(06-02-2023 11:53 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 10:56 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:42 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 09:23 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 03:25 PM)Johns1124 Wrote:  

C-USA is better then SBC at all sports except football and C-USA is not that far behind SBC in football. Once C-USA surpass SBC in football, it is a wrap. Perception is bigger than reality. The SBC is looked at as a better conference because they had the brake out COVID year, which gave then exposure. They are 11 football teams in their conference that are below average to average, not good or poor at football. Again, perception is bigger than reality.

Teams Football Score (Over the past 5 years)

App State: Good
JMU: Good
UL: Good
Coastal: Average (Not consistent)
Marshall: Average (Not consistent at times)
ODU: Average (Not consistent)
Georgia Southern: Below Average
USM: Below Average
Tory: Below Average (Had a good year last year but the last 5 years have not been good since Brown left for WVU)
USA: Below Average
Texas State: Not Good
Georgia State: Not Good
ASU: Not Good
ULM: Poor

Too many below average, not good and poor teams and will bloat your conference. This is the same thing that happen to C-USA. C-USA is doing what the SBC did 5 years ago and the SBC is doing what C-USA did 5 years ago.

Sunbelt baseball is ahead of CUSA too.

For now, it will not be in the next 2 years.

What, are you anticipating teams leaving the SBC? They’ve got four NCAA teams this year. Not saying CUSA will be bad, in fact I think it’ll be a fine baseball conference, but ULL, CCU, USM, USA, ect. elevate the Sunbelt in a way that I’m not sure is obtainable for this group of schools. It may be a bit top heavy but it’s a good baseball conference. I’d love to see what SHSU would do in it, and I’m sure other CUSA fans feel the same.

Let’s hope DBU continues to be a strong team, and that the additions of Liberty, SHSU and NMSU allow CUSA to retain a position in the 7-10 range in baseball rpi. I think that’s more reasonable.

SHSU, KSU, LU, DBU, LT, JSU, FIU are all great baseball programs and can beat any of the programs you mentioned.

(06-02-2023 12:45 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  SBC posters please depart. You should also ask C-USA posters to depart your board and/or call them out by name here. (Unless there is a very good specific reason for visiting) JMHO.

I'm the opposite. All CUSA posters are invited to engage in rigorous discourse over on the SBC board in my view.

Obviously, we have to follow the ToS and good posting etiquette, but the purpose of message boards is to debate and banter.

Bring over the discussion, we are discussing the CUSA rebrand. I think every SBC school and admin should play close attention to what CUSA does. One of the better bosses i've had taught me about paying attention not only to the companies (and employees at your firm) above you, but also, and maybe more so the ones directly below you. They are the ones jockeying for position to take your place in the business hierarchy.

Anyway, mostly i'm bored at work.

(06-02-2023 01:34 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 01:05 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 12:45 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  SBC posters please depart. You should also ask C-USA posters to depart your board and/or call them out by name here. (Unless there is a very good specific reason for visiting) JMHO.

Oh geez. It's the off-season and most posters see the same dynamic between two ~peer conferences as they do with rival teams within a conference. I don't see anything posted here by SBC fans or anything on the SBC board by CUSA fans that is untoward but maybe I am not as sensitive as some.

Seriously? There’s 2 pages of posts about the CUSA rebrand on the CUSA Board. There’s 7 pages on the SBC Board about THE CUSA REBRAND. That being called out doesn’t have anything to do with being over sensitive, it’s just strange. And it doesn’t matter if it’s the off season or not, it’s a continuous thing with many of you. You don’t find anything strange about that? Admit it or not, there’s an obsession with CUSA by many of you SBC guys that’s beyond normal banter.

It takes a lot to sale an untruth. I will give them baseball but football isnt better in the SBC but they continue to try to make theirselves believe it true.

(06-02-2023 02:55 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 12:45 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  SBC posters please depart. You should also ask C-USA posters to depart your board and/or call them out by name here. (Unless there is a very good specific reason for visiting) JMHO.

I'm the opposite. All CUSA posters are invited to engage in rigorous discourse over on the SBC board in my view.

Obviously, we have to follow the ToS and good posting etiquette, but the purpose of message boards is to debate and banter.

Bring over the discussion, we are discussing the CUSA rebrand. I think every SBC school and admin should play close attention to what CUSA does. One of the better bosses i've had taught me about paying attention not only to the companies (and employees at your firm) above you, but also, and maybe more so the ones directly below you. They are the ones jockeying for position to take your place in the business hierarchy.

Anyway, mostly i'm bored at work.

