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(06-06-2023 08:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:12 AM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 11:48 PM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  Failed Her Project for Using ‘Biological Women’

Quote:University of Cincinnati sophomore Olivia Krolczyk, 20, accused her Women’s Gender Studies in Pop Culture professor gave her a zero on a project because she used the term “biological women.”

“I got a 0 on a project proposal in my class because I use the term biological women, which is apparently not allowed anymore,” Krolczyk said in her TikTok video. “She even said it was a good project proposal. Um, but I got a 0 because I use this term as exclusionary and that’s not allowed anymore.”

The project was about transgender women in sports.

“And I 100% know that this is, like, the most biased grade ever, because my project is about transgenders competing in biological women’s sports,” she continued. “How am I supposed to do my final project if I can’t use the word biological women? But that’s what my project is about.”

that professor needs to be fired immediately. A professor cannot fail a student for her using a term that the sick, liberals want to be excluded. One day those people will be kneeling before Christ and being accountable to their actions. Jesus isn't ' WOKE'. How sad our society has reached such a state. Education has become political today. How can they teach the basics?

Jesus never said a god damned word about abortion or homosexuality. In fact, the feeder of the poor, overturner of the money-changers' tables and guy who said that a rich man would never get to heaven seems quite "woke." As for the Old Testament passages in Leviticus, fine. Let me know when I can stand outside a megachurch and start stoning some m'f'rs to death for wearing polyester blend clothing.

All that being said, failing that paper is ridiculous and should be reversed.

You dont understand the difference between Mosaic law, which was primarily the cultural customs of the Hebrews, vs sin. Moving into the new covenant theres no longer requirements for diet/clothes or customs such as circumcision etc. Jesus fulfilled the cultural customs. He didnt change sin. So no he didnt mention abortion or homosexuality just as He didnt mention pedophiles. He didnt need to.

(06-06-2023 09:04 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:45 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Paul did. You may want to check the first chapter of Romans.

And if you want to get technical about it the whole bible is the word of God and Jesus is God, so... yeah.

Leviticus also discusses not drinking alcohol in holy places (uh...communion), not eating seafood without fins or scales and not Mistreating Foreigners "the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born", among many other things.

Yes, there are a lot of things that appear as strange in modern times but the stuff in Leviticus is all old testament and we live in the new covenant of the new testament.

Not that the old testament doesn't apply, but its all about context. We're all no longer required to sacrifice a lamb without blemish to attone for our sins as they were in the old testament because the death and resurrection changed that.

The best way that I could say it was explained to me is that yes, the new testament applies to us but there is no new testament without the old testament.

We should all be thankful for that because now days sounds a lot like the times of Lot and we all know how God dealt with Soddom and Gamorrha.

We do everyday during the sacrifice of the mass. Jesus is the lamb of God, without blemish who's sacrifice atones our sins. His flesh is real food, His blood is real drink.

(06-06-2023 11:46 AM)cincy7718 Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 09:04 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:45 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Paul did. You may want to check the first chapter of Romans.

And if you want to get technical about it the whole bible is the word of God and Jesus is God, so... yeah.

Leviticus also discusses not drinking alcohol in holy places (uh...communion), not eating seafood without fins or scales and not Mistreating Foreigners "the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born", among many other things.

Yes, there are a lot of things that appear as strange in modern times but the stuff in Leviticus is all old testament and we live in the new covenant of the new testament.

Not that the old testament doesn't apply, but its all about context. We're all no longer required to sacrifice a lamb without blemish to attone for our sins as they were in the old testament because the death and resurrection changed that.

The best way that I could say it was explained to me is that yes, the new testament applies to us but there is no new testament without the old testament.

We should all be thankful for that because now days sounds a lot like the times of Lot and we all know how God dealt with Soddom and Gamorrha.

We do everyday during the sacrifice of the mass. Jesus is the lamb of God, without blemish who's sacrifice atones our sins. His flesh is real food, His blood is real drink.

Well OK, yeah.

I was referring to an actual wool covered one.

Professors have insane leeway to grade how they want. Submitting this in a gender studies course was obviously going to lead to a public reaction. UC office of gender equity and inclusion gave her the chance to have another professor grade it. That's probably more leeway than they had to give.

