(12-23-2021 10:13 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 07:34 AM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:26 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  Sounds like realignment is off. Welcome back to the fold everyone.

Probably too late to call everything off now, but if that did happen, the heck with it. I'd be fine staying in the American.

Cincinnati is already packed and waiting for the truck. The CFP uniform reveal this week we seem to have yanked off the AAC patch. That will chap some butts.

What are you talking about? The AAC logo is still there......

Wasn’t on the first release. Just the Cotton Bowl patch on the left shoulder which raised some eyebrows. Perhaps they added it.

(12-23-2021 10:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Wasn’t on the first release. Just the Cotton Bowl patch on the left shoulder which raised some eyebrows. Perhaps they added it.

The American logo was front and center when they released the Cotton Bowl uniforms..some people just like to start a controversy that never existed

(12-22-2021 09:10 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 10:46 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Seems to me this is more of a negotiation tactic for OU. They are simply attempting to reduce their buyout & by publicly stating they are willing to stay the required period, it gets remaining members less $$ & might serve to help reduce early exit fees.

Ding Ding Ding Ding!! They are in a position of strength and Time is on OU's side to wait it out reducing exposure. The Big12 or what's left of the Big12 will negotiate in the near term.

Again—-even if they wait until 2025—it’s still going to cost between 70 and 80 million for Oklahoma to exit from the Big12. UT will be on the hook for the same amount. If they want out earlier, then they will have the additional cost of the GOR buyout. I don’t see a painless way out of this for UT/OU regardless of how long they wait.

(12-23-2021 11:58 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 09:10 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 10:46 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Seems to me this is more of a negotiation tactic for OU. They are simply attempting to reduce their buyout & by publicly stating they are willing to stay the required period, it gets remaining members less $$ & might serve to help reduce early exit fees.

Ding Ding Ding Ding!! They are in a position of strength and Time is on OU's side to wait it out reducing exposure. The Big12 or what's left of the Big12 will negotiate in the near term.

Again—-even if they wait until 2025—it’s still going to cost between 70 and 80 million for Oklahoma to exit from the Big12. UT will be on the hook for the same amount. If they want out earlier, then they will have the additional cost of the GOR buyout. I don’t see a painless way out of this for UT/OU regardless of how long they wait.

Yes, but as they continue to wait as a strategy they weaken future viability of the Big12 which may pressure them into caving to move forward. They know they'll be fine and their future is secure thus time is on their side. The Big12 is the only one dealing with uncertainty prohibiting them from knowing their financial future. That makes membership nervous and you know they are looking an out.

(12-23-2021 12:15 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 11:58 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 09:10 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 10:46 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Seems to me this is more of a negotiation tactic for OU. They are simply attempting to reduce their buyout & by publicly stating they are willing to stay the required period, it gets remaining members less $$ & might serve to help reduce early exit fees.

Ding Ding Ding Ding!! They are in a position of strength and Time is on OU's side to wait it out reducing exposure. The Big12 or what's left of the Big12 will negotiate in the near term.

Again—-even if they wait until 2025—it’s still going to cost between 70 and 80 million for Oklahoma to exit from the Big12. UT will be on the hook for the same amount. If they want out earlier, then they will have the additional cost of the GOR buyout. I don’t see a painless way out of this for UT/OU regardless of how long they wait.

Yes, but as they continue to wait as a strategy they weaken future viability of the Big12 which may pressure them into caving to move forward. They know they'll be fine and their future is secure thus time is on their side. The Big12 is the only one dealing with uncertainty prohibiting them from knowing their financial future. That makes membership nervous and you know they are looking an out.

Not true at all. The new teams are coming in 2023 regardless of what UT/OU do. So the Big12 gets to begin building its new membership while UT and OU remain in the conference---continuing to provide it with blue blood legitimacy. As long as they are there---neither the current TV deal or their P5 status is even remotely going to be challenged. The Big12 has absolutely no reason to negotiate on the 70 to 80 million dollar EACH exit fee---whether they get it in 2022 or 2025---it doesnt really matter much---they are going to get it. If they get it in 2022---that means the B12 remains are looking at reduced earnings from 2022 to 2025---so they actually could net LESS (depends on how the GOR settlement plays out). If UT/OU stay until 2025----then the Big12 members get their full TV deal payouts from 2022 to 2025 AND a 70-80 million dollar exit fee from UT and a 70-80 million dollar exit fee from OU. Thats the route with the least risk and a big guaranteed payday.

