The difference between #105 and #110 has to be the dumbest argument of all time. Especially considering how 247 comes up with these point totals to begin with.

(05-11-2022 08:41 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 07:49 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 07:30 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 06:39 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  JSU has several not graded, also. Sure the others have those too.

Our recruiting hasnt finished as RR said to expect 50-60 new players after the end of spring practice.

What? Is that a typo?

May have the number off by a few but no. Said the talent level wasnt what he wanted.
Sounds like a lot of transfers will be coming to JSU.

You have a rough couple of years ahead.

I think JSU would’ve had a few rough years ahead, even if they had stayed in the FCS.

(05-11-2022 08:00 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  I can't speak for the other FCS transition teams, but 247 is awful for JMU. They only have 4 total commits (not counting the transfers) when the class was actually 14. Not sure how long it takes for 247 to be accurate, but I assume it will be more accurate once JMU has a full year under it's belt in FBS.

That’s a Curt Cignetti-level well done excuse. Very nice.

(05-10-2022 09:59 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Not surprising, its a better group of teams.

Jacksonville State 148.

(05-11-2022 08:37 AM)Engblazr Wrote:  I always find G5 recruiting rankings absolute garbage. UAB is a great example. Bill Clark’s UAB teams have been middle of the pack in CUSA recruiting. Other teams have had much higher graded classes. You’d think that might translate to being a middle of the pack CUSA team? Nope. The most consistent winner of the last 5 years in conference play. The program has not finished lower than second place in the west division since the return, won 2 conference championships, and played in 3 championship games. Let’s wait and see how it plays out on-field.

This rankings are useless....

Western is usually between 4 and 7 since 2014 and other than a bad hire that lasted 2 years Western plays at the top of the east along with Marshall.

Its all about
coach
system
recruiting to that system

If your school has those 3 they usually win and compete at the top of a conference. If they are recruiting "star" rankings and not players that make their system better. They usually middle of the pack with a top 3 finish every now and then.

UAB has been very lucky so far that they haven't had to change coaches because the most important part of a program is....

the next hire

Get that wrong and you are fighting the next 3 to 4 years to get back to the top. Assuming the coach is fired quickly and his replacement is "the correct hire"

(05-11-2022 08:57 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  The difference between #105 and #110 has to be the dumbest argument of all time. Especially considering how 247 comes up with these point totals to begin with.

The point is Sun Belt posters think they are light years ahead of CUSA and the MAC. They are not. They are all in the same group of conferences.

(05-11-2022 08:36 AM)Herd6993 Wrote:  Advantage of being a 9 team conference vs 14. Take the top 9 and you will see the SBC is clearly ahead.

This might be the dumbest take I’ve ever seen on here. Let’s get rid of all of our deadweight and compare it when we have the same number of teams. Why not throw out the top 5 and see how it is? It’s the entire conference.

(05-11-2022 10:45 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 08:57 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  The difference between #105 and #110 has to be the dumbest argument of all time. Especially considering how 247 comes up with these point totals to begin with.

The point is Sun Belt posters think they are light years ahead of CUSA and the MAC. They are not. They are all in the same group of conferences.

That is not true. There are a FEW SBC posters with this attitude. Most of us know this is G5 football. On paper, the SBC has performed better than CUSA over the last four years, enough to be mentioned. But light years? Very few are saying that, and most know that all of this could change at the drop of a hat.

(05-11-2022 10:54 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 10:45 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 08:57 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  The difference between #105 and #110 has to be the dumbest argument of all time. Especially considering how 247 comes up with these point totals to begin with.

The point is Sun Belt posters think they are light years ahead of CUSA and the MAC. They are not. They are all in the same group of conferences.

That is not true. There are a FEW SBC posters with this attitude. Most of us know this is G5 football. On paper, the SBC has performed better than CUSA over the last four years, enough to be mentioned. But light years? Very few are saying that, and most know that all of this could change at the drop of a hat.

The SBC leadership has done well with the moves they’ve made. The geographic fit is really desirable and something I hope CUSA can work on down the road. We need to stay at 9 for a while and see what we’ve got. That is where the SBC is light years ahead. Both divisions have pretty much every game as games those fans want to see. Every move below helped the conference.

Adding App, GaSouthern, CCU
Letting Idaho and NMSU go (I like NMSU but they were an outlier)
Letting Little Rock and UTA go
Adding Marshall, ODU, JMU and USM

(05-11-2022 09:22 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 08:41 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 07:49 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 07:30 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 06:39 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  JSU has several not graded, also. Sure the others have those too.

