(03-08-2023 12:03 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 11:48 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 11:32 AM)e-parade Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 11:24 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 10:41 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  James Madison was a special case. They had a standing SBC invitation and they chose to take it. The SBC has made it perfectly clear that the days of handing out invites to FCS level teams are over.

(03-08-2023 10:46 AM)e-parade Wrote:  To be fair, JMU wasn't a "typical" FCS team. They were basically operating at a lower FBS level for years leading up to that (the same can be said for certain Dakota schools as well). The main difference is the geography - they had the perfect geography to go along with their performance.

Oh, I see.

You meant the SB isn't an entry level conference except for this year when they were an entry level conference, because. . . specialness.

Why didn't you just say that?

They never do it, except for when they do it. Like they just did.

But, you know, it was special. So never(???) again? Ever? Like, ever ever?

It wasn't my statement, I was just commenting on the quality of JMU. But also, the statement was:

Quote:...just like the SunBelt is no longer an entry level FBS conference

Which implies that it was at one point. That point could very fairly be meant as "they've now done it for the last time and won't be repeating the process."

Ever?

Again, not my original statement. I'll let him defend what he meant there.

I'm taking it to mean: with the current membership, they are no longer an FCS -> FBS conference.

So if they lose teams, say to the AAC or something, then maybe they'd consider it, but if the membership stays as it is they will not.


C-USA or the MAC, on the other hand, might be willing if the right team applied (say a Delaware or something).

The SBC will be looking at the FCS if teams are needed in the future.

(03-10-2023 11:21 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 12:03 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 11:48 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 11:32 AM)e-parade Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 11:24 AM)inutech Wrote:  Oh, I see.

You meant the SB isn't an entry level conference except for this year when they were an entry level conference, because. . . specialness.

Why didn't you just say that?

They never do it, except for when they do it. Like they just did.

But, you know, it was special. So never(???) again? Ever? Like, ever ever?

It wasn't my statement, I was just commenting on the quality of JMU. But also, the statement was:

Quote:...just like the SunBelt is no longer an entry level FBS conference

Which implies that it was at one point. That point could very fairly be meant as "they've now done it for the last time and won't be repeating the process."

Ever?

Again, not my original statement. I'll let him defend what he meant there.

I'm taking it to mean: with the current membership, they are no longer an FCS -> FBS conference.

So if they lose teams, say to the AAC or something, then maybe they'd consider it, but if the membership stays as it is they will not.


C-USA or the MAC, on the other hand, might be willing if the right team applied (say a Delaware or something).

The SBC will be looking at the FCS if teams are needed in the future.

How so? LaTech was desperate to join the SBC for one, and , if the SBC moves quickly, I'm sure they can land WKU as well. Would love to have Liberty, but the presidents don't like them for some reason. Really a shame. But still, the SBC isn't hurting for teams. C-USA, on the other hand, is hurting for teams if anyone defects, IMO

(03-11-2023 03:48 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 11:21 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 12:03 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 11:48 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 11:32 AM)e-parade Wrote:  It wasn't my statement, I was just commenting on the quality of JMU. But also, the statement was:


Which implies that it was at one point. That point could very fairly be meant as "they've now done it for the last time and won't be repeating the process."

Ever?

Again, not my original statement. I'll let him defend what he meant there.

I'm taking it to mean: with the current membership, they are no longer an FCS -> FBS conference.

So if they lose teams, say to the AAC or something, then maybe they'd consider it, but if the membership stays as it is they will not.


C-USA or the MAC, on the other hand, might be willing if the right team applied (say a Delaware or something).

The SBC will be looking at the FCS if teams are needed in the future.

How so? LaTech was desperate to join the SBC for one, and , if the SBC moves quickly, I'm sure they can land WKU as well. Would love to have Liberty, but the presidents don't like them for some reason. Really a shame. But still, the SBC isn't hurting for teams. C-USA, on the other hand, is hurting for teams if anyone defects, IMO

I think if SBC would do is pass on teams that are outside of their footprint which WKU is, or triple down in a state like Louisiana, Alabama or Georgia unless one of the SBC schools from each state get invited to another conference. That practically leaves out all the C-USA schools. I don't include Middle Tenn State since they are eyeing AAC to replace Memphis.