Transgender individuals continue to be targeted by political beliefs and I feel horrible for those that have to put up with it. Notwithstanding the UC graduate who recently received nationwide backlash for being transgender and doing an AD for bud light.

Much of this is the anti-gay hatred rebranded for 2023. Similar to how society has accepted the realities of gay marriage and gay people in general, one day we will be better able to love and accept transgender (and other queer ideologies) and realize how awful this current period was. And similar to how people have whitewashed their former anti-gay beliefs, people will whitewash their anti-transgender beliefs while society slowly moves along.

(06-06-2023 08:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:12 AM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 11:48 PM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  Failed Her Project for Using ‘Biological Women’

Quote:University of Cincinnati sophomore Olivia Krolczyk, 20, accused her Women’s Gender Studies in Pop Culture professor gave her a zero on a project because she used the term “biological women.”

“I got a 0 on a project proposal in my class because I use the term biological women, which is apparently not allowed anymore,” Krolczyk said in her TikTok video. “She even said it was a good project proposal. Um, but I got a 0 because I use this term as exclusionary and that’s not allowed anymore.”

The project was about transgender women in sports.

“And I 100% know that this is, like, the most biased grade ever, because my project is about transgenders competing in biological women’s sports,” she continued. “How am I supposed to do my final project if I can’t use the word biological women? But that’s what my project is about.”

that professor needs to be fired immediately. A professor cannot fail a student for her using a term that the sick, liberals want to be excluded. One day those people will be kneeling before Christ and being accountable to their actions. Jesus isn't ' WOKE'. How sad our society has reached such a state. Education has become political today. How can they teach the basics?

Jesus never said a god damned word about abortion or homosexuality. In fact, the feeder of the poor, overturner of the money-changers' tables and guy who said that a rich man would never get to heaven seems quite "woke." As for the Old Testament passages in Leviticus, fine. Let me know when I can stand outside a megachurch and start stoning some m'f'rs to death for wearing polyester blend clothing.

All that being said, failing that paper is ridiculous and should be reversed.

Paul did. You may want to check the first chapter of Romans.

And if you want to get technical about it the whole bible is the word of God and Jesus is God, so... yeah.

Technical about it? Neither God nor Jesus wrote the Bible. Looking at it in a more dispassionate way, the New Testament was written decades after Jesus died, by men who never knew him, and in a language (Greek) that Jesus didn't speak or understand. Since then, it's been simplified and translated, with varying degrees of accuracy, into many other languages. Some scripture may have been curated out of it altogether.

The New Testament certainly spells out a worthy and uplifting message, but is it really divine? Is anything? Perhaps only in our minds.

As regards the Ten Commandments, those foundational tenets allegedly engraved on stone tablets from God, they bear a remarkable similarity to language in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, which predates the Old Testament by more than a few centuries. As a member of Pharoah's court, Moses would have been familiar with the Book of the Dead and its dictates. Did he conveniently borrow those sentiments? Dare we accuse him of plagiarism?

(06-06-2023 11:43 AM)cincy7718 Wrote:  You dont understand the difference between Mosaic law, which was primarily the cultural customs of the Hebrews, vs sin. Moving into the new covenant theres no longer requirements for diet/clothes or customs such as circumcision etc. Jesus fulfilled the cultural customs. He didnt change sin. So no he didnt mention abortion or homosexuality just as He didnt mention pedophiles. He didnt need to.

That's convenient. There are plenty of explicit teachings suggesting damnation of bearing false witness, adulatory, and pretty much every single other behavior that fundamental religion conveniently ignores as well. Homosexuality and abortion are vastly different concepts but the nuance betwixt both is weaponized hatred at the behest of "faith". I'm no longer a Christian but envy those who think organized religion is path to righteousness. Instead, the lasting impression I received growing up in the Catholic church was that the pharisees who weaponized Jewish thought are interchangeable with most religiously opined people today. I think if the crucification story played out in 2023 about 60 to 80% of all world religions (or non-religions, really) would vote to crucify Jesus and release Barabbas.

And if there is a God I'm resolved to believe that it's one who accepts homosexuality as a matter of human dignity. If such a belief condemns me for eternity I've made my peace with it. I won't live a hateful life on the whims of divine interpretation funneled through 2000 years of organized politics.

(06-06-2023 06:14 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This thread should prolly have a trigger warning for a few folks.

