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(06-06-2023 03:28 PM)cincy7718 Wrote:  Calling biology hateful is extreme. Calling anyone who disagrees with you hateful is extreme. Nice try twisting, its clearly your only card to play.

I didn't call you hateful because you disagreed with me. I called your rhetoric hateful because you stated that transgenderism is linked to extremism. If I suggested Christianity was fundamentally extremist I wouldn't expect you to see that as a 'disagreement'. I would expect you to see it as an attack on your existence.

From a medical perspective there are some clashes between medical rhetoric and LGBTQ nomenclature but this isn't an issue where science has been disregarded. Notwithstanding that there are - biologically - people who are intersex. The whole "biological male in female's sport" rhetoric is obviously antagonistic.

(06-06-2023 12:36 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:23 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:01 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  This should be fun. I'll keep it on the main board because it deals with UC (for now).

If this is true, it should be corrected. Not a reason to give her a zero.

I took a political ideology class while at UC where the professor made it his mission to convert everyone to libertarianism. The core text was a book called "What it means to be a Libertarian". (Though he also had us read a Lou Dobbs book just for good measure).

Seems mostly all Bible-y to me.

Well that's what the whole issue boils down to.

Did God create Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve? Or could Eve have a pen!s or could Adam get pregnant? Or is a baby in it's mother's womb fair game to rip out and kill.

But it's funny how only one side of the discussion gets labled as hate mongering bigots.

No, the real question is: Did God create Adam and Eve, or did Adam and Eve create God?

Folks have been inventing and reinventing supreme beings for a very long time. It's a convenient and fanciful way to explain natural phenomena they don't yet understand. Are you telling me that lightning and thunder aren't a result of Thor striking his hammer against an anvil? You don't believe that the Earth is the center of the universe? Blasphemy!

Giordano Bruno was dragged naked from his cell and burned at the stake for daring to question the orthodoxy of his day. Galileo Galilei was luckier. He was only sentenced to house arrest for the remainder (nine years) of his life. But now, thankfully, we're more enlightened. Today, some of our elected officials are simply content to pass laws which demonize or limit the options of those who don't conform to their particular brand of dogma.

Faith is a funny thing. By definition, it expects adherence to beliefs without offering proof of anything.

Watch "The Chosen" if interested in the New Testament. Really good.

BTW, I was taking a compliance course yesterday for my company and one of the questions was around harassment of a transgender using female bathrooms if other females made that person feel uncomfortable. I really couldn't believe what I was reading. These are unique times for sure.

(06-06-2023 05:50 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:36 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:23 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:01 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  This should be fun. I'll keep it on the main board because it deals with UC (for now).

If this is true, it should be corrected. Not a reason to give her a zero.

I took a political ideology class while at UC where the professor made it his mission to convert everyone to libertarianism. The core text was a book called "What it means to be a Libertarian". (Though he also had us read a Lou Dobbs book just for good measure).

Seems mostly all Bible-y to me.

Well that's what the whole issue boils down to.

Did God create Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve? Or could Eve have a pen!s or could Adam get pregnant? Or is a baby in it's mother's womb fair game to rip out and kill.

But it's funny how only one side of the discussion gets labled as hate mongering bigots.

No, the real question is: Did God create Adam and Eve, or did Adam and Eve create God?

Folks have been inventing and reinventing supreme beings for a very long time. It's a convenient and fanciful way to explain natural phenomena they don't yet understand. Are you telling me that lightning and thunder aren't a result of Thor striking his hammer against an anvil? You don't believe that the Earth is the center of the universe? Blasphemy!

Giordano Bruno was dragged naked from his cell and burned at the stake for daring to question the orthodoxy of his day. Galileo Galilei was luckier. He was only sentenced to house arrest for the remainder (nine years) of his life. But now, thankfully, we're more enlightened. Today, some of our elected officials are simply content to pass laws which demonize or limit the options of those who don't conform to their particular brand of dogma.

Faith is a funny thing. By definition, it expects adherence to beliefs without offering proof of anything.

Bro, please explain where the "big bang" came from and what was before it? How do you get something... from nothing.

