(12-20-2021 08:32 AM)OldFan Wrote: I do think there should be a forfeit policy that enforces some responsibility on the schools, but I also think they should allow vaccinated, asymptomatic players to play even if they have tested positive.
I'd also support a policy that requires all players on athletic teams to be vaccinated (heck, there are tons of other vaccinations required just to get into college), but I strongly doubt that would fly in the current political environment.
Let positive players play? That is ridiculous, Dr. Oz. Asymptomatic folks can still infect others. You test positive you don’t play.
As for a vaccine mandate, I am all in for everyone. Stop being a bunch of poo$$ie$ and get the shots.
I'm with you on everyone getting vaxed. What I don't agree with (STRONGLY) is the government forcing human beings in a free country to get vaxed, and punishing anyone for not getting vaxed. That's fking tyranny.
There's no such thing as a free country, anywhere.
(12-20-2021 12:03 PM)TripleA Wrote: Memphis might wind up 0-18 in conference play, lol. You would think natural immunity should count for something, but I bet it doesn't.
And you would be wrong.
What, you have a magic 8-ball? I'm talking about losing games to forfeit due to Covid, not losing them on the court. We still have a lot of players who are unvaxxed. I think that is their business, but with Omicron poised to spread so quickly, we could lose a bunch of games to forfeit.
You realize a conference game is treated differently from a non-conference game, right? If you can't play in conference, you get a forfeit loss, unlike the UTk game.
As for 0-18, most anybody would recognize that was sarcasm. Except you, apparently. Maybe you missed the "lol" on the end?
(12-20-2021 08:32 AM)OldFan Wrote: I do think there should be a forfeit policy that enforces some responsibility on the schools, but I also think they should allow vaccinated, asymptomatic players to play even if they have tested positive.
I'd also support a policy that requires all players on athletic teams to be vaccinated (heck, there are tons of other vaccinations required just to get into college), but I strongly doubt that would fly in the current political environment.
I strongly agree with this statement:
"I'd also support a policy that requires all players on athletic teams to be vaccinated (heck, there are tons of other vaccinations required just to get into college)."
(12-21-2021 05:24 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote: I'm with you on everyone getting vaxed. What I don't agree with (STRONGLY) is the government forcing human beings in a free country to get vaxed, and punishing anyone for not getting vaxed. That's fking tyranny.
It's not tyranny, because no one is forcing anyone to have vaccinations.
All they're saying is that for the protection of others, if you want to play contact sports, you've got to have a shitload of different vaccinations, including Covid-19.
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No one is being forced to do anything. They have the choice to do what they want. They don't have to take the vaccine. They can "just say no." It's their choice.
In addition, olaying college basketball is not a fundamental human right. It is a privilege. No one is being "forced" to give up their basic human rights.
They are being given a choice.
If you want that privilege, you have to do certain things, like wake up early every morning, do what the coaches tell you, and work your @$$ off. A vaccination is something little children do - no complaints.
Whining about people being "forced" to be vaccinated when they're not - is just trying to find an excuse to "whine" about something.
Maybe some people are just afraid of having a painful shot in the arm.
The cancellations have impacts for intra-conference games, as leagues have instituted forfeit rules for the 2021-22 season. Seton Hall was incapable of playing St. John's this forthcoming Tuesday, so the Big East stuck to its code agreed to in the fall and docked the Pirates with a loss in league play, while St. John's started 1-0 in the conference due to the SHU forfeit. The same thing happened earlier this month in the Pac-12 when Washington was incapable of finding a makeup game vs. UCLA, so the Huskies were assessed a forfeit and UCLA was given a win in the conference standings.
Forfeits are not recognized officially by the NCAA selection committee, so any games not played as initially scheduled will not be reflected on team sheets.
That is all I care about.
Yeah a team may end up with a bad seed in the conference tourney...But you have to overcome it.
its used in everything but the committe .. official records, championship standing etc..
if memphis sweeps houston and is clearly the best aac team, and then forfiets 4 games and then another teams gets the champonship solely on the forfiets i guess yous be fine with saying memphis still has never won an aac championship?
and its does affect the tourney, its not just forfeits its no makeup games... without adding games , if UC, wichita, memphis, smu, ucf have both their games vs houston cancelled they are basically eliminated from the tourney, all still with tourney aspirations
Honestly...
Memphis still has 2 Q1 wins...
