(08-16-2023 05:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Even to this date there has still been no labor intensive attempt to verify the authenticity of a large batch of mail in ballots in the suspicious districts.

I guess that swarm of Trump attorneys all have polio or something. Maybe they should do that. When they unearth that secret lode of treasure from the location of the lost ark of the covenant, make sure and tell us all. Im not holding my breath on that.

I guess oh and seventy isnt a horribly good start in that direction.

(08-16-2023 06:34 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:53 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  There are millions of people in Georgia. Fact.
They conducted a certified an election where Joe Biden was the winner. Fact.
The electors for Joe Biden met and submitted their lawful electoral votes to be counted. Fact.
Trump had “alternate electors” meet and cast fraudulent electoral votes for trump. Fact.
Trump pressured the state officials of Georgia to “find the votes”. Fact.
Trump pressured the DOJ to “declare the election corrupt and let me and the Republican senators handle the rest. Fact.
Trump pressured Mike Pence to not count the lawful electoral votes of the state of Georgia. Fact.

If you can’t put these facts together (nothing there is even questioned by the trump legal team, hell it’s all recorded or tweets) and see that he conspired to wipe out the votes of millions of people then it may be because you have your head stuck up trumps big orange rectum and like the smell.

The point made that the president isn’t immune to prosecution by states, and that meddling in state elections isn’t the official duty of the president, is a logical and sound point.

- At best if Pence went through then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review and investigation.

I suggest reading the Eastman memo. And the Cheesboro memo.

Eastman specifically detailed to simply throw out 84 electoral votes, and have Pence declare a victory for Trump after tossing thow 84 votes with *no* consideration by the states.

The Cheeseboro memo amplified that. And came up with the shitbird idea to emphasize simply recognizing the 'alternate electors' by fiat.

So no -- your rhetoric is incomplete and incorrect.

Further, each of the plans to delay were always capped off with 'and then we end up in the courts', and end with "we will lose 9-0 in SCOTUS".

And, as an additional cherry on top, Eastman himself described even the delay as a violation of US law in an email to Pence at 11:44 pm Jan 6 where he is begging Pence to delay the session more.

Quote:- There are millions of GA voters who voted for Trump; the difference was 12,000 votes and if there was fraudulent proceedings then they would had been disenfranchised just as much as claims that those who voted for Biden would have made. A federal official doing their role in making sure someone isn’t being disenfranchised even if it’s to their advantage isn’t a state crime

Fact 1: Trump had lost 3 different suits in Ga.
Fact 2: The Trump clown posse had petitioned the Ga legislature 3 different times to intervene.
Fact 3: On Jan 4, with the above already in thae bag, Trump himself begged the Sec State to 'find [him]' the votes to go over. He threatened that Sec State with criminal culpability in that same phone call, mind you.

Against that backdrop, the claims you make above are just shallow. The issue was settled in Georgia. End story. Period.

Yet the item in 3 goes ahead notwithstanding, *and* Trump explicitly petitions Mike Pence on the 5th and 6th to explicitly deny the Georgie electoral votes.

Just as I thought. You actually believe this silly "theory" and apparently are for the creative use of the law to attack political opponents as long as its someone you dislike. Despite your wild flailing about, nothing about this case is common, typical, reasonable, or with any historical precedent---and you know it.

From where I sit, all Trump did is try to convince people that he was correct that fraud existed and he wanted the Georgia officials to help him get the time to check for it as well as help investigating for fraud. We call that free speech and politics. Frankly, Im all but certain there was fraud. Was it enough to swing the election? Who knows. Even to this date there has still been no labor intensive attempt to verify the authenticity of a large batch of mail in ballots in the suspicious districts.

Trump wrote his election speech complaining about voter fraud on Halloween. It is clear that he was going to cry fraud no matter what if they called the election against him.

Hell, his lawyer told him that either option they were pressuring Pence on was illegal, and they continued ahead to pressure Pence public ally to break the law. He pressured the VP to violate the constitution publicly. In the 1800s they would have put him on a ship to France and told him not to come back.

