(08-30-2023 03:48 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:45 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He'll get the 46% he got in 2016 and 2020.

He'll fall to 1-2 in the career win loss record.

He's about the only candidate that can get this clown show administration another 4 years.

You honestly think Desantis, Haley, Pence, Christie, or any of them on the debate stage last week can win?!?

This guy said he would have voted Sanders over Trump. Not my words, his words so logic isn't his strong point

(08-30-2023 03:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:12 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:09 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 02:56 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Every time I hear someone say..."Trump can't win in the general", it makes me realize that the media has done a fantastic job in cementing their agenda on the small minded.

Don't necessarily disagree. But, to quote a corrupt and disgusting wretch of a woman(???)., "what difference at this point does it make?"

As I look out my office window, I see roughly two dozen folks, some making their way home early to beat traffic and others either heading to late-shift work or (for those who look like students of the downtown branch of our local community college) to evening classes. At least half of them are on their phones, either pressed to their ear or looking at their screens.

If you were of a mind to do so, oruvoice, you could step in front of every one of these folks and let them know that they are small-minded people if they don't agree with your particular political view. Most of them would just ignore you. A few might stop and respond. Depending upon how big you are, one or two of them might get confrontational.

But not a one of them are going to change their votes. Fair or not, Donald Trump is irreparably damaged goods from a reputational standpoint.

That may be true. And, a product of a corrupt media/social media.

It's now left for me to decide to vote my conscience or vote the way the media wants me to.

I'll choose the former.

I have 2 points for you:

1. Not one damn thing has been done to eliminate voter fraud in 2024.

2. If anything has been demonstrated it is that Obama and Biden appointed Judges will fall lock step in with the Party by finding some reason, bogus as it may be, to indict Trump when the Dems need to tie him up publicly.

Couple those two points and fraud will play a large part in the 2024 election because feckless Republicans have done nothing to change what's coming with more ballot harvesting due to the what will prove to be the only virus to reemerge exactly on every election year. Between Dominion programmable machines and ballot harvesting, if not outright ballot fraud, the Democrats turned out unfathomable numbers to beat what should have been a large win for Trump 3 years ago, including leads in key battleground states which all managed to evaporate under the fraud. They'll slow play this, Biden will declare another quarantine, ballots will be harvested, rolls will not have been purged, the dead will vote, and it will all happen with Trump being indicted just after he receives the Republican nomination. Then all of you will wring your hands, ***** about the election, and say it was fraud while the communist ends justify the means crowd in the other party laugh at you.

I've been there and done that, and it's shame on me if you fool me the same way twice, and that's exactly what is shaping up, and everyone is watching it, and denying it, until the damned reality slaps you in the face for 4 more years of crap show 'murica.

The hell with that!

Going by the few post I read you want anyone but Trump at this point. Well anyone of the 4 or 5 that could win on the Republican side. If its that cooked (I believe you) then why do you believe it would be any different for anyone other than Trump?

Even with the 2020 election being "cooked" it was still with in a 1% or 1.5% of vote change in those swing states. What makes you think any other person on that stage running on the republican side can pull the voters to the poll in large enough numbers?

Not one of them other than Trump Jr (honestly forget his name) is going to get the Trump blue collar vote. I dont believe any of them will get close to the number of black vote Trump pulls. Hispanic voters are swinging republican no matter who is running.

So with the cook still in place anyone other than Trump loses by a larger number if they can't pull in the blue collar or black vote that Trump did

Voter Fraud would not be any different because nothing has been done to prevent it happening again, and exactly the same damn way!

But if the Dems dropped their witch hunt of Trump and tried to indict another Republican candidate then even the morons out there would start to notice the Banana Republic we have trying to entrench itself.

Look, I'll vote Republican unless a Biden gets the Republican nomination! It's just that if it's Trump it will be DeJa'Vu all over again as Yogi Bera would say. They simply will not debate him (they'd look stupid), won't permit him to speak publicly where he is effective (the reason for all the wasted time and money on indictments) and they will make the narrative about his "alleged" crimes and not about the issues. Any other candidate can make it about the issues.

And that's how I see it and I know that's exactly what will happen because it already has happened and worked for the crooked bastardos.

(08-30-2023 03:07 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  We will know more on this a year from now when we know who is actually on the ticket for each side.

This is where I am as well.

