(07-02-2022 08:39 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Terrible source for this rumor but that doesn't mean it might not come to fruition. ...

Quite. Completely disregard "the Dude from WV said it" as SUPPORT for the rumor. However, dismissing the possibility BECAUSE the Dude said it would be the logical "ad hominem argument" fallacy.

After all, even a stopped (analog) clock is right twice a day.

It makes quite a bit of sense for the Arizona schools to look for access to Texas if their pipeline into Southern California is leaving the PAC-12, and if the Arizona schools join the Big12, while EITHER Cal+Stanford OR Washington+Oregon leave the PAC12 alongside USC+UCLA, that certainly makes the resulting Big12 more appealing for Colorado and Utah.

By the same token, if the Big Ten were to only wish to go to 18 for now, then whichever of Oregon+Washington or Cal+Stanford is stuck waiting for the BigTen to decide that the time is ripe to move to 20 or 22 might also apply to the Big12 while they wait for the their ticket to arrive.

The resulting Big18 could schedule 3-rivals plus six-rotating-games just like the Big Ten can do at 18.

(07-02-2022 08:23 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 03:54 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...ok, another wild rumor deal - which is actually one that is 'rumored to be in the works' anyway, but this is... The DUDE from West Virginia, so... bookit...

MH ver3@MH ver3 · 2h
My source just informed me that Arizona, Colorado, Utah, and Arizona State have applied for membership with the B12. Things are getting crazy!

MH ver3@MH ver3 · 1h
The four schools that applied for B12 were already told outright “no thanks” by B1G

...and this might be the case, but who knows if it actually 'takes'... I HAVE read enough from the BIGXII side of things to know they are taking a 'proactive' approach, so... this move WOULD be a no-brainer if you want to get the jump on any PAC raiding of the BIGXII....

MHver3 and The Dude of West Virginia are two different people. Both are pretty nuts, but they're two different people.

With that said: the B12 has had their eyes on the Arizona schools for years, even before OU and UT were looking elsewhere. If the Pac implodes and the B1G doesn't want them, the B12 is their best option. Arizona would like the B12 basketball conference, and ASU and the Phoenix market are very desirable to the B12.

It's too bad that ASU is not AAU. The Valley is full of transplants from B1G country. The athletic department would fit like a glove, but I'm not sure if the B1G would be willing to compromise on academic stature for ASU. I have read a tweet that Fox's valuations of ASU are positive. So they may still be on the table for the B1G, but behind ND, Oregon, and Washington on the list.

The above makes me wonder if AZ might have a better chance than Cal into the B10

(07-02-2022 08:17 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 08:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 04:17 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 04:11 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 04:07 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  If it is true that they have already been rebuffed by the B1G, then I could see this. But I find it hard to believe that with so many dominoes yet to fall that the B1G has already shut the door on the AAU schools and fast-growing states of Arizona, Colorado and Utah.

The Sun Devils yes, they're not AAU and don't stand a snowball's chance in Tempe of getting an invite to the B1G. They'd be remiss not to at least check with Birmingham, but that's unlikely to work out and they lack any better options than the Big XII. There is a perverse stability to the XII that the PAC & ACC lack, because the big two don't want their members (unless Kansas or one of the others is needed to round things out at some point).

I really don’t see Arizona and Arizona State getting B10 invites, but if you were to invite UA, it would be smart to take Arizona State too. A short bus ride away for Olympic sports. It’s not like ASU is some god awful school or athletics program.

Everyone is beginning to realize that it's going to be the SEC, the B1G and everyone else. With that reality in mind, the B12 has positioned itself as the most stable conference. As you say, it's highly unlikely any of its members are plucked by the SEC or B1G. Everyone assumes the B12 will melt down but they're in the best position they can be right now and have real potential to go on the offensive with the P12 reeling.

Cincinnati might get a look at by the SEC. It is a border state, and would get SEC into the midwest.

