(09-14-2023 09:06 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Trump is the worst president. He made people think in the Republican base our country should be run by dictators, and not by elections.

Please list all the bad things that Trump did to this country. "He's mean" does not qualify.

I'll wait.

(09-14-2023 09:14 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:06 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Trump is the worst president. He made people think in the Republican base our country should be run by dictators, and not by elections.

Please list all the bad things that Trump did to this country. "He's mean" does not qualify.

I'll wait.

Easy, he convinced half the country that faked elections were better than fair elections.

That half being the Democrat-Leftists voters.

Trump.

Fauci, Comey, Clapper, the hapless Sessions, letting the Democrats destroy election integrity, lockdowns longer than needed, listening to Fauci, not seeing that Fauci was a fraud. And he had a lot of other bad people around him. Didn't do a thing about the FBI. He let it get totally out of control, ticking off enough people that a dementia ridden Biden could be close enough to steal the election, ....

Reagan was an all time great.

HW was also a great president. He peacefully oversaw the dissolution of the USSR. Reunited Germany. Kicked Sadaam out of Kuwait without bogging us down for years. Continued the structural things that Reagan started that lead to a long prosperous time for the country. The Houston friends, Baker and Bush, were very important for the country. HW's biggest problem is that a lot of the good Republicans got tired of DC and he was left with a lot of yes men who blinded him to the risk he was at in losing to Perot/Clinton.

W. was good and bad, in contrast to Trump who was good and awful.

W Bush was the worst followed by HW Bush.

The last straw for many who supported W Bush was when he was excited at the press conference the day after Dems took over the House during the midterms, how now he could work with Dems on immigration and other liberal policies and the second moment was during the economic crisis when he said “I’ve Abandoned Free Market Principles To Save The Free Market System”

Clearly Bush 43. It’s not even close really.


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(09-14-2023 08:36 AM)banker Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 07:42 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  So as not to hurt the sensitive feelings of the Trumplets on this forum, I presume we are supposed to overlook issues of dishonesty, bullying, political incompetence, laziness, bad judgment of character, thin-skinned narcissism and general sleaziness.

On the issue of honesty, give me a meaningful lie from Trump that was worse than either

A. Read my lips, no new taxes (which costs taxpayers billions and got the Clintons in a position of international power)
B. Weapons of mass destruction (which cost taxpayers trillions and the lives of 1000s of servicemen)

"Two weeks to flatten the curve."

Yeah, I know, it wasn't a lie when he said it. But it sure turned into a real whopper by the time he was done dancing on stage with the evil elf.

(09-14-2023 08:25 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 07:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 07:42 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  So as not to hurt the sensitive feelings of the Trumplets on this forum, I presume we are supposed to overlook issues of dishonesty, bullying, political incompetence, laziness, bad judgment of character, thin-skinned narcissism and general sleaziness.

I was just going on the overall Presidency. I'm no "Trumplet", I'm not quite sure what that even is, but his presidency saw an awesome economy, etc. so he's definitely not the worst of this group, by a long shot, imo.

AM thinks anybody who doesn't agree with his extreme hatred of Orange Man Bad is a "trumplet."

Meanwhile, Biden is taking this country straight to hell, but Trump is still the focus.

Since I invented the term (and, yes, I am quite proud of it), I get some say in what it means.

It is not just ignorance that gains someone the label of "Trumplet". It also requires a measure of dishonesty.

--> Pretending that the only thing wrong with Donald Trump is "mean tweets", while ignoring voluminous recitations of his incompetent, lazy and uncaring leadership is Trumplet behavior.

--> Not responding to actual points raised for discussion with anything other than "Reeeee" is Trumplet behavior.

--> Making up straw man positions in order to duck real concerns with Donald Trump is Trumplet behavior.

--> Believing that the interests of the nation are the same as (or perhaps even subordinate to) the interests of the infallible Donald Trump is Trumplet behavior.

You are not a Trumplet TripleA. Just an apologist for the Trumplets.

Does that help?

Bush 2, Bush 1/Trump, Reagan.

Significant Pros and cons about the two in the middle. Think Bush 2 being the worst and Reagan being the best are clear.

(09-14-2023 09:06 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Trump is the worst president. He made people think in the Republican base our country should be run by dictators, and not by elections.

Obama acted more like a dictator than Trump ever did. Trump was and still is a narcissistic egotistical maniac who's desperate for relevance in his fading years.

Worst to best:

Bush 2, Bush 1, Trump, Reagan

(09-14-2023 11:24 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:06 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Trump is the worst president. He made people think in the Republican base our country should be run by dictators, and not by elections.

