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(04-11-2024 02:47 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:43 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 10:00 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 09:31 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 08:24 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Im looking at it from the kids perspective. They get to experience a higher level of basketball. That is a great experience for the kids.

Playing on a 30 win team is a great experience for college kids as well and Indiana State is a very strong D1 bb team. Just because they may move up does not insure any sort of greater experience. Check out Mekhi Long or Melik Curry.

How do you know that Long and Curry did not enjoy their experience?

I don’t know, and you may be correct. At least they got out from under Jeff Jones, maybe that was worth the change. But my guess is their experience was just as great at ODU than the schools they went to.

I don't remember who posted it (and am too lazy to go look it up) but I do remember reading someone stating here that both Long and Curry had stated to former teammates and/or staff of questioning their own transfer decisions.

Mekhi and JJ had a good relationship. It was tough for him to make that decision but it’s hard to turn down that much money when you can help your family out at such a young age.

Malik cried when he told JJ he was leaving. Not sure if he regretted the decision but this notion that players were leaving to escape JJ is just wrong.

(04-11-2024 02:58 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:47 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:43 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 10:00 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 09:31 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  Playing on a 30 win team is a great experience for college kids as well and Indiana State is a very strong D1 bb team. Just because they may move up does not insure any sort of greater experience. Check out Mekhi Long or Melik Curry.

How do you know that Long and Curry did not enjoy their experience?

I don’t know, and you may be correct. At least they got out from under Jeff Jones, maybe that was worth the change. But my guess is their experience was just as great at ODU than the schools they went to.

I don't remember who posted it (and am too lazy to go look it up) but I do remember reading someone stating here that both Long and Curry had stated to former teammates and/or staff of questioning their own transfer decisions.

Mekhi and JJ had a good relationship. It was tough for him to make that decision but it’s hard to turn down that much money when you can help your family out at such a young age.

Malik cried when he told JJ he was leaving. Not sure if he regretted the decision but this notion that players were leaving to escape JJ is just wrong.

I never said they were leaving to escape Jeff Jones. I said maybe it was worth the change to do so. My original point was that Stat Geek was claiming it was a positive move for the kids to leave Indiana State. Maybe that’s wrong as well.

(04-11-2024 03:12 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:58 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:47 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:43 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 10:00 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  How do you know that Long and Curry did not enjoy their experience?

I don’t know, and you may be correct. At least they got out from under Jeff Jones, maybe that was worth the change. But my guess is their experience was just as great at ODU than the schools they went to.

I don't remember who posted it (and am too lazy to go look it up) but I do remember reading someone stating here that both Long and Curry had stated to former teammates and/or staff of questioning their own transfer decisions.

Mekhi and JJ had a good relationship. It was tough for him to make that decision but it’s hard to turn down that much money when you can help your family out at such a young age.

Malik cried when he told JJ he was leaving. Not sure if he regretted the decision but this notion that players were leaving to escape JJ is just wrong.

I never said they were leaving to escape Jeff Jones. I said maybe it was worth the change to do so. My original point was that Stat Geek was claiming it was a positive move for the kids to leave Indiana State. Maybe that’s wrong as well.

Im not saying every kid that moves up ended up making the best decision. I work with a lot of kids and I'm saying that I was originally looking at it from their perspective. More money, training, possibly better education, etc. Curry went from Palm Beach State to now (hopefully) graduating from West Virginia, maybe even with a masters. Plus the resources and contacts that come along with that.

If you tell me a kid works all the way up from Juco, D3, low level, mid major, all the way to a P5, I would say that there are reasons to be happy for that player.

(04-11-2024 03:53 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 03:12 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:58 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:47 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:43 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  I don’t know, and you may be correct. At least they got out from under Jeff Jones, maybe that was worth the change. But my guess is their experience was just as great at ODU than the schools they went to.

I don't remember who posted it (and am too lazy to go look it up) but I do remember reading someone stating here that both Long and Curry had stated to former teammates and/or staff of questioning their own transfer decisions.

Mekhi and JJ had a good relationship. It was tough for him to make that decision but it’s hard to turn down that much money when you can help your family out at such a young age.

Malik cried when he told JJ he was leaving. Not sure if he regretted the decision but this notion that players were leaving to escape JJ is just wrong.

