(03-06-2023 01:04 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(03-05-2023 02:28 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  Kansas would’ve been a good expansion candidate if their football had been good, or even mediocre. Suddenly Leipold has them respectable. If that continues, let’s say both the SEC and Big Tem are interested in 2030 or so. What would Kansas prefer? SEC gets them Mizzou and OU back, and allows them to continue to regularly get games in Texas. But the Big Ten gets them Nebraska, a Midwest centric conference, and exposure to big markets on both coasts. Which would the Jayhawks prefer?

I'm sure they'd prefer the SEC or Big 10, but by far the best fit would be the Big East. Top tier basketball for teams that don't play football competitively.

KU's QB Jalen Daniels is ranked the #1 QB in the B12 for next season... they won 6 games last year... they have some nice talent coming in... they're probably a 7-9 win team next year.

A bold move for the B1G would be to add KU and MIZZOU - would Mizzou leave the SEC for the B1G? Yes.

Secure a major rivalry, own KC and St Louis markets...

If UNC joins the B1G as expected creates a great rivalry game with KU.

B1G could add Colorado and Kansas and bring back the old Big 8 as a 4-team pod (CO, NE, MO, KS)

(03-06-2023 02:09 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  I grew up in Lawrence, a life-long Jayhawk fan...

...I don't know how to spell this out for people who have never been to Lawrence...

Lawrence has two High Schools.

Lawrence High School (of which I'm an alum), and Free State High School

FREE STATE HIGH SCHOOL

Lawrence was the western epi-center of the civil war, the town was sacked by raiders from Missouri shortly after its founding, and was a key player in Kansas becoming a free state...

... in other words...

KU has ZERO interest in joining the SEC. Maybe if shoved into a corner as a last resort, but as long as the B12 is viable they won't seek out the SEC.

KU as an institution has a lot more in common with fellow AAU schools that populate the B1G.

If the B1G came calling KU would join in an instant.

KU is only going to the B1G as team #24... the last AAU school to add after North Carolina (and probably Duke), Virginia, the West Coast group (WA, OR, STAN, CAL).


But KU is not joining the SEC.

I lived in KC for a quarter of a century. I am a graduate of KU. I can say without hesitation that if KU was fortunate enough to get an SEC invite, they are leaving in a heartbeat. Let's not act like KU is the largest prize out there in terms of realignment. We belong in a P2, but we need things to fall into place in order to get an invite. Freestate vs. Lawrence High has nothing to do with the widening gap between P2 vs. others.

I'm proud of our free state heritage, but KU is not turning down an SEC invite hoping for a B1G invite. The new SEC is not the old SEC. We would have instant familiarity with A&M/UT/OU/Mizzou. Arkansas is very close to Kansas.

Bottom line if you get a P2 invite, you don't walk, you run to secure your place.

If Kansas can choose, the Jayhawks want the Big Ten.

Isn't there a law that states Kansas and Kansas State must be in the same conference? Was that posted recently?

The challenge with Kansas is that every move going forward will offer larger population areas. It is hard to compete with Los Angeles as a market.

Just a thought... If the Big Ten added North Carolina, Duke, Connecticut and Kansas... Holy cow! UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, Michigan State, Duke, UNC, UConn... Try to figure out who is the top dog in that basketball conference.

(03-06-2023 03:06 PM)chess Wrote:  If Kansas can choose, the Jayhawks want the Big Ten.

Isn't there a law that states Kansas and Kansas State must be in the same conference? Was that posted recently?

The challenge with Kansas is that every move going forward will offer larger population areas. It is hard to compete with Los Angeles as a market.

Just a thought... If the Big Ten added North Carolina, Duke, Connecticut and Kansas... Holy cow! UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, Michigan State, Duke, UNC, UConn... Try to figure out who is the top dog in that basketball conference.

That's a 12-14 bid league if it happens. You'd have 10 of the top 20 in NET due to the SOS impacts.

(03-06-2023 02:16 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  A bold move for the B1G would be to add KU and MIZZOU - would Mizzou leave the SEC for the B1G? Yes.

Secure a major rivalry, own KC and St Louis markets...

If UNC joins the B1G as expected creates a great rivalry game with KU.

B1G could add Colorado and Kansas and bring back the old Big 8 as a 4-team pod (CO, NE, MO, KS)

(03-06-2023 03:06 PM)chess Wrote:  If Kansas can choose, the Jayhawks want the Big Ten.

Isn't there a law that states Kansas and Kansas State must be in the same conference? Was that posted recently?

The challenge with Kansas is that every move going forward will offer larger population areas. It is hard to compete with Los Angeles as a market.

Just a thought... If the Big Ten added North Carolina, Duke, Connecticut and Kansas... Holy cow! UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, Michigan State, Duke, UNC, UConn... Try to figure out who is the top dog in that basketball conference.

UConn is not AAU, but you could swap in VA in their place : )

(03-06-2023 03:06 PM)chess Wrote:  If Kansas can choose, the Jayhawks want the Big Ten.