I think there is NO way they run Sloe* again. Whether by corruption charges or "health and want to spend more time with my family".

They won't admit that now, he's a useful vessel for the powers that be behind the scene, whoever left over zerO-bots that they are. Pretty sure it won't be our current do nothing incompetent Veep either.

Is it Newsome, perhaps cause there's not really much else on the left bench. But he's done such an outstanding job destroying our arguably most beautiful State, I'm not sure he gets the nod either.

(08-30-2023 03:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:48 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:45 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He'll get the 46% he got in 2016 and 2020.

He'll fall to 1-2 in the career win loss record.

He's about the only candidate that can get this clown show administration another 4 years.

You honestly think Desantis, Haley, Pence, Christie, or any of them on the debate stage last week can win?!?

This guy said he would have voted Sanders over Trump. Not my words, his words so logic isn't his strong point

You are such a clown.

Someone said something to hurt your widdle feewings about Blonde Redneck Jesus...Post the link again and get laughed at again.

Or are you going to tell everyone on the internet again how much money you have? Little wiener syndrome in the single wide. Lulz

I won't response to the rest of your post because there's a mod on here that protects you. Or should I say anyone from responding to the bullshite.

For everyone saying Trump can't win. Which Republican running for the nomination, besides Trump, can get more than 74,200,00 votes?

(08-30-2023 03:09 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 02:56 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Every time I hear someone say..."Trump can't win in the general", it makes me realize that the media has done a fantastic job in cementing their agenda on the small minded.

Don't necessarily disagree. But, to quote a corrupt and disgusting wretch of a woman(???)., "what difference at this point does it make?"

As I look out my office window, I see roughly two dozen folks, some making their way home early to beat traffic and others either heading to late-shift work or (for those who look like students of the downtown branch of our local community college) to evening classes. At least half of them are on their phones, either pressed to their ear or looking at their screens.

If you were of a mind to do so, oruvoice, you could step in front of every one of these folks and let them know that they are small-minded people if they don't agree with your particular political view. Most of them would just ignore you. A few might stop and respond. Depending upon how big you are, one or two of them might get confrontational.

But not a one of them are going to change their votes. Fair or not, Donald Trump is irreparably damaged goods from a reputational standpoint.

And a lot of them will vote for him anyway.

Again, get outside your bubble and look at facts, not anecdotes.

(08-30-2023 03:27 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:09 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 02:56 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Every time I hear someone say..."Trump can't win in the general", it makes me realize that the media has done a fantastic job in cementing their agenda on the small minded.

Don't necessarily disagree. But, to quote a corrupt and disgusting wretch of a woman(???)., "what difference at this point does it make?"

As I look out my office window, I see roughly two dozen folks, some making their way home early to beat traffic and others either heading to late-shift work or (for those who look like students of the downtown branch of our local community college) to evening classes. At least half of them are on their phones, either pressed to their ear or looking at their screens.

If you were of a mind to do so, oruvoice, you could step in front of every one of these folks and let them know that they are small-minded people if they don't agree with your particular political view. Most of them would just ignore you. A few might stop and respond. Depending upon how big you are, one or two of them might get confrontational.

But not a one of them are going to change their votes. Fair or not, Donald Trump is irreparably damaged goods from a reputational standpoint.

I'm white but have a very large part of people that I have as friends or see around town often that are black (two cities I spend time in). Based off that small sample, while a lot larger than what you used is still small.....

people are changing or at least talking about changing their vote. Lets make it clear, 10s of million dont need to change their votes. While I dont know the finial numbers in those close states that gave Biden the win. My guess is 100k in those states changing their vote swings it to Trump. So probably 1% when you consider a changed vote is actually 2 votes....a vote for Trump and off the Biden total

40,000 fewer illegal votes counted in GA, AZ and WI and Trump would have won.

(08-30-2023 03:49 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think you could pick one of those stiffs out of a hat and have a better shot.

Trump is a one man democrat get out the vote machine. And nobody is on the fence about him.

The left loves that he's going run and they are laughing their asses off.

They are scared to death of Trump. That's why they are trying all these illegal methods to stop him.

Now he is a huge help in getting Democrats off their couch and getting other Democrats to cheat and make up fake votes. But he also has an intense following among blue collar people who historically stayed at home. There's a tradeoff.

(08-30-2023 03:49 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think you could pick one of those stiffs out of a hat and have a better shot.