I never said they were leaving to escape Jeff Jones. I said maybe it was worth the change to do so. My original point was that Stat Geek was claiming it was a positive move for the kids to leave Indiana State. Maybe that’s wrong as well.

Im not saying every kid that moves up ended up making the best decision. I work with a lot of kids and I'm saying that I was originally looking at it from their perspective. More money, training, possibly better education, etc. Curry went from Palm Beach State to now (hopefully) graduating from West Virginia, maybe even with a masters. Plus the resources and contacts that come along with that.

If you tell me a kid works all the way up from Juco, D3, low level, mid major, all the way to a P5, I would say that there are reasons to be happy for that player.

You can look at it however you like. I personally don’t see it as a positive experience just because a kid gets to move up to P5. There are plenty of positives staying, playing, and graduating from a school like ODU or Indiana State. I’ll leave it at that.

(04-11-2024 04:21 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 03:53 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 03:12 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:58 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:47 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  I don't remember who posted it (and am too lazy to go look it up) but I do remember reading someone stating here that both Long and Curry had stated to former teammates and/or staff of questioning their own transfer decisions.

Mekhi and JJ had a good relationship. It was tough for him to make that decision but it’s hard to turn down that much money when you can help your family out at such a young age.

Malik cried when he told JJ he was leaving. Not sure if he regretted the decision but this notion that players were leaving to escape JJ is just wrong.

I never said they were leaving to escape Jeff Jones. I said maybe it was worth the change to do so. My original point was that Stat Geek was claiming it was a positive move for the kids to leave Indiana State. Maybe that’s wrong as well.

Im not saying every kid that moves up ended up making the best decision. I work with a lot of kids and I'm saying that I was originally looking at it from their perspective. More money, training, possibly better education, etc. Curry went from Palm Beach State to now (hopefully) graduating from West Virginia, maybe even with a masters. Plus the resources and contacts that come along with that.

If you tell me a kid works all the way up from Juco, D3, low level, mid major, all the way to a P5, I would say that there are reasons to be happy for that player.

You can look at it however you like. I personally don’t see it as a positive experience just because a kid gets to move up to P5. There are plenty of positives staying, playing, and graduating from a school like ODU or Indiana State. I’ll leave it at that.

^^^This

(04-11-2024 04:21 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 03:53 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 03:12 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:58 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:47 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  I don't remember who posted it (and am too lazy to go look it up) but I do remember reading someone stating here that both Long and Curry had stated to former teammates and/or staff of questioning their own transfer decisions.

Mekhi and JJ had a good relationship. It was tough for him to make that decision but it’s hard to turn down that much money when you can help your family out at such a young age.

Malik cried when he told JJ he was leaving. Not sure if he regretted the decision but this notion that players were leaving to escape JJ is just wrong.

I never said they were leaving to escape Jeff Jones. I said maybe it was worth the change to do so. My original point was that Stat Geek was claiming it was a positive move for the kids to leave Indiana State. Maybe that’s wrong as well.

Im not saying every kid that moves up ended up making the best decision. I work with a lot of kids and I'm saying that I was originally looking at it from their perspective. More money, training, possibly better education, etc. Curry went from Palm Beach State to now (hopefully) graduating from West Virginia, maybe even with a masters. Plus the resources and contacts that come along with that.

If you tell me a kid works all the way up from Juco, D3, low level, mid major, all the way to a P5, I would say that there are reasons to be happy for that player.

You can look at it however you like. I personally don’t see it as a positive experience just because a kid gets to move up to P5. There are plenty of positives staying, playing, and graduating from a school like ODU or Indiana State. I’ll leave it at that.

Mekhi and Malik both did graduate from ODU.

Hated to see mekhi leave. He got better every year, great attitude. Just fun to watch.

(04-11-2024 02:58 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:47 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:43 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 10:00 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 09:31 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  Playing on a 30 win team is a great experience for college kids as well and Indiana State is a very strong D1 bb team. Just because they may move up does not insure any sort of greater experience. Check out Mekhi Long or Melik Curry.

How do you know that Long and Curry did not enjoy their experience?

I don’t know, and you may be correct. At least they got out from under Jeff Jones, maybe that was worth the change. But my guess is their experience was just as great at ODU than the schools they went to.

I don't remember who posted it (and am too lazy to go look it up) but I do remember reading someone stating here that both Long and Curry had stated to former teammates and/or staff of questioning their own transfer decisions.