If you are under the impression UT/OU have negotiating leverage---you couldnt be more wrong. They HAD tremendous leverage over their B12 peers----right up until the day they signed with the SEC. At that point, the leverage shifted entirely to the Big12.

(12-23-2021 01:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 12:15 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 11:58 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 09:10 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 10:46 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Seems to me this is more of a negotiation tactic for OU. They are simply attempting to reduce their buyout & by publicly stating they are willing to stay the required period, it gets remaining members less $$ & might serve to help reduce early exit fees.

Ding Ding Ding Ding!! They are in a position of strength and Time is on OU's side to wait it out reducing exposure. The Big12 or what's left of the Big12 will negotiate in the near term.

Again—-even if they wait until 2025—it’s still going to cost between 70 and 80 million for Oklahoma to exit from the Big12. UT will be on the hook for the same amount. If they want out earlier, then they will have the additional cost of the GOR buyout. I don’t see a painless way out of this for UT/OU regardless of how long they wait.

Yes, but as they continue to wait as a strategy they weaken future viability of the Big12 which may pressure them into caving to move forward. They know they'll be fine and their future is secure thus time is on their side. The Big12 is the only one dealing with uncertainty prohibiting them from knowing their financial future. That makes membership nervous and you know they are looking an out.

Not true at all. The new teams are coming in 2023 regardless of what UT/OU do. So the Big12 gets to begin building its new membership while UT and OU remain in the conference---continuing to provide it with blue blood legitimacy. As long as they are there---neither the current TV deal or their P5 status is even remotely going to be challenged. The Big12 has absolutely no reason to negotiate on the 70 to 80 million dollar EACH exit fee---whether they get it in 2022 or 2025---it doesnt really matter much---they are going to get it. If they get it in 2022---that means the B12 remains are looking at reduced earnings from 2022 to 2025---so they actually could net LESS (depends on how the GOR settlement plays out). If UT/OU stay until 2025----then the Big12 members get their full TV deal payouts from 2022 to 2025 AND a 70-80 million dollar exit fee from UT and a 70-80 million dollar exit fee from OU. Thats the route with the least risk and a big guaranteed payday.

If you are under the impression UT/OU have negotiating leverage---you couldnt be more wrong. They HAD tremendous leverage over their B12 peers----right up until the day they signed with the SEC. At that point, the leverage shifted entirely to the Big12.

I think there is a lot of wish casting by those left behind in the AAC.

(12-23-2021 02:17 PM)otown Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 01:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 12:15 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 11:58 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 09:10 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  Ding Ding Ding Ding!! They are in a position of strength and Time is on OU's side to wait it out reducing exposure. The Big12 or what's left of the Big12 will negotiate in the near term.

Again—-even if they wait until 2025—it’s still going to cost between 70 and 80 million for Oklahoma to exit from the Big12. UT will be on the hook for the same amount. If they want out earlier, then they will have the additional cost of the GOR buyout. I don’t see a painless way out of this for UT/OU regardless of how long they wait.

Yes, but as they continue to wait as a strategy they weaken future viability of the Big12 which may pressure them into caving to move forward. They know they'll be fine and their future is secure thus time is on their side. The Big12 is the only one dealing with uncertainty prohibiting them from knowing their financial future. That makes membership nervous and you know they are looking an out.

Not true at all. The new teams are coming in 2023 regardless of what UT/OU do. So the Big12 gets to begin building its new membership while UT and OU remain in the conference---continuing to provide it with blue blood legitimacy. As long as they are there---neither the current TV deal or their P5 status is even remotely going to be challenged. The Big12 has absolutely no reason to negotiate on the 70 to 80 million dollar EACH exit fee---whether they get it in 2022 or 2025---it doesnt really matter much---they are going to get it. If they get it in 2022---that means the B12 remains are looking at reduced earnings from 2022 to 2025---so they actually could net LESS (depends on how the GOR settlement plays out). If UT/OU stay until 2025----then the Big12 members get their full TV deal payouts from 2022 to 2025 AND a 70-80 million dollar exit fee from UT and a 70-80 million dollar exit fee from OU. Thats the route with the least risk and a big guaranteed payday.

If you are under the impression UT/OU have negotiating leverage---you couldnt be more wrong. They HAD tremendous leverage over their B12 peers----right up until the day they signed with the SEC. At that point, the leverage shifted entirely to the Big12.

I think there is a lot of wish casting by those left behind in the AAC.

