(02-08-2023 08:49 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Plan A should always be check with Boise State to see if they are willing to jump to AAC.
Plan B is Air Force, Colorado State, aka your more generic MWC teams.

I wonder at what point a full merge with the MWC would be worthwhile? Expanded CFP takes Top 6 champions, surely a merged AAC/MWC is a Top6 league.

Is the MWC down to 10 now and AAC 13?

Could be possible down the road eventually.

I think it's more likely to be under the AAC umbrella though. The PAC will get hit by the big 10 and backfill with MWC teams.

Then the AAC can take the rest in that case

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(02-08-2023 08:59 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 08:41 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  The success of the AAC in the future is going to come off the backs of Memphis, UAB, ECU, and usf. SMU leaving doesn't change that, and tbh if I were an SMU fan, I would be very careful hitching your wagon to the PAC-12 that will inevitably lose OU-UW-UA-ASU-CU and possibly UU, Stanford and Cal.

Strong likelihood to be caught in a WAC 2.0 scenario with a hodge-podge of MWC backfill and front range misfits.

AAC might be better off without SMU, if that is the only program that leaves. I know Sun Belt people are very happy with their conference, but you have to imagine the AAC still has the leverage of their pick of the programs. Build the conference geographically in between Texas and North Carolina.

EDIT: Georgia State, USA, Coastal? Some MAC programs?

SMU doesn’t have a choice. If the PAC invite comes they have to take it. If the PAC is decimated in five years then figure that problem out in five years.

Exactly

If the PAC invites SMU, and they should, I wish them well. As for the AAC, I agree Army or Georgia State should get first looks. Since MWC will also lose SDSU, a revisit to Air Force, Colorado State and Boise should also be revisited.

Could have sworn they were headed to the Big 10. JK JK congrats SMU if it happens.

Aresco should be ALL in on some combo of AFA, Boise, Colorado St, and Army.

AFA, CSU/BSU and Army (VCU for hoops) would be a major upgrade over SMU. Hell, just Army and VCU would be an upgrade.

(02-08-2023 09:00 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 08:49 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Plan A should always be check with Boise State to see if they are willing to jump to AAC.
Plan B is Air Force, Colorado State, aka your more generic MWC teams.

I wonder at what point a full merge with the MWC would be worthwhile? Expanded CFP takes Top 6 champions, surely a merged AAC/MWC is a Top6 league.

Is the MWC down to 10 now and AAC 13?

Could be possible down the road eventually.

I think it's more likely to be under the AAC umbrella though. The PAC will get hit by the big 10 and backfill with MWC teams.

Then the AAC can take the rest in that case

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Since nothing is official yet, MW is at 12 and AAC is at 14 (as of July 1st).

Speculation by fans is SDSU and SMU.

(02-08-2023 09:41 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  Aresco should be ALL in on some combo of AFA, Boise, Colorado St, and Army.

AFA, CSU/BSU and Army (VCU for hoops) would be a major upgrade over SMU. Hell, just Army and VCU would be an upgrade.

This is the move. Maybe not Boise State though.

AFA, Army, CSU

So with everything I'm reading on this board people believe the future is 4 large conferences... What is the maximum conference size before they begin to implode Like the old Southwest Conference?

To me the ideal Conference size is 10 or 12 to create and maintain revelries and fan interest.

(02-08-2023 09:56 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  So with everything I'm reading on this board people believe the future is 4 large conferences... What is the maximum conference size before they begin to implode Like the old Southwest Conference?

I think anything over 16 becomes difficult.

Well if this indeed happens, ( I think likely) 1/3 of the original P6 will now be P5. I Pac adds 2 they will lock in survival, which I always thought was likely. They also at the end of the day be the #5 conference. Just like with B12 there is nothing in the books to remove them from A status.

(02-08-2023 09:57 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 09:56 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  So with everything I'm reading on this board people believe the future is 4 large conferences... What is the maximum conference size before they begin to implode Like the old Southwest Conference?

I think anything over 16 becomes difficult.

Agree... and yet I can see big 10 easily going beyond that if Notre Dame is one of the additions.

I also can't see any conference going beyond 20.

(02-08-2023 09:57 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 09:56 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  So with everything I'm reading on this board people believe the future is 4 large conferences... What is the maximum conference size before they begin to implode Like the old Southwest Conference?

I think anything over 16 becomes difficult.