As of today we don't need a win against Houston...'Bama lookin' real shaky and I dont believe in Va. Tech...So later we likely may need a Houston game to get in.
Secondly a road win against Cinci, or UCF (LOL) is still a Q1 as well. We just need it on paper. It doesn't have to be against Houston.
(12-20-2021 12:03 PM)TripleA Wrote: Memphis might wind up 0-18 in conference play, lol. You would think natural immunity should count for something, but I bet it doesn't.
And you would be wrong.
What, you have a magic 8-ball? I'm talking about losing games to forfeit due to Covid, not losing them on the court. We still have a lot of players who are unvaxxed. I think that is their business, but with Omicron poised to spread so quickly, we could lose a bunch of games to forfeit.
You realize a conference game is treated differently from a non-conference game, right? If you can't play in conference, you get a forfeit loss, unlike the UTk game.
As for 0-18, most anybody would recognize that was sarcasm. Except you, apparently. Maybe you missed the "lol" on the end?
No you would be wrong about natural immunity not being taken into account.
(12-20-2021 12:03 PM)TripleA Wrote: Memphis might wind up 0-18 in conference play, lol. You would think natural immunity should count for something, but I bet it doesn't.
And you would be wrong.
What, you have a magic 8-ball? I'm talking about losing games to forfeit due to Covid, not losing them on the court. We still have a lot of players who are unvaxxed. I think that is their business, but with Omicron poised to spread so quickly, we could lose a bunch of games to forfeit.
You realize a conference game is treated differently from a non-conference game, right? If you can't play in conference, you get a forfeit loss, unlike the UTk game.
As for 0-18, most anybody would recognize that was sarcasm. Except you, apparently. Maybe you missed the "lol" on the end?
No you would be wrong about natural immunity not being taken into account.
That part.
Okay, hard to tell what you meant. I guess we'll see when Harris and Nolley come back, and somebody gets Covid again, assuming they remain unvaccinated. Have you seen anything official in writing about it? I haven't.
Natural immunity is certainly being ignored most other places where vaxxes are required.
(This post was last modified: 12-22-2021 04:39 PM by TripleA.)
(12-20-2021 12:03 PM)TripleA Wrote: Memphis might wind up 0-18 in conference play, lol. You would think natural immunity should count for something, but I bet it doesn't.
And you would be wrong.
What, you have a magic 8-ball? I'm talking about losing games to forfeit due to Covid, not losing them on the court. We still have a lot of players who are unvaxxed. I think that is their business, but with Omicron poised to spread so quickly, we could lose a bunch of games to forfeit.
You realize a conference game is treated differently from a non-conference game, right? If you can't play in conference, you get a forfeit loss, unlike the UTk game.
As for 0-18, most anybody would recognize that was sarcasm. Except you, apparently. Maybe you missed the "lol" on the end?
No you would be wrong about natural immunity not being taken into account.
That part.
Okay, hard to tell what you meant. I guess we'll see when Harris and Nolley come back, and somebody gets Covid again, assuming they remain unvaccinated. Have you seen anything official in writing about it? I haven't.
Natural immunity is certainly being ignored most other places where vaxxes are required.
You are right I wasn't clear.
Here it is...90 days no required testing after positive COVID test. So Harris and Nolley good through Mid-March if they are unvaxed.
(12-20-2021 12:15 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote: Question. If you're vaccinated, why do you care if I'm vaccinated or not?
If I'm vaccinated, I can test positive and spread to you even if you're vaccinated.
If I'm not vaccinated, I can test positive and spread to you even if you're vaccinated.
What the hellz is the difference?
The difference is hospitalizations and deaths. Our healthcare workers deserve some relief from the stupid and selfish crowd. Vaccinations and masks drastically reduce the incidence.
How are they getting relief? Are you saying they're only treating non-vaccinated persons? Where's the proof of that?
From what I understand, the vaccination "may" make your symptoms milder, but you're not spreading a "milder" version of the virus.
What's this "relief" you're talking about, because heathcare workers don't just sit around doing nothing if they're not treating covid cases you know.
Neither Texas and Florida have either mask or vaccination mandates, and both states have low numbers of covid infections.
This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. They are the ones clogging up hospital beds. The healthcare workers become more exposed than is necessary. I am realizing this far in the conversation that you are beyond help. Take more courses at U of H. Perhaps major in public health. Then come back in four years and look at your posts. Checking out of this conversation. You are on your own.
lol I always get a chuckle when someone tries to flaunt their "intelligence".