Our recruiting hasnt finished as RR said to expect 50-60 new players after the end of spring practice.

What? Is that a typo?

May have the number off by a few but no. Said the talent level wasnt what he wanted.
Sounds like a lot of transfers will be coming to JSU.

You have a rough couple of years ahead.

I think JSU would’ve had a few rough years ahead, even if they had stayed in the FCS.

The October game result would seem to back this statement.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=sam+housto...ORM=HDRSC1

Coach Rod was only hired Nov. 29, just two weeks before the early signing period. He was still assembling his staff throughout much of the spring recruiting period. That said, it was still (on paper) one of the better classes the Gamecocks have landed in our FCS/I-AA history. We'll see how everything improves this December, but until then, Jax State fans are not particularly troubled by our #148 ranking this go round.

As for the transfers, Coach Rod has primarily focused on younger players. Most of our transfers have 3-4 years of eligibility remaining. That makes them far more equivalent to high school seniors than one-and-done mercenaries. We went 5-6 last fall, and the team's mindset wasn't where it needed to be. If we tried to push forward with the same roster, it'd be an uphill climb just to get back to mediocrity. As it is, we'll have a team full of players who know they'll need to produce. I'll take that any day. (I should definitely mention that some of the guys who left were not run off, but are using their final year of eligibility to improve their potential NFL stock by signing with P5 programs. Those guys weren't the problem.)

(05-11-2022 11:12 AM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:22 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 08:41 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 07:49 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 07:30 AM)Dusky Wrote:  What? Is that a typo?

May have the number off by a few but no. Said the talent level wasnt what he wanted.
Sounds like a lot of transfers will be coming to JSU.

You have a rough couple of years ahead.

I think JSU would’ve had a few rough years ahead, even if they had stayed in the FCS.

The October game result would seem to back this statement.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=sam+housto...ORM=HDRSC1

Oof lol

(05-11-2022 11:12 AM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:22 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 08:41 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 07:49 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 07:30 AM)Dusky Wrote:  What? Is that a typo?

May have the number off by a few but no. Said the talent level wasnt what he wanted.
Sounds like a lot of transfers will be coming to JSU.

You have a rough couple of years ahead.

I think JSU would’ve had a few rough years ahead, even if they had stayed in the FCS.

The October game result would seem to back this statement.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=sam+housto...ORM=HDRSC1

It wasnt as close as the score would indicate.

(05-11-2022 09:23 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 08:00 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  I can't speak for the other FCS transition teams, but 247 is awful for JMU. They only have 4 total commits (not counting the transfers) when the class was actually 14. Not sure how long it takes for 247 to be accurate, but I assume it will be more accurate once JMU has a full year under it's belt in FBS.

That’s a Curt Cignetti-level well done excuse. Very nice.

Not really an excuse, just a clear gap from 247. There are 10 whole recruits that are missing from JMU's recruiting. Like all those fans that are always missing from Sam Houston home games.

(05-11-2022 11:25 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:23 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 08:00 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  I can't speak for the other FCS transition teams, but 247 is awful for JMU. They only have 4 total commits (not counting the transfers) when the class was actually 14. Not sure how long it takes for 247 to be accurate, but I assume it will be more accurate once JMU has a full year under it's belt in FBS.

That’s a Curt Cignetti-level well done excuse. Very nice.

Not really an excuse, just a clear gap from 247. There are 10 whole recruits that are missing from JMU's recruiting. Like all those fans that are always missing from Sam Houston home games.

Or blowing a 21 point lead....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX8AHWC5dQ0

(05-11-2022 11:25 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:23 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 08:00 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  I can't speak for the other FCS transition teams, but 247 is awful for JMU. They only have 4 total commits (not counting the transfers) when the class was actually 14. Not sure how long it takes for 247 to be accurate, but I assume it will be more accurate once JMU has a full year under it's belt in FBS.

That’s a Curt Cignetti-level well done excuse. Very nice.

Not really an excuse, just a clear gap from 247. There are 10 whole recruits that are missing from JMU's recruiting. Like all those fans that are always missing from Sam Houston home games.

That's the other reason JSU fans aren't concerned about our low ranking. Never mind the missing high school players... 247 only has three transfers factored in to our score. At last count, we have 10 transfers who have signed, and 8 of them are ranked 3 stars or better by 247. If the rankings are ever updated, we'll end up much higher than we are now.

