(03-10-2022 11:23 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:19 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:12 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 12:11 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  Since Frisco is no longer near a conference member beyond 2023, should the Conference USA tournaments move closer to member institutions?

If so, it stands to reason that UTEP-NMSU should be the hosts, since their schools are so close together and they both have good basketball tradition. They would support the tournament nicely.

Particularly, UTEP, where Conference USA's only National Championship banner hangs (and they are the Conference member with the most seniority).

The Don Haskins Center has good history and the conference could use some variant of "Glory Road" branding to give tournament week a special feel.

Now that Conference USA clearly has a basketball identity, Frisco seems like a bad fit for the league beyond 2023. It's devoid of basketball identity. I'd argue the conference offices should relocate closer to a conference member(s) as well.

Is The Don Haskins Center the venue to relocate (if that is indeed what the league decides to do)?

Yea sure lets sign on for another 40 years the tournament being held in Texas while completely ignoring your anchors in basketball.

The anchors for CUSA 4.0 are two fold. WKU/MTSU and/or UTEP/NMSU. Alternating Nashville and El Paso/Las Cruces.

Yea and the tournament has been in Texas now for what 6 years since 2014?

Your school is only 75 miles further from Frisco than my school.

(03-10-2022 11:23 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:19 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:12 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 12:11 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  Since Frisco is no longer near a conference member beyond 2023, should the Conference USA tournaments move closer to member institutions?

If so, it stands to reason that UTEP-NMSU should be the hosts, since their schools are so close together and they both have good basketball tradition. They would support the tournament nicely.

Particularly, UTEP, where Conference USA's only National Championship banner hangs (and they are the Conference member with the most seniority).

The Don Haskins Center has good history and the conference could use some variant of "Glory Road" branding to give tournament week a special feel.

Now that Conference USA clearly has a basketball identity, Frisco seems like a bad fit for the league beyond 2023. It's devoid of basketball identity. I'd argue the conference offices should relocate closer to a conference member(s) as well.

Is The Don Haskins Center the venue to relocate (if that is indeed what the league decides to do)?

Yea sure lets sign on for another 40 years the tournament being held in Texas while completely ignoring your anchors in basketball.

The anchors for CUSA 4.0 are two fold. WKU/MTSU and/or UTEP/NMSU. Alternating Nashville and El Paso/Las Cruces.

Yea and the tournament has been in Texas now for what 6 years since 2014?

You’re technically in Texas but it feels more Western than Texan. Even the time zone is an hour behind the rest of Texas. Does that count as not being in Texas?

At the end of the day it comes down to money. Frisco offered money and unless a city in 4.0 offers more then it’ll be there.

(03-10-2022 10:56 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 09:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Speaking of Haskins.. I finally watched Glory Road a couple weeks ago.

I don't know how much was truth vs Hollywood, but a good movie overall.

From what I remember when the book and movie came out is that Haskins said he never made his decision to start five black players because he wanted to send a message or make a statement like the movie implied. He just believed they were the best five starters to face Kentucky in the national championship game. Another thing the movie doesn’t mention is the death threats he received after winning the NC that he sometimes wished it didn’t happen. The rest is pretty much accurate.

Again truth vs Hollywood.

I do remember that in the movie he got death threats, but the movie ends as they disembark from the plane after winning the NC.

I was amazed with the players that kept ties with UTEP/Texas Western or even stayed in El Paso after their playing days. Seems to be a rare thing these days unless they went to a P5 school.

(03-10-2022 11:36 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:23 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:19 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:12 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 12:11 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  Since Frisco is no longer near a conference member beyond 2023, should the Conference USA tournaments move closer to member institutions?

If so, it stands to reason that UTEP-NMSU should be the hosts, since their schools are so close together and they both have good basketball tradition. They would support the tournament nicely.

Particularly, UTEP, where Conference USA's only National Championship banner hangs (and they are the Conference member with the most seniority).

The Don Haskins Center has good history and the conference could use some variant of "Glory Road" branding to give tournament week a special feel.

Now that Conference USA clearly has a basketball identity, Frisco seems like a bad fit for the league beyond 2023. It's devoid of basketball identity. I'd argue the conference offices should relocate closer to a conference member(s) as well.

Is The Don Haskins Center the venue to relocate (if that is indeed what the league decides to do)?

Yea sure lets sign on for another 40 years the tournament being held in Texas while completely ignoring your anchors in basketball.