Trump is a one man democrat get out the vote machine. And nobody is on the fence about him.

The left loves that he's going run and they are laughing their asses off.

Your absolutely fooling yourself if you think anyone on that stage wont be portrayed by the press as "Racist Republican Hitler" by next November. There is only one guy on that stage that can say---"Were you better off under me or under Biden?" Every other guy on the Republican stage will be an unknown quantity portrayed by the press as "Racist Republican Hitler"---Trump is going to be the guy who tweeted mean stuff---but delivered an economy where most people were thriving.

"The More You Indict, The More We Unite!" - Black Social Media Erupts For Trump

Trump does not need to win the majority of blacks to impact the race. He just needs to increase his share of the black vote.

Quote:For years, American leftists have yearned for the day they'd see a police mug shot of former President Donald Trump, confident it would decisively terminate his political career.

Thanks to an indictment in Georgia that was clearly conceived and timed for maximum political damage, their wish was granted last week.

However, the spectacle has unfolded in a way that's surely causing a growing sense of horror among Trump's foes: Not only has his booking at one of Atlanta's nastiest jails galvanized typical Trump supporters, it's triggered a surge in support from inside an essential Democratic constituency -- black people.

Considering how Democrats take black support for granted and routinely label Trump a racist and white supremacist, imagine the utter consternation they're feeling as they witness a social media eruption of black sympathy for Trump over an arrest that, for many blacks, parallels the mistreatment they perceive blacks have received in the American criminal justice system.

The first sign of trouble came when people calling themselves "Blacks for Trump" and "Niggas for Trump" posted themselves near the infamous Fulton County Jail on Atlanta's Rice Street.

At the link are videos of blacks telling why they are now supporting Trump.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/more...upts-trump

(08-30-2023 04:01 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:07 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  We will know more on this a year from now when we know who is actually on the ticket for each side.

This is where I am as well.

I think there is NO way they run Sloe* again. Whether by corruption charges or "health and want to spend more time with my family".

They won't admit that now, he's a useful vessel for the powers that be behind the scene, whoever left over zerO-bots that they are. Pretty sure it won't be our current do nothing incompetent Veep either.

Is it Newsome, perhaps cause there's not really much else on the left bench. But he's done such an outstanding job destroying our arguably most beautiful State, I'm not sure he gets the nod either.

That's the side of the equation that I was mostly referring to in my comment.

My guess at this point is that either Gavin Newsom or Michelle Obama - in no particular order - will be the leader for the Democrats next year.

(08-30-2023 04:14 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  For everyone saying Trump can't win. Which Republican running for the nomination, besides Trump, can get more than 74,200,00 votes?

Which republican was it that couldn't win in 2016 too? The late night talk show circuit made a living off mocking his chances that year. ALL the talking heads laughed so hard their sides hurt at him having any chance at winning.

(08-30-2023 04:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:49 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think you could pick one of those stiffs out of a hat and have a better shot.

Trump is a one man democrat get out the vote machine. And nobody is on the fence about him.

The left loves that he's going run and they are laughing their asses off.

They are scared to death of Trump. That's why they are trying all these illegal methods to stop him.

Now he is a huge help in getting Democrats off their couch and getting other Democrats to cheat and make up fake votes. But he also has an intense following among blue collar people who historically stayed at home. There's a tradeoff.

Agreed.

(08-30-2023 08:20 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 04:14 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  For everyone saying Trump can't win. Which Republican running for the nomination, besides Trump, can get more than 74,200,00 votes?

Which republican was it that couldn't win in 2016, too? The late night talk show circuit made a living off mocking his chances that year. ALL the talking heads laughed so hard their sides hurt at him having any chance at winning.

Trump currently has the best numbers that he has EVER had.

(08-30-2023 08:24 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 08:20 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 04:14 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  For everyone saying Trump can't win. Which Republican running for the nomination, besides Trump, can get more than 74,200,00 votes?

Which republican was it that couldn't win in 2016, too? The late night talk show circuit made a living off mocking his chances that year. ALL the talking heads laughed so hard their sides hurt at him having any chance at winning.

Trump currently has the best numbers that he has EVER had.

Blue collar worker know how much the last 3 years have cost them so even more "republicans/Trump" voters should get off their ass and vote.