But it's all on paper anyway. Recruiting is a crapshoot in the best of circumstances. Once you take the 4- and 5-star studs off the table, what's left is a jumbled, random mess. Players will either perform on the field or they'll be forgotten forever.

(05-11-2022 11:16 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 11:12 AM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:22 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 08:41 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 07:49 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  May have the number off by a few but no. Said the talent level wasnt what he wanted.
Sounds like a lot of transfers will be coming to JSU.

You have a rough couple of years ahead.

I think JSU would’ve had a few rough years ahead, even if they had stayed in the FCS.

The October game result would seem to back this statement.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=sam+housto...ORM=HDRSC1

Oof lol

I try not to but SHSU gets a lot of flak for our lack of attendance and sub par D1 facilities. Hopefully both will change and we will continue our upward trend. We have a great coach and I believe the facilities should be well taken care of once an announcement is made by the school. Attendance is a separate issue and I guess we'll see what happens when we play FBS competition going forward.

College sports are a whole different world compared to 4 or 5 years ago and anyone that believes you build a program off high school recruits is not going to do very well today.

Unless your school has a very good NIL setup that is paying players a good chunk of money those high school players that do well early on will be out the door by year 3.

The players in the portal already have 1 to 3 years of college weight room and the body that comes with that. A lot of them also got to learn their skills under some of the best coaches and going against some top players. In most cases you are getting a player that was rated a lot higher than you will get out of high school.

Those coaches that know how to fill holes with the portal or find talent that fits into their system are the schools that's going to be 7 to 10 win teams most years. For a school moving up loading up on 40 players from the portal can make the move smoother...

college ready body
already had a year to 3 of college coaching
practiced against talented players

if those players are looking to make a statement that they should have been playing at their former school. You are also getting a "football players heart" and that can be just as good as talent.

Till this new age of sports works itself out trying to build off high players redshirting and then playing 3 years is going to lead to disappointment for most. Those with the best talent will be moving on and those that are "mistakes" in recruiting will be taking up scholarship room.

I believe Western had 26 new players last year and while it cost Western some early games the talent upgrade for the system being ran was huge and put Western into position to play for their 3rd conference championship. I think this makes moving up a lot easier than when most of us moved up.

(05-11-2022 11:35 AM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 11:16 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 11:12 AM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:22 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 08:41 AM)Dusky Wrote:  You have a rough couple of years ahead.

I think JSU would’ve had a few rough years ahead, even if they had stayed in the FCS.

The October game result would seem to back this statement.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=sam+housto...ORM=HDRSC1

Oof lol

I try not to but SHSU gets a lot of flak for our lack of attendance and sub par D1 facilities. Hopefully both will change and we will continue our upward trend. We have a great coach and I believe the facilities should be well taken care of once an announcement is made by the school. Attendance is a separate issue and I guess we'll see what happens when we play FBS competition going forward.

FBS does factor into the attendance. Fans will turn out in bigger numbers for UTEP and LT I would guess. If you guys start a season 6-0 you’ll see the flood gates open compared to FCS. I think the facilities will be on par with the rest of CUSA and should be pretty nice. I’d say go to 20-23k and load up on luxury suites. Throw in a home game every few years vs SFA and you will be fine.

(05-11-2022 11:48 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 11:35 AM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 11:16 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 11:12 AM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:22 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  I think JSU would’ve had a few rough years ahead, even if they had stayed in the FCS.

The October game result would seem to back this statement.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=sam+housto...ORM=HDRSC1

Oof lol

I try not to but SHSU gets a lot of flak for our lack of attendance and sub par D1 facilities. Hopefully both will change and we will continue our upward trend. We have a great coach and I believe the facilities should be well taken care of once an announcement is made by the school. Attendance is a separate issue and I guess we'll see what happens when we play FBS competition going forward.

FBS does factor into the attendance. Fans will turn out in bigger numbers for UTEP and LT I would guess. If you guys start a season 6-0 you’ll see the flood gates open compared to FCS. I think the facilities will be on par with the rest of CUSA and should be pretty nice. I’d say go to 20-23k and load up on luxury suites. Throw in a home game every few years vs SFA and you will be fine.

I agree with 100% of that. We have some history with JSU which could have a little better draw but not likely. A OOC game against JMU is something a lot of fans would like along with more local games against Houston and Rice or playing our old rival TX State. Winning a lot I think will help some. We are hoping we keep the stadium a lower capacity 20kish with lots of luxury seats and actually make it look like a right and proper FBS stadium. I do hope SFA will play money games with us occasionally but I wouldn't be surprised if they turn it down.