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(12-30-2023 12:26 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 11:51 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 10:51 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 10:18 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Out of curiosity, I looked this up. Posting KenPom rankings just as additional information on if we are facing easy/tough competition.

2014 (175-our ranking):
WVA -58 L
St Louis- 35 L
Marshall 236 W
MTSU 89 L
1-3

2015 (70)
LSU 49- W
Illinois State 62- L
Gardner Webb 212- W
MTSU 158 L
Stanford 39 L
3-6

2016 (100)
Purdue 9 L
St Joes 43 L
FAU 293 W
LT 154 W
WKY 169 W
MTSU 119 L
Tenn Tech 196 W
UC Santa Barbara 105 W
Oakland 79 W
9-9

2017 (120)
Louisville 9 L
LSU 172 L
St Johns 99 W
Marshall 149 L
10-12

2018 (64)
Temple 86 L
Indiana State 138 W
Dayton 172 W
NSU 312 W
LT 149 W
WKY 47 L
14-14

2019 (113)
Oregon State 81 L
Kennesaw St 339 W
Northern Iowa 177 L
LT 141 W
UAB 147 W
WKY 116 W
Purdue 9 L
18-17

2020 (171)
George Mason 174 L
Wazzou 127 L
Loyola 101 L
FAU 191 L
18-21

2021 (152)
North Texas 72 L
18-22

2022 (194)
Indiana State 230 L
ECU 179 L
Penn 211 L
UTEP 168 L
18-26

2023 (177)
VT 80 L
Furman 92 W
Davidson 140 L
Texas State 190 L
19-29

2024 (237)
TCU 38 L
Temple 205 W
UMASS 101 L
20-31


I would say we have done pretty well in the preseason tournaments considering the level of competition. The outlier was the year Jones was out and we got smoked over 3 games in the worst display of basketball since Blaines last year.

The results in the conference tournament have not been as good.

To me, the lack of success in the conference tournament is more alarming than anything. You play these teams once or twice per year, so that gives you a legit scouting report to work from while preparing for your first conference tournament game. It is extremely hard to not point finger at coaching when looking at the record. If it happens once or twice you say maybe they played a team that got hot. If it happens more than that you call it a trend. We really struggle to score points in the first rounds of conference tournaments which means other coaches are making the necessary adjustments to defend our offense, and we are not making the adjustments to score. COACHING.

Yeah a couple things really stand out here. Props for putting that together by the way. And I don’t have any complaints really before the championship season…

But post championship season they are 2-14 on a neutral court. And 0-4 in the conf tournament. How we going to sugar coat that? Embarrassing. . And let’s not try to act like those three games didn’t happen in that Myrtle beach tournament. I’m not sure we can blame backup coaches for that. That team stunk. They still lose those game with or without Jeff. 2-14. And most of those con tournament losses are embarrassing. 36 points! UAB smoked us a few years ago as well. It’s bad. Really bad.

You want to keep bringing up BTs last year. That’s one season. Not ongoing misery. I’d rather be terrible and then build again than just stay mediocre over a long period of time. That’s how you kill a fanbase. 5-25 doesn’t destroy an entire generation of fans.

Im certainly not sugarcoating, i posted the analysis.

As far as Mrytle Beach, those were 3 teams that were on our level and we were even competitive. Our team wasnt good but the opposition wasnt either. There is a recognizable difference between those 3 games and the remaining schedule.i wouldnt say we lose those games but it really doesnt prove anything either way, just another data point.

I brought up BTs season as a reference point since it was the last season before Jones.

I would go far as to say that I was happy with the performance until the year before the championship year. The teams before that were generally really good. The championship team just had a down year in conference and we won close games and got into the tournament.

The performance since then has been subpar but I dont have concerns about ruining the fanbase.

You're shitting me, right? It's already been ruined.

Why, bc a few fans on a message board are upset? How does our attendance compare to our peers?

(12-30-2023 12:44 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:26 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 11:51 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 10:51 AM)757ODU Wrote:  To me, the lack of success in the conference tournament is more alarming than anything. You play these teams once or twice per year, so that gives you a legit scouting report to work from while preparing for your first conference tournament game. It is extremely hard to not point finger at coaching when looking at the record. If it happens once or twice you say maybe they played a team that got hot. If it happens more than that you call it a trend. We really struggle to score points in the first rounds of conference tournaments which means other coaches are making the necessary adjustments to defend our offense, and we are not making the adjustments to score. COACHING.