Good news is that y’all wanted trump to get a chance to prove his case in court (the 60+ cases “don’t count”). Now he has it, one of the things he is charged with is lying about specific claims of election fraud at Georgia SOS during the “find me the votes call”. All trump has to do is prove those claims were true and that charge goes away.

Everyone with enough brain cells to beat forest gump at scrabble knows Trump can’t prove those claims, but it is going to be hilarious to watch him try. Georgia SOS investigations will continue to shred them.

Ok Avenatti. Got thr goods. Buckle up in

(08-16-2023 06:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 06:34 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:53 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  - At best if Pence went through then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review and investigation.

I suggest reading the Eastman memo. And the Cheesboro memo.

Eastman specifically detailed to simply throw out 84 electoral votes, and have Pence declare a victory for Trump after tossing thow 84 votes with *no* consideration by the states.

The Cheeseboro memo amplified that. And came up with the shitbird idea to emphasize simply recognizing the 'alternate electors' by fiat.

So no -- your rhetoric is incomplete and incorrect.

Further, each of the plans to delay were always capped off with 'and then we end up in the courts', and end with "we will lose 9-0 in SCOTUS".

And, as an additional cherry on top, Eastman himself described even the delay as a violation of US law in an email to Pence at 11:44 pm Jan 6 where he is begging Pence to delay the session more.

Quote:- There are millions of GA voters who voted for Trump; the difference was 12,000 votes and if there was fraudulent proceedings then they would had been disenfranchised just as much as claims that those who voted for Biden would have made. A federal official doing their role in making sure someone isn’t being disenfranchised even if it’s to their advantage isn’t a state crime

Fact 1: Trump had lost 3 different suits in Ga.
Fact 2: The Trump clown posse had petitioned the Ga legislature 3 different times to intervene.
Fact 3: On Jan 4, with the above already in thae bag, Trump himself begged the Sec State to 'find [him]' the votes to go over. He threatened that Sec State with criminal culpability in that same phone call, mind you.

Against that backdrop, the claims you make above are just shallow. The issue was settled in Georgia. End story. Period.

Yet the item in 3 goes ahead notwithstanding, *and* Trump explicitly petitions Mike Pence on the 5th and 6th to explicitly deny the Georgie electoral votes.

Just as I thought. You actually believe this silly "theory" and apparently are for the creative use of the law to attack political opponents as long as its someone you dislike. Despite your wild flailing about, nothing about this case is common, typical, reasonable, or with any historical precedent---and you know it.

From where I sit, all Trump did is try to convince people that he was correct that fraud existed and he wanted the Georgia officials to help him get the time to check for it as well as help investigating for fraud. We call that free speech and politics. Frankly, Im all but certain there was fraud. Was it enough to swing the election? Who knows. Even to this date there has still been no labor intensive attempt to verify the authenticity of a large batch of mail in ballots in the suspicious districts.

Trump wrote his election speech complaining about voter fraud on Halloween. It is clear that he was going to cry fraud no matter what if they called the election against him.

Hell, his lawyer told him that either option they were pressuring Pence on was illegal, and they continued ahead to pressure Pence public ally to break the law. He pressured the VP to violate the constitution publicly. In the 1800s they would have put him on a ship to France and told him not to come back.

Good news is that y’all wanted trump to get a chance to prove his case in court (the 60+ cases “don’t count”). Now he has it, one of the things he is charged with is lying about specific claims of election fraud at Georgia SOS during the “find me the votes call”. All trump has to do is prove those claims were true and that charge goes away.

Everyone with enough brain cells to beat forest gump at scrabble knows Trump can’t prove those claims, but it is going to be hilarious to watch him try. Georgia SOS investigations will continue to shred them.

Ok Avenatti. Got thr goods. Buckle up in

Empty garbage rhetoric, no facts underlying it, and some name calling built in.

Kind of a prototypical shere post..... lolz.

(08-16-2023 06:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:53 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  There are millions of people in Georgia. Fact.
They conducted a certified an election where Joe Biden was the winner. Fact.
The electors for Joe Biden met and submitted their lawful electoral votes to be counted. Fact.
Trump had “alternate electors” meet and cast fraudulent electoral votes for trump. Fact.
Trump pressured the state officials of Georgia to “find the votes”. Fact.
Trump pressured the DOJ to “declare the election corrupt and let me and the Republican senators handle the rest. Fact.
Trump pressured Mike Pence to not count the lawful electoral votes of the state of Georgia. Fact.

