For the argument sake, credible sources (I couldn’t find one directly from GS):

https://www.kennesaw.edu/news/stories/20...growth.php

https://www.collegeconfidential.com/coll...niversity/

I also would point out that GS acquired a college in Savannah so that would increase their total endowment.

(03-09-2023 08:49 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  ONly thing that matters is when is Ga ST. leaving so WKU can take their spot?

Much respect for you guys. If GSU ends up market bound for the AAC, I'd want the SBC to be on the phone with you guys as soon as possible.

(03-09-2023 09:25 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  I also would point out that GS acquired a college in Savannah so that would increase their total endowment.

Armstrong endowment was low. BTW they only had 4K students

GS did not acquire Armstrong the Georgia BOR forced GS and Armstrong to merger. The same thing happened with KSU and Southern Poly Tech. A public school cannot acquire another public school in Georgia. All of these schools are under one system (USG).

Armstrong endowment was 12.2M before they merged. Even if you add the two endowments for Armstrong and GS KSU endowment is still larger.

Armstrong endowment Link: https://www.collegeconfidential.com/coll...ng-campus/

Again base on your sources KSU endowment is higher. Which goes back to my main point, SBC fans quit talking about a school that you don't know. I don't go and say false stuff about GS. If I said anything that is false about GS, Drew would be the first one to correct me.

I rooted for GSU when they went to the tournament. I honestly don't know how GSU fans deal with GS fan. GSU owns GS at football as well and GS fans are still bashing them?

I honestly think Kennesaw State has more upside between the two when it comes to athletics. GSU is big and in ATL but outside of basketball they haven't done much of anything athletically. The fan support is low across the board even in that new pretty arena. Being inside of ATL is probably more of a disadvantage for them than anything considering how much there is to do there. But, Atlanta is indeed a football city just basically when it comes to UGA, the Falcons and whatever teams happen to make the SEC Championship and the local high school state championships. Outside of that and the HBCU "classic" games, none of the other teams in the area really have a stellar following.

(03-09-2023 07:13 AM)jones682 Wrote:  KSU has the all time record vs GSU in baseball so that is a mute point. "Very little to compare" KSU has been in D1 for almost 20 years

17-12 advantage in baseball doesn't nearly help your case as you think it does.

As for basketball, I don't understand this bragging bravado when this is literally Kennesaw's last 20 years in D1.


For the record, I like your current guy Coach Amir Abdur-Rahim, the man recruits Atlanta. You better not lose him to Georgia Southern where his pay will go at x2 or x3 what he's paid now at Kennesaw. They fired their coach today and have a vacancy.

(03-09-2023 05:15 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:13 AM)jones682 Wrote:  KSU has the all time record vs GSU in baseball so that is a mute point. "Very little to compare" KSU has been in D1 for almost 20 years

17-12 advantage in baseball doesn't nearly help your case as you think it does.

As for basketball, I don't understand this bragging bravado when this is literally Kennesaw's last 20 years in D1.


For the record, I like your current guy Coach Amir Abdur-Rahim, the man recruits Atlanta. You better not lose him to Georgia Southern where his pay will go at x2 or x3 what he's paid now at Kennesaw. They fired their coach today and have a vacancy.

The bolded text statement above is not true


Georgia Southern MBB coach is not X2-X3 times KSU MBB coach's pay. Again that is not true. Abdur-Rahim base pay is 230K a year and he got a contract extension last year with a raise so his pay is now higher then 230K. With KSU going to the post season and CUSA, he will get a higher raise. Georgia Southern MBB head Coach gets payed 218K see link below. Again please SBC fans STOP saying false information regarding KSU.

GoSo BB Pay: https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/...er%20year.


He is not going to leave KSU for Georgia Southern. He would go to a P5

(03-09-2023 08:49 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  ONly thing that matters is when is Ga ST. leaving so WKU can take their spot?

You better hope soon, it looks like KSU will pass you in short order

(03-09-2023 07:25 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 05:15 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:13 AM)jones682 Wrote:  KSU has the all time record vs GSU in baseball so that is a mute point. "Very little to compare" KSU has been in D1 for almost 20 years

17-12 advantage in baseball doesn't nearly help your case as you think it does.

