(08-16-2023 03:13 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

This case should be dismissed. Even for a judge that doesn’t care for Trump they would be wise to toss this because the implications for future federal officials getting entangled by a single district DA would do tremendous harm even against future Dems if they have a conservative DA looking for a name for themselves

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

That has too much common sense for the usual suspects here. Try typing in all caps for part of it, misspelling things, and using non words like “bigly”. That seems to really get through to them.

(08-16-2023 01:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

#1. So your point is moot to the subject as Fani is claiming their role was in violation of state rules and not just simply being a federal official

Trump attempting to reject electoral votes and Trump pressuring state officials to change results in no way implicates his duties as President.

Quote:#2. He wasn’t trying to wipe out millions of votes; even if VP Pence did what he wanted then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review. Federal officials making sure there was nothing illegal was going on would had been up their alley of doing their duties as federal officials

I suggest reading the Eastman plan. Apparently you have not.

Nor the Cheseboro follow up plan.

Nice shuffle and slide though.

(08-16-2023 01:48 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

Now you are throwing crap up against a wall hoping something will stick.

@petrifiedPasta ...

(08-16-2023 02:01 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

You should know if you stretch something too far, you can see right through it.

An example constructed for you to understand the issue.

Your comment is just flat out incorrect on its face.

(08-16-2023 02:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 02:35 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

I must have missed where Trump was charged in murdering his wife. Last I checked, all charges stem from the 2020 FEDERAL election.

Its also irrelevant to what we are discussing because murdering your wife could not arguably be part of your duties as president.

I suggest you read what some of you are posting.

The statement that Trump cannot be charged simply because it was done when he was POTUS is just flat incorrect.

(08-16-2023 03:40 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

That has too much common sense for the usual suspects here. Try typing in all caps for part of it, misspelling things, and using non words like “bigly”. That seems to really get through to them.

Actually it’s not common sense. Throwing out rhetoric like ‘wiping out votes of millions’ when that wasn’t the case doesn’t make it so.

(08-16-2023 03:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 02:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 02:35 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

I must have missed where Trump was charged in murdering his wife. Last I checked, all charges stem from the 2020 FEDERAL election.

Its also irrelevant to what we are discussing because murdering your wife could not arguably be part of your duties as president.

I suggest you read what some of you are posting.

The statement that Trump cannot be charged simply because it was done when he was POTUS is just flat incorrect.

Thats not what we are saying----which tells me all you've got at this point is straw man arguments. What we are saying is a state cannot charge a federal official with a crime for carrying out duties that are a reasonable part of their role in the federal government. Differing opinions are not illegal.

Right now there is a AG making a case against a Federal official that I disagree with and believe is an outlandishly improper use of the the prosecutor's resources. I believe the proper way to deal with it is to either defeat it in court of have it dismissed. If I behaved like the Democrat law enforcement arm, I would be arranging to have a conservative Federal AG charge the Georgia AG with a civil rights violation and attempt to jail him for his political actions. Cuz--thats what politics will degenerate to if we continue down this mindlessly dangerous road of using creative interpretations of law with the intent to criminally punish those who hold opposing viewpoints or speak out against government actions. This is banana republic stuff----trying to whip up creative arguments by using very selective and novel interpretations of the law in order to find a way to jail your opponent? Really? Thats what you want to support here?

(08-16-2023 04:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 02:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 02:35 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

I must have missed where Trump was charged in murdering his wife. Last I checked, all charges stem from the 2020 FEDERAL election.

Its also irrelevant to what we are discussing because murdering your wife could not arguably be part of your duties as president.

I suggest you read what some of you are posting.

The statement that Trump cannot be charged simply because it was done when he was POTUS is just flat incorrect.

Thats not what we are saying----which tells me all you've got at this point is straw man arguments. What we are saying is a state cannot charge a federal official with a crime for carrying out duties that are a reasonable part of their role in the federal government. Differing opinions are not illegal.

Right now there is a AG making a case against a Federal official that I disagree with and believe is an outlandishly improper use of the the prosecutor's resources. I believe the proper way to deal with it is to either defeat it in court of have it dismissed. If I behaved like the Democrat law enforcement arm, I would be arranging to have a conservative Federal AG charge the Georgia AG with a civil rights violation and attempt to jail him for his political actions. Cuz--thats what politics will degenerate to if we continue down this mindlessly dangerous road of using creative interpretations of law with the intent to criminally punish those who hold opposing viewpoints or speak out against government actions. This is banana republic stuff----trying to whip up creative arguments by using very selective and novel interpretations of the law in order to find a way to jail your opponent? Really? Thats what you want to support here?