Wish casting? Please if it was up to me, this whole thing would be done for 2022. Let those two go to the SEC, you guys can all go to Big12 and the AAC welcomes the new group.

(12-23-2021 02:17 PM)otown Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 01:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 12:15 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 11:58 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 09:10 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  Ding Ding Ding Ding!! They are in a position of strength and Time is on OU's side to wait it out reducing exposure. The Big12 or what's left of the Big12 will negotiate in the near term.

Again—-even if they wait until 2025—it’s still going to cost between 70 and 80 million for Oklahoma to exit from the Big12. UT will be on the hook for the same amount. If they want out earlier, then they will have the additional cost of the GOR buyout. I don’t see a painless way out of this for UT/OU regardless of how long they wait.

Yes, but as they continue to wait as a strategy they weaken future viability of the Big12 which may pressure them into caving to move forward. They know they'll be fine and their future is secure thus time is on their side. The Big12 is the only one dealing with uncertainty prohibiting them from knowing their financial future. That makes membership nervous and you know they are looking an out.

Not true at all. The new teams are coming in 2023 regardless of what UT/OU do. So the Big12 gets to begin building its new membership while UT and OU remain in the conference---continuing to provide it with blue blood legitimacy. As long as they are there---neither the current TV deal or their P5 status is even remotely going to be challenged. The Big12 has absolutely no reason to negotiate on the 70 to 80 million dollar EACH exit fee---whether they get it in 2022 or 2025---it doesnt really matter much---they are going to get it. If they get it in 2022---that means the B12 remains are looking at reduced earnings from 2022 to 2025---so they actually could net LESS (depends on how the GOR settlement plays out). If UT/OU stay until 2025----then the Big12 members get their full TV deal payouts from 2022 to 2025 AND a 70-80 million dollar exit fee from UT and a 70-80 million dollar exit fee from OU. Thats the route with the least risk and a big guaranteed payday.

If you are under the impression UT/OU have negotiating leverage---you couldnt be more wrong. They HAD tremendous leverage over their B12 peers----right up until the day they signed with the SEC. At that point, the leverage shifted entirely to the Big12.

I think there is a lot of wish casting by those left behind in the AAC.

Except Attack is a Houston fan. His team isn’t left behind in the AAC.

(12-23-2021 04:48 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 02:17 PM)otown Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 01:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 12:15 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 11:58 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Again—-even if they wait until 2025—it’s still going to cost between 70 and 80 million for Oklahoma to exit from the Big12. UT will be on the hook for the same amount. If they want out earlier, then they will have the additional cost of the GOR buyout. I don’t see a painless way out of this for UT/OU regardless of how long they wait.

Yes, but as they continue to wait as a strategy they weaken future viability of the Big12 which may pressure them into caving to move forward. They know they'll be fine and their future is secure thus time is on their side. The Big12 is the only one dealing with uncertainty prohibiting them from knowing their financial future. That makes membership nervous and you know they are looking an out.

Not true at all. The new teams are coming in 2023 regardless of what UT/OU do. So the Big12 gets to begin building its new membership while UT and OU remain in the conference---continuing to provide it with blue blood legitimacy. As long as they are there---neither the current TV deal or their P5 status is even remotely going to be challenged. The Big12 has absolutely no reason to negotiate on the 70 to 80 million dollar EACH exit fee---whether they get it in 2022 or 2025---it doesnt really matter much---they are going to get it. If they get it in 2022---that means the B12 remains are looking at reduced earnings from 2022 to 2025---so they actually could net LESS (depends on how the GOR settlement plays out). If UT/OU stay until 2025----then the Big12 members get their full TV deal payouts from 2022 to 2025 AND a 70-80 million dollar exit fee from UT and a 70-80 million dollar exit fee from OU. Thats the route with the least risk and a big guaranteed payday.

If you are under the impression UT/OU have negotiating leverage---you couldnt be more wrong. They HAD tremendous leverage over their B12 peers----right up until the day they signed with the SEC. At that point, the leverage shifted entirely to the Big12.

I think there is a lot of wish casting by those left behind in the AAC.

Except Attack is a Houston fan. His team isn’t left behind in the AAC.

I think he was referring to who I responded to. The truth is, going into the summer of 2021---I thought the AAC was in an outstanding position. They had a legit playoff candidate for the existing 4-team playoff (it was a long shot---but they had a real shot with the Notre Dame game on their schedule) and the proposed 12-team playoff was set to create a legitimate annual path to the playoff for the G5 (one that was particularly favorable for the strongly developing AAC). In June of 2021---I was basically feeling that the existing AAC could provide those 11+1 existing members a long term home I could be reasonably content with. All we had to do was find another football member---hopefully BYU. Just a few weeks the entire FBS landscape would be turned upside down by a single block buster move.