As for basketball, I don't understand this bragging bravado when this is literally Kennesaw's last 20 years in D1.


For the record, I like your current guy Coach Amir Abdur-Rahim, the man recruits Atlanta. You better not lose him to Georgia Southern where his pay will go at x2 or x3 what he's paid now at Kennesaw. They fired their coach today and have a vacancy.

The bolded text statement above is not true


Georgia Southern MBB coach is not X2-X3 times KSU MBB coach's pay. Again that is not true. Abdur-Rahim base pay is 230K a year and he got a contract extension last year with a raise so his pay is now higher then 230K. With KSU going to the post season and CUSA, he will get a higher raise. Georgia Southern MBB head Coach gets payed 218K see link below. Again please SBC fans STOP saying false information regarding KSU.

GoSo BB Pay: https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/...er%20year.


He is not going to leave KSU for Georgia Southern. He would go to a P5

Kennesaw can afford $200k for basketball HC. This is not a false information.

The link doesnt tell me anything, I'm assuming that Georgia Southern (as a conference mate) is compensating somewhat close to Georgia State. Feel free to search Georgia State coaches' salaries (Ron Hunter, Rob Lanier, Jonas Hayes). GSU coaches most definitely have been compensated 2x 3x of Abdur Rahim.

(03-09-2023 07:25 PM)jones682 Wrote:  He is not going to leave KSU for Georgia Southern. He would go to a P5

This also is a warning sign that you don't watch college basketball in general. There's no such thing as P5 outside of FBS football.

(03-09-2023 07:59 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:25 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 05:15 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:13 AM)jones682 Wrote:  KSU has the all time record vs GSU in baseball so that is a mute point. "Very little to compare" KSU has been in D1 for almost 20 years

17-12 advantage in baseball doesn't nearly help your case as you think it does.

As for basketball, I don't understand this bragging bravado when this is literally Kennesaw's last 20 years in D1.


For the record, I like your current guy Coach Amir Abdur-Rahim, the man recruits Atlanta. You better not lose him to Georgia Southern where his pay will go at x2 or x3 what he's paid now at Kennesaw. They fired their coach today and have a vacancy.

The bolded text statement above is not true


Georgia Southern MBB coach is not X2-X3 times KSU MBB coach's pay. Again that is not true. Abdur-Rahim base pay is 230K a year and he got a contract extension last year with a raise so his pay is now higher then 230K. With KSU going to the post season and CUSA, he will get a higher raise. Georgia Southern MBB head Coach gets payed 218K see link below. Again please SBC fans STOP saying false information regarding KSU.

GoSo BB Pay: https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/...er%20year.


He is not going to leave KSU for Georgia Southern. He would go to a P5

Kennesaw can afford $200k for basketball HC. This is not a false information.

The link doesnt tell me anything, I'm assuming that Georgia Southern (as a conference mate) is compensating somewhat close to Georgia State. Feel free to search Georgia State coaches' salaries (Ron Hunter, Rob Lanier, Jonas Hayes). GSU coaches most definitely have been compensated 2x 3x of Abdur Rahim.

Why would anyone want to research Georgia STATE’s coaches salaries when you’re comparing Kennesaw to Georgia SOUTHERN? Wouldn’t you go looking for… ya know… Georgia SOUTHERN’s salaries? It would seem incredibly stupid to research Georgia State’s coaches pay when you want to know what GaSouthern’s is.

Open Payroll from ‘21 says Burg gets 230k a year which is close to what Abdur Rahim gets. That’s almost 380k less than what your head coach gets (per Open Payroll’s ‘21 report when Lanier was at the helm, and I’m sure Hayes pay isn’t down THAT bad).

https://openpayrolls.com/rank/highest-pa...university

Can’t find their official university fiscal year employee salary breakdown if someone finds it link it Im genuinely interested.