Obama acted more like a dictator than Trump ever did. Trump was and still is a narcissistic egotistical maniac who's desperate for relevance in his fading years.

We've had presidents that weren't narcissistic egotistical maniac's? Which ones?

People without big egos don't generally go into politics.....

Just sayin'

Trump-
-Put Christopher Wray one of the most corrupt people ever in charge of the FBI which he now uses as a tool to prosecute republicans and let's dems off the hook.
-Put Fauci as spokeman for Covid rather than having someone do just a minimal of background research into the man to decide this is not someone that should be suggesting policy for Americans.
-Lower court picks that were hard left. Rather than picking conservative justices recommended from the heritage foundation. Anytime you see people prosecuting republicans and even Trump more often than not its a Trump pick amusingly.
-His picks for DOJ were awful. Too busy prosecuting Doctors to worry about the corrupt things dems were doing right under Trumps nose.
-The massive increase in debt that would make even the hard core big government dems blush. He threatened the freedom caucus telling them to get in line for spending increases or else for being hard line against the debt increases which was insane to me. Threaten dems not your own party.
-Which leads into he's attacked his own party so much. Don't buy this narrative that it's only moderates he's attacked. He attacked the freedom caucus hard, he's attacking Ron DeSantis, the Governer of Iowa etc. It's hard to find a republican he doesn't attack. That's going to hurt republicans in the long term and leads into the narrative of Donald Trump vs the world. Which is a world of his own making not because of policy he's pushing.

The Bush Brothers-
- Increased regulation
- Increased spending
- Too soft on the press and dems

Reagan-
- Was the best of all of them, but did have an issue of trusting the dems. too much.
- Too much increased spending to the military industrial complex rather than just toward the troops themselves.

(09-14-2023 07:39 AM)VA49er Wrote:  If we are only going the last four, I'd go with Bush 1. The whole, "Read my lips" thing and NAFTA were just dumb, imo.

I'm going with VA on this.. i've learned how bad NAFTA was (and i used to support it)... although Bush Jr, almost trumps him on No Child Left Behind and Patriot Act.

But I think Bush Sr was the first to promote the One World Government idea thus proposing to end American Sovereignty.

No way do I put Trump or Reagan on this list. (Supreme Court appointments alone keep them off this list).

(09-14-2023 09:47 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 08:25 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 07:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 07:42 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  So as not to hurt the sensitive feelings of the Trumplets on this forum, I presume we are supposed to overlook issues of dishonesty, bullying, political incompetence, laziness, bad judgment of character, thin-skinned narcissism and general sleaziness.

I was just going on the overall Presidency. I'm no "Trumplet", I'm not quite sure what that even is, but his presidency saw an awesome economy, etc. so he's definitely not the worst of this group, by a long shot, imo.

AM thinks anybody who doesn't agree with his extreme hatred of Orange Man Bad is a "trumplet."

Meanwhile, Biden is taking this country straight to hell, but Trump is still the focus.

Since I invented the term (and, yes, I am quite proud of it), I get some say in what it means.

It is not just ignorance that gains someone the label of "Trumplet". It also requires a measure of dishonesty.

--> Pretending that the only thing wrong with Donald Trump is "mean tweets", while ignoring voluminous recitations of his incompetent, lazy and uncaring leadership is Trumplet behavior.

--> Not responding to actual points raised for discussion with anything other than "Reeeee" is Trumplet behavior.

--> Making up straw man positions in order to duck real concerns with Donald Trump is Trumplet behavior.

--> Believing that the interests of the nation are the same as (or perhaps even subordinate to) the interests of the infallible Donald Trump is Trumplet behavior.

You are not a Trumplet TripleA. Just an apologist for the Trumplets.

Does that help?

I'm not an apologist for anybody. I just have a different opinion of some of these people.

I happen to be good personal friends with several whom you hang that label on, when I know they are nothing of the sort, as you define it.

You are labeling people whom you don't know other than through a stupid political message board.

I also think you are overly obsessed with Trump, rather than with Biden, who is the real problem for this country.

And a couple of these guys tweak you with over the top stuff, just b/c it spins you up so much.

W

(09-14-2023 01:42 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:47 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 08:25 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 07:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 07:42 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  So as not to hurt the sensitive feelings of the Trumplets on this forum, I presume we are supposed to overlook issues of dishonesty, bullying, political incompetence, laziness, bad judgment of character, thin-skinned narcissism and general sleaziness.

I was just going on the overall Presidency. I'm no "Trumplet", I'm not quite sure what that even is, but his presidency saw an awesome economy, etc. so he's definitely not the worst of this group, by a long shot, imo.