AC 1
Tanq 0

(08-16-2023 03:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:40 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

That has too much common sense for the usual suspects here. Try typing in all caps for part of it, misspelling things, and using non words like “bigly”. That seems to really get through to them.

Actually it’s not common sense. Throwing out rhetoric like ‘wiping out votes of millions’ when that wasn’t the case doesn’t make it so.

There are millions of people in Georgia. Fact.
They conducted a certified an election where Joe Biden was the winner. Fact.
The electors for Joe Biden met and submitted their lawful electoral votes to be counted. Fact.
Trump had “alternate electors” meet and cast fraudulent electoral votes for trump. Fact.
Trump pressured the state officials of Georgia to “find the votes”. Fact.
Trump pressured the DOJ to “declare the election corrupt and let me and the Republican senators handle the rest. Fact.
Trump pressured Mike Pence to not count the lawful electoral votes of the state of Georgia. Fact.

If you can’t put these facts together (nothing there is even questioned by the trump legal team, hell it’s all recorded or tweets) and see that he conspired to wipe out the votes of millions of people then it may be because you have your head stuck up trumps big orange rectum and like the smell.

The point made that the president isn’t immune to prosecution by states, and that meddling in state elections isn’t the official duty of the president, is a logical and sound point.

(08-16-2023 04:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:40 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

That has too much common sense for the usual suspects here. Try typing in all caps for part of it, misspelling things, and using non words like “bigly”. That seems to really get through to them.

Actually it’s not common sense. Throwing out rhetoric like ‘wiping out votes of millions’ when that wasn’t the case doesn’t make it so.

There are millions of people in Georgia. Fact.
They conducted a certified an election where Joe Biden was the winner. Fact.
The electors for Joe Biden met and submitted their lawful electoral votes to be counted. Fact.
Trump had “alternate electors” meet and cast fraudulent electoral votes for trump. Fact.
Trump pressured the state officials of Georgia to “find the votes”. Fact.
Trump pressured the DOJ to “declare the election corrupt and let me and the Republican senators handle the rest. Fact.
Trump pressured Mike Pence to not count the lawful electoral votes of the state of Georgia. Fact.

If you can’t put these facts together (nothing there is even questioned by the trump legal team, hell it’s all recorded or tweets) and see that he conspired to wipe out the votes of millions of people then it may be because you have your head stuck up trumps big orange rectum and like the smell.

The point made that the president isn’t immune to prosecution by states, and that meddling in state elections isn’t the official duty of the president, is a logical and sound point.

- At best if Pence went through then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review and investigation.

- There are millions of GA voters who voted for Trump; the difference was 12,000 votes and if there was fraudulent proceedings then they would had been disenfranchised just as much as claims that those who voted for Biden would have made. A federal official doing their role in making sure someone isn’t being disenfranchised even if it’s to their advantage isn’t a state crime

(08-16-2023 04:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 02:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 02:35 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

I must have missed where Trump was charged in murdering his wife. Last I checked, all charges stem from the 2020 FEDERAL election.

Its also irrelevant to what we are discussing because murdering your wife could not arguably be part of your duties as president.

I suggest you read what some of you are posting.

The statement that Trump cannot be charged simply because it was done when he was POTUS is just flat incorrect.

Thats not what we are saying----which tells me all you've got at this point is straw man arguments.

Here is eagle's comments -- the one I responded to directly:

"for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS"

Quote: What we are saying is a state cannot charge a federal official with a crime for carrying out duties that are a reasonable part of their role in the federal government.

I can actually agree with that.

1. What part of the electoral voting process does the President play under any express duties of their office? The answer is zero.

2. What part of the electoral voting process does the President chief of staff play under any express duties of their office? The answer is none.

3. What part of the electoral voting process does the chief of environmental litigation at the DOJ play under any express duties of their office? The answer is none.

None under the Constitution. None under the Electoral Counting Act.

Id like to hear your bases to the above, Im curious.