If you can’t put these facts together (nothing there is even questioned by the trump legal team, hell it’s all recorded or tweets) and see that he conspired to wipe out the votes of millions of people then it may be because you have your head stuck up trumps big orange rectum and like the smell.

The point made that the president isn’t immune to prosecution by states, and that meddling in state elections isn’t the official duty of the president, is a logical and sound point.

- At best if Pence went through then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review and investigation.

I suggest reading the Eastman memo. And the Cheesboro memo.

Eastman specifically detailed to simply throw out 84 electoral votes, and have Pence declare a victory for Trump after tossing thow 84 votes with *no* consideration by the states.

The Cheeseboro memo amplified that. And came up with the shitbird idea to emphasize simply recognizing the 'alternate electors' by fiat.

So no -- your rhetoric is incomplete and incorrect.

Further, each of the plans to delay were always capped off with 'and then we end up in the courts', and end with "we will lose 9-0 in SCOTUS".

And, as an additional cherry on top, Eastman himself described even the delay as a violation of US law in an email to Pence at 11:44 pm Jan 6 where he is begging Pence to delay the session more.

Quote:- There are millions of GA voters who voted for Trump; the difference was 12,000 votes and if there was fraudulent proceedings then they would had been disenfranchised just as much as claims that those who voted for Biden would have made. A federal official doing their role in making sure someone isn’t being disenfranchised even if it’s to their advantage isn’t a state crime

Fact 1: Trump had lost 3 different suits in Ga.
Fact 2: The Trump clown posse had petitioned the Ga legislature 3 different times to intervene.
Fact 3: On Jan 4, with the above already in thae bag, Trump himself begged the Sec State to 'find [him]' the votes to go over. He threatened that Sec State with criminal culpability in that same phone call, mind you.

Against that backdrop, the claims you make above are just shallow. The issue was settled in Georgia. End story. Period.

Yet the item in 3 goes ahead notwithstanding, *and* Trump explicitly petitions Mike Pence on the 5th and 6th to explicitly deny the Georgie electoral votes.

Just as I thought. You actually believe this silly "theory" and apparently are for the creative use of the law to attack political opponents as long as its someone you dislike. Despite your wild flailing about, nothing about this case is common, typical, reasonable, or with any historical precedent---and you know it.

From where I sit, all Trump did is try to convince people that he was correct that fraud existed and he wanted the Georgia officials to help him get the time to check for it as well as help investigating for fraud. We call that free speech and politics. Frankly, Im all but certain there was fraud. Was it enough to swing the election? Who knows. Even to this date there has still been no labor intensive attempt to verify the authenticity of a large batch of mail in ballots in the suspicious districts.

That might be an explanation if the Eastman plan and Cheeseboro memo werent around that detailed that it was not.

But please ignore them in their entirety. Yay.

Damn facts, I guess.

As for the bolded, that was *not* what he asked Pence to do, nor was it what he begged/ asked/ threatened/ cajoled Raffensberger to do.

There is no 'you have to get me time' in the Raffensberger phone call. None, zero, zilch, nada. There *was* 'find me 11,780 votes', and there was the threat of criminal action by Trump to the Ga. Sec State.

And again -- a direct quote from Pence: "Frankly, the day before January 6, [the President and his lawyers] ..... said, ‘We want you to reject votes' outright. They were asking me to overturn the election. I had no right to overturn the election.”

But please make some more stuff up to make your point. Any more facts you want to ignore in lieu of empty rhetorical comments?

And it is not horribly creative to employ fraud law to describe those attempts, nor the attempts to use non-official documentation to violate civil rights. Nor creative to employ many of the other laws in the blatant attempts to get state officials to employ extralegal means to wipe out not just electoral votes directly, but the votes of the underlying citizens.

This Mr Magoo level crap is kind of like me drawing up a transfer deed to my neighbor's house in crayon and presenting it as valid. Then trying to threaten or talk the county clerk into accepting an obvious forgery that has *no* indication of any official state action as the real deal. Then trying to talk the county into simply 'holding off' making a further determination of the matter.