Lower? A couple hundred thousand to a million more in TV revenue doesn’t exactly make you any better. I will admit your conference is more regional but that’s the only real difference from Sun Belt to CUSA. In fact I think the MWC makes about 5 million. And UNM isn’t exactly a powerhouse brand. And you’re below that.

(06-02-2023 01:41 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 11:53 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 10:56 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:42 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 09:23 PM)jones682 Wrote:  C-USA is better then SBC at all sports except football and C-USA is not that far behind SBC in football. Once C-USA surpass SBC in football, it is a wrap. Perception is bigger than reality. The SBC is looked at as a better conference because they had the brake out COVID year, which gave then exposure. They are 11 football teams in their conference that are below average to average, not good or poor at football. Again, perception is bigger than reality.

Teams Football Score (Over the past 5 years)

App State: Good
JMU: Good
UL: Good
Coastal: Average (Not consistent)
Marshall: Average (Not consistent at times)
ODU: Average (Not consistent)
Georgia Southern: Below Average
USM: Below Average
Tory: Below Average (Had a good year last year but the last 5 years have not been good since Brown left for WVU)
USA: Below Average
Texas State: Not Good
Georgia State: Not Good
ASU: Not Good
ULM: Poor

Too many below average, not good and poor teams and will bloat your conference. This is the same thing that happen to C-USA. C-USA is doing what the SBC did 5 years ago and the SBC is doing what C-USA did 5 years ago.

Sunbelt baseball is ahead of CUSA too.

For now, it will not be in the next 2 years.

What, are you anticipating teams leaving the SBC? They’ve got four NCAA teams this year. Not saying CUSA will be bad, in fact I think it’ll be a fine baseball conference, but ULL, CCU, USM, USA, ect. elevate the Sunbelt in a way that I’m not sure is obtainable for this group of schools. It may be a bit top heavy but it’s a good baseball conference. I’d love to see what SHSU would do in it, and I’m sure other CUSA fans feel the same.

Let’s hope DBU continues to be a strong team, and that the additions of Liberty, SHSU and NMSU allow CUSA to retain a position in the 7-10 range in baseball rpi. I think that’s more reasonable.

SHSU, KSU, LU, DBU, LT, JSU, FIU are all great baseball programs and can beat any of the programs you mentioned.

I fully believe in supporting our partner universities in C-USA and having intelligent dialogue about how we compare favorably to peer conferences. But when someone says something like 'FIU is a great baseball program and implies that they're better than a handful of Sun Belt teams who typically pull in 2K+/game attendance figures and make regular appearances in the NCAA baseball tournament,' then our argument and level of intelligence has gone completely off the rails.

Have you even looked at what FIU has done in baseball the last ten years? Since I can tell you haven't please review as follows: two years with a record above .500, and one NCAA tournament appearance in a year where they had a losing record but snuck up and won the C-USA tournament for the autobid. The fact is, FIU can barely compete with other C-USA schools much less the upper tier of Sun Belt.

Let's support, but not be silly.

(06-02-2023 02:55 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 12:45 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  SBC posters please depart. You should also ask C-USA posters to depart your board and/or call them out by name here. (Unless there is a very good specific reason for visiting) JMHO.

I'm the opposite. All CUSA posters are invited to engage in rigorous discourse over on the SBC board in my view.

Obviously, we have to follow the ToS and good posting etiquette, but the purpose of message boards is to debate and banter.

Bring over the discussion, we are discussing the CUSA rebrand. I think every SBC school and admin should play close attention to what CUSA does. One of the better bosses i've had taught me about paying attention not only to the companies (and employees at your firm) above you, but also, and maybe more so the ones directly below you. They are the ones jockeying for position to take your place in the business hierarchy.

Anyway, mostly i'm bored at work.

"below you"??

Did you forget already?

2021 Boca Raton Bowl

WKU 59 (And we could have easily scored more)

App 38

2022 New Orleans Bowl

WKU 44

S. Alabama 23

**We were the second or third best team in C-USA those years yet convincingly beat both SBC teams.

Only two sports that matter are basketball and football. Baseball is equivalent to volleyball or track and field. The Sunbelt fans might as well be bragging about their wrestling teams when they talk about baseball. Currently CUSA is better in basketball and Sunbelt is better in football. The gap is much larger in in basketball though.

Let’s face it. 7 pages about CUSA. Come on it reeks of fear

(06-02-2023 07:55 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  Only two sports that matter are basketball and football. Baseball is equivalent to volleyball or track and field. The Sunbelt fans might as well be bragging about their wrestling teams when they talk about baseball. Currently CUSA is better in basketball and Sunbelt is better in football. The gap is much larger in in basketball though.