The caselaw is clear, the issue of blanket 'states cant touch a federal official' *have* to be in light of their express powers and roles in that issue.

As an example, if a 2nd in charge of the OMB shot a bald eagle, there is no rational basis to tie the role of that Office of Management Bureau's actions to such a shotting, and the blanket doesnt exist.

On the other hand, if an undercover narc kills a narco in a shootout at the narco den during a raid, the state cannot charge the narc.

If the undercover narc kills some flunkie of the narco group because he didnt like their hair color, the state can absolutely charge that narc.

So ---- tell me the express powers of the President and Trump's role in trying to reject the votes of 7 particular states and how that is part and parcel of the Presidential power in the arena of 'counting electoral votes of the states'.

Just because 'someone is President' is not an answer to the above.

Quote:Differing opinions are not illegal.

Im asking you for yours. I look forward to seeing them, and a detailed answer.

Quote:Right now there is a AG making a case against a Federal official that I disagree with and believe is an outlandishly improper use of the the prosecutor's resources.

It is the Special Prosecutor, and the Special Prosecutor alone according to the DOJ rules. But please expand it willy nilly for us.

It still does not touch on the above issue mind you -- that is that the President has an exemption from state law for god knows what fk reason. All I can discern the reason is that you 'dont like the prosecution'. That doesnt qualify for the above.

Quote: I believe the proper way to deal with it is to either defeat it in court of have it dismissed.

I have zero problem affording DJT all the presumptions, and rights, afforded to any criminal defendant. The proper way to deal with it is embodied in my above sentence, and not a prejudged one of guilt, innocence, not guilty, or squawking because how 'unfair' it is that he is charged.

Quote: If I behaved like the Democrat law enforcement arm, I would be arranging to have a conservative Federal AG charge the Georgia AG with a civil rights violation and attempt to jail him for his political actions.

What civil right of Trump is being violated? Please be precise (as opposed to 'loudly and empty rhetorical style' as above.)

Quote:Cuz--thats what politics will degenerate to if we continue down this mindlessly dangerous road of using creative interpretations of law with the intent to criminally punish those who hold opposing viewpoints or speak out against government actions.

What do you propose to do with people that actually violate the law? Ignore it? Yeah, thats on deep solution.... lolz.

Quote:This is banana republic stuff----trying to whip up creative arguments by using very selective and novel interpretations of the law in order to find a way to jail your opponent? Really? Thats what you want to support here?

I dont see anything 'novel' about a charging people with a conspiracy to deprive the voters of a state of their vote. Do you?

Not *just* the generalized people of a state, but specifically the 16 people that the people of that state charged them to vote for the state in the Presidential Election, and not just 'charged' to vote for them but actually fully certified by the entirety of that state's legislature, *and* reinforced by the state judiciary.

Apparently trying to fk those people out of that voting decision by potential fraudulent actions is not such a bad thing in your book. Sounds fun.

(08-16-2023 04:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:40 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

That has too much common sense for the usual suspects here. Try typing in all caps for part of it, misspelling things, and using non words like “bigly”. That seems to really get through to them.

Actually it’s not common sense. Throwing out rhetoric like ‘wiping out votes of millions’ when that wasn’t the case doesn’t make it so.

There are millions of people in Georgia. Fact.
They conducted a certified an election where Joe Biden was the winner. Fact.
The electors for Joe Biden met and submitted their lawful electoral votes to be counted. Fact.
Trump had “alternate electors” meet and cast fraudulent electoral votes for trump. Fact.
Trump pressured the state officials of Georgia to “find the votes”. Fact.
Trump pressured the DOJ to “declare the election corrupt and let me and the Republican senators handle the rest. Fact.
Trump pressured Mike Pence to not count the lawful electoral votes of the state of Georgia. Fact.

If you can’t put these facts together (nothing there is even questioned by the trump legal team, hell it’s all recorded or tweets) and see that he conspired to wipe out the votes of millions of people then it may be because you have your head stuck up trumps big orange rectum and like the smell.

The point made that the president isn’t immune to prosecution by states, and that meddling in state elections isn’t the official duty of the president, is a logical and sound point.

So the man believed he was cheated (and according to that damning video linked above, he was) and wanted to protect the integrity of the federal election process? Sounds like he was trying to do his job to uphold the Constitution.