The anchors for CUSA 4.0 are two fold. WKU/MTSU and/or UTEP/NMSU. Alternating Nashville and El Paso/Las Cruces.

Yea and the tournament has been in Texas now for what 6 years since 2014?

You’re technically in Texas but it feels more Western than Texan. Even the time zone is an hour behind the rest of Texas. Does that count as not being in Texas?

At the end of the day it comes down to money. Frisco offered money and unless a city in 4.0 offers more then it’ll be there.

Liberty has the money to host from Day 1 but you think Judy will bite even if more money? They do not want to leave the pad down the street to go anywhere else.

(03-10-2022 11:38 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:36 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:23 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:19 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:12 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Yea sure lets sign on for another 40 years the tournament being held in Texas while completely ignoring your anchors in basketball.

The anchors for CUSA 4.0 are two fold. WKU/MTSU and/or UTEP/NMSU. Alternating Nashville and El Paso/Las Cruces.

Yea and the tournament has been in Texas now for what 6 years since 2014?

You’re technically in Texas but it feels more Western than Texan. Even the time zone is an hour behind the rest of Texas. Does that count as not being in Texas?

At the end of the day it comes down to money. Frisco offered money and unless a city in 4.0 offers more then it’ll be there.

Liberty has the money to host from Day 1 but you think Judy will bite even if more money? They do not want to leave the pad down the street to go anywhere else.

They even have 2 arenas on campus to make it work.

(03-10-2022 11:38 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:36 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:23 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:19 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:12 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Yea sure lets sign on for another 40 years the tournament being held in Texas while completely ignoring your anchors in basketball.

The anchors for CUSA 4.0 are two fold. WKU/MTSU and/or UTEP/NMSU. Alternating Nashville and El Paso/Las Cruces.

Yea and the tournament has been in Texas now for what 6 years since 2014?

You’re technically in Texas but it feels more Western than Texan. Even the time zone is an hour behind the rest of Texas. Does that count as not being in Texas?

At the end of the day it comes down to money. Frisco offered money and unless a city in 4.0 offers more then it’ll be there.

Liberty has the money to host from Day 1 but you think Judy will bite even if more money? They do not want to leave the pad down the street to go anywhere else.

If they offer more money then it’ll go there. Does Judy even go to any games? It’s not like she even bother to find out who’s playing in a bowl, NCAAT or conference tourney. I don’t know if she has ever set foot at UTEP as a commissioner or even when she was the AD at Tulsa. Now that UNT is leaving, she’ll have to be on the road whether she likes it or not. She reminds me of Karl Benson when we were in the WAC.

(03-10-2022 11:38 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:36 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:23 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:19 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:12 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Yea sure lets sign on for another 40 years the tournament being held in Texas while completely ignoring your anchors in basketball.

The anchors for CUSA 4.0 are two fold. WKU/MTSU and/or UTEP/NMSU. Alternating Nashville and El Paso/Las Cruces.

Yea and the tournament has been in Texas now for what 6 years since 2014?

You’re technically in Texas but it feels more Western than Texan. Even the time zone is an hour behind the rest of Texas. Does that count as not being in Texas?

At the end of the day it comes down to money. Frisco offered money and unless a city in 4.0 offers more then it’ll be there.

Liberty has the money to host from Day 1 but you think Judy will bite even if more money? They do not want to leave the pad down the street to go anywhere else.

As soon as WKU finds the right partner to join up with the MAC you will only have 468 miles to go to get to Cleveland.so there's that. Their tourney has been there for over 20 years.

(03-10-2022 12:11 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  Particularly, UTEP, where Conference USA's only National Championship banner hangs

*men's

(03-10-2022 11:23 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:19 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:12 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 12:11 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  Since Frisco is no longer near a conference member beyond 2023, should the Conference USA tournaments move closer to member institutions?

If so, it stands to reason that UTEP-NMSU should be the hosts, since their schools are so close together and they both have good basketball tradition. They would support the tournament nicely.

Particularly, UTEP, where Conference USA's only National Championship banner hangs (and they are the Conference member with the most seniority).

The Don Haskins Center has good history and the conference could use some variant of "Glory Road" branding to give tournament week a special feel.

Now that Conference USA clearly has a basketball identity, Frisco seems like a bad fit for the league beyond 2023. It's devoid of basketball identity. I'd argue the conference offices should relocate closer to a conference member(s) as well.

