(06-01-2023 11:00 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 06:35 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 12:30 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its just delusional to think its going to be any different of DeSantis wins.

Keep in mind I am voting for DeSantis, but I am in no way foolish enough to think a DeSantis presidency would not be anther 4 years of impeachments, investigations and a tsunami of fake news and total insanity from all the same people.

The second DeSantis wins, he will be decreed as "worse than Trump" and Trumps white supremacists agenda on steroids and worse than ever.

I agree with most of this except that 1) DeSantis isn't going to give them nearly the ammunition that Trump did and will and 2) Trump has already proven that he is incapable of surrounding himself with good people who can help shield from the bs. I'm old enough to know that the press will throw everything at any GOP president/candidate.

They did it to Reagan and it didn't work because he was so overwhelmingly popular. They did it to HW Bush and it worked, but a lot of it was self inflicted between "read my lips" and the grocery scanner thing. They did it to W Bush, but it only really stuck as Iraq got more unpopular and the financial crisis set in. They did it to McCain and Romney who both proved to be complete RINOs. McCain effed up by suspending his campaign and picking a lightweight running mate and by the time Mitt rolled around conservatives were tired of RINO candidates.

I'm not convinced that DeSantis is the guy. I know people who know him and they can't stop talking about how great he and his wife are, but there seems to be a charisma deficit. Barring something HUGE (and I thought the Durham report and the revelation that the deep state actively conspired against a sitting president was huge), Trump isn't going to win. And if he does, I have zero confidence in his ability to effectively manage.

DeSantis doesn't have to give or not give them anything. They will just make up whatever they wish and all the media and social media will scream it in unison.

The vast majority of attacks on Trump were on things he never said or did. They just flat lied about what he said or just made crap up out of thin air.

DeSantis can be perfect in all things and the MSM and their allies will still scream bloody murder that he is a white supremacist who is worst than Hitler and Trump combined. People have this delusion that the media and their allies are going to "calm down" a little bit if its someone other than Trump.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. We are in a much more radicalized era now and that is not going away by simple having a new republican nominee.

These people don't just think Trump is the problem, they think WE are the problem.

grab them by the pu**y isn't going to be a DeSantis thing. DeSantis isn't going to be subject to (false) claims of mocking disabled folks. Some of you are seriously dense.

Point out where Ron is politically liable and I'll agree as I did with Stink. He has a charisma deficit.

As someone who has been involved with, and disgusted by, GOP politics for 30 someodd years, the always Trumpers sure look a lot more like the McCain supporters, the Romney supporters, locally the Bill Owens supporters. My way or the highway in support of a candidate with zero plan or experience to execute on a non existent plan.

(06-02-2023 01:24 AM)VCE Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:00 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 06:35 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 12:30 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its just delusional to think its going to be any different of DeSantis wins.

Keep in mind I am voting for DeSantis, but I am in no way foolish enough to think a DeSantis presidency would not be anther 4 years of impeachments, investigations and a tsunami of fake news and total insanity from all the same people.

The second DeSantis wins, he will be decreed as "worse than Trump" and Trumps white supremacists agenda on steroids and worse than ever.

I agree with most of this except that 1) DeSantis isn't going to give them nearly the ammunition that Trump did and will and 2) Trump has already proven that he is incapable of surrounding himself with good people who can help shield from the bs. I'm old enough to know that the press will throw everything at any GOP president/candidate.

They did it to Reagan and it didn't work because he was so overwhelmingly popular. They did it to HW Bush and it worked, but a lot of it was self inflicted between "read my lips" and the grocery scanner thing. They did it to W Bush, but it only really stuck as Iraq got more unpopular and the financial crisis set in. They did it to McCain and Romney who both proved to be complete RINOs. McCain effed up by suspending his campaign and picking a lightweight running mate and by the time Mitt rolled around conservatives were tired of RINO candidates.