Unless something like abortion or any other hot topic the democrats like to use to put fear into people....

even with mail in votes the democrat numbers should be down. Because if you were a Indy or a female that voted for Biden last time just because you didn't like and couldn't vote Trump. How much effort are you going to put into voting for 4 more years of it...The last 3 years will keep the numbers down.

(08-30-2023 03:45 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He'll get the 46% he got in 2016 and 2020.

He'll fall to 1-2 in the career win loss record.

He's about the only candidate that can get this clown show administration another 4 years.

Instead of complaining about people supporting a candidate, how about offering a solution.

Something that would make anyone on that stage last week even remotely electable.

(08-31-2023 04:14 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:45 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He'll get the 46% he got in 2016 and 2020.

He'll fall to 1-2 in the career win loss record.

He's about the only candidate that can get this clown show administration another 4 years.

Instead of complaining about people supporting a candidate, how about offering a solution.

Something that would make anyone on that stage last week even remotely electable.

A solution to what, CJ? I’m not trying to be cute, here. I honestly don’t know what problem you are asking rath (and others) to solve for.

If the problem is how to win back the White House in 2024, then the solution is to do something different than was done in 2020. Is Donald Trump doing something different? If so, I’m not seeing it. All I am seeing is him re-litigating his total eff-up of the 2020 campaign, and in the process being dragged down (admittedly unfairly, but that’s mostly beside the point) by the ongoing political prosecutions and endless crying about it.

What different is he going to do? Ducking debates does nothing to advance the ball. Pointing out microscopic shortcomings in his opponents while ignoring gaping concerns with Donald’s fitness is politically suicidal.

rath doesn’t need to answer your question. He is a voter and a concerned citizen. Donald Trump needs to answer that question. And he is failing miserably.

(08-31-2023 04:49 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-31-2023 04:14 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:45 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He'll get the 46% he got in 2016 and 2020.

He'll fall to 1-2 in the career win loss record.

He's about the only candidate that can get this clown show administration another 4 years.

Instead of complaining about people supporting a candidate, how about offering a solution.

Something that would make anyone on that stage last week even remotely electable.

A solution to what, CJ? I’m not trying to be cute, here. I honestly don’t know what problem you are asking rath (and others) to solve for.

If the problem is how to win back the White House in 2024, then the solution is to do something different than was done in 2020. Is Donald Trump doing something different? If so, I’m not seeing it. All I am seeing is him re-litigating his total eff-up of the 2020 campaign, and in the process being dragged down (admittedly unfairly, but that’s mostly beside the point) by the ongoing political prosecutions and endless crying about it.

What different is he going to do? Ducking debates does nothing to advance the ball. Pointing out microscopic shortcomings in his opponents while ignoring gaping concerns with Donald’s fitness is politically suicidal.

rath doesn’t need to answer your question. He is a voter and a concerned citizen. Donald Trump needs to answer that question. And he is failing miserably.

People know what to blame and who to blame. The issue is not defending Donald Trump. The issue is in offering a sane and positive view of America's future and rallying decent people everywhere behind it, and away from the totalitarian and autocratic idiocy of Corporate Globalism.

We don't win by wallowing in self-pity, raising the level of anger, and knowing what we are against. We win by dwelling on what we are for, what unites instead of divides, and what we believe the virtues of a positive nation to be. We win with that because contained in it is the pathway to hope and freedom from the despotic future all now fear. To hope inspires not only creative thinking but faith in things much larger than self-interest. It inspires ideals. The greatness of the United States was once its ideals. And we've watched those ripped down under false pretenses so that Corporate greed and control could reign over us and force us into a future of their making. Faith in ourselves, and hope for tomorrow, do not reside under any system where the super wealthy dictate to us the terms we must abide for the barest necessities of life, or a vision for life which only serves them.

Progressives inherently do not believe in a power greater than themselves, and seek to gain the whole world by denying any of it to us. Those with ideals seek first that which unites all people, freedom from tyranny and for self determination. It sold in the 1770's, in 1861-65, 1914-18, and 1939-45 and it still sells today!

I agree with almost all of your first paragraph...the problem is Trump is pegged at only having @ 46% of the country that loves him or holds their nose to vote for him...more than 50% of the country hates the guy. That's not changing.

Maybe Cornell West can siphon off enough votes where it matters.

(08-30-2023 04:14 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  For everyone saying Trump can't win. Which Republican running for the nomination, besides Trump, can get more than 74,200,00 votes?

I see no one could come up with a name.