You were the first to respond.

(06-06-2023 12:01 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:12 AM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 11:48 PM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  Failed Her Project for Using ‘Biological Women’

that professor needs to be fired immediately. A professor cannot fail a student for her using a term that the sick, liberals want to be excluded. One day those people will be kneeling before Christ and being accountable to their actions. Jesus isn't ' WOKE'. How sad our society has reached such a state. Education has become political today. How can they teach the basics?

Jesus never said a god damned word about abortion or homosexuality. In fact, the feeder of the poor, overturner of the money-changers' tables and guy who said that a rich man would never get to heaven seems quite "woke." As for the Old Testament passages in Leviticus, fine. Let me know when I can stand outside a megachurch and start stoning some m'f'rs to death for wearing polyester blend clothing.

All that being said, failing that paper is ridiculous and should be reversed.

Paul did. You may want to check the first chapter of Romans.

And if you want to get technical about it the whole bible is the word of God and Jesus is God, so... yeah.

Technical about it? Neither God nor Jesus wrote the Bible. Looking at it in a more dispassionate way, the New Testament was written decades after Jesus died, by men who never knew him, and in a language (Greek) that Jesus didn't speak or understand. Since then, it's been simplified and translated, with varying degrees of accuracy, into many other languages. Some scripture may have been curated out of it altogether.

The New Testament certainly spells out a worthy and uplifting message, but is it really divine? Is anything? Perhaps only in our minds.

As regards the Ten Commandments, those foundational tenets allegedly engraved on stone tablets from God, they bear a remarkable similarity to language in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, which predates the Old Testament by more than a few centuries. As a member of Pharoah's court, Moses would have been familiar with the Book of the Dead and its dictates. Did he conveniently borrow those sentiments? Dare we accuse him of plagiarism?

I challenge you to research how many old testament prophecies were fulfilled in the new testament... and then get back to me about that divine thing.

(06-06-2023 12:02 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 11:43 AM)cincy7718 Wrote:  You dont understand the difference between Mosaic law, which was primarily the cultural customs of the Hebrews, vs sin. Moving into the new covenant theres no longer requirements for diet/clothes or customs such as circumcision etc. Jesus fulfilled the cultural customs. He didnt change sin. So no he didnt mention abortion or homosexuality just as He didnt mention pedophiles. He didnt need to.

That's convenient. There are plenty of explicit teachings suggesting damnation of bearing false witness, adulatory, and pretty much every single other behavior that fundamental religion conveniently ignores as well. Homosexuality and abortion are vastly different concepts but the nuance betwixt both is weaponized hatred at the behest of "faith". I'm no longer a Christian but envy those who think organized religion is path to righteousness. Instead, the lasting impression I received growing up in the Catholic church was that the pharisees who weaponized Jewish thought are interchangeable with most religiously opined people today. I think if the crucification story played out in 2023 about 60 to 80% of all world religions (or non-religions, really) would vote to crucify Jesus and release Barabbas.

And if there is a God I'm resolved to believe that it's one who accepts homosexuality as a matter of human dignity. If such a belief condemns me for eternity I've made my peace with it. I won't live a hateful life on the whims of divine interpretation funneled through 2000 years of organized politics.

Its convenient that the Bible is EXTREMELY clear about Christians no longer needing to observe Jewish customs. Which, again, is not the same as embracing sin. You've simply doubled down on the exact same misunderstanding. You did add a false accusation that Christians ignore the 10 commandments, which is absurd, but not your most absurd comment. No wonder you left. So much self righteous arrogance. But as long as YOU are convinced that your personal morals are superior to the entirety of christianity, right?

(06-06-2023 08:01 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  This should be fun. I'll keep it on the main board because it deals with UC (for now).

If this is true, it should be corrected. Not a reason to give her a zero.

I took a political ideology class while at UC where the professor made it his mission to convert everyone to libertarianism. The core text was a book called "What it means to be a Libertarian". (Though he also had us read a Lou Dobbs book just for good measure).

Seems mostly all Bible-y to me.

(06-06-2023 11:51 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Professors have insane leeway to grade how they want. Submitting this in a gender studies course was obviously going to lead to a public reaction. UC office of gender equity and inclusion gave her the chance to have another professor grade it. That's probably more leeway than they had to give.