But, I do see people in this thread overestemate FCS schools big time. Coastal Carolina did not deserved to be FBS since they were not truely tested in football. After joining FBS? They were a threat to get the NY 6 bowl game. Chattanooga, Central Arkansas, Lamar, Missouri State, Jackson State, North Carolina A&T, UNA, Lindenwood, APSU, ACU, SFAU, Northern Iowa, EKU, etc all could be a threat to get a NY 6 bowl if they get a chance to move up. They are no different than Coastal Carolina.

(03-10-2023 09:31 AM)Boots Wrote:  I can't imagine Big East teams leaving for the Big 12. Unless it is a major financial boost.

They are already one of the top basketball leagues with likeminded schools and geographical proximity. Basketball is king in the Big East....not quite sure I see the advantage for those schools.

$$$$

For a school only making $5-6 mil a year on their TV deal, $9-10 mil is a huge increase…if the Big 12 (FOX) can offer that.

But this likely hinges on the next Big East TV deal. I have a hard time seeing a significant increase for the Big East from what they currently get. While I’m sure both would like to have them for inventory purposes neither FOX nor ESPN NEEDS the Big East like FOX did the last time around.

(03-08-2023 11:48 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 11:32 AM)e-parade Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 11:24 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 10:41 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 10:07 AM)inutech Wrote:  Didn't an FCS team "enter" the FBS level in the SB, oh, round 'bout THIS YEAR!?

James Madison was a special case. They had a standing SBC invitation and they chose to take it. The SBC has made it perfectly clear that the days of handing out invites to FCS level teams are over.

(03-08-2023 10:46 AM)e-parade Wrote:  To be fair, JMU wasn't a "typical" FCS team. They were basically operating at a lower FBS level for years leading up to that (the same can be said for certain Dakota schools as well). The main difference is the geography - they had the perfect geography to go along with their performance.

Oh, I see.

You meant the SB isn't an entry level conference except for this year when they were an entry level conference, because. . . specialness.

Why didn't you just say that?

They never do it, except for when they do it. Like they just did.

But, you know, it was special. So never(???) again? Ever? Like, ever ever?

It wasn't my statement, I was just commenting on the quality of JMU. But also, the statement was:

Quote:...just like the SunBelt is no longer an entry level FBS conference

Which implies that it was at one point. That point could very fairly be meant as "they've now done it for the last time and won't be repeating the process."

Ever?

There are no east coast or Texas schools that would warrant it.

(03-11-2023 08:32 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 09:31 AM)Boots Wrote:  I can't imagine Big East teams leaving for the Big 12. Unless it is a major financial boost.

They are already one of the top basketball leagues with likeminded schools and geographical proximity. Basketball is king in the Big East....not quite sure I see the advantage for those schools.

$$$$

For a school only making $5-6 mil a year on their TV deal, $9-10 mil is a huge increase…if the Big 12 (FOX) can offer that.

But this likely hinges on the next Big East TV deal. I have a hard time seeing a significant increase for the Big East from what they currently get. While I’m sure both would like to have them for inventory purposes neither FOX nor ESPN NEEDS the Big East like FOX did the last time around.

Agreed. Big East, while a great BB conference, doesn’t bring in the viewers. Their next media deal will reflect this.

(03-11-2023 08:32 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 09:31 AM)Boots Wrote:  I can't imagine Big East teams leaving for the Big 12. Unless it is a major financial boost.

They are already one of the top basketball leagues with likeminded schools and geographical proximity. Basketball is king in the Big East....not quite sure I see the advantage for those schools.

$$$$

For a school only making $5-6 mil a year on their TV deal, $9-10 mil is a huge increase…if the Big 12 (FOX) can offer that.

But this likely hinges on the next Big East TV deal. I have a hard time seeing a significant increase for the Big East from what they currently get. While I’m sure both would like to have them for inventory purposes neither FOX nor ESPN NEEDS the Big East like FOX did the last time around.

Big East fills up a ton of time on FS1 - if Fox doesn't resign the conference, what will take all the time slots? I think Fox needs the games. Also isn't Big 10 leaving ESPN - won't that create open slots? Other benefit of the Big East - teams in the NE - not a lot of college hoops inventory relevant in NY, Philly or DC outside of Big East

(03-11-2023 09:52 AM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 08:32 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 09:31 AM)Boots Wrote:  I can't imagine Big East teams leaving for the Big 12. Unless it is a major financial boost.

They are already one of the top basketball leagues with likeminded schools and geographical proximity. Basketball is king in the Big East....not quite sure I see the advantage for those schools.

$$$$

For a school only making $5-6 mil a year on their TV deal, $9-10 mil is a huge increase…if the Big 12 (FOX) can offer that.