(08-16-2023 04:53 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:40 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

That has too much common sense for the usual suspects here. Try typing in all caps for part of it, misspelling things, and using non words like “bigly”. That seems to really get through to them.

Actually it’s not common sense. Throwing out rhetoric like ‘wiping out votes of millions’ when that wasn’t the case doesn’t make it so.

There are millions of people in Georgia. Fact.
They conducted a certified an election where Joe Biden was the winner. Fact.
The electors for Joe Biden met and submitted their lawful electoral votes to be counted. Fact.
Trump had “alternate electors” meet and cast fraudulent electoral votes for trump. Fact.
Trump pressured the state officials of Georgia to “find the votes”. Fact.
Trump pressured the DOJ to “declare the election corrupt and let me and the Republican senators handle the rest. Fact.
Trump pressured Mike Pence to not count the lawful electoral votes of the state of Georgia. Fact.

If you can’t put these facts together (nothing there is even questioned by the trump legal team, hell it’s all recorded or tweets) and see that he conspired to wipe out the votes of millions of people then it may be because you have your head stuck up trumps big orange rectum and like the smell.

The point made that the president isn’t immune to prosecution by states, and that meddling in state elections isn’t the official duty of the president, is a logical and sound point.

- At best if Pence went through then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review and investigation.

I suggest reading the Eastman memo. And the Cheesboro memo.

Eastman specifically detailed to simply throw out 84 electoral votes, and have Pence declare a victory for Trump after tossing thow 84 votes with *no* consideration by the states.

The Cheeseboro memo amplified that. And came up with the shitbird idea to emphasize simply recognizing the 'alternate electors' by fiat.

So no -- your rhetoric is incomplete and incorrect.

Further, each of the plans to delay were always capped off with 'and then we end up in the courts', and end with "we will lose 9-0 in SCOTUS".

And, as an additional cherry on top, Eastman himself described even the delay as a violation of US law in an email to Pence at 11:44 pm Jan 6 where he is begging Pence to delay the session more.

Quote:- There are millions of GA voters who voted for Trump; the difference was 12,000 votes and if there was fraudulent proceedings then they would had been disenfranchised just as much as claims that those who voted for Biden would have made. A federal official doing their role in making sure someone isn’t being disenfranchised even if it’s to their advantage isn’t a state crime

Fact 1: Trump had lost 3 different suits in Ga.
Fact 2: The Trump clown posse had petitioned the Ga legislature 3 different times to intervene.
Fact 3: On Jan 4, with the above already in thae bag, Trump himself begged the Sec State to 'find [him]' the votes to go over. He threatened that Sec State with criminal culpability in that same phone call, mind you.

Against that backdrop, the claims you make above are just shallow. The issue was settled in Georgia. End story. Period.

Yet the item in 3 goes ahead notwithstanding, *and* Trump explicitly petitions Mike Pence on the 5th and 6th to explicitly deny the Georgie electoral votes.

(08-16-2023 04:53 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:40 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

That has too much common sense for the usual suspects here. Try typing in all caps for part of it, misspelling things, and using non words like “bigly”. That seems to really get through to them.

Actually it’s not common sense. Throwing out rhetoric like ‘wiping out votes of millions’ when that wasn’t the case doesn’t make it so.

There are millions of people in Georgia. Fact.
They conducted a certified an election where Joe Biden was the winner. Fact.
The electors for Joe Biden met and submitted their lawful electoral votes to be counted. Fact.
Trump had “alternate electors” meet and cast fraudulent electoral votes for trump. Fact.
Trump pressured the state officials of Georgia to “find the votes”. Fact.
Trump pressured the DOJ to “declare the election corrupt and let me and the Republican senators handle the rest. Fact.
Trump pressured Mike Pence to not count the lawful electoral votes of the state of Georgia. Fact.

If you can’t put these facts together (nothing there is even questioned by the trump legal team, hell it’s all recorded or tweets) and see that he conspired to wipe out the votes of millions of people then it may be because you have your head stuck up trumps big orange rectum and like the smell.

The point made that the president isn’t immune to prosecution by states, and that meddling in state elections isn’t the official duty of the president, is a logical and sound point.

- At best if Pence went through then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review and investigation.