Isn't there a law that states Kansas and Kansas State must be in the same conference? Was that posted recently?

The challenge with Kansas is that every move going forward will offer larger population areas. It is hard to compete with Los Angeles as a market.

Just a thought... If the Big Ten added North Carolina, Duke, Connecticut and Kansas... Holy cow! UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, Michigan State, Duke, UNC, UConn... Try to figure out who is the top dog in that basketball conference.

There is no law that states we have to be in the same conference.

We just need approval from the Kansas Board of Regents to move. This wasn't even caused by KU or K-State. It was because Wichita State moved conferences and didn't tell the Regents.

KBOR wouldn't stop KU from moving conferences to save K-State. If anything it'd be like the Cal/UCLA situation where we have to pay K-State money.

The more I've thought about it the past year or two, the more I feel Kansas would be a very good addition to the SEC. I would think Missouri would be pleased with the league's adding KU. And, as I have noted, I feel Missouri is a better fit for the SEC than many on this board — who counter by posting Missouri would be a significantly better fit for the Big Ten.

Regardless, the Kansas basketball program alone offers a valid reason for P2 invite consideration. Now whether that invite ever is issued ...

(03-06-2023 03:06 PM)chess Wrote:  Isn't there a law that states Kansas and Kansas State must be in the same conference?

No.

(03-05-2023 03:40 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Head: SEC

Heart: B1G

AD: SEC

President: Big 10

Well, the ideal KU situation would be that after the B1G and SEC breakaway that they merge (P1) and divide into 3 divisions.

South
West: LSU, ARK, ALA, AUB, MISS, MST
East: FL, UGU, KY, VY, SC, KY
Atl: FSU, Clem, VT, NCSt, LV, WVU

North:
East: ND, Pitt, RU, UMD, UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, MIA
MidW: PSU, OSU, UM, MSU, IU, PU, NU, IL, WI

West:
Central: UT, A&M, OU, KU, MO, CU, Neb, IU, MN
West: UW, UO, Cal, Furd, USC, UCLA, AZ, ASU, UU

(03-06-2023 02:09 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  I grew up in Lawrence, a life-long Jayhawk fan...

...I don't know how to spell this out for people who have never been to Lawrence...

Lawrence has two High Schools.

Lawrence High School (of which I'm an alum), and Free State High School

FREE STATE HIGH SCHOOL

Lawrence was the western epi-center of the civil war, the town was sacked by raiders from Missouri shortly after its founding, and was a key player in Kansas becoming a free state...

... in other words...

KU has ZERO interest in joining the SEC. Maybe if shoved into a corner as a last resort, but as long as the B12 is viable they won't seek out the SEC.

KU as an institution has a lot more in common with fellow AAU schools that populate the B1G.

If the B1G came calling KU would join in an instant.

KU is only going to the B1G as team #24... the last AAU school to add after North Carolina (and probably Duke), Virginia, the West Coast group (WA, OR, STAN, CAL).


But KU is not joining the SEC.

Source that KU has no interest in the SEC?

The Civil War was over a FEW years ago I understand. What happened then has no relation to athletic conferences today. Are you anti-British because of the Revolutionary War and advocate speaking a language other than English? Remember we "shared" a conference with hated Missouri from 1907 (1907!!) until 2012. Simple math shows that was over 100 years!!! And, remember we were also conference mates with Texas/Texas A&M for over 20 years as well.

I hardly think the name of a high school in Lawrence means KU has no interest in the SEC. I'm not sure of what assumptions you have to make to come to the conclusion that what the Board of Education of Lawrence naming a high school has to do with the the interests of KU as to athletic conferences.

I have little doubt that IF the SEC invites KU before the B1G (and the invitation of either, not to mention both, is highly speculative) KU would accept immediately (and I would think it would be "malpractice" for Dr. Girod to do otherwise).

P.S. I lived in Lawrence for many years and have 3 degrees from KU, not that it really matters to this discussion but since you brought it up.

(03-05-2023 02:28 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  Kansas would’ve been a good expansion candidate if their football had been good, or even mediocre. Suddenly Leipold has them respectable. If that continues, let’s say both the SEC and Big Tem are interested in 2030 or so. What would Kansas prefer? SEC gets them Mizzou and OU back, and allows them to continue to regularly get games in Texas. But the Big Ten gets them Nebraska, a Midwest centric conference, and exposure to big markets on both coasts. Which would the Jayhawks prefer?

Well IMO the perfect conference for them would be the SEC pairing them back up with their arch nemesis Missouri. I look at the SEC becoming a monster mega conference where they have two schools per conference minus Missouri, Kansas, Arkansas, LSU. Everyone else talking conference states would have two schools each.

In alphabetical order by state school and residing members as followed.