Mekhi and JJ had a good relationship. It was tough for him to make that decision but it’s hard to turn down that much money when you can help your family out at such a young age.

Malik cried when he told JJ he was leaving. Not sure if he regretted the decision but this notion that players were leaving to escape JJ is just wrong.

He didn’t get life changing amount of money. He told several of us later he regretted leaving and felt it would have been better to stay for his career in the long run

Since we dont have a 2030 recruiting thread yet, LOL, my 6th grade team played a tourney this past weekend. One of our opponents had several future high major players on it. 6-3, 12 year old that dunked in game... 6th graders now dunking.

They also had a 6 foot 3 11 year old that is a future star.

Got to see some Team Push vs. Team Loaded as well. I think there are a couple kids from Team Push we should take a look at

(04-16-2024 09:39 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Since we dont have a 2030 recruiting thread yet, LOL, my 6th grade team played a tourney this past weekend. One of our opponents had several future high major players on it. 6-3, 12 year old that dunked in game... 6th graders now dunking.

They also had a 6 foot 3 11 year old that is a future star.

Got to see some Team Push vs. Team Loaded as well. I think there are a couple kids from Team Push we should take a look at

Was it the Metheney kid? A buddy of mine was in Rock Hill with his 6th grader and was telling me about it.

(04-16-2024 09:45 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 09:39 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Since we dont have a 2030 recruiting thread yet, LOL, my 6th grade team played a tourney this past weekend. One of our opponents had several future high major players on it. 6-3, 12 year old that dunked in game... 6th graders now dunking.

They also had a 6 foot 3 11 year old that is a future star.

Got to see some Team Push vs. Team Loaded as well. I think there are a couple kids from Team Push we should take a look at

Was it the Metheney kid? A buddy of mine was in Rock Hill with his 6th grader and was telling me about it.

No. It was Tomlinson. Baseline out of bounds alley oop.

(04-16-2024 09:45 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 09:39 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Since we dont have a 2030 recruiting thread yet, LOL, my 6th grade team played a tourney this past weekend. One of our opponents had several future high major players on it. 6-3, 12 year old that dunked in game... 6th graders now dunking.

They also had a 6 foot 3 11 year old that is a future star.

Got to see some Team Push vs. Team Loaded as well. I think there are a couple kids from Team Push we should take a look at

Was it the Metheney kid? A buddy of mine was in Rock Hill with his 6th grader and was telling me about it.

I want to get out to Rock Hill and Spooky Nook though. 2 of the best AAU scenes we haven't been too yet.

(04-11-2024 06:15 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:58 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:47 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:43 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 10:00 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  How do you know that Long and Curry did not enjoy their experience?

I don’t know, and you may be correct. At least they got out from under Jeff Jones, maybe that was worth the change. But my guess is their experience was just as great at ODU than the schools they went to.

I don't remember who posted it (and am too lazy to go look it up) but I do remember reading someone stating here that both Long and Curry had stated to former teammates and/or staff of questioning their own transfer decisions.

Mekhi and JJ had a good relationship. It was tough for him to make that decision but it’s hard to turn down that much money when you can help your family out at such a young age.

Malik cried when he told JJ he was leaving. Not sure if he regretted the decision but this notion that players were leaving to escape JJ is just wrong.

He didn’t get life changing amount of money. He told several of us later he regretted leaving and felt it would have been better to stay for his career in the long run

Thats what I think happens with a lot of these players transferring. Sure, for some it works out better. But I bet in the long term (not considering short term NIL money) it hurts more people than helps. Both Long and Curry would have been stars at ODU and likely increased their stock as overseas pros. Of course, some of these colleges pay more than the pros. But as long as there are still only a few years of college eligibility, some of these moves can negatively impact the long term. Short term gain for long term harm. But what 18-20 year old is making mature long term decisions? I wasnt. So I guess I get being blinded by the immediate dollars.

Bama goes to the final 4 and their coach was talked about going to Kentucky but stayed (or wasnt offered)...either way, the reward is 2 starters (3 major contributors) in the portal.

JMU only returns Xavier Brown and Jerell Roberson next year.

(04-19-2024 07:39 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

Good for Drew. Going to be tough to choose a side when they play the Terps now.