You should try taking a basic logic course, and maybe a reading comprehension class just so you don't miss the subtleties that just went over your head.
Your argument seems to be pro-vax vs. anti-vax, and it's quite easily detectable in your nazi-esque tone that you think I'm anti-vax. Of course you do.
And this mis-comprehension has apparently lead you to think that I don't understand the (only) benefit of this vaccine. And so since you're arguing to that point, you mis-apply logic to MY point, which I'll probably have to spell it out in crayons because you obviously didn't get it the first time...
This vaccine does NOTHING to prevent spreading the disease. If you are vaccinated, then your only benefit, according to the number of cases of covid in those that were fully vaccinated, is that your symptoms will be lessened. That's good.
But, because it doesn't prevent the spread of the disease, i.e. - you can catch it from a vaccinated person that is positive, just as easy as you can catch it from an unvaccinated person. Your claim that it is only the unvaccinated people spreading this virus is a flat out lie. One you were told to believe, and you believe it without question. But it's a lie. The number show this, if you'd look.
I'm "fully vaccinated" (in case you were wondering) and I still contracted the virus, and I spread it to one other person (my wife) who is also "fully vaccinated", so don't try to tell me I don't know of what I speak.
So, since this vaccine does NOTHING to prevent spreading the disease, how will waving your vaccine card in someone's face (vax mandates) prevent you from catching it? It sure as heck didn't stop me from catching it. And further, to one of your points, how will you even know if you caught it from an unvaxxed person or a vaxxed person? Hint - you won't know. Especially if you are around fully vaccinated people, one or more of whom is positive but doesn't have severe symptoms and didn't bother to get tested to see if they have it, and therefore are not quarantining themselves like they should!! So stop claiming it's only the unvaxxed spreading this virus!
Now, I'm sure you're gonna call me more names as part of your defense of your illogical position, but at least try to apply some logic and explain how a vaccine mandate works (in your mind at least) to stop the spread of this virus, because so far this vaccine doesn't prevent it from spreading.
And just to tie this to the point of this thread, if a team has to forfeit a game due to not having enough players due to illness, then it's a forfeit, period. But the idea of penalizing teams because not everyone is vaxxed is only turning college sport into political propaganda. And I'm against that.
It's no wonder Texas is the first state with a team having to pull out of a bowl game due to covid. You guys education level down there is on par with an ear of corn.
acc removed its forfeit policy
pac 12 removed it forfeit policy
the big 12 removes its forfeit policy
big east just removed its forfeit policy
big 10 intends to have a meeting about its policy today
aac as of this morning is sticking to its policy
sec hasnt made any decisions or statements yet
(12-20-2021 01:08 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote: The difference is hospitalizations and deaths. Our healthcare workers deserve some relief from the stupid and selfish crowd. Vaccinations and masks drastically reduce the incidence.
How are they getting relief? Are you saying they're only treating non-vaccinated persons? Where's the proof of that?
From what I understand, the vaccination "may" make your symptoms milder, but you're not spreading a "milder" version of the virus.
What's this "relief" you're talking about, because heathcare workers don't just sit around doing nothing if they're not treating covid cases you know.
Neither Texas and Florida have either mask or vaccination mandates, and both states have low numbers of covid infections.
This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. They are the ones clogging up hospital beds. The healthcare workers become more exposed than is necessary. I am realizing this far in the conversation that you are beyond help. Take more courses at U of H. Perhaps major in public health. Then come back in four years and look at your posts. Checking out of this conversation. You are on your own.
lol I always get a chuckle when someone tries to flaunt their "intelligence".
You should try taking a basic logic course, and maybe a reading comprehension class just so you don't miss the subtleties that just went over your head.
Your argument seems to be pro-vax vs. anti-vax, and it's quite easily detectable in your nazi-esque tone that you think I'm anti-vax. Of course you do.
And this mis-comprehension has apparently lead you to think that I don't understand the (only) benefit of this vaccine. And so since you're arguing to that point, you mis-apply logic to MY point, which I'll probably have to spell it out in crayons because you obviously didn't get it the first time...
This vaccine does NOTHING to prevent spreading the disease. If you are vaccinated, then your only benefit, according to the number of cases of covid in those that were fully vaccinated, is that your symptoms will be lessened. That's good.