Alabama / Auburn
Arkansas
Florida / FSU
Georgia / Georgia Tech
Kansas
Kentucky / Louisville
LSU
Mississippi ( State ) / Ole Miss
Missouri
Oklahoma / Oklahoma State
South Carolina / Clemson
Tennessee / Vanderbilt
Texas / Texas A&M

I would add North Carolina and Duke, but I have a feeling they don’t want to leave their brethren state schools. As for Virginia they co-inside with Carolina schools to much to leave as well meaning Virginia Tech does what they’re told basically. So the ACC wouldn’t die off as some think it would with teams leaving for the SEC. As you can see as followed the ACC will be just fine.

UNC, Duke, NC St, Wake, Virginia, VT, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Miami, UCF, Notre Dame.

As you can see I have Notre Dame joining the ACC to be their new King Pin of the conference with the other schools who left to join the SEC. This way it guarantees them a position within the playoffs and with home field advantage. Also the ACC could add teams like Temple and South Florida. And if it’s absolutely necessary to add states back into the fold with Georgia and South Carolina then I guess the ACC could look at Georgia State and Coastal Carolina, but I think academic snobs would vote against them.

I know I took a little detour from the topic, but you get the gist of what I’m saying.

(03-06-2023 07:53 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-05-2023 02:28 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  Kansas would’ve been a good expansion candidate if their football had been good, or even mediocre. Suddenly Leipold has them respectable. If that continues, let’s say both the SEC and Big Tem are interested in 2030 or so. What would Kansas prefer? SEC gets them Mizzou and OU back, and allows them to continue to regularly get games in Texas. But the Big Ten gets them Nebraska, a Midwest centric conference, and exposure to big markets on both coasts. Which would the Jayhawks prefer?

Well IMO the perfect conference for them would be the SEC pairing them back up with their arch nemesis Missouri. I look at the SEC becoming a monster mega conference where they have two schools per conference minus Missouri, Kansas, Arkansas, LSU. Everyone else talking conference states would have two schools each.

In alphabetical order by state school and residing members as followed.

Alabama / Auburn
Arkansas
Florida / FSU
Georgia / Georgia Tech
Kansas
Kentucky / Louisville
LSU
Mississippi ( State ) / Ole Miss
Missouri
Oklahoma / Oklahoma State
South Carolina / Clemson
Tennessee / Vanderbilt
Texas / Texas A&M

I would add North Carolina and Duke, but I have a feeling they don’t want to leave their brethren state schools. As for Virginia they co-inside with Carolina schools to much to leave as well meaning Virginia Tech does what they’re told basically. So the ACC wouldn’t die off as some think it would with teams leaving for the SEC. As you can see as followed the ACC will be just fine.

UNC, Duke, NC St, Wake, Virginia, VT, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Miami, UCF, Notre Dame.

As you can see I have Notre Dame joining the ACC to be their new King Pin of the conference with the other schools who left to join the SEC. This way it guarantees them a position within the playoffs and with home field advantage. Also the ACC could add teams like Temple and South Florida. And if it’s absolutely necessary to add states back into the fold with Georgia and South Carolina then I guess the ACC could look at Georgia State and Coastal Carolina, but I think academic snobs would vote against them.

I know I took a little detour from the topic, but you get the gist of what I’m saying.

9 pairs and 4 individual = 22 schools.

You could easily add NC and NC state (or Duke) to that, for 24.

And you could swap in VT as well - for Louisville, if Kentucky balks, or for Kansas if they get a Big10 invite instead.

(03-05-2023 03:32 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  Big 10 would be the best match for KU. JAYHAWKS being in the Confederacy Conference would be an awful fit.

Gotta just let it go...there is no confederacy. We are a bunch of red states now, just like Kansas.

As someone else posted KU would not walk but run to the BIG or the SEC. They are a national basketball brand and by far the biggest brand not in a P2 as JREC mentioned. I can see them landing in either conference in the future but not today or tomorrow.

Allen Fieldhouse, the premier venue in college basketball, will soon undergo a series of upgrades that will profoundly enhance the fan experience and equip the most historic arena in the country with state-of-the-art amenities.

https://kuathletics.com/historic-allen-f...novations/

(03-08-2023 06:00 PM)Rockchalkchihawk Wrote:  Allen Fieldhouse, the premier venue in college basketball, will soon undergo a series of upgrades that will profoundly enhance the fan experience and equip the most historic arena in the country with state-of-the-art amenities.

https://kuathletics.com/historic-allen-f...novations/

That and the stadium renovation are going to be amazing.

For everyone the ideal conference is the SEC or B1G.

For KU, looking at rivals rather than money, probably the SEC to restart that border war with Missouri, reunite with Oklahoma and Texas, especially if they keep K State as an OOC rivalry game. It would also be excellent for hoops with the same schools, Kentucky and the depth of the SEC. The Big 12 is fine as well with some excellent hoops schools as well, and possibly getting even stronger should the likes of Arizona and/or Gonzaga come on board.

There would be no complaint about the B1G, although KU is not a great lakes schools and only Nebraska sort of qualifies as a rival.