I'm not convinced that DeSantis is the guy. I know people who know him and they can't stop talking about how great he and his wife are, but there seems to be a charisma deficit. Barring something HUGE (and I thought the Durham report and the revelation that the deep state actively conspired against a sitting president was huge), Trump isn't going to win. And if he does, I have zero confidence in his ability to effectively manage.

DeSantis doesn't have to give or not give them anything. They will just make up whatever they wish and all the media and social media will scream it in unison.

The vast majority of attacks on Trump were on things he never said or did. They just flat lied about what he said or just made crap up out of thin air.

DeSantis can be perfect in all things and the MSM and their allies will still scream bloody murder that he is a white supremacist who is worst than Hitler and Trump combined. People have this delusion that the media and their allies are going to "calm down" a little bit if its someone other than Trump.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. We are in a much more radicalized era now and that is not going away by simple having a new republican nominee.

These people don't just think Trump is the problem, they think WE are the problem.

grab them by the pu**y isn't going to be a DeSantis thing. DeSantis isn't going to be subject to (false) claims of mocking disabled folks. Some of you are seriously dense.

Point out where Ron is politically liable and I'll agree as I did with Stink. He has a charisma deficit.

As someone who has been involved with, and disgusted by, GOP politics for 30 someodd years, the always Trumpers sure look a lot more like the McCain supporters, the Romney supporters, locally the Bill Owens supporters. My way or the highway in support of a candidate with zero plan or experience to execute on a non existent plan.

My favorite was Trump drawing with a sharpie to add Alabama in the hurricane cone because he just couldn't admit that he misspoke. Or he could have said he saw one of the spaghetti models going there. He could have done pretty much anything other than drawing a fake sharpie area to make his original assertion that he thought it would hit Alabama true. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/0...ap-1481733

So many things Trump is getting absolutely fairly attacked on. It doesn't mean all his attacks are fair. But, he has so many self inflicted wounds.

(06-02-2023 01:24 AM)VCE Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:00 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 06:35 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 12:30 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its just delusional to think its going to be any different of DeSantis wins.

Keep in mind I am voting for DeSantis, but I am in no way foolish enough to think a DeSantis presidency would not be anther 4 years of impeachments, investigations and a tsunami of fake news and total insanity from all the same people.

The second DeSantis wins, he will be decreed as "worse than Trump" and Trumps white supremacists agenda on steroids and worse than ever.

I agree with most of this except that 1) DeSantis isn't going to give them nearly the ammunition that Trump did and will and 2) Trump has already proven that he is incapable of surrounding himself with good people who can help shield from the bs. I'm old enough to know that the press will throw everything at any GOP president/candidate.

They did it to Reagan and it didn't work because he was so overwhelmingly popular. They did it to HW Bush and it worked, but a lot of it was self inflicted between "read my lips" and the grocery scanner thing. They did it to W Bush, but it only really stuck as Iraq got more unpopular and the financial crisis set in. They did it to McCain and Romney who both proved to be complete RINOs. McCain effed up by suspending his campaign and picking a lightweight running mate and by the time Mitt rolled around conservatives were tired of RINO candidates.

I'm not convinced that DeSantis is the guy. I know people who know him and they can't stop talking about how great he and his wife are, but there seems to be a charisma deficit. Barring something HUGE (and I thought the Durham report and the revelation that the deep state actively conspired against a sitting president was huge), Trump isn't going to win. And if he does, I have zero confidence in his ability to effectively manage.

DeSantis doesn't have to give or not give them anything. They will just make up whatever they wish and all the media and social media will scream it in unison.

The vast majority of attacks on Trump were on things he never said or did. They just flat lied about what he said or just made crap up out of thin air.

DeSantis can be perfect in all things and the MSM and their allies will still scream bloody murder that he is a white supremacist who is worst than Hitler and Trump combined. People have this delusion that the media and their allies are going to "calm down" a little bit if its someone other than Trump.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. We are in a much more radicalized era now and that is not going away by simple having a new republican nominee.

