It is written in the Constitution, and it is up to the states to see how they run their elections. Other states could follow suit and disqualify Trump as well. It is in the Constitution that Clinton and Obama can't run for a third term, and it is also in the constitution that Arnold can't run since he was born in Austria. This suit that was brought to get Trump off the ballots was done by Republicans.

Wonder how high Trump's numbers will increase because of this? Everything he said is coming true. And they say HE will be the dictator. Most powerful POTUS ever. Prove me wrong.

(12-19-2023 09:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It is written in the Constitution, and it is up to the states to see how they run their elections. Other states could follow suit and disqualify Trump as well. It is in the Constitution that Clinton and Obama can't run for a third term, and it is also in the constitution that Arnold can't run since he was born in Austria. This suit that was brought to get Trump off the ballots was done by Republicans.

States can run their elections with whatever procedure they want. Voter ID, no voter ID, poll close times, early voting procedures, etc.

To not acknowledge that this move is unprecedented and divisive makes you a phony in this discussion. He’s not been convicted of anything in the eyes of the law. People in robes are taking the voting rights away from millions of people who they supposedly serve. Don’t be stupid.

You clearly have not read any of the Constitution and leftists couldn’t care less about what it says. Complete total hypocrites.

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(12-19-2023 07:51 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 07:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 06:56 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  To anyone who thinks this stops with Trump moving forward, you’re wrong. It will be used again if this is allowed to stand. Yet another slippery slope ruling that will destroy the system.


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Easy fix.

1. Don’t tell people to go to the Capitol and fight the counting of the electoral votes —- expect problems when they breach the voting floor and stop it.

2. Don’t tell your VP to use your votes instead of those certified by the state.

3. Don’t tell your VP when he won’t substitute the uncertified votes in place of those certified by the state to simply throw out the certified votes.

That's fine but he hasn't been convicted of this yet. That's what bothers me

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The language of the 14th doesn't say 'convicted of'.

I despise Donald Trump but this is not fair. He should be allowed on the ballot just like all of the others. They're all BADLY flawed people.

(12-19-2023 08:23 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 07:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 06:56 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  To anyone who thinks this stops with Trump moving forward, you’re wrong. It will be used again if this is allowed to stand. Yet another slippery slope ruling that will destroy the system.


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Easy fix.

1. Don’t tell people to go to the Capitol and fight the counting of the electoral votes —- expect problems when they breach the voting floor and stop it.

2. Don’t tell your VP to use your votes instead of those certified by the state.

3. Don’t tell your VP when he won’t substitute the uncertified votes in place of those certified by the state to simply throw out the certified votes.

Those are all very good and sound reasons for an American citizen to decide for himself or herself not to vote for Donald Trump in 2024.

Those are not good reasons for a state, by judicial fiat, to exclude an non-convict from appearing on the ballot.

If you had an ounce of intellectual integrity, tanq., you’d acknowledge that. Sadly, you do not.

Where does the 14th require a conviction, Adopted?

Considering all the other stuff you gloss over as well, I find pretty fing funny you are whining about 'intellectual integrity here.

Lol.

8 years of consequences are coming to fruition. Hope you're all ready to see the downfall of nearly two centuries of political prestige

(12-19-2023 09:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It is written in the Constitution, and it is up to the states to see how they run their elections. Other states could follow suit and disqualify Trump as well. It is in the Constitution that Clinton and Obama can't run for a third term, and it is also in the constitution that Arnold can't run since he was born in Austria. This suit that was brought to get Trump off the ballots was done by Republicans.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

(12-19-2023 09:34 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It is written in the Constitution, and it is up to the states to see how they run their elections. Other states could follow suit and disqualify Trump as well. It is in the Constitution that Clinton and Obama can't run for a third term, and it is also in the constitution that Arnold can't run since he was born in Austria. This suit that was brought to get Trump off the ballots was done by Republicans.

States can run their elections with whatever procedure they want. Voter ID, no voter ID, poll close times, early voting procedures, etc.

To not acknowledge that this move is unprecedented and divisive makes you a phony in this discussion. He’s not been convicted of anything in the eyes of the law. People in robes are taking the voting rights away from millions of people who they supposedly serve. Don’t be stupid.

You clearly have not read any of the Constitution and leftists couldn’t care less about what it says. Complete total hypocrites.

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Apparently while you complain about not reading the Constitution, you apparently haven't read the 14th amendment 3rd clause.

(12-19-2023 09:40 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It is written in the Constitution, and it is up to the states to see how they run their elections. Other states could follow suit and disqualify Trump as well. It is in the Constitution that Clinton and Obama can't run for a third term, and it is also in the constitution that Arnold can't run since he was born in Austria. This suit that was brought to get Trump off the ballots was done by Republicans.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Maybe read 14th 3rd clause with equal vigor.

(12-19-2023 09:33 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Wonder how high Trump's numbers will increase because of this? Everything he said is coming true. And they say HE will be the dictator. Most powerful POTUS ever. Prove me wrong.

Doesn't matter how high in CO it seems

(12-19-2023 08:35 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 08:23 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 07:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 06:56 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  To anyone who thinks this stops with Trump moving forward, you’re wrong. It will be used again if this is allowed to stand. Yet another slippery slope ruling that will destroy the system.