Yeah a couple things really stand out here. Props for putting that together by the way. And I don’t have any complaints really before the championship season…

But post championship season they are 2-14 on a neutral court. And 0-4 in the conf tournament. How we going to sugar coat that? Embarrassing. . And let’s not try to act like those three games didn’t happen in that Myrtle beach tournament. I’m not sure we can blame backup coaches for that. That team stunk. They still lose those game with or without Jeff. 2-14. And most of those con tournament losses are embarrassing. 36 points! UAB smoked us a few years ago as well. It’s bad. Really bad.

You want to keep bringing up BTs last year. That’s one season. Not ongoing misery. I’d rather be terrible and then build again than just stay mediocre over a long period of time. That’s how you kill a fanbase. 5-25 doesn’t destroy an entire generation of fans.

Im certainly not sugarcoating, i posted the analysis.

As far as Mrytle Beach, those were 3 teams that were on our level and we were even competitive. Our team wasnt good but the opposition wasnt either. There is a recognizable difference between those 3 games and the remaining schedule.i wouldnt say we lose those games but it really doesnt prove anything either way, just another data point.

I brought up BTs season as a reference point since it was the last season before Jones.

I would go far as to say that I was happy with the performance until the year before the championship year. The teams before that were generally really good. The championship team just had a down year in conference and we won close games and got into the tournament.

The performance since then has been subpar but I dont have concerns about ruining the fanbase.

You're shitting me, right? It's already been ruined.

Why, bc a few fans on a message board are upset? How does our attendance compare to our peers?

Wrong question. Because our "peers" right now are low major teams, and this conference - beyond 3 or 4 programs - stinks on ice in basketball. We should be asking, how does our attendance compare to the time when we were having success in basketball (our potential)? Or the teams we would like to emulate (high level mid majors).

We all know, the answer is that it doesn't. We have been on a downward trend in attendance for years now. There's an obvious reason. Not only is the attendance worse by a fair margin - the "juice" in the building is way down as well. Energy in our stadium and the home court advantage has been dwindling right along with the attendance.

Our program is in the toilet right now. I hope we have finally gotten to the point where the admin will say "enough"

(12-30-2023 01:06 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:44 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:26 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 11:51 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Yeah a couple things really stand out here. Props for putting that together by the way. And I don’t have any complaints really before the championship season…

But post championship season they are 2-14 on a neutral court. And 0-4 in the conf tournament. How we going to sugar coat that? Embarrassing. . And let’s not try to act like those three games didn’t happen in that Myrtle beach tournament. I’m not sure we can blame backup coaches for that. That team stunk. They still lose those game with or without Jeff. 2-14. And most of those con tournament losses are embarrassing. 36 points! UAB smoked us a few years ago as well. It’s bad. Really bad.

You want to keep bringing up BTs last year. That’s one season. Not ongoing misery. I’d rather be terrible and then build again than just stay mediocre over a long period of time. That’s how you kill a fanbase. 5-25 doesn’t destroy an entire generation of fans.

Im certainly not sugarcoating, i posted the analysis.

As far as Mrytle Beach, those were 3 teams that were on our level and we were even competitive. Our team wasnt good but the opposition wasnt either. There is a recognizable difference between those 3 games and the remaining schedule.i wouldnt say we lose those games but it really doesnt prove anything either way, just another data point.

I brought up BTs season as a reference point since it was the last season before Jones.

I would go far as to say that I was happy with the performance until the year before the championship year. The teams before that were generally really good. The championship team just had a down year in conference and we won close games and got into the tournament.

The performance since then has been subpar but I dont have concerns about ruining the fanbase.

You're shitting me, right? It's already been ruined.

Why, bc a few fans on a message board are upset? How does our attendance compare to our peers?

Wrong question. Because our "peers" right now are low major teams, and this conference - beyond 3 or 4 programs - stinks on ice in basketball. We should be asking, how does our attendance compare to the time when we were having success in basketball (our potential)? Or the teams we would like to emulate (high level mid majors).

We all know, the answer is that it doesn't. We have been on a downward trend in attendance for years now. There's an obvious reason. Not only is the attendance worse by a fair margin - the "juice" in the building is way down as well. Energy in our stadium and the home court advantage has been dwindling right along with the attendance.