These people don't just think Trump is the problem, they think WE are the problem.

grab them by the pu**y isn't going to be a DeSantis thing. DeSantis isn't going to be subject to (false) claims of mocking disabled folks. Some of you are seriously dense.

Point out where Ron is politically liable and I'll agree as I did with Stink. He has a charisma deficit.

As someone who has been involved with, and disgusted by, GOP politics for 30 someodd years, the always Trumpers sure look a lot more like the McCain supporters, the Romney supporters, locally the Bill Owens supporters. My way or the highway in support of a candidate with zero plan or experience to execute on a non existent plan.

Your the one who is being dense on an epic level here.

I already made clear I'm behind DeSantis in this primary, not Trump.

But the cold hard fact remains DeSantis can be perfect in every way and never make a single mistake and he will still be portrayed as Hitler, Lucifer and the king of the white supremacy movement no matter what the man says or does. If you don't know that by now you likely never will because you refuse to see it. Or you are just another person who is blinded by your hatred for Trump so much that you can't see the truth no matter what.

If he won it would be no different at all, the same hair on fire "he is going to destroy our democracy!!!, we have to stop him at all costs!!!" lunacy from all the same people. The day DeSantis announced, "HE'S WORSE THAT TRUMP!!!" was screamed in unison across all the MSM. No matter who wins, they are going to be labeled a racist white supremacist totalitarian...Hitler reborn who has come to destroy our democracy.

You need to wake up to that reality NOW.

(06-01-2023 07:00 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 06:49 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  IMO, it's in the pitch of his voice ... he needs more 'gravel'...

I personally wish he would have stayed away until '28, but it matters naught, now (and AM will back me saying he would be the front runner after the '20 debacle) ...

regardless, if he wins the nom, he gets my vote...

I've never voted for any dem ... sure as shite not going to start now...

It's almost a little valley girlish.

I don't think '28 would have worked for him. He's term limited and will be out of office after '26. Ideally Trump wouldn't be such a buffoon and bore, would have learned something from the 2020 and 2022 debacles, and DeSantis could have been the veep candidate, but Trump is Trump.

The voice is very similar to Bush 1. Will certainly take some getting used to, but it can't be changed and it isn't going to sink him.

I've been impressed with how he handles interaction with the press. He can't stop them from running with the leftist narratives, but he does a good job calling them out and debunking it. As long as he stays true to himself and continues to make fact based decisions that he can confidently defend, he will be formidable. Much easier to do, however, when you are in office and defending decisions than trying to defend hypothetical positions or empty promises that consultants develop to get votes, especially when they conflict with past statements or decisions. That's where he needs to be careful.

(06-01-2023 07:00 PM)VCE Wrote:  I don't think '28 would have worked for him. He's term limited and will be out of office after '26. Ideally Trump wouldn't be such a buffoon and bore, would have learned something from the 2020 and 2022 debacles, and DeSantis could have been the veep candidate, but Trump is Trump.

He’s done as governor in 2026 but that’s not the only office in the state. Probably not senate. Scott is up in 2024 and I can’t see him locking horns with him, and Rubio not until 2028. But surely there is a house seat somewhere that is safe enough that he would be an easy winner, and getting to DC in any capacity would give him a useful platform.

(06-03-2023 01:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 07:00 PM)VCE Wrote:  I don't think '28 would have worked for him. He's term limited and will be out of office after '26. Ideally Trump wouldn't be such a buffoon and bore, would have learned something from the 2020 and 2022 debacles, and DeSantis could have been the veep candidate, but Trump is Trump.

He’s done as governor in 2026 but that’s not the only office in the state. Probably not senate. Scott is up in 2024 and I can’t see him locking horns with him, and Rubio not until 2028. But surely there is a house seat somewhere that is safe enough that he would be an easy winner, and getting to DC in any capacity would give him a useful platform.

He's already been in the House, so that would look like a step back. He had to throw his hat in the ring this go around.

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