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Easy fix.

1. Don’t tell people to go to the Capitol and fight the counting of the electoral votes —- expect problems when they breach the voting floor and stop it.

2. Don’t tell your VP to use your votes instead of those certified by the state.

3. Don’t tell your VP when he won’t substitute the uncertified votes in place of those certified by the state to simply throw out the certified votes.

Those are all very good and sound reasons for an American citizen to decide for himself or herself not to vote for Donald Trump in 2024.

Those are not good reasons for a state, by judicial fiat, to exclude an non-convict from appearing on the ballot.

If you had an ounce of intellectual integrity, tanq., you’d acknowledge that. Sadly, you do not.

This is exactly correct…

It’s very undemocratic to unilaterally disenfranchise millions of people in your state, with the purpose of doing it across the US.


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I guess the age restriction of 45 is similarly disenfranchising. Let's just ignore it based on the logic above I guess.

(12-19-2023 09:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:34 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It is written in the Constitution, and it is up to the states to see how they run their elections. Other states could follow suit and disqualify Trump as well. It is in the Constitution that Clinton and Obama can't run for a third term, and it is also in the constitution that Arnold can't run since he was born in Austria. This suit that was brought to get Trump off the ballots was done by Republicans.

States can run their elections with whatever procedure they want. Voter ID, no voter ID, poll close times, early voting procedures, etc.

To not acknowledge that this move is unprecedented and divisive makes you a phony in this discussion. He’s not been convicted of anything in the eyes of the law. People in robes are taking the voting rights away from millions of people who they supposedly serve. Don’t be stupid.

You clearly have not read any of the Constitution and leftists couldn’t care less about what it says. Complete total hypocrites.

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Apparently while you complain about not reading the Constitution, you apparently haven't read the 14th amendment 3rd clause.

No I read it. It’s vague writing with only two other legal precedents.

Where is your legal proof that he engaged in “insurrection?” Colorado is using an ongoing investigation without due process in order to make a politically motivated decision.

At this point you’re just trolling, so I will not respond to your future diatribes in this thread.


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(12-19-2023 07:56 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Wasn’t he president at the time? How can one insurrect against himself as head of the government? Biden was neither president nor certified at that moment but presumptive based on projected voting numbers

The clause reads on insurrection being an act against rightful operation of the government under the Constitution. The office of the President us not the complete Constitutional order.

"The more I think about it, ole Billy was right. Lets kill all the lawyers, kill 'em TONIGHT."

14th Amendment. The CO supreme court violated Section 1. Therefore Section 3 cannot be satisfied.

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

(12-19-2023 09:50 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:34 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It is written in the Constitution, and it is up to the states to see how they run their elections. Other states could follow suit and disqualify Trump as well. It is in the Constitution that Clinton and Obama can't run for a third term, and it is also in the constitution that Arnold can't run since he was born in Austria. This suit that was brought to get Trump off the ballots was done by Republicans.

States can run their elections with whatever procedure they want. Voter ID, no voter ID, poll close times, early voting procedures, etc.

To not acknowledge that this move is unprecedented and divisive makes you a phony in this discussion. He’s not been convicted of anything in the eyes of the law. People in robes are taking the voting rights away from millions of people who they supposedly serve. Don’t be stupid.

You clearly have not read any of the Constitution and leftists couldn’t care less about what it says. Complete total hypocrites.

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Apparently while you complain about not reading the Constitution, you apparently haven't read the 14th amendment 3rd clause.

No I read it. It’s vague writing with only two other legal precedents.

Where is your legal proof that he engaged in “insurrection?” Colorado is using an ongoing investigation without due process in order to make a politically motivated decision.

At this point you’re just trolling, so I will not respond to your future diatribes in this thread.


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The legal proof is in the section called 'Findings of Fact' in the lower court decision, notwithstanding your hand waving.

And he has had 'due process'. He absolutely engaged in his spirited defense in the courts in CO.

Don't confuse the concept of 'no due process' with 'the courts didn't see it your way after you presented your case.'

(12-19-2023 09:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:40 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It is written in the Constitution, and it is up to the states to see how they run their elections. Other states could follow suit and disqualify Trump as well. It is in the Constitution that Clinton and Obama can't run for a third term, and it is also in the constitution that Arnold can't run since he was born in Austria. This suit that was brought to get Trump off the ballots was done by Republicans.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Maybe read 14th 3rd clause with equal vigor.

Dummy….He was the President at the time and cannot engage in insurrection against himself. Plus it explicitly states it’s a congressional matter not a state matter

Section 3

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

(12-19-2023 09:55 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  14th Amendment. The CO supreme court violated Section 1. Therefore Section 3 cannot be satisfied.

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

LOL.

Your rando piles of stuff musings ate quite amusing.

(12-19-2023 09:57 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:55 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  14th Amendment. The CO supreme court violated Section 1. Therefore Section 3 cannot be satisfied.

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

LOL.

Your rando piles of stuff musings ate quite amusing.

Whatever Lawyer. lol