It is really that simple. Notwithstanding all the wing flapping.

What planet did you come from?

So let me see here, you are stating that anything written on a piece of paper makes it a Fact. Do I have that right ? Because if you are your whole Case is built on what someone wrote down on a memo.

(08-16-2023 06:59 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 06:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:53 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  - At best if Pence went through then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review and investigation.

I suggest reading the Eastman memo. And the Cheesboro memo.

Eastman specifically detailed to simply throw out 84 electoral votes, and have Pence declare a victory for Trump after tossing thow 84 votes with *no* consideration by the states.

The Cheeseboro memo amplified that. And came up with the shitbird idea to emphasize simply recognizing the 'alternate electors' by fiat.

So no -- your rhetoric is incomplete and incorrect.

Further, each of the plans to delay were always capped off with 'and then we end up in the courts', and end with "we will lose 9-0 in SCOTUS".

And, as an additional cherry on top, Eastman himself described even the delay as a violation of US law in an email to Pence at 11:44 pm Jan 6 where he is begging Pence to delay the session more.

Quote:- There are millions of GA voters who voted for Trump; the difference was 12,000 votes and if there was fraudulent proceedings then they would had been disenfranchised just as much as claims that those who voted for Biden would have made. A federal official doing their role in making sure someone isn’t being disenfranchised even if it’s to their advantage isn’t a state crime

Fact 1: Trump had lost 3 different suits in Ga.
Fact 2: The Trump clown posse had petitioned the Ga legislature 3 different times to intervene.
Fact 3: On Jan 4, with the above already in thae bag, Trump himself begged the Sec State to 'find [him]' the votes to go over. He threatened that Sec State with criminal culpability in that same phone call, mind you.

Against that backdrop, the claims you make above are just shallow. The issue was settled in Georgia. End story. Period.

Yet the item in 3 goes ahead notwithstanding, *and* Trump explicitly petitions Mike Pence on the 5th and 6th to explicitly deny the Georgie electoral votes.

Just as I thought. You actually believe this silly "theory" and apparently are for the creative use of the law to attack political opponents as long as its someone you dislike. Despite your wild flailing about, nothing about this case is common, typical, reasonable, or with any historical precedent---and you know it.

From where I sit, all Trump did is try to convince people that he was correct that fraud existed and he wanted the Georgia officials to help him get the time to check for it as well as help investigating for fraud. We call that free speech and politics. Frankly, Im all but certain there was fraud. Was it enough to swing the election? Who knows. Even to this date there has still been no labor intensive attempt to verify the authenticity of a large batch of mail in ballots in the suspicious districts.

That might be an explanation if the Eastman plan and Cheeseboro memo werent around that detailed that it was not.

But please ignore them in their entirety. Yay.

Damn facts, I guess.

As for the bolded, that was *not* what he asked Pence to do, nor was it what he begged/ asked/ threatened/ cajoled Raffensberger to do.

There is no 'you have to get me time' in the Raffensberger phone call. None, zero, zilch, nada. There *was* 'find me 11,780 votes', and there was the threat of criminal action by Trump to the Ga. Sec State.

And again -- a direct quote from Pence: "Frankly, the day before January 6, [the President and his lawyers] ..... said, ‘We want you to reject votes' outright. They were asking me to overturn the election. I had no right to overturn the election.”

But please make some more stuff up to make your point. Any more facts you want to ignore in lieu of empty rhetorical comments?

And it is not horribly creative to employ fraud law to describe those attempts, nor the attempts to use non-official documentation to violate civil rights. Nor creative to employ many of the other laws in the blatant attempts to get state officials to employ extralegal means to wipe out not just electoral votes directly, but the votes of the underlying citizens.

This Mr Magoo level crap is kind of like me drawing up a transfer deed to my neighbor's house in crayon and presenting it as valid. Then trying to threaten or talk the county clerk into accepting an obvious forgery that has *no* indication of any official state action as the real deal. Then trying to talk the county into simply 'holding off' making a further determination of the matter.

