(08-01-2023 12:50 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:29 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If the new PAC deal is worth $20 million per school in an Apple streaming package, and the new additions would receive half shares ($10 million), is that worth leaving the AAC for?

The PAC will have autonomous status, but no conference is guaranteed an auto-bid in the new 12-team playoff. Plus, the PAC's presidents aren't going to agree to a long expensive GOR. They all want out now. So, that deal could be further reduced as more programs exit in the coming years. SMU and possibly another AAC program have a lot to think about.

Yeah the pac could end up just being another MWC. This is an opportunity for Aresco to get creative here. Could be opportunities.

1. Merger
2. consolidate into new conference.

Standing pat would just be settling for going in reverse.

Joining the Pac at 10 ml might still be better depending on who stays (Wash St, Oregon St) and 10 best of the rest G5's. All the streaming is what turns me off.

Don't forget, the playoff payout has not been determined yet, I'm sure the SEC, B1G, Big12, & ACC aren't going to want to pay this new PAC what they will earn. That is where the PAC could be weeded out from the other power conferences.

And bowl ties are going to come up again soon too. This new PAC is going to have a rough couple of years.

(08-01-2023 12:17 PM)49ShadesOfGreen Wrote:  If new schools are only getting $10 million and viewship is limited to apple tv subscription I don't see any advantage for an AAC to school to join the PAC.

I think you're right. I refuse to watch streaming content that's behind a paywall. If these numbers are correct, it's a bad deal. Nobody leaves linear ESPN exposure in the Central/Eastern timezones for hidden content out West.

And if this is only a two-year contract, then the four corners are gone, and Washington and Oregon are announcing their moves to the Big10 within a year or so.

It's a pathetic deal, but there are schools that will sign up for it. I hope Rice withdraws its application. We're better off here in the American. It's sad, but the PAC needs to die on the vine, and the MWC and American can can pick at the leftover pieces.

(08-01-2023 01:06 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:50 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:29 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If the new PAC deal is worth $20 million per school in an Apple streaming package, and the new additions would receive half shares ($10 million), is that worth leaving the AAC for?

The PAC will have autonomous status, but no conference is guaranteed an auto-bid in the new 12-team playoff. Plus, the PAC's presidents aren't going to agree to a long expensive GOR. They all want out now. So, that deal could be further reduced as more programs exit in the coming years. SMU and possibly another AAC program have a lot to think about.

Yeah the pac could end up just being another MWC. This is an opportunity for Aresco to get creative here. Could be opportunities.

1. Merger
2. consolidate into new conference.

Standing pat would just be settling for going in reverse.

Joining the Pac at 10 ml might still be better depending on who stays (Wash St, Oregon St) and 10 best of the rest G5's. All the streaming is what turns me off.

Don't forget, the playoff payout has not been determined yet, I'm sure the SEC, B1G, Big12, & ACC aren't going to want to pay this new PAC what they will earn. That is where the PAC could be weeded out from the other power conferences.

And bowl ties are going to come up again soon too. This new PAC is going to have a rough couple of years.

By taking six teams last time who could we add now? We're handcuffed now.

I still think teams from the MWC and AAC will jump to a PAC invite.

Short term upside. Long term murky. Take the early win and worry about future losses later.

(08-01-2023 12:29 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If the new PAC deal is worth $20 million per school in an Apple streaming package, and the new additions would receive half shares ($10 million), is that worth leaving the AAC for?

The PAC will have autonomous status, but no conference is guaranteed an auto-bid in the new 12-team playoff. Plus, the PAC's presidents aren't going to agree to a long expensive GOR. They all want out now. So, that deal could be further reduced as more programs exit in the coming years. SMU and possibly another AAC program have a lot to think about.

Man I really hope we stick together. This is a good conference. We only get stronger if the PAC goes away. Who knows, maybe we pull in some of the leftovers in a couple years.

(08-01-2023 01:13 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 01:06 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:50 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:29 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If the new PAC deal is worth $20 million per school in an Apple streaming package, and the new additions would receive half shares ($10 million), is that worth leaving the AAC for?

The PAC will have autonomous status, but no conference is guaranteed an auto-bid in the new 12-team playoff. Plus, the PAC's presidents aren't going to agree to a long expensive GOR. They all want out now. So, that deal could be further reduced as more programs exit in the coming years. SMU and possibly another AAC program have a lot to think about.

Yeah the pac could end up just being another MWC. This is an opportunity for Aresco to get creative here. Could be opportunities.

1. Merger
2. consolidate into new conference.

Standing pat would just be settling for going in reverse.

Joining the Pac at 10 ml might still be better depending on who stays (Wash St, Oregon St) and 10 best of the rest G5's. All the streaming is what turns me off.

Don't forget, the playoff payout has not been determined yet, I'm sure the SEC, B1G, Big12, & ACC aren't going to want to pay this new PAC what they will earn. That is where the PAC could be weeded out from the other power conferences.

And bowl ties are going to come up again soon too. This new PAC is going to have a rough couple of years.

By taking six teams last time who could we add now? We're handcuffed now.

