(12-03-2023 02:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  In this situation the changes in law as related to changing amateurism to a more professional model, contracts made when that change had not been mandated include some schools which will be majorly impacted by the change. This situation merits some cover for some to reconsider and others to make the necessary changes for compliance.

"Circumstances changed"

(12-03-2023 03:55 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 02:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  In this situation the changes in law as related to changing amateurism to a more professional model, contracts made when that change had not been mandated include some schools which will be majorly impacted by the change. This situation merits some cover for some to reconsider and others to make the necessary changes for compliance.

"Circumstances changed"

"Somehow, Palpatine returned"

(12-03-2023 03:53 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 03:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  Are you seriously suggesting that the committee selected Alabama because they were lobbied by Greg Sankey? I doubt they even heard him while they were deliberating.

What's the smarter long-term play for selection committee chairman who happens to be NC State's athletic director?

Appease Greg Sankey by making sure the SEC champion isn't left out of the CFP?

Or look out for a disgruntled ACC member determined to leave the conference as soon as it's feasible?

It will be hilarious is FSU runs it up against NC State while burning Boo Corrigan effigies.

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Well they arent ever going 13-0 playing in the SEC. Thats a safe bet.

(12-03-2023 01:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  They need to blame it on Phillips. He helped kill the 12 team playoff.

So even though FSU got screwed, its fitting that the ACC rather than Texas got screwed by the Saban love.

You're not wrong there. If Phillips had supported the 12 team playoff format when it was originally brought up, then there's a decent chance that the B1G and Pac also support it. It was a foolish move and now his Conference is paying the price for that.

(12-03-2023 01:57 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 01:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The SEC didn't stab them in the back, the CFP committee did. The Alliance did as well, first by truly stabbing the PAC 12, and then by not committing to the promised scheduling agreement.

Now to Gamenole and Quo, yes this will add impetus and an excuse, not just for FSU to make a move, but perhaps the entire Magnificent 7. This so called snub, chaired by an N.C. State man, puts this all in motion.

Greg Sankey went to bat for his schools, just like he will when FSU and Clemson come aboard within the next few years.

Jim Phillips wasn't interested in using his clout — however minimal it might be — to help a school with one foot out the ACC's door

I strongly agree. If that had been Louisville instead of FSU as the undefeated 13-0 ACC champ, he would have pushed much, much harder for them.

(12-03-2023 02:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 01:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 12:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  They do now. No respect.

I don't really don't think this will have any impact, at all.

FSU was already as motivated as they could be to get out.

This can't happen again, the 4 team playoff is over. If the ACC and the Alliance hadn't blocked the playoff, FSU would be hosting a playoff game this year. And going forward, there aren't going to be 5 P5 champs fighting for 4 spots. 99% of the time the ACC champ is hosting a quarterfinal.

The Grant of Rights either holds up in court, or it doesn't.
Do you think the judge is going to be impressed by the fact that FSU got screwed out of a playoff spot? "Well, Little Richard and hundreds of musicisans just had to kick rocks when they got screwed on GOR contracts, but the Seminoles missed a CFP, that changes everything!"

Agreed. The GOR has nothing to do with whether the CFP was fair or not, whether the commissioner got on TV to advocate hard enough or not, or anything other than the terms of the GOR and the amount that it would take to buy it out. Once again for the gazillionth time to posters that need to post about the “ironclad” GOR in every single thread about the ACC, it’s not about “ironclad” terms, but whether anyone that desires to leave the ACC is willing to risk several hundred million dollars in buyout amounts to do so and, if so, who is actually going to pay that amount (and no matter what people want to say, negotiating legitimately *hundreds* of millions of dollars of liabilities isn’t the same as anything that we have seen in realignment up to this point).

You know that we largely agree on the GOR, but I'll say this: FSU is more willing to risk hundreds of millions in penalties today than they were yesterday.

You know the decision of the committee was rigged.
ESPN has spent the last 4 hours trying to justify the inclusion of Texas and Alabama.

ESPN even removed Booger McFarland from the set because he wouldn't adopt the company line. He was replaced by some other yes man.

If the decision wasn't influenced by TV ratings, ESPN wouldn't have spent so much time trying to tell us it was the right decision.

(12-03-2023 04:31 PM)XLance Wrote:  You know the decision of the committee was rigged.
ESPN has spent the last 4 hours trying to justify the inclusion of Texas and Alabama.

ESPN even removed Booger McFarland from the set because he wouldn't adopt the company line. He was replaced by some other yes man.

If the decision wasn't influenced by TV ratings, ESPN wouldn't have spent so much time trying to tell us it was the right decision.

It would have been just as good for ESPN if Alabama or Texas had been left out instead of FSU. The controversy of leaving any of them out was always going to drive big ratings in the leadup to the Bowls and in the Bowl Games, too.

The real winners in all of this? The SEC, the B1G, the Big 12, and, yes, the ACC and FSU, too. The ratings for this year's CFP semis and the Orange Bowl will be through the stratosphere, just in time for the negotiations to finish on the new CFP deal. I'd started worrying that everyone was going to get a bit less than anticipated, now I predict that we'll get even more than expected.

It's official. MHVER3 says talks are ongoing between BY and potential ACC leftbehinds.

MHVER wouldn't tell a non-truth, would he?