(06-06-2023 05:16 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  From a medical perspective there are some clashes between medical rhetoric and LGBTQ nomenclature but this isn't an issue where science has been disregarded. Notwithstanding that there are - biologically - people who are intersex. The whole "biological male in female's sport" rhetoric is obviously antagonistic.

You're confusing intersex and trans. Those are two completely different things.

If someone is intersex, then it is difficult to determine if the person is biologically male or biologically female. Some would argue that this means the person is neither male nor female, while others argue that difficulty in determining the gender doesn't change the fact that the person is still either male or female.

If someone is transgender, then they are a biological male who is identifying as a female, or they are a biological female who is identifying as a male.

The two are not even remotely similar from an ethics standpoint.

(06-06-2023 12:13 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 06:14 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This thread should prolly have a trigger warning for a few folks.

You were the first to respond.

And you were the few folks I referred to.

(06-06-2023 11:43 AM)cincy7718 Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:12 AM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 11:48 PM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  Failed Her Project for Using ‘Biological Women’

Quote:University of Cincinnati sophomore Olivia Krolczyk, 20, accused her Women’s Gender Studies in Pop Culture professor gave her a zero on a project because she used the term “biological women.”

“I got a 0 on a project proposal in my class because I use the term biological women, which is apparently not allowed anymore,” Krolczyk said in her TikTok video. “She even said it was a good project proposal. Um, but I got a 0 because I use this term as exclusionary and that’s not allowed anymore.”

The project was about transgender women in sports.

“And I 100% know that this is, like, the most biased grade ever, because my project is about transgenders competing in biological women’s sports,” she continued. “How am I supposed to do my final project if I can’t use the word biological women? But that’s what my project is about.”

that professor needs to be fired immediately. A professor cannot fail a student for her using a term that the sick, liberals want to be excluded. One day those people will be kneeling before Christ and being accountable to their actions. Jesus isn't ' WOKE'. How sad our society has reached such a state. Education has become political today. How can they teach the basics?

Jesus never said a god damned word about abortion or homosexuality. In fact, the feeder of the poor, overturner of the money-changers' tables and guy who said that a rich man would never get to heaven seems quite "woke." As for the Old Testament passages in Leviticus, fine. Let me know when I can stand outside a megachurch and start stoning some m'f'rs to death for wearing polyester blend clothing.

All that being said, failing that paper is ridiculous and should be reversed.

You dont understand the difference between Mosaic law, which was primarily the cultural customs of the Hebrews, vs sin. Moving into the new covenant theres no longer requirements for diet/clothes or customs such as circumcision etc. Jesus fulfilled the cultural customs. He didnt change sin. So no he didnt mention abortion or homosexuality just as He didnt mention pedophiles. He didnt need to.

Jesus is the Law. God's Word, the Bible, mentions many places that lying with the same sex or an animal is an abomination to God. God's Word calls Fetuses as ' Children not yet born' so that makes an unborn fetus as a child. Sadly, many women have fought for years to have the approval to murder their children. That's not a good thing, unless it's a God Hating Democrat. :)

(06-06-2023 09:01 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 11:43 AM)cincy7718 Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:12 AM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 11:48 PM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  Failed Her Project for Using ‘Biological Women’

that professor needs to be fired immediately. A professor cannot fail a student for her using a term that the sick, liberals want to be excluded. One day those people will be kneeling before Christ and being accountable to their actions. Jesus isn't ' WOKE'. How sad our society has reached such a state. Education has become political today. How can they teach the basics?

Jesus never said a god damned word about abortion or homosexuality. In fact, the feeder of the poor, overturner of the money-changers' tables and guy who said that a rich man would never get to heaven seems quite "woke." As for the Old Testament passages in Leviticus, fine. Let me know when I can stand outside a megachurch and start stoning some m'f'rs to death for wearing polyester blend clothing.

All that being said, failing that paper is ridiculous and should be reversed.

You dont understand the difference between Mosaic law, which was primarily the cultural customs of the Hebrews, vs sin. Moving into the new covenant theres no longer requirements for diet/clothes or customs such as circumcision etc. Jesus fulfilled the cultural customs. He didnt change sin. So no he didnt mention abortion or homosexuality just as He didnt mention pedophiles. He didnt need to.