Transgender individuals continue to be targeted by political beliefs and I feel horrible for those that have to put up with it. Notwithstanding the UC graduate who recently received nationwide backlash for being transgender and doing an AD for bud light.

Much of this is the anti-gay hatred rebranded for 2023. Similar to how society has accepted the realities of gay marriage and gay people in general, one day we will be better able to love and accept transgender (and other queer ideologies) and realize how awful this current period was. And similar to how people have whitewashed their former anti-gay beliefs, people will whitewash their anti-transgender beliefs while society slowly moves along.

Targeted like being given an F by beliefs that accuse biology of hate? This wildly extremist stance is exactly why you're seeing backlash. You want society to move beyond biology into extreme ideology. You're so open minded that anyone who disagrees is hateful, right? That level of narrow mindedness as a political agenda doesnt belong in education.

(06-06-2023 12:23 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:01 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  This should be fun. I'll keep it on the main board because it deals with UC (for now).

If this is true, it should be corrected. Not a reason to give her a zero.

I took a political ideology class while at UC where the professor made it his mission to convert everyone to libertarianism. The core text was a book called "What it means to be a Libertarian". (Though he also had us read a Lou Dobbs book just for good measure).

Seems mostly all Bible-y to me.

Well that's what the whole issue boils down to.

Did God create Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve? Or could Eve have a pen!s or could Adam get pregnant? Or is a baby in it's mother's womb fair game to rip out and kill.

But it's funny how only one side of the discussion gets labled as hate mongering bigots.

(06-06-2023 12:01 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:12 AM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 11:48 PM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  Failed Her Project for Using ‘Biological Women’

that professor needs to be fired immediately. A professor cannot fail a student for her using a term that the sick, liberals want to be excluded. One day those people will be kneeling before Christ and being accountable to their actions. Jesus isn't ' WOKE'. How sad our society has reached such a state. Education has become political today. How can they teach the basics?

Jesus never said a god damned word about abortion or homosexuality. In fact, the feeder of the poor, overturner of the money-changers' tables and guy who said that a rich man would never get to heaven seems quite "woke." As for the Old Testament passages in Leviticus, fine. Let me know when I can stand outside a megachurch and start stoning some m'f'rs to death for wearing polyester blend clothing.

All that being said, failing that paper is ridiculous and should be reversed.

Paul did. You may want to check the first chapter of Romans.

And if you want to get technical about it the whole bible is the word of God and Jesus is God, so... yeah.

Technical about it? Neither God nor Jesus wrote the Bible. Looking at it in a more dispassionate way, the New Testament was written decades after Jesus died, by men who never knew him, and in a language (Greek) that Jesus didn't speak or understand. Since then, it's been simplified and translated, with varying degrees of accuracy, into many other languages. Some scripture may have been curated out of it altogether.

The New Testament certainly spells out a worthy and uplifting message, but is it really divine? Is anything? Perhaps only in our minds.

As regards the Ten Commandments, those foundational tenets allegedly engraved on stone tablets from God, they bear a remarkable similarity to language in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, which predates the Old Testament by more than a few centuries. As a member of Pharoah's court, Moses would have been familiar with the Book of the Dead and its dictates. Did he conveniently borrow those sentiments? Dare we accuse him of plagiarism?

The central message of the New Testament is that Jesus of Nazareth (the man) is God, and he voluntarily died to atone for our sins.

I agree that the message is uplifting. But you can't cherry-pick all the other radical things Jesus said (like women being as important as men, poor people being as important as rich people, loving your enemy, leading by serving, etc) and say that his central message is false.

This isn't like reading Aristotle, where he had some great ideas and some terrible ideas that you can take or discard at your leisure. With Jesus, the ideas you're discarding are inseparable from the ones you accept.

And without the Resurrection, none of the philosophies of Jesus of Nazareth make any sense at all. If the Resurrection is false, Jesus' teachings truly are the "opiate of the masses" that Karl Marx labels them, and they should be discarded by any right-thinking person.

(06-06-2023 12:14 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:01 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:12 AM)bearcat54 Wrote:  that professor needs to be fired immediately. A professor cannot fail a student for her using a term that the sick, liberals want to be excluded. One day those people will be kneeling before Christ and being accountable to their actions. Jesus isn't ' WOKE'. How sad our society has reached such a state. Education has become political today. How can they teach the basics?