Is The Don Haskins Center the venue to relocate (if that is indeed what the league decides to do)?

Yea sure lets sign on for another 40 years the tournament being held in Texas while completely ignoring your anchors in basketball.

The anchors for CUSA 4.0 are two fold. WKU/MTSU and/or UTEP/NMSU. Alternating Nashville and El Paso/Las Cruces.

Yea and the tournament has been in Texas now for what 6 years since 2014?

4 times.

It was in Birmingham from 2015-2017. 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022 in Frisco. 2020 would have been but was cancelled.

Don't be like a Marshall fan about this.

(03-10-2022 11:52 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:38 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:36 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:23 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:19 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The anchors for CUSA 4.0 are two fold. WKU/MTSU and/or UTEP/NMSU. Alternating Nashville and El Paso/Las Cruces.

Yea and the tournament has been in Texas now for what 6 years since 2014?

You’re technically in Texas but it feels more Western than Texan. Even the time zone is an hour behind the rest of Texas. Does that count as not being in Texas?

At the end of the day it comes down to money. Frisco offered money and unless a city in 4.0 offers more then it’ll be there.

Liberty has the money to host from Day 1 but you think Judy will bite even if more money? They do not want to leave the pad down the street to go anywhere else.

As soon as WKU finds the right partner to join up with the MAC you will only have 468 miles to go to get to Cleveland.so there's that. Their tourney has been there for over 20 years.

Works for me. I like UTEP a lot as a program, but it doesn't make any sense for us to be in a conference together. Same for NMST.

I like the combined basketball traditions of C-USA 4.0 on paper, but I fear that media money won't be there to justify the travel.

I think Birmingham is a great central location moving forward, the area around the BJCC has improved greatly

(03-10-2022 11:43 AM)benny_t Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:38 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:36 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:23 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:19 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The anchors for CUSA 4.0 are two fold. WKU/MTSU and/or UTEP/NMSU. Alternating Nashville and El Paso/Las Cruces.

Yea and the tournament has been in Texas now for what 6 years since 2014?

You’re technically in Texas but it feels more Western than Texan. Even the time zone is an hour behind the rest of Texas. Does that count as not being in Texas?

At the end of the day it comes down to money. Frisco offered money and unless a city in 4.0 offers more then it’ll be there.

Liberty has the money to host from Day 1 but you think Judy will bite even if more money? They do not want to leave the pad down the street to go anywhere else.

They even have 2 arenas on campus to make it work.

And an indoor practice facility we can put the curtain up in.

(03-10-2022 11:52 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:38 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:36 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:23 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:19 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The anchors for CUSA 4.0 are two fold. WKU/MTSU and/or UTEP/NMSU. Alternating Nashville and El Paso/Las Cruces.

Yea and the tournament has been in Texas now for what 6 years since 2014?

You’re technically in Texas but it feels more Western than Texan. Even the time zone is an hour behind the rest of Texas. Does that count as not being in Texas?

At the end of the day it comes down to money. Frisco offered money and unless a city in 4.0 offers more then it’ll be there.

Liberty has the money to host from Day 1 but you think Judy will bite even if more money? They do not want to leave the pad down the street to go anywhere else.

As soon as WKU finds the right partner to join up with the MAC you will only have 468 miles to go to get to Cleveland.so there's that. Their tourney has been there for over 20 years.

Cannot wait! Even shorter for me and I have family in Buffalo and Akron.

(03-10-2022 12:07 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:23 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:19 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:12 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 12:11 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  Since Frisco is no longer near a conference member beyond 2023, should the Conference USA tournaments move closer to member institutions?

If so, it stands to reason that UTEP-NMSU should be the hosts, since their schools are so close together and they both have good basketball tradition. They would support the tournament nicely.

Particularly, UTEP, where Conference USA's only National Championship banner hangs (and they are the Conference member with the most seniority).

The Don Haskins Center has good history and the conference could use some variant of "Glory Road" branding to give tournament week a special feel.

Now that Conference USA clearly has a basketball identity, Frisco seems like a bad fit for the league beyond 2023. It's devoid of basketball identity. I'd argue the conference offices should relocate closer to a conference member(s) as well.

Is The Don Haskins Center the venue to relocate (if that is indeed what the league decides to do)?

Yea sure lets sign on for another 40 years the tournament being held in Texas while completely ignoring your anchors in basketball.

The anchors for CUSA 4.0 are two fold. WKU/MTSU and/or UTEP/NMSU. Alternating Nashville and El Paso/Las Cruces.