I mean, I get a MT fan not thinking baseball is important.

(06-02-2023 08:02 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Let’s face it. 7 pages about CUSA. Come on it reeks of fear

LOL

(06-02-2023 06:09 PM)bigbelly Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 01:41 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 11:53 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 10:56 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:42 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Sunbelt baseball is ahead of CUSA too.

For now, it will not be in the next 2 years.

What, are you anticipating teams leaving the SBC? They’ve got four NCAA teams this year. Not saying CUSA will be bad, in fact I think it’ll be a fine baseball conference, but ULL, CCU, USM, USA, ect. elevate the Sunbelt in a way that I’m not sure is obtainable for this group of schools. It may be a bit top heavy but it’s a good baseball conference. I’d love to see what SHSU would do in it, and I’m sure other CUSA fans feel the same.

Let’s hope DBU continues to be a strong team, and that the additions of Liberty, SHSU and NMSU allow CUSA to retain a position in the 7-10 range in baseball rpi. I think that’s more reasonable.

SHSU, KSU, LU, DBU, LT, JSU, FIU are all great baseball programs and can beat any of the programs you mentioned.

I fully believe in supporting our partner universities in C-USA and having intelligent dialogue about how we compare favorably to peer conferences. But when someone says something like 'FIU is a great baseball program and implies that they're better than a handful of Sun Belt teams who typically pull in 2K+/game attendance figures and make regular appearances in the NCAA baseball tournament,' then our argument and level of intelligence has gone completely off the rails.

Have you even looked at what FIU has done in baseball the last ten years? Since I can tell you haven't please review as follows: two years with a record above .500, and one NCAA tournament appearance in a year where they had a losing record but snuck up and won the C-USA tournament for the autobid. The fact is, FIU can barely compete with other C-USA schools much less the upper tier of Sun Belt.

Let's support, but not be silly.

Just trying to give FIU some love. They don't get talked enough.

People who don’t have CUSA on their mind don’t dedicate 7 pages to it. Sorry

I am sorry it’s now 8. How sad

(06-02-2023 01:05 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 12:45 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  SBC posters please depart. You should also ask C-USA posters to depart your board and/or call them out by name here. (Unless there is a very good specific reason for visiting) JMHO.

Oh geez. It's the off-season and most posters see the same dynamic between two ~peer conferences as they do with rival teams within a conference. I don't see anything posted here by SBC fans or anything on the SBC board by CUSA fans that is untoward but maybe I am not as sensitive as some.

You don't see posts that have been unapproved.

Respectful guests are always welcome, more often than not Sun Belters here(and CUSA posters there) are coming to troll.

(06-02-2023 09:31 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  I am sorry it’s now 8. How sad

They love me. They really love me!
It's a good discussion, if you had ANYTHING intelligent to add, you might join in.

(06-02-2023 10:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 01:05 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 12:45 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  SBC posters please depart. You should also ask C-USA posters to depart your board and/or call them out by name here. (Unless there is a very good specific reason for visiting) JMHO.

Oh geez. It's the off-season and most posters see the same dynamic between two ~peer conferences as they do with rival teams within a conference. I don't see anything posted here by SBC fans or anything on the SBC board by CUSA fans that is untoward but maybe I am not as sensitive as some.

You don't see posts that have been unapproved.

Respectful guests are always welcome, more often than not Sun Belters here(and CUSA posters there) are coming to troll.

(06-02-2023 01:41 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 11:53 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 10:56 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:42 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 09:23 PM)jones682 Wrote:  C-USA is better then SBC at all sports except football and C-USA is not that far behind SBC in football. Once C-USA surpass SBC in football, it is a wrap. Perception is bigger than reality. The SBC is looked at as a better conference because they had the brake out COVID year, which gave then exposure. They are 11 football teams in their conference that are below average to average, not good or poor at football. Again, perception is bigger than reality.

Teams Football Score (Over the past 5 years)

App State: Good
JMU: Good
UL: Good
Coastal: Average (Not consistent)
Marshall: Average (Not consistent at times)
ODU: Average (Not consistent)
Georgia Southern: Below Average
USM: Below Average
Tory: Below Average (Had a good year last year but the last 5 years have not been good since Brown left for WVU)
USA: Below Average
Texas State: Not Good
Georgia State: Not Good
ASU: Not Good
ULM: Poor

Too many below average, not good and poor teams and will bloat your conference. This is the same thing that happen to C-USA. C-USA is doing what the SBC did 5 years ago and the SBC is doing what C-USA did 5 years ago.

