(12-24-2023 06:51 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF, Tulane, and UConn seem like the most logical choices. Also, try to peel off Cincinnati, UCF, or West Virginia from the Big 12.

No one is peeling off from the B12 to join a watered down ACC. FSU won't be the only team leaving...

I voted Memphis, they’re ready to go day 1 and they bring a new and very enthusiastic market. USF is 2nd just bc they’re a reasonable Florida backfill.

(12-24-2023 07:06 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 06:51 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF, Tulane, and UConn seem like the most logical choices. Also, try to peel off Cincinnati, UCF, or West Virginia from the Big 12.

No one is peeling off from the B12 to join a watered down ACC. FSU won't be the only team leaving...

Minimum of 4 to a maximum of 6 will be joining the Big10 and/or SEC

If the ACC's Grant of Rights get pierced, then anyone's Grant of Rights can be pierced.

Big XII schools will definitely be poachable, and I see that as more likely than not.

The new ACC will be flush with exit fees .... and the price to get out will have been established. FSU is saying that's almost $600 million dollars. NONE of the schools tabbed for the Big XII will spend that kind of coin to go make the same money they're making now.


WVU
Cincy
UCF
USF
UCONN
.... these make sense for the eastern part of the conference. If you actually ranked these schools, you may put the two Florida schools on top. If WVU or Cincy balk, you go to UCONN (maybe a better value than either WVU or UC because they're nationally relevant in hoops) and maybe add someone from either the middle of the country, or the west.

Memphis
Tulane
Colorado State
.... make sense for the middle part of the country

San Diego State
Washington State
Oregon State
Fresno State
UNLV
.... make sense for the west coast

Quit trying to save the ACC's pride. It's not happening. All I've heard from the experts for OVER ONE YEAR is how no one would ever join the B12. First, it was no way in hades Colorado would ever join. Then, no way Arizona or the remaining four corners would ever join. Way more valuable to stay in the P12. Right! Except you were wrong. There is strength in numbers and a strong connection in hoops is why the B12 will become the remaining power conference after the B1G/SEC. We also have Brett Yormark, yet again, the so called experts have ripped him from day one and yet here we are. Some of you ACC dreamers need to see reality. No one is leaving the B12 for a conference that invited Cal and Stanford for a reduced rate and SMU for a bargain basement price less FSU, UNC, Clemson, et. al. Not happening. Get over it.

UConn, USF, or Tulane. They’ll likely wait to see if they can get a Big 12 invite, but like SMU/Cal won’t, and end up on a gutted ACC

When Florida State leaves, other ACC schools may leave. It is best to wait and see.

SEC and Big Ten can lead and determine how these schools should operate.

All conferences may implode, and a replacement for the NCAA may follow.

If the goal is a crumbling ACC, then you need below 15 teams for ESPN to have the ability to renegotiate, and for ESPN to choose to open up the contract. Not sure that happens, I think ESPN only pays more for SEC if there is expansion into new states (ie. NC/VA) other than that what is the financial pull? Make SEC teams give up some funds? Might be more cost effective to try to keep the ACC together and make Fox be the cause with them, ESPN, coming in on their white horse (easier for Disney to explain to the shareholders pushing hard for more net income).

The acc having lost 6 or 8 schools will have to reach downward to replace as have everyone. So the Big12 teams will remain in the big12 leaving the acc to add AAC MWC CUSA sbc or Mac schools

(12-24-2023 07:06 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 06:51 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF, Tulane, and UConn seem like the most logical choices. Also, try to peel off Cincinnati, UCF, or West Virginia from the Big 12.

No one is peeling off from the B12 to join a watered down ACC. FSU won't be the only team leaving...

Notice I said try. I didn’t say it would be successful.

No Expansion seems like a no brainer. If FSU leaves there will be 16 teams in the conference. That's a great number for a conference.

If you have to go to 18 and don't want to wait until B12 teams become available, go with USF and Tulane. I could be convinced to swap out one of those 2 for UConn as well.

Buffalo, UAB, Temple, Navy for Notre Dame to stay, Rice, Tulane, Memphis, USF, ODU, Villanova, Delaware, UTSA, Georgia State, Stony Brook, Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV or UNR, San Diego State, Utah State are all R1 schools.

UTSA and the UT medical school in San Antonio are being looked at on how to merged the two together. That would jump the UTSA standings in academics big time.