Bowlsby has stated many times he expects UT/OU to honor the GOR.

(12-23-2021 08:10 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Bowlsby has stated many times he expects UT/OU to honor the GOR.

The B12 will float in exit cash no matter what. I don't think they would mind Olk and Tx from staying until 2025.

(12-23-2021 07:48 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 04:48 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 02:17 PM)otown Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 01:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 12:15 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  Yes, but as they continue to wait as a strategy they weaken future viability of the Big12 which may pressure them into caving to move forward. They know they'll be fine and their future is secure thus time is on their side. The Big12 is the only one dealing with uncertainty prohibiting them from knowing their financial future. That makes membership nervous and you know they are looking an out.

Not true at all. The new teams are coming in 2023 regardless of what UT/OU do. So the Big12 gets to begin building its new membership while UT and OU remain in the conference---continuing to provide it with blue blood legitimacy. As long as they are there---neither the current TV deal or their P5 status is even remotely going to be challenged. The Big12 has absolutely no reason to negotiate on the 70 to 80 million dollar EACH exit fee---whether they get it in 2022 or 2025---it doesnt really matter much---they are going to get it. If they get it in 2022---that means the B12 remains are looking at reduced earnings from 2022 to 2025---so they actually could net LESS (depends on how the GOR settlement plays out). If UT/OU stay until 2025----then the Big12 members get their full TV deal payouts from 2022 to 2025 AND a 70-80 million dollar exit fee from UT and a 70-80 million dollar exit fee from OU. Thats the route with the least risk and a big guaranteed payday.

If you are under the impression UT/OU have negotiating leverage---you couldnt be more wrong. They HAD tremendous leverage over their B12 peers----right up until the day they signed with the SEC. At that point, the leverage shifted entirely to the Big12.

I think there is a lot of wish casting by those left behind in the AAC.

Except Attack is a Houston fan. His team isn’t left behind in the AAC.

I think he was referring to who I responded to. The truth is, going into the summer of 2021---I thought the AAC was in an outstanding position. They had a legit playoff candidate for the existing 4-team playoff (it was a long shot---but they had a real shot with the Notre Dame game on their schedule) and the proposed 12-team playoff was set to create a legitimate annual path to the playoff for the G5 (one that was particularly favorable for the strongly developing AAC). In June of 2021---I was basically feeling that the existing AAC could provide those 11+1 existing members a long term home I could be reasonably content with. All we had to do was find another football member---hopefully BYU. Just a few weeks the entire FBS landscape would be turned upside down by a single block buster move.

We're still in a great position we still have the biggest budgets and revenue of the nonpower five. We have a team going to the playoff even if they're leaving that's a big boost for the conference.

Yeah, we've had a setback but I think the AAC in a few years will once again be the clear top G5 conference. The teams in this conference are in it because they want to reach the same heights that the top teams in the conference have reached. They will invest the money and resources to make it happen.

"They will invest the money and resources to make it happen. "

Loose talk.

which schools are able and willing to make major investments?

(12-23-2021 04:48 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 02:17 PM)otown Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 01:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 12:15 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 11:58 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Again—-even if they wait until 2025—it’s still going to cost between 70 and 80 million for Oklahoma to exit from the Big12. UT will be on the hook for the same amount. If they want out earlier, then they will have the additional cost of the GOR buyout. I don’t see a painless way out of this for UT/OU regardless of how long they wait.

Yes, but as they continue to wait as a strategy they weaken future viability of the Big12 which may pressure them into caving to move forward. They know they'll be fine and their future is secure thus time is on their side. The Big12 is the only one dealing with uncertainty prohibiting them from knowing their financial future. That makes membership nervous and you know they are looking an out.

Not true at all. The new teams are coming in 2023 regardless of what UT/OU do. So the Big12 gets to begin building its new membership while UT and OU remain in the conference---continuing to provide it with blue blood legitimacy. As long as they are there---neither the current TV deal or their P5 status is even remotely going to be challenged. The Big12 has absolutely no reason to negotiate on the 70 to 80 million dollar EACH exit fee---whether they get it in 2022 or 2025---it doesnt really matter much---they are going to get it. If they get it in 2022---that means the B12 remains are looking at reduced earnings from 2022 to 2025---so they actually could net LESS (depends on how the GOR settlement plays out). If UT/OU stay until 2025----then the Big12 members get their full TV deal payouts from 2022 to 2025 AND a 70-80 million dollar exit fee from UT and a 70-80 million dollar exit fee from OU. Thats the route with the least risk and a big guaranteed payday.