Jesus never said a god damned word about abortion or homosexuality. In fact, the feeder of the poor, overturner of the money-changers' tables and guy who said that a rich man would never get to heaven seems quite "woke." As for the Old Testament passages in Leviticus, fine. Let me know when I can stand outside a megachurch and start stoning some m'f'rs to death for wearing polyester blend clothing.

All that being said, failing that paper is ridiculous and should be reversed.

Paul did. You may want to check the first chapter of Romans.

And if you want to get technical about it the whole bible is the word of God and Jesus is God, so... yeah.

Technical about it? Neither God nor Jesus wrote the Bible. Looking at it in a more dispassionate way, the New Testament was written decades after Jesus died, by men who never knew him, and in a language (Greek) that Jesus didn't speak or understand. Since then, it's been simplified and translated, with varying degrees of accuracy, into many other languages. Some scripture may have been curated out of it altogether.

The New Testament certainly spells out a worthy and uplifting message, but is it really divine? Is anything? Perhaps only in our minds.

As regards the Ten Commandments, those foundational tenets allegedly engraved on stone tablets from God, they bear a remarkable similarity to language in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, which predates the Old Testament by more than a few centuries. As a member of Pharoah's court, Moses would have been familiar with the Book of the Dead and its dictates. Did he conveniently borrow those sentiments? Dare we accuse him of plagiarism?

I challenge you to research how many old testament prophecies were fulfilled in the new testament... and then get back to me about that divine thing.

I wholly believe in a higher power and a creator/overseer in the Universe, but not so much organized religion meting out interpretations of text written by very normal people years/decades/centuries after the stated occurrences (that is to say ALL of those religions, not just one or the other).

To say that the sequel resolved plotlines from the original isn't really proof so much as simply solid multi-novel plotting by a talented author...the true author is the big question between faiths and those who don't believe, so using this as "proof" isn't really going to win any arguments with non-believers.

Regardless, I am fine with anyone using whatever means they deem necessary to motivate them to be a good person and do good in the world, to treat everyone with caring dignity, and just generally being a conscientious citizen of Earth. The cynics among us tend to see the Bible/Quran/Torah/etc. as a means to control a populace, but I simply see them as an instruction manual to make the reader a better person, which is what I tend to think the writers of them were hoping for.

(06-06-2023 12:30 PM)cincy7718 Wrote:  Targeted like being given an F by beliefs that accuse biology of hate? This wildly extremist stance is exactly why you're seeing backlash. You want society to move beyond biology into extreme ideology. You're so open minded that anyone who disagrees is hateful, right? That level of narrow mindedness as a political agenda doesnt belong in education.

Being transgender is not an extremist stance. Accusing transgender people of subservience to extremism is hate-filled, bigoted rhetoric, and it's exactly the kind of stuff that's become commonplace more recently in society that makes me deeply sad.

It's also pretty much the same moral/religious impunity that made hatred of gay people so common before Gay marriage. Same political arguments too. And the same sensationalist rhetoric about grooming and transgender athletes -- portraying niche problems as societal ills that are caused by transgenderism.

(06-06-2023 01:24 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:14 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:01 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  Jesus never said a god damned word about abortion or homosexuality. In fact, the feeder of the poor, overturner of the money-changers' tables and guy who said that a rich man would never get to heaven seems quite "woke." As for the Old Testament passages in Leviticus, fine. Let me know when I can stand outside a megachurch and start stoning some m'f'rs to death for wearing polyester blend clothing.

All that being said, failing that paper is ridiculous and should be reversed.

Paul did. You may want to check the first chapter of Romans.

And if you want to get technical about it the whole bible is the word of God and Jesus is God, so... yeah.

Technical about it? Neither God nor Jesus wrote the Bible. Looking at it in a more dispassionate way, the New Testament was written decades after Jesus died, by men who never knew him, and in a language (Greek) that Jesus didn't speak or understand. Since then, it's been simplified and translated, with varying degrees of accuracy, into many other languages. Some scripture may have been curated out of it altogether.

The New Testament certainly spells out a worthy and uplifting message, but is it really divine? Is anything? Perhaps only in our minds.