I have been saying a maximum of two ACC schools would leave before the GoR expires and I still stand by that position.

We will see but I don’t think the ACC will not easily settle.

(12-24-2023 07:09 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I voted Memphis, they’re ready to go day 1 and they bring a new and very enthusiastic market. USF is 2nd just bc they’re a reasonable Florida backfill.

Personally I think Memphis would be a great add for the B12.

(12-24-2023 06:51 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF, Tulane, and UConn seem like the most logical choices. Also, try to peel off Cincinnati, UCF, or West Virginia from the Big 12.

LIKE ^^^

IF ACC loses 6-8 teams (depending on which teams) THEN

B12 ===> ACC
Cincinnati (R1), UCF (R1), West Virginia (R1)
> Cincinnati, UCF, West Virginia are offered a more regional P4 conference choice...

ACC ===> B12
Cal, Stanford, SMU
>Cal, Stanford, SMU show the same loyalty to the ACC as they did to their old conferences and bail for the B12 for the three (3) vacated B12 spots...

AAC ===> ACC
USF (AAU), Tulane (AAU), Memphis (R1), UConn (R1)
> USF, Tulane, Memphis, UConn given their opportunity to play with the ACC left behinds...

The equation for the ACC is does ESPN find it still valuable enough without UNC FSU Clemson Miami (most likely first four out)?

I don’t see how that is an AQ conference. There is just nothing that’s on par with even Big 12 pro-rata value. Literally every penny of the settlement would have to be used if they have a prayer to bring in Big 12 east teams. Stanford and Cal prevents this almost 95% given the travel obligations (even subsidized). If the Big 12 Presidents are incentivized to let go of eastern teams it’s possible, but I don’t see a mechanism at this point. Are the PAC2 more valuable than UL and Pitt? No.

Following the first four, I suspect UL Pitt GaTech will go to the Big 12. Duke/NCSU (or both) and VAs (one or both) will also head there. That’s over 20 schools though. Do they look at ‘Cuse and UConn or would Fox rather bolster the Big East package and let ESPN figure out the football for the remaining privates? Either way, I see the Big 12 going over 21 schools.

(12-24-2023 04:26 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  WVU admins have zero desire to move to the ACC, especially now. 10 years ago yes, now, no shot.

There it is^^. No one even knows if espn will opt out of its deal with acc or not in 2027 or whatever year. Besides it seems clear to me that the acc is evolving into a private school league, with prob Tulane and Rice on the way.

I bet Duke, Stanford, BC, Wake, SMU etc would be very comfortable with that type of setup. However WVU doesn’t need or want to be in a league like that.

Jackson

Memphis seems quite logical. Good basketball, decent football, new state, plan to upgrade facilities.

(12-24-2023 07:22 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  If the ACC's Grant of Rights get pierced, then anyone's Grant of Rights can be pierced.

Big XII schools will definitely be poachable, and I see that as more likely than not.

The new ACC will be flush with exit fees .... and the price to get out will have been established. FSU is saying that's almost $600 million dollars. NONE of the schools tabbed for the Big XII will spend that kind of coin to go make the same money they're making now.


WVU
Cincy
UCF
USF
UCONN
.... these make sense for the eastern part of the conference. If you actually ranked these schools, you may put the two Florida schools on top. If WVU or Cincy balk, you go to UCONN (maybe a better value than either WVU or UC because they're nationally relevant in hoops) and maybe add someone from either the middle of the country, or the west.

Memphis
Tulane
Colorado State
.... make sense for the middle part of the country

San Diego State
Washington State
Oregon State
Fresno State
UNLV
.... make sense for the west coast

You contradict yourself. "nobody will spend $600m to make the same money" followed by a list that includes several big 12 schools that are surprisingly interested in joining an unstable conference that's ripe for more defections, just so they can make a little bit more until 2031, followed by about the same or perhaps a bit less from 2031 to 2036, followed by membership in the Magnolia Conference.

(12-25-2023 01:03 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 07:09 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I voted Memphis, they’re ready to go day 1 and they bring a new and very enthusiastic market. USF is 2nd just bc they’re a reasonable Florida backfill.

Personally I think Memphis would be a great add for the B12.

Yeah, Memphis is ready day one for either of the M2, but the Big 12 doesn't need any more right now. It's funny, I always thought their best shot was the Big 12, then the Pac, with the ACC a distant hope for the far future, but that future could be here much sooner than most of us expected.