(12-03-2023 04:31 PM)XLance Wrote:  You know the decision of the committee was rigged.
ESPN has spent the last 4 hours trying to justify the inclusion of Texas and Alabama.

ESPN even removed Booger McFarland from the set because he wouldn't adopt the company line. He was replaced by some other yes man.

If the decision wasn't influenced by TV ratings, ESPN wouldn't have spent so much time trying to tell us it was the right decision.

Yeah, I noticed that too. As soon as they showcased the injured player consideration, I looked at my wife and said “FSU will be left out.”

(12-03-2023 04:37 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 04:31 PM)XLance Wrote:  You know the decision of the committee was rigged.
ESPN has spent the last 4 hours trying to justify the inclusion of Texas and Alabama.

ESPN even removed Booger McFarland from the set because he wouldn't adopt the company line. He was replaced by some other yes man.

If the decision wasn't influenced by TV ratings, ESPN wouldn't have spent so much time trying to tell us it was the right decision.

It would have been just as good for ESPN if Alabama or Texas had been left out instead of FSU. The controversy of leaving any of them out was always going to drive big ratings in the leadup to the Bowls and in the Bowl Games, too.

The real winners in all of this? The SEC, the B1G, the Big 12, and, yes, the ACC and FSU, too. The ratings for this year's CFP semis and the Orange Bowl will be through the stratosphere, just in time for the negotiations to finish on the new CFP deal. I'd started worrying that everyone was going to get a bit less than anticipated, now I predict that we'll get even more than expected.

Slate has a good article about the committee snubbing FSU, and the ramifications that may follow -

https://slate.com/culture/2023/12/cfp-co...state.html

(12-03-2023 04:38 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  It's official. MHVER3 says talks are ongoing between BY and potential ACC leftbehinds.

MHVER wouldn't tell a non-truth, would he?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. lol

(12-03-2023 12:54 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  That's the silver lining in this, a blow to the status quo and more fuel added to the smoldering fire in Greensboro. And for FSU escaping the ACC is far more valuable than being in the 2023 playoff or even winning the 2023 national championship. We're talking about years of who we'll be playing and where we'll be playing them vs. 2 games max and accolades for one season.

I don't see how this makes our escape any easier, but I also don't see how it can fail to add determination to our clear desire to get out. And it will take both sides of that equation to be successful and get FSU into the SEC where we belong.

I'll take the Big Ten at this point.

I'm tired of beating up on SEC teams and it doesn't matter.

(12-03-2023 10:37 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 12:54 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  That's the silver lining in this, a blow to the status quo and more fuel added to the smoldering fire in Greensboro. And for FSU escaping the ACC is far more valuable than being in the 2023 playoff or even winning the 2023 national championship. We're talking about years of who we'll be playing and where we'll be playing them vs. 2 games max and accolades for one season.

I don't see how this makes our escape any easier, but I also don't see how it can fail to add determination to our clear desire to get out. And it will take both sides of that equation to be successful and get FSU into the SEC where we belong.

I'll take the Big Ten at this point.

I'm tired of beating up on SEC teams and it doesn't matter.

Legally you can't get an offer until you are free. Then FSU will have options, and that means likely both, but at least one which wants to protect its turf. I also don't see ESPN wanting to give up what it already has to a competitor. I think the case has been made and they'll (ESPN) will work on a solution. That solution may involve a lot more than Florida State.

(12-03-2023 10:21 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Slate has a good article about the committee snubbing FSU, and the ramifications that may follow -

https://slate.com/culture/2023/12/cfp-co...state.html

"Unprecedented", unless you remember what once happened to TCU and Baylor.

(12-03-2023 11:35 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 10:21 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Slate has a good article about the committee snubbing FSU, and the ramifications that may follow -

https://slate.com/culture/2023/12/cfp-co...state.html

"Unprecedented", unless you remember what once happened to TCU and Baylor.

Neither of them were undefeated. Hence the unprecedented.

(12-03-2023 11:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 10:37 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  I'll take the Big Ten at this point.

I'm tired of beating up on SEC teams and it doesn't matter.

Legally you can't get an offer until you are free. Then FSU will have options, and that means likely both, but at least one which wants to protect its turf. I also don't see ESPN wanting to give up what it already has to a competitor. I think the case has been made and they'll (ESPN) will work on a solution. That solution may involve a lot more than Florida State.

I want ESPN in our rear-view mirror, lying flat in the road and covered with horseshoe-shaped bruises.

(12-03-2023 10:21 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Slate has a good article about the committee snubbing FSU, and the ramifications that may follow -

https://slate.com/culture/2023/12/cfp-co...state.html

The M level just became official.

How ironic it was established at the expense of a successful program already known for exercising every available option to avoid it.

Now the school has a clear indicator that it will be a second-class citizen in Playoff seeding going forward. The event will expand to 12 teams next year, but FSU will be under the correct impression that it will always look lesser when the committee compares it to schools in the Big Ten and SEC. (All four of this season’s Playoff teams will play next year in one of those two leagues.) If this snub nudges FSU out the ACC’s door more quickly, it will destabilize life for the rest of the ACC and pour kerosene on a trend of consolidation that TV money has already started. Game results matter less now, and so do all teams not inside the new Power Two. FSU may see an automatic qualifier for future ACC champions as an easy path to postseason access, but just as easily, the school could look at how it was treated this weekend and decide that to get a fair shake, it needs either a different affiliation or none at all.