- There are millions of GA voters who voted for Trump; the difference was 12,000 votes and if there was fraudulent proceedings then they would had been disenfranchised just as much as claims that those who voted for Biden would have made. A federal official doing their role in making sure someone isn’t being disenfranchised even if it’s to their advantage isn’t a state crime

That isn’t the Cheetos job. The GA SOS certified the election, and the governor agreed, and they sent their lawful electors to be counted which the Cheeto in chief tried to undermine.. The state of GA is responsible for the state of GA election process. It isn’t up to Donald Trump to demand they “find the votes” and is most probably a crime that he did so.

(08-16-2023 05:06 PM)banker Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:40 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

That has too much common sense for the usual suspects here. Try typing in all caps for part of it, misspelling things, and using non words like “bigly”. That seems to really get through to them.

Actually it’s not common sense. Throwing out rhetoric like ‘wiping out votes of millions’ when that wasn’t the case doesn’t make it so.

There are millions of people in Georgia. Fact.
They conducted a certified an election where Joe Biden was the winner. Fact.
The electors for Joe Biden met and submitted their lawful electoral votes to be counted. Fact.
Trump had “alternate electors” meet and cast fraudulent electoral votes for trump. Fact.
Trump pressured the state officials of Georgia to “find the votes”. Fact.
Trump pressured the DOJ to “declare the election corrupt and let me and the Republican senators handle the rest. Fact.
Trump pressured Mike Pence to not count the lawful electoral votes of the state of Georgia. Fact.

If you can’t put these facts together (nothing there is even questioned by the trump legal team, hell it’s all recorded or tweets) and see that he conspired to wipe out the votes of millions of people then it may be because you have your head stuck up trumps big orange rectum and like the smell.

The point made that the president isn’t immune to prosecution by states, and that meddling in state elections isn’t the official duty of the president, is a logical and sound point.

So the man believed he was cheated (and according to that damning video linked above, he was) and wanted to protect the integrity of the federal election process? Sounds like he was trying to do his job to uphold the Constitution.

More of he was trying to change the Ga electoral votes in his favor *after* all means were exhausted there. The the point of telling his VP to break the law to do it. And threatening the GA Sec State with criminal prosecution for not finding him 11,780 votes.

And, please tell me -- what is the President's explicit role under the Constitution in the electoral college process? Or in the Electoral Counting Act?

There is no job for the President in those issues there. Imagine that. But please keep flapping those wings and chirping. Notwithstanding you being fairly adroit at not really dealing with specific facts in the 100k ft preaching you undertake above.

(08-16-2023 05:17 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:53 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:40 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  That has too much common sense for the usual suspects here. Try typing in all caps for part of it, misspelling things, and using non words like “bigly”. That seems to really get through to them.

Actually it’s not common sense. Throwing out rhetoric like ‘wiping out votes of millions’ when that wasn’t the case doesn’t make it so.

There are millions of people in Georgia. Fact.
They conducted a certified an election where Joe Biden was the winner. Fact.
The electors for Joe Biden met and submitted their lawful electoral votes to be counted. Fact.
Trump had “alternate electors” meet and cast fraudulent electoral votes for trump. Fact.
Trump pressured the state officials of Georgia to “find the votes”. Fact.
Trump pressured the DOJ to “declare the election corrupt and let me and the Republican senators handle the rest. Fact.
Trump pressured Mike Pence to not count the lawful electoral votes of the state of Georgia. Fact.

If you can’t put these facts together (nothing there is even questioned by the trump legal team, hell it’s all recorded or tweets) and see that he conspired to wipe out the votes of millions of people then it may be because you have your head stuck up trumps big orange rectum and like the smell.

The point made that the president isn’t immune to prosecution by states, and that meddling in state elections isn’t the official duty of the president, is a logical and sound point.

- At best if Pence went through then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review and investigation.

- There are millions of GA voters who voted for Trump; the difference was 12,000 votes and if there was fraudulent proceedings then they would had been disenfranchised just as much as claims that those who voted for Biden would have made. A federal official doing their role in making sure someone isn’t being disenfranchised even if it’s to their advantage isn’t a state crime

That isn’t the Cheetos job. The GA SOS certified the election, and the governor agreed, and they sent their lawful electors to be counted which the Cheeto in chief tried to undermine.. The state of GA is responsible for the state of GA election process. It isn’t up to Donald Trump to demand they “find the votes” and is most probably a crime that he did so.