Yea and the tournament has been in Texas now for what 6 years since 2014?

4 times.

It was in Birmingham from 2015-2017. 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022 in Frisco. 2020 would have been but was cancelled.

Don't be like a Marshall fan about this.

Didn't they extend it to at least 2024?

I don’t see what’s the MAC appeal? To me it screams “we’re fine what we are” which is good if you don’t aspire for something better. I thought WKU has more ambition than being stuck in an Ohio/Michigan based conference for decades. Look at the schools that joined in the last 25 years as full or partial members with the exception of Buffalo and NIU. Marshall, UCF, Temple and UMass didn’t stay long and there’s a reason for that. The Sun Belt looks way more appealing than the MAC.

(03-10-2022 11:37 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 10:56 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 09:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Speaking of Haskins.. I finally watched Glory Road a couple weeks ago.

I don't know how much was truth vs Hollywood, but a good movie overall.

From what I remember when the book and movie came out is that Haskins said he never made his decision to start five black players because he wanted to send a message or make a statement like the movie implied. He just believed they were the best five starters to face Kentucky in the national championship game. Another thing the movie doesn’t mention is the death threats he received after winning the NC that he sometimes wished it didn’t happen. The rest is pretty much accurate.

Again truth vs Hollywood.

I do remember that in the movie he got death threats, but the movie ends as they disembark from the plane after winning the NC.

I was amazed with the players that kept ties with UTEP/Texas Western or even stayed in El Paso after their playing days. Seems to be a rare thing these days unless they went to a P5 school.

Probably me nitpicking, but a lot of the basketball is highly fictionalized. The movie has TWC as a basketball backwater at the beginning of the season, barely squeaking by the Western New Mexicos of the world. In reality, by 65-66, we were a known commodity in the basketball world. We had been to the Tournament before and probably had a Final Four team in 64 if the refs hadn't decided to foul out our best player in 8 minutes in the Elite Eight game. We had a couple close calls, but we were mainly crushing everyone in 65-66. Even the championship game wasn't as close as the movie would like you to believe.

As far as the incidents, while some might have occurred during the season, the players say they were worse in the years following since they were now in the spotlight.

Oh, and JoJo White did step out of bounds, no matter what any Kansas fan might tell you.

Just my 2 cents. And sorry, I'm a history nerd.

(03-10-2022 12:32 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:52 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:38 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:36 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:23 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Yea and the tournament has been in Texas now for what 6 years since 2014?

You’re technically in Texas but it feels more Western than Texan. Even the time zone is an hour behind the rest of Texas. Does that count as not being in Texas?

At the end of the day it comes down to money. Frisco offered money and unless a city in 4.0 offers more then it’ll be there.

Liberty has the money to host from Day 1 but you think Judy will bite even if more money? They do not want to leave the pad down the street to go anywhere else.

As soon as WKU finds the right partner to join up with the MAC you will only have 468 miles to go to get to Cleveland.so there's that. Their tourney has been there for over 20 years.

Works for me. I like UTEP a lot as a program, but it doesn't make any sense for us to be in a conference together. Same for NMST.

I like the combined basketball traditions of C-USA 4.0 on paper, but I fear that media money won't be there to justify the travel.

10 years ago, the sun belt was viewed as a joke and CUSA was viewed as one of the better G5s. You never know what will happen. What ultimately killed 3.0 is teams/programs (ahem like UTEP) underachieved significantly for a decade or so. If CUSA 4.0 has some successful teams comparable to the Memphis team of the late 2000s, maybe we can overtake the Sun belt again. We need to win in bowl games and in the NCAA tourney. The media deal will improve if that happens, even if our markets are not the strongest.

Liberty, NMSU, JSU, SHSU, UTEP, WKU, MTSU, and La Tech all have fine basketball programs, a few with major potential.

I'm cool with rotating El Paso & Nashville, as well.

(03-10-2022 04:56 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  I'm cool with rotating El Paso & Nashville, as well.

Yeah I’d be okay with that

(03-10-2022 09:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Speaking of Haskins.. I finally watched Glory Road a couple weeks ago.

I don't know how much was truth vs Hollywood, but a good movie overall.

I saw it in a theater back in ’06 and, yes, it is a good movie on its own merits. Great or near-great, if you’re only comparing it to most sports films. But as for “truth” or historical accuracy? … about the same as a Star Wars movie.