B1G would be at 20 already if Notre Dame played nicely.
SEC is waiting on B1G to make a move to get to 20 too.
ACC is stuck in limbo until the GoR expires or is extended
PAC-12 is fighting for it's life
Big 12 is trying to find a crack in the armor to get to 16, maybe 20.

AAC could go big, hedge their bets on quantity and be the legitimate best of the rest 20 team conference. Add AFA, CSU, BSU, Wyo, +Army, ODU, JMU to fill out eastern divisions:

usf
UAB
FAU
UNCC
ECU

Navy
JMU
ODU
Temple
Army

CSU
BSU
AFA
Wyo
Tulsa

Rice
UNT
UTSA
Memphis
Tulane

(02-08-2023 10:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Well if this indeed happens, ( I think likely) 1/3 of the original P6 will now be P5. I Pac adds 2 they will lock in survival, which I always thought was likely. They also at the end of the day be the #5 conference. Just like with B12 there is nothing in the books to remove them from A status.

There was "nothing in the books" to remove the BIG EAST from A status, other than "***** envy" because they send 11 teams to the NCAAT when basketball ruled, and yet here we are talking about "P5" instead of "P6".

(02-08-2023 09:56 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  So with everything I'm reading on this board people believe the future is 4 large conferences... What is the maximum conference size before they begin to implode Like the old Southwest Conference?

To me the ideal Conference size is 10 or 12 to create and maintain revelries and fan interest.

IMHO, 20 isn't a 'conference'. It's two conferences stuck together. Basically your East and West (or whatever) divisions become functional conferences... under the same flag and media deal. In a real conference you play everyone every season, or close to that...

(02-08-2023 08:59 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 08:41 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  The success of the AAC in the future is going to come off the backs of Memphis, UAB, ECU, and usf. SMU leaving doesn't change that, and tbh if I were an SMU fan, I would be very careful hitching your wagon to the PAC-12 that will inevitably lose OU-UW-UA-ASU-CU and possibly UU, Stanford and Cal.

Strong likelihood to be caught in a WAC 2.0 scenario with a hodge-podge of MWC backfill and front range misfits.

AAC might be better off without SMU, if that is the only program that leaves. I know Sun Belt people are very happy with their conference, but you have to imagine the AAC still has the leverage of their pick of the programs. Build the conference geographically in between Texas and North Carolina.

EDIT: Georgia State, USA, Coastal? Some MAC programs?

SMU doesn’t have a choice. If the PAC invite comes they have to take it. If the PAC is decimated in five years then figure that problem out in five years.

Correct. In addition to that, if the PAC gets decimated in 5 years, at least SMU will have a P5 label at that point and other P5 conferences would be more willing to add them as oppose to having a G5 label moving up.

(02-08-2023 08:41 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  The success of the AAC in the future is going to come off the backs of Memphis, UAB, ECU, and usf. SMU leaving doesn't change that, and tbh if I were an SMU fan, I would be very careful hitching your wagon to the PAC-12 that will inevitably lose OU-UW-UA-ASU-CU and possibly UU, Stanford and Cal.

Strong likelihood to be caught in a WAC 2.0 scenario with a hodge-podge of MWC backfill and front range misfits.

AAC might be better off without SMU, if that is the only program that leaves. I know Sun Belt people are very happy with their conference, but you have to imagine the AAC still has the leverage of their pick of the programs. Build the conference geographically in between Texas and North Carolina.

EDIT: Georgia State, USA, Coastal? Some MAC programs?

Bird in hand.

I wonder how long it will take for the PAC to consider Nevada-Reno (Strong athletics) and UNLV (Las Vegas and that shiny new raiders stadium).

Sooner rather than later may be prudent for them.

Not here to flame, but generally interested in all this.

I think a merger of Mountain West and AAC schools would be dope. It may come down to that.

I know Sun Belt teams are happy in our conference. I don't see any of our schools leaving for the AAC.

I think Army + basketball add would be the first goal. But it's going to be hard convincing Army, as they've already made known their interest in remaining an independent.

None of these dying "power conferences" like the ACC, Big 12 or PAC will be done adding remnants....

So this is just starting....

Is anyone of the opinion that this is a desperate attempt by the PAC 12 Commis. to keep the league together? Relying on streaming to strengthen the league payout is not a sign of significance in the market. He knows the four corner schools will bolt if the new deal is less per school than the current Big 12 and would only be stronger with the addition of the four corners schools.

Big 12 with four corner schools, SDSU and possibly Tulane, USF/FAU or other schools witronger.