Sad. Bigly.

Cheeto



Dipshites are mental over Trump

I love it

(08-16-2023 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:53 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:40 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  That has too much common sense for the usual suspects here. Try typing in all caps for part of it, misspelling things, and using non words like “bigly”. That seems to really get through to them.

Actually it’s not common sense. Throwing out rhetoric like ‘wiping out votes of millions’ when that wasn’t the case doesn’t make it so.

There are millions of people in Georgia. Fact.
They conducted a certified an election where Joe Biden was the winner. Fact.
The electors for Joe Biden met and submitted their lawful electoral votes to be counted. Fact.
Trump had “alternate electors” meet and cast fraudulent electoral votes for trump. Fact.
Trump pressured the state officials of Georgia to “find the votes”. Fact.
Trump pressured the DOJ to “declare the election corrupt and let me and the Republican senators handle the rest. Fact.
Trump pressured Mike Pence to not count the lawful electoral votes of the state of Georgia. Fact.

If you can’t put these facts together (nothing there is even questioned by the trump legal team, hell it’s all recorded or tweets) and see that he conspired to wipe out the votes of millions of people then it may be because you have your head stuck up trumps big orange rectum and like the smell.

The point made that the president isn’t immune to prosecution by states, and that meddling in state elections isn’t the official duty of the president, is a logical and sound point.

- At best if Pence went through then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review and investigation.

I suggest reading the Eastman memo. And the Cheesboro memo.

Eastman specifically detailed to simply throw out 84 electoral votes, and have Pence declare a victory for Trump after tossing thow 84 votes with *no* consideration by the states.

The Cheeseboro memo amplified that. And came up with the shitbird idea to emphasize simply recognizing the 'alternate electors' by fiat.

So no -- your rhetoric is incomplete and incorrect.

Further, each of the plans to delay were always capped off with 'and then we end up in the courts', and end with "we will lose 9-0 in SCOTUS".

And, as an additional cherry on top, Eastman himself described even the delay as a violation of US law in an email to Pence at 11:44 pm Jan 6 where he is begging Pence to delay the session more.

Quote:- There are millions of GA voters who voted for Trump; the difference was 12,000 votes and if there was fraudulent proceedings then they would had been disenfranchised just as much as claims that those who voted for Biden would have made. A federal official doing their role in making sure someone isn’t being disenfranchised even if it’s to their advantage isn’t a state crime

Fact 1: Trump had lost 3 different suits in Ga.
Fact 2: The Trump clown posse had petitioned the Ga legislature 3 different times to intervene.
Fact 3: On Jan 4, with the above already in thae bag, Trump himself begged the Sec State to 'find [him]' the votes to go over. He threatened that Sec State with criminal culpability in that same phone call, mind you.

Against that backdrop, the claims you make above are just shallow. The issue was settled in Georgia. End story. Period.

Yet the item in 3 goes ahead notwithstanding, *and* Trump explicitly petitions Mike Pence on the 5th and 6th to explicitly deny the Georgie electoral votes.

Just as I thought. You actually believe this silly "theory" and apparently are for the creative use of the law to attack political opponents as long as its someone you dislike. Despite your wild flailing about, nothing about this case is common, typical, reasonable, or with any historical precedent---and you know it.

From where I sit, all Trump did is try to convince people that he was correct that fraud existed and he wanted the Georgia officials to help him get the time to check for it as well as help investigating for fraud. We call that free speech and politics. Frankly, Im all but certain there was fraud. Was it enough to swing the election? Who knows. Even to this date there has still been no labor intensive attempt to verify the authenticity of a large batch of mail in ballots in the suspicious districts.

(08-16-2023 05:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:53 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Actually it’s not common sense. Throwing out rhetoric like ‘wiping out votes of millions’ when that wasn’t the case doesn’t make it so.

There are millions of people in Georgia. Fact.
They conducted a certified an election where Joe Biden was the winner. Fact.
The electors for Joe Biden met and submitted their lawful electoral votes to be counted. Fact.
Trump had “alternate electors” meet and cast fraudulent electoral votes for trump. Fact.
Trump pressured the state officials of Georgia to “find the votes”. Fact.
Trump pressured the DOJ to “declare the election corrupt and let me and the Republican senators handle the rest. Fact.
Trump pressured Mike Pence to not count the lawful electoral votes of the state of Georgia. Fact.