It is really that simple. Notwithstanding all the wing flapping.

What planet did you come from?

So let me see here, you are stating that anything written on a piece of paper makes it a Fact. Do I have that right ? Because if you are your whole Case is built on what someone wrote down on a memo.

You are starting to get the point. Yes, writing down your illegal plan to interrupt the transfer of power (documenting it for the prosecutors) is generally considered “bigly bad” in the legal world.

These aren’t memos that people wrote about the trump team, these are their internal documents that are evidence about the intent of their actions and their knowledge that they were illegal when they did them.

(08-16-2023 03:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

#1. So your point is moot to the subject as Fani is claiming their role was in violation of state rules and not just simply being a federal official

Trump attempting to reject electoral votes and Trump pressuring state officials to change results in no way implicates his duties as President.

Quote:#2. He wasn’t trying to wipe out millions of votes; even if VP Pence did what he wanted then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review. Federal officials making sure there was nothing illegal was going on would had been up their alley of doing their duties as federal officials

I suggest reading the Eastman plan. Apparently you have not.

Nor the Cheseboro follow up plan.

Nice shuffle and slide though.

Hey Tanq, you got new buddies! Elvis is in the house! Your team is the Mensa’s of the board. They think you’re the greatest. Good company you got there.

(08-16-2023 07:10 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 06:59 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 06:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I suggest reading the Eastman memo. And the Cheesboro memo.

Eastman specifically detailed to simply throw out 84 electoral votes, and have Pence declare a victory for Trump after tossing thow 84 votes with *no* consideration by the states.

The Cheeseboro memo amplified that. And came up with the shitbird idea to emphasize simply recognizing the 'alternate electors' by fiat.

So no -- your rhetoric is incomplete and incorrect.

Further, each of the plans to delay were always capped off with 'and then we end up in the courts', and end with "we will lose 9-0 in SCOTUS".

And, as an additional cherry on top, Eastman himself described even the delay as a violation of US law in an email to Pence at 11:44 pm Jan 6 where he is begging Pence to delay the session more.


Fact 1: Trump had lost 3 different suits in Ga.
Fact 2: The Trump clown posse had petitioned the Ga legislature 3 different times to intervene.
Fact 3: On Jan 4, with the above already in thae bag, Trump himself begged the Sec State to 'find [him]' the votes to go over. He threatened that Sec State with criminal culpability in that same phone call, mind you.

Against that backdrop, the claims you make above are just shallow. The issue was settled in Georgia. End story. Period.

Yet the item in 3 goes ahead notwithstanding, *and* Trump explicitly petitions Mike Pence on the 5th and 6th to explicitly deny the Georgie electoral votes.

Just as I thought. You actually believe this silly "theory" and apparently are for the creative use of the law to attack political opponents as long as its someone you dislike. Despite your wild flailing about, nothing about this case is common, typical, reasonable, or with any historical precedent---and you know it.

From where I sit, all Trump did is try to convince people that he was correct that fraud existed and he wanted the Georgia officials to help him get the time to check for it as well as help investigating for fraud. We call that free speech and politics. Frankly, Im all but certain there was fraud. Was it enough to swing the election? Who knows. Even to this date there has still been no labor intensive attempt to verify the authenticity of a large batch of mail in ballots in the suspicious districts.

That might be an explanation if the Eastman plan and Cheeseboro memo werent around that detailed that it was not.

But please ignore them in their entirety. Yay.

Damn facts, I guess.

As for the bolded, that was *not* what he asked Pence to do, nor was it what he begged/ asked/ threatened/ cajoled Raffensberger to do.

There is no 'you have to get me time' in the Raffensberger phone call. None, zero, zilch, nada. There *was* 'find me 11,780 votes', and there was the threat of criminal action by Trump to the Ga. Sec State.

And again -- a direct quote from Pence: "Frankly, the day before January 6, [the President and his lawyers] ..... said, ‘We want you to reject votes' outright. They were asking me to overturn the election. I had no right to overturn the election.”

But please make some more stuff up to make your point. Any more facts you want to ignore in lieu of empty rhetorical comments?