I think we can still add two programs. Three is SMU still leaves.

(08-01-2023 01:21 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  I still think teams from the MWC and AAC will jump to a PAC invite.

Short term upside. Long term murky. Take the early win and worry about future losses later.

That was my initial thought too, but if these numbers are accurate, it would be wise to take advantage of the AAC's 27 month exit timeframe. If the PAC is done as a power conference, more cracks will be exposed in the next two or three years.

(08-01-2023 12:50 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:29 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If the new PAC deal is worth $20 million per school in an Apple streaming package, and the new additions would receive half shares ($10 million), is that worth leaving the AAC for?

The PAC will have autonomous status, but no conference is guaranteed an auto-bid in the new 12-team playoff. Plus, the PAC's presidents aren't going to agree to a long expensive GOR. They all want out now. So, that deal could be further reduced as more programs exit in the coming years. SMU and possibly another AAC program have a lot to think about.

Yeah the pac could end up just being another MWC. This is an opportunity for Aresco to get creative here. Could be opportunities.

1. Merger
2. consolidate into new conference.

Standing pat would just be settling for going in reverse.

Joining the Pac at 10 ml might still be better depending on who stays (Wash St, Oregon St) and 10 best of the rest G5's. All the streaming is what turns me off.

You never know. Conferences seldom work together. At least The American could possibly offer the PAC linear ESPN coverage and earlier start times with a merger, but they probably still believe that they can poach our best schools, and remain above us.

I tell you what though, no PAC school will be on television anymore. Just let that sink in for a minute. It's an unbelievably bad turn of events for that conference

(08-01-2023 01:21 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:29 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If the new PAC deal is worth $20 million per school in an Apple streaming package, and the new additions would receive half shares ($10 million), is that worth leaving the AAC for?

The PAC will have autonomous status, but no conference is guaranteed an auto-bid in the new 12-team playoff. Plus, the PAC's presidents aren't going to agree to a long expensive GOR. They all want out now. So, that deal could be further reduced as more programs exit in the coming years. SMU and possibly another AAC program have a lot to think about.

Man I really hope we stick together. This is a good conference. We only get stronger if the PAC goes away. Who knows, maybe we pull in some of the leftovers in a couple years.

I hope we stick together too. But, I wouldn't be hurt if SMU left for the PAC.

I don't see the PAC going away, just basically becoming a better version of the MWC. But that's good for the AAC too.

Hopefully enough to take Rice off our hands.

(08-01-2023 01:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 01:21 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:29 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If the new PAC deal is worth $20 million per school in an Apple streaming package, and the new additions would receive half shares ($10 million), is that worth leaving the AAC for?

The PAC will have autonomous status, but no conference is guaranteed an auto-bid in the new 12-team playoff. Plus, the PAC's presidents aren't going to agree to a long expensive GOR. They all want out now. So, that deal could be further reduced as more programs exit in the coming years. SMU and possibly another AAC program have a lot to think about.

Man I really hope we stick together. This is a good conference. We only get stronger if the PAC goes away. Who knows, maybe we pull in some of the leftovers in a couple years.

I hope we stick together too. But, I wouldn't be hurt if SMU left for the PAC.

I don't see the PAC going away, just basically becoming a better version of the MWC. But that's good for the AAC too.

Right. I won't be devastated by SMU's departure, but if we lose more than that, it'll hurt the conference.

Hopefully the PAC backfills with mostly MWC schools. Maybe then we look attractive to Air Force and Boise.

No matter what happens, I'm confident that Aresco isn't standing around with his hands in his pockets. He's relentless. He makes Kliavcoff look like a little lamb.

(08-01-2023 01:34 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:50 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:29 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If the new PAC deal is worth $20 million per school in an Apple streaming package, and the new additions would receive half shares ($10 million), is that worth leaving the AAC for?

The PAC will have autonomous status, but no conference is guaranteed an auto-bid in the new 12-team playoff. Plus, the PAC's presidents aren't going to agree to a long expensive GOR. They all want out now. So, that deal could be further reduced as more programs exit in the coming years. SMU and possibly another AAC program have a lot to think about.

Yeah the pac could end up just being another MWC. This is an opportunity for Aresco to get creative here. Could be opportunities.

1. Merger
2. consolidate into new conference.

Standing pat would just be settling for going in reverse.

Joining the Pac at 10 ml might still be better depending on who stays (Wash St, Oregon St) and 10 best of the rest G5's. All the streaming is what turns me off.

You never know. Conferences seldom work together. At least The American could possibly offer the PAC linear ESPN coverage and earlier start times with a merger, but they probably still believe that they can poach our best schools, and remain above us.

I tell you what though, no PAC school will be on television anymore. Just let that sink in for a minute. It's an unbelievably bad turn of events for that conference

I think Apple could still sell games to the networks. But yeah vast majority would be online.

Honestly, we might all be going in that direction eventually. If there were a centralized app with all the cable/satellite/streaming stuff in one place, then it really won't make a difference. Apple TV is one "channel" over from ESPN and Fox.

I know the deal sucks and is a real gut punch, but I don't think we're that many years away from 100% streaming of all TV content.