I'd be shocked honestly. The new landscape is about brands that move the needle. I'm as die hard of a UC fan as you'll find but I'm not seeing it. I just hope what's left in that tier below SEC/B1G is still viable and fun.

Cincinnati moves the needle more than Vanderbilt and Mississippi State. Strong in football and men's basketball.

Wasn't Mhver3 "TuxedoYoda" back in the day?

It would be savage of the BIG to unequivocally tell those schools “no” while keeping Oregon and UW in flux. At least tell them it depends.

Otherwise those 4 would leave for the Big 12. There is no risk in that move. If UW and Oregon are passed on by BIG, they’d be forced to join the 4 in the Big 12.
If Oregon and UW go to BIG, the 4 schools are not sticking around in a conference that was already in trouble before losing its top 4 brands. Even at current 12, The Pac12 vs Pac12 ratings are poor and trending down. It’s often fighting with AAC and MWC for 5th.

(07-02-2022 08:39 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Terrible source for this rumor but that doesn't mean it might not come to fruition.

If the B1G is done and stays at 16, then this has no legs, to
much power left in the PAC.

On the other hand if the B1G takes Cal, Oregon, Stanford, and Washington to go to 20, I think this is exactly what will happen. In this scenario I wonder if the BigXII would make room for Oregon State and WSU?

The only path I see for Oregon St & WSU not to be left behind would be for the B1G to pass on Oregon/Washington which would either allow the P12 to live on or set up a full merger between the P12 & B12.

(07-02-2022 11:59 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Wasn't Mhver3 "TuxedoYoda" back in the day?

No. Mhver3 = WVU, TY = UT-Austin.

(07-03-2022 02:45 AM)clpp01 Wrote:  The only path I see for Oregon St & WSU

In what markets are their games "broadcast"? If they bring WA and OR, then they seem attractive.

And from their folk I've known, their more-humble attitudes are good fits with the Big XII. Cal-Berk, not so much.

(07-02-2022 08:39 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Terrible source for this rumor but that doesn't mean it might not come to fruition.

If the B1G is done and stays at 16, then this has no legs, to
much power left in the PAC.

On the other hand if the B1G takes Cal, Oregon, Stanford, and Washington to go to 20, I think this is exactly what will happen. In this scenario I wonder if the BigXII would make room for Oregon State and WSU?

Why? The media markets of Pullman and Corvallis?

(07-03-2022 07:43 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 08:39 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Terrible source for this rumor but that doesn't mean it might not come to fruition.

If the B1G is done and stays at 16, then this has no legs, to
much power left in the PAC.

On the other hand if the B1G takes Cal, Oregon, Stanford, and Washington to go to 20, I think this is exactly what will happen. In this scenario I wonder if the BigXII would make room for Oregon State and WSU?

Why? The media markets of Pullman and Corvallis?

Depending on how it was done, it may be easier to swallow the remainder of the Pac 12 than to have schools pay exit fees to Washington State and Oregon State. If Washington and Oregon continue to play their in-state rivals, that also makes for quality content, at least every other year.

I agree that The Dude is not a great source but admit that it would be logical. On the other hand I thought Big 12 was normally reactive, and so probably would not solicit other teams unless they lose one.

(07-03-2022 07:43 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 08:39 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Terrible source for this rumor but that doesn't mean it might not come to fruition.

If the B1G is done and stays at 16, then this has no legs, to
much power left in the PAC.

On the other hand if the B1G takes Cal, Oregon, Stanford, and Washington to go to 20, I think this is exactly what will happen. In this scenario I wonder if the BigXII would make room for Oregon State and WSU?

Why? The media markets of Pullman and Corvallis?

Just a question Rath. These two schools have survived for a long time in a major conference, I'm just curious where they end up if the B1G kills the PAC.

(07-03-2022 07:43 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 08:39 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Terrible source for this rumor but that doesn't mean it might not come to fruition.