And it is not horribly creative to employ fraud law to describe those attempts, nor the attempts to use non-official documentation to violate civil rights. Nor creative to employ many of the other laws in the blatant attempts to get state officials to employ extralegal means to wipe out not just electoral votes directly, but the votes of the underlying citizens.

This Mr Magoo level crap is kind of like me drawing up a transfer deed to my neighbor's house in crayon and presenting it as valid. Then trying to threaten or talk the county clerk into accepting an obvious forgery that has *no* indication of any official state action as the real deal. Then trying to talk the county into simply 'holding off' making a further determination of the matter.

It is really that simple. Notwithstanding all the wing flapping.

What planet did you come from?

So let me see here, you are stating that anything written on a piece of paper makes it a Fact. Do I have that right ? Because if you are your whole Case is built on what someone wrote down on a memo.

You are starting to get the point. Yes, writing down your illegal plan to interrupt the transfer of power (documenting it for the prosecutors) is generally considered “bigly bad” in the legal world.

These aren’t memos that people wrote about the trump team, these are their internal documents that are evidence about the intent of their actions and their knowledge that they were illegal when they did them.

Have you seen this or those memos ? Something tells me no, you have not seen anything.

"Yes, writing down your illegal plan" are you saying that President Trump wrote the memos ?

(08-16-2023 03:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

#1. So your point is moot to the subject as Fani is claiming their role was in violation of state rules and not just simply being a federal official

Trump attempting to reject electoral votes and Trump pressuring state officials to change results in no way implicates his duties as President.

Quote:#2. He wasn’t trying to wipe out millions of votes; even if VP Pence did what he wanted then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review. Federal officials making sure there was nothing illegal was going on would had been up their alley of doing their duties as federal officials

I suggest reading the Eastman plan. Apparently you have not.

Nor the Cheseboro follow up plan.

Nice shuffle and slide though.

That’s a very good precedent you’re wanting to set there. Criminalizing political spitballing and planning among political teams. Yeah, what could go wrong with that.

Not to mention this behavior has happened frequently in the past. Never even been dreamed to be criminal.

If you want to talk criminal, maybe you should focus on these same criminals that have attempted several bloodless coups against Trump rather than joining them in this latest pathetic attempt.

So Tanq and his band of criminal law experts have explained that all of this happened before January 6 in some cases and a few short days afterward. There is no new information anywhere in this investigation to call a grand jury and get a chit load of indictments for asking people to watch TV and asking for phone numbers. Among other stupid political chit.

So my question is; why now? Are we to believe they have been tirelessly investigating for 3 years to bring these charges? Of course not. Anyone with a brain not infected by hatred knows why this was rushed through so fast they got ahead of themselves just announcing it. Those same fools will open Pandora’s Box just to get Trump. The blowback will be serious.

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

Dude, your law degree doesn't make you the genius you think it does, STFU and sit your ass down. You confirm your stupidity every time you opine on a topic. It's funny but also a bit sad. I initially thought you were someone completely different from who you have proven yourself to be time after time. It would be different if I was the only someone who felt that way about you but all one needs to do is look at the reactions you elicit from those among us with bigger brains than mine to see I'm right.

(08-16-2023 01:48 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

Now you are throwing crap up against a wall hoping something will stick.

Amazing how stupid Tang wants to make himself look. There is one way to deal with criminal acts by a president.

So, which branch of government is in charge of elections?

(08-16-2023 06:59 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 06:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:53 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  - At best if Pence went through then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review and investigation.

I suggest reading the Eastman memo. And the Cheesboro memo.

Eastman specifically detailed to simply throw out 84 electoral votes, and have Pence declare a victory for Trump after tossing thow 84 votes with *no* consideration by the states.

The Cheeseboro memo amplified that. And came up with the shitbird idea to emphasize simply recognizing the 'alternate electors' by fiat.

So no -- your rhetoric is incomplete and incorrect.

Further, each of the plans to delay were always capped off with 'and then we end up in the courts', and end with "we will lose 9-0 in SCOTUS".

And, as an additional cherry on top, Eastman himself described even the delay as a violation of US law in an email to Pence at 11:44 pm Jan 6 where he is begging Pence to delay the session more.