But, because it doesn't prevent the spread of the disease, i.e. - you can catch it from a vaccinated person that is positive, just as easy as you can catch it from an unvaccinated person. Your claim that it is only the unvaccinated people spreading this virus is a flat out lie. One you were told to believe, and you believe it without question. But it's a lie. The number show this, if you'd look.
I'm "fully vaccinated" (in case you were wondering) and I still contracted the virus, and I spread it to one other person (my wife) who is also "fully vaccinated", so don't try to tell me I don't know of what I speak.
So, since this vaccine does NOTHING to prevent spreading the disease, how will waving your vaccine card in someone's face (vax mandates) prevent you from catching it? It sure as heck didn't stop me from catching it. And further, to one of your points, how will you even know if you caught it from an unvaxxed person or a vaxxed person? Hint - you won't know. Especially if you are around fully vaccinated people, one or more of whom is positive but doesn't have severe symptoms and didn't bother to get tested to see if they have it, and therefore are not quarantining themselves like they should!! So stop claiming it's only the unvaxxed spreading this virus!
Now, I'm sure you're gonna call me more names as part of your defense of your illogical position, but at least try to apply some logic and explain how a vaccine mandate works (in your mind at least) to stop the spread of this virus, because so far this vaccine doesn't prevent it from spreading.
And just to tie this to the point of this thread, if a team has to forfeit a game due to not having enough players due to illness, then it's a forfeit, period. But the idea of penalizing teams because not everyone is vaxxed is only turning college sport into political propaganda. And I'm against that.
It's no wonder Texas is the first state with a team having to pull out of a bowl game due to covid. You guys education level down there is on par with an ear of corn.
Nice...
Southern Jokes...
Gotta love how we'll find ways to differentiate ourselves.
And to the poster above you...Vaccinated\Previously Infected people are less likely to catch the virus...That is proven...Also the less time you have the virus as a protected individual the less time you have spread it. Where is your evidence\studies that say that the Vaccine does 'NOTHING' to stop you from getting it...Or is it all anecdotal\logic based.
The vax is nowhere near 100% but there is some efficacy there.
(This post was last modified: 12-22-2021 05:59 PM by macgar32.)
(12-21-2021 03:35 PM)macgar32 Wrote: And you would be wrong.
What, you have a magic 8-ball? I'm talking about losing games to forfeit due to Covid, not losing them on the court. We still have a lot of players who are unvaxxed. I think that is their business, but with Omicron poised to spread so quickly, we could lose a bunch of games to forfeit.
You realize a conference game is treated differently from a non-conference game, right? If you can't play in conference, you get a forfeit loss, unlike the UTk game.
As for 0-18, most anybody would recognize that was sarcasm. Except you, apparently. Maybe you missed the "lol" on the end?
No you would be wrong about natural immunity not being taken into account.
That part.
Okay, hard to tell what you meant. I guess we'll see when Harris and Nolley come back, and somebody gets Covid again, assuming they remain unvaccinated. Have you seen anything official in writing about it? I haven't.
Natural immunity is certainly being ignored most other places where vaxxes are required.
You are right I wasn't clear.
Here it is...90 days no required testing after positive COVID test. So Harris and Nolley good through Mid-March if they are unvaxed.
I think we're just gonna have to give up and live with it as a evolving variant thing. I'm vaxxed, but it's moving too much. I just hope the drugs they're working on to treat the symptoms work.
(12-22-2021 10:15 AM)TripleA Wrote: What, you have a magic 8-ball? I'm talking about losing games to forfeit due to Covid, not losing them on the court. We still have a lot of players who are unvaxxed. I think that is their business, but with Omicron poised to spread so quickly, we could lose a bunch of games to forfeit.
You realize a conference game is treated differently from a non-conference game, right? If you can't play in conference, you get a forfeit loss, unlike the UTk game.
As for 0-18, most anybody would recognize that was sarcasm. Except you, apparently. Maybe you missed the "lol" on the end?
No you would be wrong about natural immunity not being taken into account.
That part.
Okay, hard to tell what you meant. I guess we'll see when Harris and Nolley come back, and somebody gets Covid again, assuming they remain unvaccinated. Have you seen anything official in writing about it? I haven't.
Natural immunity is certainly being ignored most other places where vaxxes are required.
You are right I wasn't clear.
Here it is...90 days no required testing after positive COVID test. So Harris and Nolley good through Mid-March if they are unvaxed.
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