(01-09-2022 02:07 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  How many OVC schools sell games to FBS schools, though? For a school like Tennessee Tech, it might not be beneficial to cut 20-30 scholarships and lose out on getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to play schools like Kansas or Georgia. For potential incoming affiliates like Drake or Butler, adding dozens of scholarships at $30,000 or more a pop is a substantial amount of potentially foregone tuition revenue.

The reconfigured OVC would still have to offer at least 31.5 scholarships (50% of 63) for football for the schools to count it as a sponsored sport - I would suspect the conference limit would likely be set around 36. This is still a step up from Division II (24) but a far cry from the FCS limit (63).

As long as ASUN and Southland football continue to exist, I continue to suspect we will see the OVC slowly pulled apart. The only way out of this is if the non-football schools decide they want out of the now football-centric ASUN. Even then the OVC would be on shaky ground:

OVC: Morehead State, SIU-Edwardsville, Lipscomb, Eastern Illinois, FGCU, Stetson, Jacksonville, North Florida (presuming Bellarmine to Horizon)
ASUN: Central Arkansas, Austin Peay, UT Martin, Tennessee State, Eastern Kentucky, Tennessee Tech, North Alabama, Kennesaw State

I guess at this point the OVC could then go after schools in pairs, adding schools in Florida or South Georgia to the Florida side, and then adding schools in the traditional OVC footprint to the other side. The north quad would in theory at least have Chicago State and Western Illinois available to them without immediately having to dip into Division II. The south quad would likely have to go for Valdosta State (where do they park football?) and a school like Nova Southeastern or Tampa.

Division II scholarship limit is 36. NAIA is 24.

The way I interpreted the suggestion was to let the OVC run what is pretty much the Pioneer League while the full scholarship FCS schools affiliate with the Southland, ASun or MEAC

This way the OVC can sponsor football to meet NCAA requirements

(01-09-2022 02:07 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  How many OVC schools sell games to FBS schools, though? For a school like Tennessee Tech, it might not be beneficial to cut 20-30 scholarships and lose out on getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to play schools like Kansas or Georgia. For potential incoming affiliates like Drake or Butler, adding dozens of scholarships at $30,000 or more a pop is a substantial amount of potentially foregone tuition revenue.

The reconfigured OVC would still have to offer at least 31.5 scholarships (50% of 63) for football for the schools to count it as a sponsored sport - I would suspect the conference limit would likely be set around 36. This is still a step up from Division II (24) but a far cry from the FCS limit (63).

As long as ASUN and Southland football continue to exist, I continue to suspect we will see the OVC slowly pulled apart. The only way out of this is if the non-football schools decide they want out of the now football-centric ASUN. Even then the OVC would be on shaky ground:

OVC: Morehead State, SIU-Edwardsville, Lipscomb, Eastern Illinois, FGCU, Stetson, Jacksonville, North Florida (presuming Bellarmine to Horizon)
ASUN: Central Arkansas, Austin Peay, UT Martin, Tennessee State, Eastern Kentucky, Tennessee Tech, North Alabama, Kennesaw State

I guess at this point the OVC could then go after schools in pairs, adding schools in Florida or South Georgia to the Florida side, and then adding schools in the traditional OVC footprint to the other side. The north quad would in theory at least have Chicago State and Western Illinois available to them without immediately having to dip into Division II. The south quad would likely have to go for Valdosta State (where do they park football?) and a school like Nova Southeastern or Tampa.

I missed that subtlety.

Schools that don't do 31.5 football scholarships can not count football as being "sponsored", and if the school does not "sponsor" the sport, a conference can not count the school as meeting the minimum sponsorship.

Am I understanding that correctly?

Yes, a school that does not offer at lest 50% of the scholarship limit for a sport cannot count it as a sponsored sport for purposes of meeting Division I requirements. Therefore non-scholarship football is useless to the OVC under the current rules.

More bad news for the OVC

Hard to see USI jumping in with that.

(01-10-2022 02:13 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  More bad news for the OVC

Hard to see USI jumping in with that.

An article in December stated USI would have to take their budget from $6.6m to $12m.

Fundraising and student fees would be the method to increase funding.

Out of 110 students surveyed about USI moving to D1 43 were neutral about it but 29 agreed and 16 strongly agreed

If that survey torpedoes USI’s desire, Chicago St might be the beneficiary. OVC is running out of willing options.

Based on The Shield's Let's Talk:
Strongly Disagree - 28%
Disagree - 13%
Neutral - 43%
Agree - 10%
Strongly Agree 16%

(01-10-2022 05:49 PM)Illiniguy Wrote:  Out of 110 students surveyed about USI moving to D1 43 were neutral about it but 29 agreed and 16 strongly agreed

72 students does not mean staying in D2 either.

As it is, the money in D2 and D3 is drying up since the athletes are considered employees now just like D1.

(01-10-2022 06:51 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  Based on The Shield's Let's Talk:
Strongly Disagree - 28%
Disagree - 13%
Neutral - 43%
Agree - 10%
Strongly Agree 16%

I see this survey gave it 110%!