Quote:- There are millions of GA voters who voted for Trump; the difference was 12,000 votes and if there was fraudulent proceedings then they would had been disenfranchised just as much as claims that those who voted for Biden would have made. A federal official doing their role in making sure someone isn’t being disenfranchised even if it’s to their advantage isn’t a state crime

Fact 1: Trump had lost 3 different suits in Ga.
Fact 2: The Trump clown posse had petitioned the Ga legislature 3 different times to intervene.
Fact 3: On Jan 4, with the above already in thae bag, Trump himself begged the Sec State to 'find [him]' the votes to go over. He threatened that Sec State with criminal culpability in that same phone call, mind you.

Against that backdrop, the claims you make above are just shallow. The issue was settled in Georgia. End story. Period.

Yet the item in 3 goes ahead notwithstanding, *and* Trump explicitly petitions Mike Pence on the 5th and 6th to explicitly deny the Georgie electoral votes.

Just as I thought. You actually believe this silly "theory" and apparently are for the creative use of the law to attack political opponents as long as its someone you dislike. Despite your wild flailing about, nothing about this case is common, typical, reasonable, or with any historical precedent---and you know it.

From where I sit, all Trump did is try to convince people that he was correct that fraud existed and he wanted the Georgia officials to help him get the time to check for it as well as help investigating for fraud. We call that free speech and politics. Frankly, Im all but certain there was fraud. Was it enough to swing the election? Who knows. Even to this date there has still been no labor intensive attempt to verify the authenticity of a large batch of mail in ballots in the suspicious districts.

That might be an explanation if the Eastman plan and Cheeseboro memo werent around that detailed that it was not.

But please ignore them in their entirety. Yay.

Damn facts, I guess.

As for the bolded, that was *not* what he asked Pence to do, nor was it what he begged/ asked/ threatened/ cajoled Raffensberger to do.

There is no 'you have to get me time' in the Raffensberger phone call. None, zero, zilch, nada. There *was* 'find me 11,780 votes', and there was the threat of criminal action by Trump to the Ga. Sec State.

And again -- a direct quote from Pence: "Frankly, the day before January 6, [the President and his lawyers] ..... said, ‘We want you to reject votes' outright. They were asking me to overturn the election. I had no right to overturn the election.”

But please make some more stuff up to make your point. Any more facts you want to ignore in lieu of empty rhetorical comments?

And it is not horribly creative to employ fraud law to describe those attempts, nor the attempts to use non-official documentation to violate civil rights. Nor creative to employ many of the other laws in the blatant attempts to get state officials to employ extralegal means to wipe out not just electoral votes directly, but the votes of the underlying citizens.

This Mr Magoo level crap is kind of like me drawing up a transfer deed to my neighbor's house in crayon and presenting it as valid. Then trying to threaten or talk the county clerk into accepting an obvious forgery that has *no* indication of any official state action as the real deal. Then trying to talk the county into simply 'holding off' making a further determination of the matter.

It is really that simple. Notwithstanding all the wing flapping.

What planet did you come from?

So let me see here, you are stating that anything written on a piece of paper makes it a Fact.

Nope. Things that are written by the parties detailing what they want to do are facts of what they want to do. And the steps in those memos are backed by other actions that are in the record. Interesting, isnt it?

Quote:Do I have that right ?

Nope.

Quote:Because if you are your whole Case is built on what someone wrote down on a memo.

There are far more of them. Maybe make an effort to learn about the facts in the issue instead of empty rhetorical comments like above. Or not.

(08-16-2023 03:05 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

Dont you have some clerkin to do. No way youve ever actually won a case.

Keep going though. Dig thr hole deeper. We all need a good laugh

I bet his meat and potatoes is bankruptcy. There's no way any serious client would hire him for anything else since bankruptcy cases practically manage themselves.

(08-16-2023 03:08 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 02:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 02:35 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

I must have missed where Trump was charged in murdering his wife. Last I checked, all charges stem from the 2020 FEDERAL election.

Its also irrelevant to what we are discussing because murdering your wife could not arguably be part of your duties as president.