If the B1G is done and stays at 16, then this has no legs, to
much power left in the PAC.

On the other hand if the B1G takes Cal, Oregon, Stanford, and Washington to go to 20, I think this is exactly what will happen. In this scenario I wonder if the BigXII would make room for Oregon State and WSU?

Why? The media markets of Pullman and Corvallis?

Hey, WSU also has the Moscow ID market as part of it.

(07-02-2022 05:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 04:07 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  If it is true that they have already been rebuffed by the B1G, then I could see this. But I find it hard to believe that with so many dominoes yet to fall that the B1G has already shut the door on the AAU schools and fast-growing states of Arizona, Colorado and Utah.

The Sun Devils yes, they're not AAU and don't stand a snowball's chance in Tempe of getting an invite to the B1G. They'd be remiss not to at least check with Birmingham, but that's unlikely to work out and they lack any better options than the Big XII. There is a perverse stability to the XII that the PAC & ACC lack, because the big two don't want their members (unless Kansas or one of the others is needed to round things out at some point).

If you’ve been keeping up with current events, then you know the water situation in the West is almost certain to directly affect the potential of future growth in that area. I wouldn’t be surprised to see growth reverse in many portions of the west due to water scarcity. I could see the Big10 viewing the area as a less attractive expansion option than California, the northwest, or Texas.

Glad you mentioned that. I did in another way in another thread. Lake Mead dropping lower will cause issues for Las Vegas and California as power generation is becoming a critical issue. The Corp is letting water loose from Flaming Gorge but that is only a temporary stop gap.

(07-02-2022 04:04 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 03:57 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Yup. They weren't gonna wait on the B1G. Have to protect the athletic departments with better competition. Wouldn't be surprised if this becomes official this month or next week perhaps. Source is questionable though.

...yeah, I wouldn't make any life-altering decisions based on info from The Dude... ...but I really wouldn't be surprised, considering that UO and UW were noted by SOME 'legit-ish' source that they have applied to the B1G... wonder what the status of Cal and Stan are? I think there are 'contingency plans' for them, pending what ND decides to do...

Actually check his tweets. Back in April he said Fox was consulting with B1G to take UCLA and USC.

Does anyone really think the B1G would bring in 4 more PAC 12 schools without checking in with ND first ?

(07-03-2022 10:32 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Does anyone really think the B1G would bring in 4 more PAC 12 schools without checking in with ND first ?

They are probably getting Notre Dame's input to entice them. That's why I think Stanford has a good shot.

Who stands in line to give the Big 12 their next contract? If Fox does, then they have every incentive to strip the PAC and leave behind WSU and OSU.

(07-02-2022 04:15 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 04:11 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 04:07 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  If it is true that they have already been rebuffed by the B1G, then I could see this. But I find it hard to believe that with so many dominoes yet to fall that the B1G has already shut the door on the AAU schools and fast-growing states of Arizona, Colorado and Utah.

The Sun Devils yes, they're not AAU and don't stand a snowball's chance in Tempe of getting an invite to the B1G. They'd be remiss not to at least check with Birmingham, but that's unlikely to work out and they lack any better options than the Big XII. There is a perverse stability to the XII that the PAC & ACC lack, because the big two don't want their members (unless Kansas or one of the others is needed to round things out at some point).

I really don’t see Arizona and Arizona State getting B10 invites, but if you were to invite UA, it would be smart to take Arizona State too. A short bus ride away for Olympic sports. It’s not like ASU is some god awful school or athletics program.

...yeah, doesn't ASU have the largest enrollment, period? I know lots of it entails 'online' stuff, but I reckon that money stream counts about as much as the 'on-campus' students... They would seem to be in some ways MORE attractive than UA, save for the AAU status...

Large enrollment = nonselective school. That's not a good thing. Under this logic, better schools would just let everyone in.

We hadn't had realignment in such a long time that I forgot that the hotbed of news always came out of West Virginia.