As regards the Ten Commandments, those foundational tenets allegedly engraved on stone tablets from God, they bear a remarkable similarity to language in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, which predates the Old Testament by more than a few centuries. As a member of Pharoah's court, Moses would have been familiar with the Book of the Dead and its dictates. Did he conveniently borrow those sentiments? Dare we accuse him of plagiarism?

I challenge you to research how many old testament prophecies were fulfilled in the new testament... and then get back to me about that divine thing.

I wholly believe in a higher power and a creator/overseer in the Universe, but not so much organized religion meting out interpretations of text written by very normal people years/decades/centuries after the stated occurrences (that is to say ALL of those religions, not just one or the other).

There are loads of sacred writings “edited” out of the official script. Somewhere I have a book, “The Other Bible,” which is a compilation of all the stuff deselected. I’ll have to dig that up.

(06-06-2023 12:30 PM)cincy7718 Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 11:51 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Professors have insane leeway to grade how they want. Submitting this in a gender studies course was obviously going to lead to a public reaction. UC office of gender equity and inclusion gave her the chance to have another professor grade it. That's probably more leeway than they had to give.

Transgender individuals continue to be targeted by political beliefs and I feel horrible for those that have to put up with it. Notwithstanding the UC graduate who recently received nationwide backlash for being transgender and doing an AD for bud light.

Much of this is the anti-gay hatred rebranded for 2023. Similar to how society has accepted the realities of gay marriage and gay people in general, one day we will be better able to love and accept transgender (and other queer ideologies) and realize how awful this current period was. And similar to how people have whitewashed their former anti-gay beliefs, people will whitewash their anti-transgender beliefs while society slowly moves along.

Targeted like being given an F by beliefs that accuse biology of hate? This wildly extremist stance is exactly why you're seeing backlash. You want society to move beyond biology into extreme ideology. You're so open minded that anyone who disagrees is hateful, right? That level of narrow mindedness as a political agenda doesnt belong in education.

There is a growing body of science that post dates The Bible - and your education - on sexuality that fits totally in line with biology. An extra chromosome here, mixed chromosomes there, genetic aberrations, etc.

The Bible doesn’t give you license to treat people like this as extreme.

Not the Jesus I know.

Calling biology hateful is extreme. Calling anyone who disagrees with you hateful is extreme. Nice try twisting, its clearly your only card to play.

(06-06-2023 03:16 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 01:24 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:14 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:01 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Paul did. You may want to check the first chapter of Romans.

And if you want to get technical about it the whole bible is the word of God and Jesus is God, so... yeah.

Technical about it? Neither God nor Jesus wrote the Bible. Looking at it in a more dispassionate way, the New Testament was written decades after Jesus died, by men who never knew him, and in a language (Greek) that Jesus didn't speak or understand. Since then, it's been simplified and translated, with varying degrees of accuracy, into many other languages. Some scripture may have been curated out of it altogether.

The New Testament certainly spells out a worthy and uplifting message, but is it really divine? Is anything? Perhaps only in our minds.

As regards the Ten Commandments, those foundational tenets allegedly engraved on stone tablets from God, they bear a remarkable similarity to language in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, which predates the Old Testament by more than a few centuries. As a member of Pharoah's court, Moses would have been familiar with the Book of the Dead and its dictates. Did he conveniently borrow those sentiments? Dare we accuse him of plagiarism?

I challenge you to research how many old testament prophecies were fulfilled in the new testament... and then get back to me about that divine thing.

I wholly believe in a higher power and a creator/overseer in the Universe, but not so much organized religion meting out interpretations of text written by very normal people years/decades/centuries after the stated occurrences (that is to say ALL of those religions, not just one or the other).

There are loads of sacred writings “edited” out of the official script. Somewhere I have a book, “The Other Bible,” which is a compilation of all the stuff deselected. I’ll have to dig that up.

Well I'll just challenge everyone to read for yourself all of the fulfilled prophesies and ask yourself if that was just coincidence or not... and if those are real, then the other stuff has to be real too.

Jesus didn't run after people and neither do I. Everyone has to make their own decisions.

(06-06-2023 03:28 PM)cincy7718 Wrote:  Calling biology hateful is extreme. Calling anyone who disagrees with you hateful is extreme. Nice try twisting, its clearly your only card to play.

I’m sorry, sir, but science is not in your corner.