If you are under the impression UT/OU have negotiating leverage---you couldnt be more wrong. They HAD tremendous leverage over their B12 peers----right up until the day they signed with the SEC. At that point, the leverage shifted entirely to the Big12.

I think there is a lot of wish casting by those left behind in the AAC.

Except Attack is a Houston fan. His team isn’t left behind in the AAC.

With all due respect to Coog, your a great guy and add a lot of quality content to this board. I enjoy your post.

The clock is not the Big 12 friend in no way shape or form. Sure they can win a battle and collect some big money, but who in the end wins the war?

UT/OU have financial capacity way beyond the league members which they leave. This has been waited on for years and everyone knew it was going to happen. Do you think they have a strategy? The two institutions combined necessitated the Big12 to P5. They leave. That hurts.

The SEC has the SEC TV and UT is contractually owed $300M on their remaining contract for LHN. Will the SEC allow UT to have it's own network? Do you think they could negotiate a buy out to pay the Big 12 via ESPN? Why do you think that hasn't happened yet? Are media rights being discussed with other conferences that include current and future Big 12 members? Have those prospective members reached out?

There are plenty of minefields left to navigate that does not put the Big12 in a position of strength. So they will get paid something, but that cannot sustain current members over the long term and new members will get nothing.

Truth be known the Big 12 can be crushed into oblivion if the powers that be want to. Is that likely, I doubt it.

I'm just watching the chess match that in the end is controlled by forces we will never know the real answers, but time is definitely not on the Big 12's side.

(12-23-2021 10:13 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 07:34 AM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 11:26 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  Sounds like realignment is off. Welcome back to the fold everyone.

Probably too late to call everything off now, but if that did happen, the heck with it. I'd be fine staying in the American.

Cincinnati is already packed and waiting for the truck. The CFP uniform reveal this week we seem to have yanked off the AAC patch. That will chap some butts.

Is that where the patch was before it was ripped off? No wonder they’re chapped!!!

(12-22-2021 09:20 AM)panite Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 07:41 AM)dave108 Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 07:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 11:37 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  The remaining 8 teams do what UT/OU to leave early as they will be able to DOUBLE their buyout fees that will receive in return...as that is much more valuable to them vs having those 2 teams hanging around for 2 more years.

Not true at all. The exit fee is double the per team pay out (70-80 million total). That fee is the same today as it will be in 2025. It doesnt change. The GOR is a seperate matter. With no agreement, OU and Texas could leave today for 70-80 million each (same price as in 2025), BUT---if they leave prior to 2025----their TV rights would remain with the Big12 until the 2025 season. Thus, FOX and ESPN cannot cut the Big12 payout because they still have rights to the UT/OU home games (even if UT and OU are playing in the SEC starting in 2022). If OU/UT want to take their TV rights with them to the SEC prior to 2025, then they have to negotiate a GOR settlement---and thats going to be expensive......or---they could just go without their rights. Even without instant access to OU/UT home games----the SEC TV package would would still get the benefit of full rights to all OU/UT "conference away games"---which would be of substantial value.

Just watch....as the remaining 8 teams want to cash in...as they have UT/OU by the balls and they want $$$$ vs just one extra home game from them over the last 2 years.

like most things in life, they're all posturing, to get the haggling started. it'll all get worked out for 2023. OU and UT still playing some games with B12 teams? likely. $$$ amount - TBD, but it will get hammered out. no one involved wants this to linger past the 2022 season

Not true. The leftover 8 want to maximize profits with home full stadiums through 2025 when OU and Texas come to town. Maximizes ticket sales, parking, concession, and other revenue producing dollars while they are around. Once OU and Texas leave those big bucks disappear. Their replacement teams are not going to bring in the big game day dollars when they show up and the TV revenue streams are going to shrink too. Most of the Little Eight schools and the replacement schools will never see a game with OU and Texas again after they leave for the SEC.

Those teams MIGHT get one more home game (with 14 team league...you won't play everyone each year...let alone at home), which is why they will be allowed to leave for the SEC after next season...and a nice check will be given to the LO8.