But this likely hinges on the next Big East TV deal. I have a hard time seeing a significant increase for the Big East from what they currently get. While I’m sure both would like to have them for inventory purposes neither FOX nor ESPN NEEDS the Big East like FOX did the last time around.

Big East fills up a ton of time on FS1 - if Fox doesn't resign the conference, what will take all the time slots? I think Fox needs the games. Also isn't Big 10 leaving ESPN - won't that create open slots? Other benefit of the Big East - teams in the NE - not a lot of college hoops inventory relevant in NY, Philly or DC outside of Big East

FOX is picking up both Big Ten and Big 12 games. So yes, ESPN will likely need inventory but they have the SEC, ACC, AAC, and on down so they likely aren’t going to forking over big money for the big East if we’re being honest.

(03-11-2023 09:47 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 08:32 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 09:31 AM)Boots Wrote:  I can't imagine Big East teams leaving for the Big 12. Unless it is a major financial boost.

They are already one of the top basketball leagues with likeminded schools and geographical proximity. Basketball is king in the Big East....not quite sure I see the advantage for those schools.

$$$$

For a school only making $5-6 mil a year on their TV deal, $9-10 mil is a huge increase…if the Big 12 (FOX) can offer that.

But this likely hinges on the next Big East TV deal. I have a hard time seeing a significant increase for the Big East from what they currently get. While I’m sure both would like to have them for inventory purposes neither FOX nor ESPN NEEDS the Big East like FOX did the last time around.

Agreed. Big East, while a great BB conference, doesn’t bring in the viewers. Their next media deal will reflect this.

Interesting, I just read a BE article that speculated Fox would renew their BE media deal in the $8+ range in 2026. That might get the attention of schools like Temple & Memphis who could then afford to find another place to play FB.

(03-11-2023 12:13 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 09:47 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 08:32 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 09:31 AM)Boots Wrote:  I can't imagine Big East teams leaving for the Big 12. Unless it is a major financial boost.

They are already one of the top basketball leagues with likeminded schools and geographical proximity. Basketball is king in the Big East....not quite sure I see the advantage for those schools.

$$$$

For a school only making $5-6 mil a year on their TV deal, $9-10 mil is a huge increase…if the Big 12 (FOX) can offer that.

But this likely hinges on the next Big East TV deal. I have a hard time seeing a significant increase for the Big East from what they currently get. While I’m sure both would like to have them for inventory purposes neither FOX nor ESPN NEEDS the Big East like FOX did the last time around.

Agreed. Big East, while a great BB conference, doesn’t bring in the viewers. Their next media deal will reflect this.

Interesting, I just read a BE article that speculated Fox would renew their BE media deal in the $8+ range in 2026. That might get the attention of schools like Temple & Memphis who could then afford to find another place to play FB.

The Big East is not going to invite Temple and Memphis, Atlanta. There will be no interest from the BE (who knows, say, 20 years from now?). And as long as Temple and Memphis are in an all-sports AAC that has access to the CFP, they will not be interested in the Big East. There is not a viable "other place" for Memphis and Temple football. Memphis and Temple are "stuck."

I'm a Memphis fan. We have to look at this realistically.

(03-11-2023 12:13 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 09:47 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(03-11-2023 08:32 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-10-2023 09:31 AM)Boots Wrote:  I can't imagine Big East teams leaving for the Big 12. Unless it is a major financial boost.

They are already one of the top basketball leagues with likeminded schools and geographical proximity. Basketball is king in the Big East....not quite sure I see the advantage for those schools.

$$$$

For a school only making $5-6 mil a year on their TV deal, $9-10 mil is a huge increase…if the Big 12 (FOX) can offer that.

But this likely hinges on the next Big East TV deal. I have a hard time seeing a significant increase for the Big East from what they currently get. While I’m sure both would like to have them for inventory purposes neither FOX nor ESPN NEEDS the Big East like FOX did the last time around.

Agreed. Big East, while a great BB conference, doesn’t bring in the viewers. Their next media deal will reflect this.

Interesting, I just read a BE article that speculated Fox would renew their BE media deal in the $8+ range in 2026. That might get the attention of schools like Temple & Memphis who could then afford to find another place to play FB.

The Big East is probably the most underpaid conference for basketball ratings (they only make $4 mil/school). That's likely to be $8 mil/school in the next contract.