected worst big 12 team) in the 2nd round

Way too early to make any kind of proclamations on what seeding can look like.

Agreed...

If Memphis and Houston come into the league undefeatedj..Or even another team that has a decent OOC schedule...That opens a ton of avenues for other teams to increase their profile.

Even as a homer it's hard for me to believe Memphis would go into league play undefeated. We play four SEC teams with really good teams before them. Memphis will not go into league play undefeated.

Our best players should be seniors in high school. They're about to get a rude awakening. Not saying it's impossible, but highly unlikely. Pump the brakes applies here.

Come March...........

Memphis vs St Louis game Tuesday ...all I know about St Louis is they lost their BEST player for the year (Perkins ?) and Jordan Nesbitt transferred to them after playing a few minutes for us last year. Oh and Travis Ford is their coach. I'm hearing good guards but not goog bigs. Help me out Pesik.
SLU scouting report.

Thanks for the info. Interesting. Nesbit?

(11-14-2021 10:55 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 10:48 PM)steves Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:58 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:00 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Way too early to make any kind of proclamations on what seeding can look like.

Agreed...

If Memphis and Houston come into the league undefeatedj..Or even another team that has a decent OOC schedule...That opens a ton of avenues for other teams to increase their profile.

Even as a homer it's hard for me to believe Memphis would go into league play undefeated. We play four SEC teams with really good teams before them. Memphis will not go into league play undefeated.

Our best players should be seniors in high school. They're about to get a rude awakening. Not saying it's impossible, but highly unlikely. Pump the brakes applies here.

Come March...........

Memphis vs St Louis game Tuesday ...all I know about St Louis is they lost their BEST player for the year (Perkins ?) and Jordan Nesbitt transferred to them after playing a few minutes for us last year. Oh and Travis Ford is their coach. I'm hearing good guards but not goog bigs. Help me out Pesik.
SLU scouting report.

Thanks for the info. Interesting. Nesbit?

Nesbit played in a couple of games for us last season. If I remember correctly, he enrolled early and left before the season ended.


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