(03-09-2023 07:59 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:25 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 05:15 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:13 AM)jones682 Wrote:  KSU has the all time record vs GSU in baseball so that is a mute point. "Very little to compare" KSU has been in D1 for almost 20 years

17-12 advantage in baseball doesn't nearly help your case as you think it does.

As for basketball, I don't understand this bragging bravado when this is literally Kennesaw's last 20 years in D1.


For the record, I like your current guy Coach Amir Abdur-Rahim, the man recruits Atlanta. You better not lose him to Georgia Southern where his pay will go at x2 or x3 what he's paid now at Kennesaw. They fired their coach today and have a vacancy.

The bolded text statement above is not true


Georgia Southern MBB coach is not X2-X3 times KSU MBB coach's pay. Again that is not true. Abdur-Rahim base pay is 230K a year and he got a contract extension last year with a raise so his pay is now higher then 230K. With KSU going to the post season and CUSA, he will get a higher raise. Georgia Southern MBB head Coach gets payed 218K see link below. Again please SBC fans STOP saying false information regarding KSU.

GoSo BB Pay: https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/...er%20year.


He is not going to leave KSU for Georgia Southern. He would go to a P5

Kennesaw can afford $200k for basketball HC. This is not a false information.

The link doesnt tell me anything, I'm assuming that Georgia Southern (as a conference mate) is compensating somewhat close to Georgia State. Feel free to search Georgia State coaches' salaries (Ron Hunter, Rob Lanier, Jonas Hayes). GSU coaches most definitely have been compensated 2x 3x of Abdur Rahim.

The bolded text once again is false information because KSU basketball coach gets payed more than 230K a year. He got a contract extension along with a raise last year which puts him above 230K. His old contract had him a 230K by 2023 but since he received a new contract last year, he makes more than that. This does not take into acount the raise he will get this year for going to the post season and the raise he will get for going into C-USA. KSU coach get payed more than GS coach. It is what it is so just Shut up.

Please STOP talking about a school you clearly don't know anything about. This is known information if you do a google search.

PS: GSU should pay their coach more, GSU is a better basketball program.

(03-06-2023 01:57 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Hopefully someone takes Georgia St. and WKU can take their spot back in Sun Belt.

I thought WKU was waiting for a MAC invite.

(03-09-2023 08:49 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  ONly thing that matters is when is Ga ST. leaving so WKU can take their spot?

As soon as The AAC decides to call on them.

(03-10-2023 04:00 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 08:49 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  ONly thing that matters is when is Ga ST. leaving so WKU can take their spot?

As soon as The AAC decides to call on them.

You can take GSU. They will never win a AAC title and the will be dead weight in the conference just like they are in the SBC. The one sport they are good at (basketball) they will suck at in the AAC.

Early contender for thread of the year.

(03-09-2023 11:09 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:59 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:25 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 05:15 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:13 AM)jones682 Wrote:  KSU has the all time record vs GSU in baseball so that is a mute point. "Very little to compare" KSU has been in D1 for almost 20 years

17-12 advantage in baseball doesn't nearly help your case as you think it does.

As for basketball, I don't understand this bragging bravado when this is literally Kennesaw's last 20 years in D1.


For the record, I like your current guy Coach Amir Abdur-Rahim, the man recruits Atlanta. You better not lose him to Georgia Southern where his pay will go at x2 or x3 what he's paid now at Kennesaw. They fired their coach today and have a vacancy.

The bolded text statement above is not true


Georgia Southern MBB coach is not X2-X3 times KSU MBB coach's pay. Again that is not true. Abdur-Rahim base pay is 230K a year and he got a contract extension last year with a raise so his pay is now higher then 230K. With KSU going to the post season and CUSA, he will get a higher raise. Georgia Southern MBB head Coach gets payed 218K see link below. Again please SBC fans STOP saying false information regarding KSU.

GoSo BB Pay: https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/...er%20year.


He is not going to leave KSU for Georgia Southern. He would go to a P5

Kennesaw can afford $200k for basketball HC. This is not a false information.

The link doesnt tell me anything, I'm assuming that Georgia Southern (as a conference mate) is compensating somewhat close to Georgia State. Feel free to search Georgia State coaches' salaries (Ron Hunter, Rob Lanier, Jonas Hayes). GSU coaches most definitely have been compensated 2x 3x of Abdur Rahim.