(08-01-2023 01:34 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:50 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:29 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  If the new PAC deal is worth $20 million per school in an Apple streaming package, and the new additions would receive half shares ($10 million), is that worth leaving the AAC for?

The PAC will have autonomous status, but no conference is guaranteed an auto-bid in the new 12-team playoff. Plus, the PAC's presidents aren't going to agree to a long expensive GOR. They all want out now. So, that deal could be further reduced as more programs exit in the coming years. SMU and possibly another AAC program have a lot to think about.

Yeah the pac could end up just being another MWC. This is an opportunity for Aresco to get creative here. Could be opportunities.

1. Merger
2. consolidate into new conference.

Standing pat would just be settling for going in reverse.

Joining the Pac at 10 ml might still be better depending on who stays (Wash St, Oregon St) and 10 best of the rest G5's. All the streaming is what turns me off.

You never know. Conferences seldom work together. At least The American could possibly offer the PAC linear ESPN coverage and earlier start times with a merger, but they probably still believe that they can poach our best schools, and remain above us.

I tell you what though, no PAC school will be on television anymore. Just let that sink in for a minute. It's an unbelievably bad turn of events for that conference

As unlikely as that hypothetical situation is, you do realize that a merger like that would most certainly put 100% of OUR games on ESPN+/Apple and all the PAC games would end up on ESPN.

(08-01-2023 10:20 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

Random twitter account but has been correct on a few things in the past and aligns with what I've seen elsewhere.

If true .. gonna be hard to pull a new school in for 10 mil .. especially MWC schools with 30M+ buyouts

That's the sticking point with the MWC schools. May have to limp along with 2 AAC adds at 10 schools until SDSU and one other get added a year later. At $10 million, the callups will have to be banking on future built up equity for the following contract. Losing eastern and central linear spots for only a $3 million raise may hurt, but I think the AAC schools jump anyway.

(08-01-2023 11:31 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 10:20 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

Random twitter account but has been correct on a few things in the past and aligns with what I've seen elsewhere.

If true .. gonna be hard to pull a new school in for 10 mil .. especially MWC schools with 30M+ buyouts

This tweeter loves to throw all kind of stuff into the wall, then when he hits on some it looks like he is right.

Just wait for actual numbers, I’m over all these Tweeter experts that all they want is hits and throw out all kind of BS.

There are plenty of "experts" here as well friend. No one has the patience wait. What's worse is when they believe their own BS

(08-01-2023 02:05 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 11:31 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 10:20 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

Random twitter account but has been correct on a few things in the past and aligns with what I've seen elsewhere.

If true .. gonna be hard to pull a new school in for 10 mil .. especially MWC schools with 30M+ buyouts

This tweeter loves to throw all kind of stuff into the wall, then when he hits on some it looks like he is right.

Just wait for actual numbers, I’m over all these Tweeter experts that all they want is hits and throw out all kind of BS.

There are plenty of "experts" here as well friend. No one has the patience wait. What's worse is when they believe their own BS

The OP one was from last night, but plenty has been reported today confirming similar details.

The interesting part is the incentivized subscription part. This would be a good way to pay the bigger fanbases more.

One wild card is that the B12 has one more slot open that ESPN and Fox are committed to pay $31m. Ordinarily I don't think that Arizona and Arizona St. would split, but given B12 MBB and that much money, Arizona might jump.

If the B12 goes over that number, ESPN is contracted at $20m but Fox is not and would need to be negotiated

(08-01-2023 02:31 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  One wild card is that the B12 has one more slot open that ESPN and Fox are committed to pay $31m. Ordinarily I don't think that Arizona and Arizona St. would split, but given B12 MBB and that much money, Arizona might jump.

If the B12 goes over that number, ESPN is contracted at $20m but Fox is not and would need to be negotiated

Where are you getting the one slot from? One is what they'd need to get to round 14, but they signed a pro-rata clause with FOX, right? Can't they go to 16 if they needed to, or did Fox put a 14-team ceiling on it?

(08-01-2023 12:41 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:37 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:24 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(08-01-2023 12:17 PM)49ShadesOfGreen Wrote:  If new schools are only getting $10 million and viewship is limited to apple tv subscription I don't see any advantage for an AAC to school to join the PAC.

...and wouldn't that be contingent upon the current members of the PAC staying put? If the rest of the 4C all bail out, it would be diminished, I would assume... and if UO/Udub get the B1G call, the whole deal may be blown up...

Hmmm...So the deal is worth 20ml x9 (current members) + 10ml x 3 (newbs) = 210ml total. Am I reading that right?

Current member numbers will plummet of course.

The thought is deal is 20x up to 12. So 240 mil total. They are proposing adding 3 at 10 mil. Then they can take that extra 30 mil to bump the existing 9 up a little.. so like 23-24 mil each

Question is, is that enough to hold Arizona/St/Utah, all while the Big XII is hiking up their skirt and winking from the bar with a much larger bar tab to spend.

clt lives in Charlotte with fiber and unlimited mobile data. streaming is no issue.

how is this going to work in rural areas with dsl as the fastest option?