If you can’t put these facts together (nothing there is even questioned by the trump legal team, hell it’s all recorded or tweets) and see that he conspired to wipe out the votes of millions of people then it may be because you have your head stuck up trumps big orange rectum and like the smell.

The point made that the president isn’t immune to prosecution by states, and that meddling in state elections isn’t the official duty of the president, is a logical and sound point.

- At best if Pence went through then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review and investigation.

I suggest reading the Eastman memo. And the Cheesboro memo.

Eastman specifically detailed to simply throw out 84 electoral votes, and have Pence declare a victory for Trump after tossing thow 84 votes with *no* consideration by the states.

The Cheeseboro memo amplified that. And came up with the shitbird idea to emphasize simply recognizing the 'alternate electors' by fiat.

So no -- your rhetoric is incomplete and incorrect.

Further, each of the plans to delay were always capped off with 'and then we end up in the courts', and end with "we will lose 9-0 in SCOTUS".

And, as an additional cherry on top, Eastman himself described even the delay as a violation of US law in an email to Pence at 11:44 pm Jan 6 where he is begging Pence to delay the session more.

Quote:- There are millions of GA voters who voted for Trump; the difference was 12,000 votes and if there was fraudulent proceedings then they would had been disenfranchised just as much as claims that those who voted for Biden would have made. A federal official doing their role in making sure someone isn’t being disenfranchised even if it’s to their advantage isn’t a state crime

Fact 1: Trump had lost 3 different suits in Ga.
Fact 2: The Trump clown posse had petitioned the Ga legislature 3 different times to intervene.
Fact 3: On Jan 4, with the above already in thae bag, Trump himself begged the Sec State to 'find [him]' the votes to go over. He threatened that Sec State with criminal culpability in that same phone call, mind you.

Against that backdrop, the claims you make above are just shallow. The issue was settled in Georgia. End story. Period.

Yet the item in 3 goes ahead notwithstanding, *and* Trump explicitly petitions Mike Pence on the 5th and 6th to explicitly deny the Georgie electoral votes.

Just as I thought. You actually believe this silly "theory" and apparently are for the creative use of the law to attack political opponents as long as its someone you dislike. Despite your wild flailing about, nothing about this case is common, typical, reasonable, or with any historical precedent---and you know it.

From where I sit, all Trump did is try to convince people that he was correct that fraud existed and he wanted the Georgia officials to help him get the time to check for it as well as help investigating for fraud. We call that free speech and politics. Frankly, Im all but certain there was fraud. Was it enough to swing the election? Who knows. Even to this date there has still been no labor intensive attempt to verify the authenticity of a large batch of mail in ballots in the suspicious districts.

That might be an explanation if the Eastman plan and Cheeseboro memo werent around that detailed that it was not.

But please ignore them in their entirety. Yay.

Damn facts, I guess.

As for the bolded, that was *not* what he asked Pence to do, nor was it what he begged/ asked/ threatened/ cajoled Raffensberger to do.

There is no 'you have to get me time' in the Raffensberger phone call. None, zero, zilch, nada. There *was* 'find me 11,780 votes', and there was the threat of criminal action by Trump to the Ga. Sec State.

And again -- a direct quote from Pence: "Frankly, the day before January 6, [the President and his lawyers] ..... said, ‘We want you to reject votes' outright. They were asking me to overturn the election. I had no right to overturn the election.”

But please make some more stuff up to make your point. Any more facts you want to ignore in lieu of empty rhetorical comments?

And it is not horribly creative to employ fraud law to describe those attempts, nor the attempts to use non-official documentation to violate civil rights. Nor creative to employ many of the other laws in the blatant attempts to get state officials to employ extralegal means to wipe out not just electoral votes directly, but the votes of the underlying citizens.

This Mr Magoo level crap is kind of like me drawing up a transfer deed to my neighbor's house in crayon and presenting it as valid. Then trying to threaten or talk the county clerk into accepting an obvious forgery that has *no* indication of any official state action as the real deal. Then trying to talk the county into simply 'holding off' making a further determination of the matter.