Our program is in the toilet right now. I hope we have finally gotten to the point where the admin will say "enough"

Im not speaking on how well our team is, but whether fans have mailed it in. They havent

(12-30-2023 01:16 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 01:06 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:44 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:26 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Im certainly not sugarcoating, i posted the analysis.

As far as Mrytle Beach, those were 3 teams that were on our level and we were even competitive. Our team wasnt good but the opposition wasnt either. There is a recognizable difference between those 3 games and the remaining schedule.i wouldnt say we lose those games but it really doesnt prove anything either way, just another data point.

I brought up BTs season as a reference point since it was the last season before Jones.

I would go far as to say that I was happy with the performance until the year before the championship year. The teams before that were generally really good. The championship team just had a down year in conference and we won close games and got into the tournament.

The performance since then has been subpar but I dont have concerns about ruining the fanbase.

You're shitting me, right? It's already been ruined.

Why, bc a few fans on a message board are upset? How does our attendance compare to our peers?

Wrong question. Because our "peers" right now are low major teams, and this conference - beyond 3 or 4 programs - stinks on ice in basketball. We should be asking, how does our attendance compare to the time when we were having success in basketball (our potential)? Or the teams we would like to emulate (high level mid majors).

We all know, the answer is that it doesn't. We have been on a downward trend in attendance for years now. There's an obvious reason. Not only is the attendance worse by a fair margin - the "juice" in the building is way down as well. Energy in our stadium and the home court advantage has been dwindling right along with the attendance.

Our program is in the toilet right now. I hope we have finally gotten to the point where the admin will say "enough"

Im not speaking on how well our team is, but whether fans have mailed it in. They havent

A lot of longtime and hardcore ODU fans don't attend the games like they used to. Potential young fans for the future that make it out to a game or games aren't getting the same level of excitement from the games to ignite their own passion for ODU basketball. Damage is being done. Hopefully it gets turned around quickly after this season.

(12-30-2023 01:16 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 01:06 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:44 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:26 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Im certainly not sugarcoating, i posted the analysis.

As far as Mrytle Beach, those were 3 teams that were on our level and we were even competitive. Our team wasnt good but the opposition wasnt either. There is a recognizable difference between those 3 games and the remaining schedule.i wouldnt say we lose those games but it really doesnt prove anything either way, just another data point.

I brought up BTs season as a reference point since it was the last season before Jones.

I would go far as to say that I was happy with the performance until the year before the championship year. The teams before that were generally really good. The championship team just had a down year in conference and we won close games and got into the tournament.

The performance since then has been subpar but I dont have concerns about ruining the fanbase.

You're shitting me, right? It's already been ruined.

Why, bc a few fans on a message board are upset? How does our attendance compare to our peers?

Wrong question. Because our "peers" right now are low major teams, and this conference - beyond 3 or 4 programs - stinks on ice in basketball. We should be asking, how does our attendance compare to the time when we were having success in basketball (our potential)? Or the teams we would like to emulate (high level mid majors).

We all know, the answer is that it doesn't. We have been on a downward trend in attendance for years now. There's an obvious reason. Not only is the attendance worse by a fair margin - the "juice" in the building is way down as well. Energy in our stadium and the home court advantage has been dwindling right along with the attendance.

Our program is in the toilet right now. I hope we have finally gotten to the point where the admin will say "enough"

Im not speaking on how well our team is, but whether fans have mailed it in. They havent

Dude, open your eyes. I'm seriously beginning to wonder if you're and athletic department plant. Your takes are absurd when it comes to the state of the athletic program. If you can't see the difference in attendance and energy, you need to open your eyes... Either that or you're just trolling.

(12-30-2023 04:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 01:16 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 01:06 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:44 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:26 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  [/b]

You're shitting me, right? It's already been ruined.

Why, bc a few fans on a message board are upset? How does our attendance compare to our peers?

Wrong question. Because our "peers" right now are low major teams, and this conference - beyond 3 or 4 programs - stinks on ice in basketball. We should be asking, how does our attendance compare to the time when we were having success in basketball (our potential)? Or the teams we would like to emulate (high level mid majors).

We all know, the answer is that it doesn't. We have been on a downward trend in attendance for years now. There's an obvious reason. Not only is the attendance worse by a fair margin - the "juice" in the building is way down as well. Energy in our stadium and the home court advantage has been dwindling right along with the attendance.