They should just charge Trump with murdering their dreams and hurting their feelings. That may qualify. The did try to impeach him on the hurt feelings, so not sure how well that would go.

#snicker.

(08-16-2023 03:14 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:08 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 02:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 02:35 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

I must have missed where Trump was charged in murdering his wife. Last I checked, all charges stem from the 2020 FEDERAL election.

Its also irrelevant to what we are discussing because murdering your wife could not arguably be part of your duties as president.

They should just charge Trump with murdering their dreams and hurting their feelings. That may qualify. The did try to impeach him on the hurt feelings, so not sure how well that would go.

You notice how they work. They go off to their prog filth bubbles, get their talking points, get froggy, bring that shite hear we let reality drag them across their faces.

It is so much fun.

They always leave with reeeeeeeee

Sharper minds than mine agree. Seriously, I'm like the retard in the class and even I can see what's going on here.

(08-16-2023 07:11 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

#1. So your point is moot to the subject as Fani is claiming their role was in violation of state rules and not just simply being a federal official

Trump attempting to reject electoral votes and Trump pressuring state officials to change results in no way implicates his duties as President.

Quote:#2. He wasn’t trying to wipe out millions of votes; even if VP Pence did what he wanted then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review. Federal officials making sure there was nothing illegal was going on would had been up their alley of doing their duties as federal officials

I suggest reading the Eastman plan. Apparently you have not.

Nor the Cheseboro follow up plan.

Nice shuffle and slide though.

Hey Tanq, you got new buddies! Elvis is in the house! Your team is the Mensa’s of the board. They think you’re the greatest. Good company you got there.

Triggered there, good buddy?

When you run short of facts, go straight to the 'nothing but ad homs'. Cute.

Maybe facts for once, maybe even just a little. Or not.

(08-16-2023 03:40 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

That has too much common sense for the usual suspects here. Try typing in all caps for part of it, misspelling things, and using non words like “bigly”. That seems to really get through to them.

That you think he makes salient arguments is an indictment against you and you're the only one who can't see it. Something about birds of a feather...

Stick to bragging about how much you know about guns while being all too willing to give up your 2A rights. Now, tell us all about how they are not coming for your guns, go ahead, it will be fun to watch.

(08-16-2023 03:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

#1. So your point is moot to the subject as Fani is claiming their role was in violation of state rules and not just simply being a federal official

Trump attempting to reject electoral votes and Trump pressuring state officials to change results in no way implicates his duties as President.

Quote:#2. He wasn’t trying to wipe out millions of votes; even if VP Pence did what he wanted then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review. Federal officials making sure there was nothing illegal was going on would had been up their alley of doing their duties as federal officials

I suggest reading the Eastman plan. Apparently you have not.

Nor the Cheseboro follow up plan.

Nice shuffle and slide though.

Oh look, he's throwing around cases as if they are relevant to the topic at hand. I remain underwhelmed.

(08-16-2023 04:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 02:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 02:35 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I must have missed where Trump was charged in murdering his wife. Last I checked, all charges stem from the 2020 FEDERAL election.

Its also irrelevant to what we are discussing because murdering your wife could not arguably be part of your duties as president.

I suggest you read what some of you are posting.

The statement that Trump cannot be charged simply because it was done when he was POTUS is just flat incorrect.

Thats not what we are saying----which tells me all you've got at this point is straw man arguments. What we are saying is a state cannot charge a federal official with a crime for carrying out duties that are a reasonable part of their role in the federal government. Differing opinions are not illegal.

Right now there is a AG making a case against a Federal official that I disagree with and believe is an outlandishly improper use of the the prosecutor's resources. I believe the proper way to deal with it is to either defeat it in court of have it dismissed. If I behaved like the Democrat law enforcement arm, I would be arranging to have a conservative Federal AG charge the Georgia AG with a civil rights violation and attempt to jail him for his political actions. Cuz--thats what politics will degenerate to if we continue down this mindlessly dangerous road of using creative interpretations of law with the intent to criminally punish those who hold opposing viewpoints or speak out against government actions. This is banana republic stuff----trying to whip up creative arguments by using very selective and novel interpretations of the law in order to find a way to jail your opponent? Really? Thats what you want to support here?

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