Jesus is the Law. God's Word, the Bible, mentions many places that lying with the same sex or an animal is an abomination to God. God's Word calls Fetuses as ' Children not yet born' so that makes an unborn fetus as a child. Sadly, many women have fought for years to have the approval to murder their children. That's not a good thing, unless it's a God Hating Democrat. :)

Apparently a married woman who cheats and gets pregnant is cursed and forced to abort.


• The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31).

u. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

Deuteronomy 28 - Good stuff

53 Because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you.
54 Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children,
55 and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities.
56 The most gentle and sensitive woman among you—so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot—will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter
57 the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For in her dire need she intends to eat them secretly because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of your cities.
58 If you do not carefully follow all the words of this law, which are written in this book, and do not revere this glorious and awesome name—the LORD your God—

Jeremiah 44:7-8

Worship false idols and even suckling children get wiped out:



7 Therefore now thus saith the LORD, the God of hosts, the God of Israel; Wherefore commit ye this great evil against your souls, to cut off from you man and woman, child and suckling, out of Judah, to leave you none to remain;
8 In that ye provoke me unto wrath with the works of your hands, burning incense unto other gods in the land of Egypt, whither ye be gone to dwell, that ye might cut yourselves off, and that ye might be a curse and a reproach among all the nations of the earth?

In Isaiah, the Lord did not take pity on the unborn, and took vengeance upon Babylon:

B. Desolate Babylon.
1. (17-22) Babylon is laid waste.
“Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them,
Who will not regard silver;
And as for gold, they will not delight in it.
Also their bows will dash the young men to pieces,
And they will have no pity on the fruit of the womb;
Their eye will not spare children.
And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms,
The beauty of the Chaldeans’ pride,
Will be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
It will never be inhabited,
Nor will it be settled from generation to generation;
Nor will the Arabian pitch tents there,
Nor will the shepherds make their sheepfolds there.
But wild beasts of the desert will lie there,
And their houses will be full of owls;
Ostriches will dwell there,
And wild goats will caper there.
The hyenas will howl in their citadels,
And jackals in their pleasant palaces.
Her time is near to come,
And her days will not be prolonged.”

I fault the student for using an unnecessary, repetitive phrase… “biological female”.
As if there is any other type of female.

(06-06-2023 07:30 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 05:50 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:36 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:23 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 08:01 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  This should be fun. I'll keep it on the main board because it deals with UC (for now).

If this is true, it should be corrected. Not a reason to give her a zero.

I took a political ideology class while at UC where the professor made it his mission to convert everyone to libertarianism. The core text was a book called "What it means to be a Libertarian". (Though he also had us read a Lou Dobbs book just for good measure).

Seems mostly all Bible-y to me.

Well that's what the whole issue boils down to.

Did God create Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve? Or could Eve have a pen!s or could Adam get pregnant? Or is a baby in it's mother's womb fair game to rip out and kill.

But it's funny how only one side of the discussion gets labled as hate mongering bigots.

No, the real question is: Did God create Adam and Eve, or did Adam and Eve create God?

Folks have been inventing and reinventing supreme beings for a very long time. It's a convenient and fanciful way to explain natural phenomena they don't yet understand. Are you telling me that lightning and thunder aren't a result of Thor striking his hammer against an anvil? You don't believe that the Earth is the center of the universe? Blasphemy!

Giordano Bruno was dragged naked from his cell and burned at the stake for daring to question the orthodoxy of his day. Galileo Galilei was luckier. He was only sentenced to house arrest for the remainder (nine years) of his life. But now, thankfully, we're more enlightened. Today, some of our elected officials are simply content to pass laws which demonize or limit the options of those who don't conform to their particular brand of dogma.

Faith is a funny thing. By definition, it expects adherence to beliefs without offering proof of anything.

Bro, please explain where the "big bang" came from and what was before it? How do you get something... from nothing.

Still waiting to hear where that "big bang" came from.

While you're at it, please explain how if we evolved from apes why are there still apes?

Well, I guess a world view that can't define what a woman is wouldn't know the answers to those questions either.

Alright... discussion has moved well beyond UC. Feel free to continue the discussion on the off-topic board.

(06-06-2023 05:16 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  From a medical perspective there are some clashes between medical rhetoric and LGBTQ nomenclature but this isn't an issue where science has been disregarded. Notwithstanding that there are - biologically - people who are intersex. The whole "biological male in female's sport" rhetoric is obviously antagonistic.