I’m praying USI GVSU and Lincoln Memorial all go D1

(01-10-2022 07:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 06:51 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  Based on The Shield's Let's Talk:
Strongly Disagree - 28%
Disagree - 13%
Neutral - 43%
Agree - 10%
Strongly Agree 16%

I see this survey gave it 110%!

Yep

(01-10-2022 07:53 PM)Illiniguy Wrote:  I’m praying USI GVSU and Lincoln Memorial all go D1

I hope so too.

Bump! So according to some non-DavidSt folks on this board, the OVC has formally turned down Chicago State but is still pursuing D2 call-ups like Lindenwood, Lincoln Memorial, and Grand Valley State. Can anyone corroborate these claims with links to articles/messages from informed individuals and not speculative opinion pieces?

(02-12-2022 02:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Bump! So according to some non-DavidSt folks on this board, the OVC has formally turned down Chicago State but is still pursuing D2 call-ups like Lindenwood, Lincoln Memorial, and Grand Valley State. Can anyone corroborate these claims with links to articles/messages from informed individuals and not speculative opinion pieces?

A St Louis Blues tv host a few days ago was saying Lindenwood be going D1 soon. I wrote it off as "why would a Blues guy know first?" But CollegeAD later tweeted the same thing.

(02-12-2022 02:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Bump! So according to some non-DavidSt folks on this board, the OVC has formally turned down Chicago State but is still pursuing D2 call-ups like Lindenwood, Lincoln Memorial, and Grand Valley State. Can anyone corroborate these claims with links to articles/messages from informed individuals and not speculative opinion pieces?

As we know USI is in
The Lindenwood claim from CollegeAD.

https://twitter.com/collegead/status/149...7539646470

(02-12-2022 03:30 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 02:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Bump! So according to some non-DavidSt folks on this board, the OVC has formally turned down Chicago State but is still pursuing D2 call-ups like Lindenwood, Lincoln Memorial, and Grand Valley State. Can anyone corroborate these claims with links to articles/messages from informed individuals and not speculative opinion pieces?

As we know USI is in
The Lindenwood claim from CollegeAD.

https://twitter.com/collegead/status/149...7539646470

Further down the thread was word that the Queen's University Board of Trustees voted unanimously to explore the possibility of moving up to Division 1. To me, the wording means they'll be investigating the feasibility and pros and cons of moving up, rather than making an imminent move.

Of course, with all the negativity and hurt feelings associated with schools wanting to move to other conferences, I guess you can't blame a school and its potential new conference home wanting to keep a lid on any announcement of a change until the last possible moment. Maybe college sports needs something like professional sports have, but instead of a trade deadline, have a transition/intention to switch conferences deadline?

I realize adding Chicago State to a conference that's close to where they are located makes sense, but the Cougars aren't very competitive in a lot of sports, and would probably be seen as a 'step down'. However, could leagues that are in dire straits now, afford to be so choosy? I've been watching some of the Cougars' game with Sam Houston today. The Jones Convocation Center is a nice facility; certainly better than a lot of glorified high school gyms some D-1 schools call home.

(02-12-2022 03:55 PM)Midwestan Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 03:30 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 02:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Bump! So according to some non-DavidSt folks on this board, the OVC has formally turned down Chicago State but is still pursuing D2 call-ups like Lindenwood, Lincoln Memorial, and Grand Valley State. Can anyone corroborate these claims with links to articles/messages from informed individuals and not speculative opinion pieces?

As we know USI is in
The Lindenwood claim from CollegeAD.

https://twitter.com/collegead/status/149...7539646470

Further down the thread was word that the Queen's University Board of Trustees voted unanimously to explore the possibility of moving up to Division 1. To me, the wording means they'll be investigating the feasibility and pros and cons of moving up, rather than making an imminent move.

Of course, with all the negativity and hurt feelings associated with schools wanting to move to other conferences, I guess you can't blame a school and its potential new conference home wanting to keep a lid on any announcement of a change until the last possible moment. Maybe college sports needs something like professional sports have, but instead of a trade deadline, have a transition/intention to switch conferences deadline?

I realize adding Chicago State to a conference that's close to where they are located makes sense, but the Cougars aren't very competitive in a lot of sports, and would probably be seen as a 'step down'. However, could leagues that are in dire straits now, afford to be so choosy? I've been watching some of the Cougars' game with Sam Houston today. The Jones Convocation Center is a nice facility; certainly better than a lot of glorified high school gyms some D-1 schools call home.

Sounds like what USI did last fall.

(02-12-2022 03:30 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 02:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Bump! So according to some non-DavidSt folks on this board, the OVC has formally turned down Chicago State but is still pursuing D2 call-ups like Lindenwood, Lincoln Memorial, and Grand Valley State. Can anyone corroborate these claims with links to articles/messages from informed individuals and not speculative opinion pieces?

As we know USI is in
The Lindenwood claim from CollegeAD.

https://twitter.com/collegead/status/149...7539646470

Lindenwood to D1 is way overdue. OVC needing membership opens the door.