Sunbelt baseball is ahead of CUSA too.

For now, it will not be in the next 2 years.

What, are you anticipating teams leaving the SBC? They’ve got four NCAA teams this year. Not saying CUSA will be bad, in fact I think it’ll be a fine baseball conference, but ULL, CCU, USM, USA, ect. elevate the Sunbelt in a way that I’m not sure is obtainable for this group of schools. It may be a bit top heavy but it’s a good baseball conference. I’d love to see what SHSU would do in it, and I’m sure other CUSA fans feel the same.

Let’s hope DBU continues to be a strong team, and that the additions of Liberty, SHSU and NMSU allow CUSA to retain a position in the 7-10 range in baseball rpi. I think that’s more reasonable.

SHSU, KSU, LU, DBU, LT, JSU, FIU are all great baseball programs and can beat any of the programs you mentioned.

No disrespect but I’m not going to call KSU, JSU or FIU “great baseball programs” with their combined 13 NCAA appearances and 1 regional win this century. Head-to-head I hope the conference is able to win some games against Belt schools, but looking at the programs in each conference as a whole and the baseball consistency from a few different SBC schools, there’s no way you can think that it’ll take just “two years to pass them in baseball”. Just like our hoops are well ahead of their’s, it’s okay to admit that their baseball is way ahead of ours.

And get this Jones: none of that means CUSA will be a bad baseball conference.

(06-03-2023 10:50 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 01:41 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 11:53 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 10:56 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:42 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Sunbelt baseball is ahead of CUSA too.

For now, it will not be in the next 2 years.

What, are you anticipating teams leaving the SBC? They’ve got four NCAA teams this year. Not saying CUSA will be bad, in fact I think it’ll be a fine baseball conference, but ULL, CCU, USM, USA, ect. elevate the Sunbelt in a way that I’m not sure is obtainable for this group of schools. It may be a bit top heavy but it’s a good baseball conference. I’d love to see what SHSU would do in it, and I’m sure other CUSA fans feel the same.

Let’s hope DBU continues to be a strong team, and that the additions of Liberty, SHSU and NMSU allow CUSA to retain a position in the 7-10 range in baseball rpi. I think that’s more reasonable.

SHSU, KSU, LU, DBU, LT, JSU, FIU are all great baseball programs and can beat any of the programs you mentioned.

No disrespect but I’m not going to call KSU, JSU or FIU “great baseball programs” with their combined 13 NCAA appearances and 1 regional win this century. Head-to-head I hope the conference is able to win some games against Belt schools, but looking at the programs in each conference as a whole and the baseball consistency from a few different SBC schools, there’s no way you can think that it’ll take just “two years to pass them in baseball”. Just like our hoops are well ahead of their’s, it’s okay to admit that their baseball is way ahead of ours.

And get this Jones: none of that means CUSA will be a bad baseball conference.

I know the Bearkats are always solid and DBU is good. I dont know about the others but to call ltu a great program is a stretch. 2 good years does not a program make. Again, neither conference is light years ahead of the other.

We are not a great baseball program at this time.

(06-03-2023 10:50 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 01:41 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 11:53 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 10:56 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 08:42 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Sunbelt baseball is ahead of CUSA too.

For now, it will not be in the next 2 years.

What, are you anticipating teams leaving the SBC? They’ve got four NCAA teams this year. Not saying CUSA will be bad, in fact I think it’ll be a fine baseball conference, but ULL, CCU, USM, USA, ect. elevate the Sunbelt in a way that I’m not sure is obtainable for this group of schools. It may be a bit top heavy but it’s a good baseball conference. I’d love to see what SHSU would do in it, and I’m sure other CUSA fans feel the same.

Let’s hope DBU continues to be a strong team, and that the additions of Liberty, SHSU and NMSU allow CUSA to retain a position in the 7-10 range in baseball rpi. I think that’s more reasonable.

SHSU, KSU, LU, DBU, LT, JSU, FIU are all great baseball programs and can beat any of the programs you mentioned.

No disrespect but I’m not going to call KSU, JSU or FIU “great baseball programs” with their combined 13 NCAA appearances and 1 regional win this century. Head-to-head I hope the conference is able to win some games against Belt schools, but looking at the programs in each conference as a whole and the baseball consistency from a few different SBC schools, there’s no way you can think that it’ll take just “two years to pass them in baseball”. Just like our hoops are well ahead of their’s, it’s okay to admit that their baseball is way ahead of ours.

And get this Jones: none of that means CUSA will be a bad baseball conference.

KSU won a regional, 3 conference titles, and 2 tournament titles within the last 10 years.