What do you tell a young girl that has been training her entire life to fulfill her dream of winning a NC in college for swimming or any other individual sport that has that dream ripped away because some Dude that couldn't cut it on the Male side and decides he wants to "tuck his junk" and squash her dream?

I'm just glad that there's a separation of church and state so that one persons religion doesn't get imposed on everyone....

Right? No? F...

(06-07-2023 07:27 AM)Bearcat419 Wrote:  I'm just glad that there's a separation of church and state so that one persons religion doesn't get imposed on everyone....

Right? No? F...

Lol..too late for that.

(06-07-2023 06:54 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:30 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 05:50 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:36 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:23 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  Seems mostly all Bible-y to me.

Well that's what the whole issue boils down to.

Did God create Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve? Or could Eve have a pen!s or could Adam get pregnant? Or is a baby in it's mother's womb fair game to rip out and kill.

But it's funny how only one side of the discussion gets labled as hate mongering bigots.

No, the real question is: Did God create Adam and Eve, or did Adam and Eve create God?

Folks have been inventing and reinventing supreme beings for a very long time. It's a convenient and fanciful way to explain natural phenomena they don't yet understand. Are you telling me that lightning and thunder aren't a result of Thor striking his hammer against an anvil? You don't believe that the Earth is the center of the universe? Blasphemy!

Giordano Bruno was dragged naked from his cell and burned at the stake for daring to question the orthodoxy of his day. Galileo Galilei was luckier. He was only sentenced to house arrest for the remainder (nine years) of his life. But now, thankfully, we're more enlightened. Today, some of our elected officials are simply content to pass laws which demonize or limit the options of those who don't conform to their particular brand of dogma.

Faith is a funny thing. By definition, it expects adherence to beliefs without offering proof of anything.

Bro, please explain where the "big bang" came from and what was before it? How do you get something... from nothing.

While you're at it, please explain how if we evolved from apes why are there still apes?

Over time some adapt to our environment and others…don’t. Besides, you aren’t evolved from the apes you see from the zoo - you have evolved from a common ancestor. To think that beings don’t evolve over time defies evidence and logic.

We continue to evolve today. We are all a hodgepodge of genetic makeup with variations that either kill us or help us to survive.

The ape question is meme-like nowadays. The conversation should be well beyond that.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-...till-exist


Edited for clarity

(06-07-2023 07:49 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(06-07-2023 06:54 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 07:30 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 05:50 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 12:36 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Well that's what the whole issue boils down to.

Did God create Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve? Or could Eve have a pen!s or could Adam get pregnant? Or is a baby in it's mother's womb fair game to rip out and kill.

But it's funny how only one side of the discussion gets labled as hate mongering bigots.

No, the real question is: Did God create Adam and Eve, or did Adam and Eve create God?

Folks have been inventing and reinventing supreme beings for a very long time. It's a convenient and fanciful way to explain natural phenomena they don't yet understand. Are you telling me that lightning and thunder aren't a result of Thor striking his hammer against an anvil? You don't believe that the Earth is the center of the universe? Blasphemy!

Giordano Bruno was dragged naked from his cell and burned at the stake for daring to question the orthodoxy of his day. Galileo Galilei was luckier. He was only sentenced to house arrest for the remainder (nine years) of his life. But now, thankfully, we're more enlightened. Today, some of our elected officials are simply content to pass laws which demonize or limit the options of those who don't conform to their particular brand of dogma.

Faith is a funny thing. By definition, it expects adherence to beliefs without offering proof of anything.

Bro, please explain where the "big bang" came from and what was before it? How do you get something... from nothing.

While you're at it, please explain how if we evolved from apes why are there still apes?

It’s like a tree, over time some of adapt to our environment and others…don’t. Besides, you aren’t evolved from the apes you see from the zoo - you have evolved from a common ancestor.

We continue to evolve today. We are all a hodgepodge of genetic makeup with variations that either kill us or help us to survive.

The ape question is meme-like nowadays. The conversation should be well beyond that.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-...till-exist

The way he asked that question tells your all you need to know. He hasn't attempted to understand evolution to any degree. You can't have a meaningful conversation when that is the case.