AM thinks anybody who doesn't agree with his extreme hatred of Orange Man Bad is a "trumplet."

Meanwhile, Biden is taking this country straight to hell, but Trump is still the focus.

Since I invented the term (and, yes, I am quite proud of it), I get some say in what it means.

It is not just ignorance that gains someone the label of "Trumplet". It also requires a measure of dishonesty.

--> Pretending that the only thing wrong with Donald Trump is "mean tweets", while ignoring voluminous recitations of his incompetent, lazy and uncaring leadership is Trumplet behavior.

--> Not responding to actual points raised for discussion with anything other than "Reeeee" is Trumplet behavior.

--> Making up straw man positions in order to duck real concerns with Donald Trump is Trumplet behavior.

--> Believing that the interests of the nation are the same as (or perhaps even subordinate to) the interests of the infallible Donald Trump is Trumplet behavior.

You are not a Trumplet TripleA. Just an apologist for the Trumplets.

Does that help?

I'm not an apologist for anybody. I just have a different opinion of some of these people.

I happen to be good personal friends with several whom you hang that label on, when I know they are nothing of the sort, as you define it.

You are labeling people whom you don't know other than through a stupid political message board.

I also think you are overly obsessed with Trump, rather than with Biden, who is the real problem for this country.

And a couple of these guys tweak you with over the top stuff, just b/c it spins you up so much.

You get rep points for being offended by the term "Trumplet" on others' behalf, TripleA. It is meant to be offensive. (And frankly I'd worry about someone who is not offended by being accused of hero worshipping as undeserving a schmuck as former President Trump. Nevertheless, and very much unlike you TripleA, actual Trumplets for the most part run and hide when called out on it. Or just show up and blurt out meaningless words like "filth" and "Reeeee". They are lucky to have you as a "good personal friend" in order to cyber wipe their noses and dry their eyes.)

Point number two: I'd be very disappointed if posters stopped tweaking me on my dislike of President Trump. For all the discouraging crap that happens daily in the real world, getting to vent about it here is one of the few silver linings. I deeply appreciate it, and honestly would be most sad if my bad posting manners ever actually get me banned.

(09-14-2023 09:47 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 08:25 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 07:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 07:42 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  So as not to hurt the sensitive feelings of the Trumplets on this forum, I presume we are supposed to overlook issues of dishonesty, bullying, political incompetence, laziness, bad judgment of character, thin-skinned narcissism and general sleaziness.

I was just going on the overall Presidency. I'm no "Trumplet", I'm not quite sure what that even is, but his presidency saw an awesome economy, etc. so he's definitely not the worst of this group, by a long shot, imo.

AM thinks anybody who doesn't agree with his extreme hatred of Orange Man Bad is a "trumplet."

Meanwhile, Biden is taking this country straight to hell, but Trump is still the focus.

Since I invented the term (and, yes, I am quite proud of it), I get some say in what it means.

It is not just ignorance that gains someone the label of "Trumplet". It also requires a measure of dishonesty.

--> Pretending that the only thing wrong with Donald Trump is "mean tweets", while ignoring voluminous recitations of his incompetent, lazy and uncaring leadership is Trumplet behavior.

--> Not responding to actual points raised for discussion with anything other than "Reeeee" is Trumplet behavior.

--> Making up straw man positions in order to duck real concerns with Donald Trump is Trumplet behavior.

--> Believing that the interests of the nation are the same as (or perhaps even subordinate to) the interests of the infallible Donald Trump is Trumplet behavior.

You are not a Trumplet TripleA. Just an apologist for the Trumplets.

Does that help?

No, you're the one that needs it, i.e, help.

It seems you hate Trump more than the paid Leftists/Communists that post here. Bless your heart.

(09-14-2023 02:24 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  No, you're the one that needs it, i.e, help.

It seems you hate Trump more than the paid Leftists/Communists that post here. Bless your heart.

I would hope so. For the most part, these "paid Leftists/Communists that post here" are praying that it is President Trump that wins the nomination. It is the only chance that they have of retaining the White House (and possibly Senate as well) in 2024.

I don't think I need add'l help, ollie. (Although it is nice of you to offer.) There are plenty of others on this site who can make my very same points - - only more articulately and less offensively. I am happy to just remain as the noisy side show to their more capable posting skills.

(09-14-2023 09:06 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Trump is the worst president. He made people think in the Republican base our country should be run by dictators, and not by elections.

The Pac10 not getting $40million per team like you predicated occurred under Biden*. I realize you will still blame Trump, but it happened under Biden*.