It is really that simple. Notwithstanding all the wing flapping.

What planet did you come from?

(08-16-2023 05:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:53 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Actually it’s not common sense. Throwing out rhetoric like ‘wiping out votes of millions’ when that wasn’t the case doesn’t make it so.

There are millions of people in Georgia. Fact.
They conducted a certified an election where Joe Biden was the winner. Fact.
The electors for Joe Biden met and submitted their lawful electoral votes to be counted. Fact.
Trump had “alternate electors” meet and cast fraudulent electoral votes for trump. Fact.
Trump pressured the state officials of Georgia to “find the votes”. Fact.
Trump pressured the DOJ to “declare the election corrupt and let me and the Republican senators handle the rest. Fact.
Trump pressured Mike Pence to not count the lawful electoral votes of the state of Georgia. Fact.

If you can’t put these facts together (nothing there is even questioned by the trump legal team, hell it’s all recorded or tweets) and see that he conspired to wipe out the votes of millions of people then it may be because you have your head stuck up trumps big orange rectum and like the smell.

The point made that the president isn’t immune to prosecution by states, and that meddling in state elections isn’t the official duty of the president, is a logical and sound point.

- At best if Pence went through then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review and investigation.

I suggest reading the Eastman memo. And the Cheesboro memo.

Eastman specifically detailed to simply throw out 84 electoral votes, and have Pence declare a victory for Trump after tossing thow 84 votes with *no* consideration by the states.

The Cheeseboro memo amplified that. And came up with the shitbird idea to emphasize simply recognizing the 'alternate electors' by fiat.

So no -- your rhetoric is incomplete and incorrect.

Further, each of the plans to delay were always capped off with 'and then we end up in the courts', and end with "we will lose 9-0 in SCOTUS".

And, as an additional cherry on top, Eastman himself described even the delay as a violation of US law in an email to Pence at 11:44 pm Jan 6 where he is begging Pence to delay the session more.

Quote:- There are millions of GA voters who voted for Trump; the difference was 12,000 votes and if there was fraudulent proceedings then they would had been disenfranchised just as much as claims that those who voted for Biden would have made. A federal official doing their role in making sure someone isn’t being disenfranchised even if it’s to their advantage isn’t a state crime

Fact 1: Trump had lost 3 different suits in Ga.
Fact 2: The Trump clown posse had petitioned the Ga legislature 3 different times to intervene.
Fact 3: On Jan 4, with the above already in thae bag, Trump himself begged the Sec State to 'find [him]' the votes to go over. He threatened that Sec State with criminal culpability in that same phone call, mind you.

Against that backdrop, the claims you make above are just shallow. The issue was settled in Georgia. End story. Period.

Yet the item in 3 goes ahead notwithstanding, *and* Trump explicitly petitions Mike Pence on the 5th and 6th to explicitly deny the Georgie electoral votes.

Just as I thought. You actually believe this silly "theory" and apparently are for the creative use of the law to attack political opponents as long as its someone you dislike. Despite your wild flailing about, nothing about this case is common, typical, reasonable, or with any historical precedent---and you know it.

From where I sit, all Trump did is try to convince people that he was correct that fraud existed and he wanted the Georgia officials to help him get the time to check for it as well as help investigating for fraud. We call that free speech and politics. Frankly, Im all but certain there was fraud. Was it enough to swing the election? Who knows. Even to this date there has still been no labor intensive attempt to verify the authenticity of a large batch of mail in ballots in the suspicious districts.

Trump wrote his election speech complaining about voter fraud on Halloween. It is clear that he was going to cry fraud no matter what if they called the election against him.

Hell, his lawyer told him that either option they were pressuring Pence on was illegal, and they continued ahead to pressure Pence public ally to break the law. He pressured the VP to violate the constitution publicly. In the 1800s they would have put him on a ship to France and told him not to come back.

Good news is that y’all wanted trump to get a chance to prove his case in court (the 60+ cases “don’t count”). Now he has it, one of the things he is charged with is lying about specific claims of election fraud at Georgia SOS during the “find me the votes call”. All trump has to do is prove those claims were true and that charge goes away.

Everyone with enough brain cells to beat forest gump at scrabble knows Trump can’t prove those claims, but it is going to be hilarious to watch him try. Georgia SOS investigations will continue to shred them.