The bolded text once again is false information because KSU basketball coach gets payed more than 230K a year. He got a contract extension along with a raise last year which puts him above 230K. His old contract had him a 230K by 2023 but since he received a new contract last year, he makes more than that. This does not take into acount the raise he will get this year for going to the post season and the raise he will get for going into C-USA. KSU coach get payed more than GS coach. It is what it is so just Shut up.

Please STOP talking about a school you clearly don't know anything about. This is known information if you do a google search.

PS: GSU should pay their coach more, GSU is a better basketball program.

So maybe I'm reading this wrong but from what I can tell you're saying the bold text that says "Kennesaw can afford..." is false. Then you say he makes more than 230k. I'm not great at math but I think that means y'all can afford it. Don't talk down on your school like that, y'all can afford 230k afterall!

(03-10-2023 09:51 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 11:09 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:59 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:25 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 05:15 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  17-12 advantage in baseball doesn't nearly help your case as you think it does.

As for basketball, I don't understand this bragging bravado when this is literally Kennesaw's last 20 years in D1.


For the record, I like your current guy Coach Amir Abdur-Rahim, the man recruits Atlanta. You better not lose him to Georgia Southern where his pay will go at x2 or x3 what he's paid now at Kennesaw. They fired their coach today and have a vacancy.

The bolded text statement above is not true


Georgia Southern MBB coach is not X2-X3 times KSU MBB coach's pay. Again that is not true. Abdur-Rahim base pay is 230K a year and he got a contract extension last year with a raise so his pay is now higher then 230K. With KSU going to the post season and CUSA, he will get a higher raise. Georgia Southern MBB head Coach gets payed 218K see link below. Again please SBC fans STOP saying false information regarding KSU.

GoSo BB Pay: https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/...er%20year.


He is not going to leave KSU for Georgia Southern. He would go to a P5

Kennesaw can afford $200k for basketball HC. This is not a false information.

The link doesnt tell me anything, I'm assuming that Georgia Southern (as a conference mate) is compensating somewhat close to Georgia State. Feel free to search Georgia State coaches' salaries (Ron Hunter, Rob Lanier, Jonas Hayes). GSU coaches most definitely have been compensated 2x 3x of Abdur Rahim.

The bolded text once again is false information because KSU basketball coach gets payed more than 230K a year. He got a contract extension along with a raise last year which puts him above 230K. His old contract had him a 230K by 2023 but since he received a new contract last year, he makes more than that. This does not take into acount the raise he will get this year for going to the post season and the raise he will get for going into C-USA. KSU coach get payed more than GS coach. It is what it is so just Shut up.

Please STOP talking about a school you clearly don't know anything about. This is known information if you do a google search.

PS: GSU should pay their coach more, GSU is a better basketball program.

So maybe I'm reading this wrong but from what I can tell you're saying the bold text that says "Kennesaw can afford..." is false. Then you say he makes more than 230k. I'm not great at math but I think that means y'all can afford it. Don't talk down on your school like that, y'all can afford 230k afterall!

He said: Kennesaw can afford $200k for basketball HC. This is not a false information.

Which means that Kennesaw can afford $200K cannot afford it because he said that the statement is "This is not a false information."

Anyone got a gun to put this thread down?

(03-10-2023 11:30 AM)jones682 Wrote:  The bolded text once again is false information because KSU basketball coach gets payed more than 230K a year.

He's a public employee with public record.


Let's say he's making $230k in 2023 as you say. You're going to die on this hill to defend petty $30k discrepancy? Is that meant to be a significant sum for ASUN fans?

Also, are we discussing the actual base contracts, or including all the bonus incentives + salaries padded via booster funds? I can certainly provide such supplemental disbursements from our side, and it won't help KSU's perspective. Be consistent in an argument. You cant use the base contract figure of some SBC coaches at your convenience, then attempt to add whatever incentive bonuses at Kennesaw.

btw, "paid" not "payed."