Our program is in the toilet right now. I hope we have finally gotten to the point where the admin will say "enough"

Im not speaking on how well our team is, but whether fans have mailed it in. They havent

Dude, open your eyes. I'm seriously beginning to wonder if you're and athletic department plant. Your takes are absurd when it comes to the state of the athletic program. If you can't see the difference in attendance and energy, you need to open your eyes... Either that or you're just trolling.

It bears a reminder here that the poster in question was formerly GilesFan, and “Giles” backwards is “Selig”.

(12-30-2023 05:10 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 04:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 01:16 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 01:06 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:44 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Why, bc a few fans on a message board are upset? How does our attendance compare to our peers?

Wrong question. Because our "peers" right now are low major teams, and this conference - beyond 3 or 4 programs - stinks on ice in basketball. We should be asking, how does our attendance compare to the time when we were having success in basketball (our potential)? Or the teams we would like to emulate (high level mid majors).

We all know, the answer is that it doesn't. We have been on a downward trend in attendance for years now. There's an obvious reason. Not only is the attendance worse by a fair margin - the "juice" in the building is way down as well. Energy in our stadium and the home court advantage has been dwindling right along with the attendance.

Our program is in the toilet right now. I hope we have finally gotten to the point where the admin will say "enough"

Im not speaking on how well our team is, but whether fans have mailed it in. They havent

Dude, open your eyes. I'm seriously beginning to wonder if you're and athletic department plant. Your takes are absurd when it comes to the state of the athletic program. If you can't see the difference in attendance and energy, you need to open your eyes... Either that or you're just trolling.

It bears a reminder here that the poster in question was formerly GilesFan, and “Giles” backwards is “Selig”.

Salient point.

It would be ******* hilarious if Wood Selig posted on forums over a decade with thousands of posts giving mealy mouthed defenses of his athletic department and bragging about cashing ODU bets as they are double digit underdogs via a bookie since betting on VA colleges isn’t allowed in VA. I hope it’s true.

So. Ala. has to have the WORST-looking uniforms in the conference. My wife describes them as Popeye outfits.

Turns out those were just warmups.

(12-30-2023 06:51 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Turns out those were just warmups.

I was gonna say, I didn't get the Popeye reference.

(12-30-2023 01:16 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 01:06 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:44 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:26 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Im certainly not sugarcoating, i posted the analysis.

As far as Mrytle Beach, those were 3 teams that were on our level and we were even competitive. Our team wasnt good but the opposition wasnt either. There is a recognizable difference between those 3 games and the remaining schedule.i wouldnt say we lose those games but it really doesnt prove anything either way, just another data point.

I brought up BTs season as a reference point since it was the last season before Jones.

I would go far as to say that I was happy with the performance until the year before the championship year. The teams before that were generally really good. The championship team just had a down year in conference and we won close games and got into the tournament.

The performance since then has been subpar but I dont have concerns about ruining the fanbase.

You're shitting me, right? It's already been ruined.

Why, bc a few fans on a message board are upset? How does our attendance compare to our peers?

Wrong question. Because our "peers" right now are low major teams, and this conference - beyond 3 or 4 programs - stinks on ice in basketball. We should be asking, how does our attendance compare to the time when we were having success in basketball (our potential)? Or the teams we would like to emulate (high level mid majors).

We all know, the answer is that it doesn't. We have been on a downward trend in attendance for years now. There's an obvious reason. Not only is the attendance worse by a fair margin - the "juice" in the building is way down as well. Energy in our stadium and the home court advantage has been dwindling right along with the attendance.

Our program is in the toilet right now. I hope we have finally gotten to the point where the admin will say "enough"

Im not speaking on how well our team is, but whether fans have mailed it in. They havent

Ughhh...really ? are you not aware of our horrible season ticket sales. You can't even give tickets away. Typical lack of awareness post.

(12-30-2023 05:15 PM)mac Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 05:10 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 04:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 01:16 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 01:06 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Wrong question. Because our "peers" right now are low major teams, and this conference - beyond 3 or 4 programs - stinks on ice in basketball. We should be asking, how does our attendance compare to the time when we were having success in basketball (our potential)? Or the teams we would like to emulate (high level mid majors).

We all know, the answer is that it doesn't. We have been on a downward trend in attendance for years now. There's an obvious reason. Not only is the attendance worse by a fair margin - the "juice" in the building is way down as well. Energy in our stadium and the home court advantage has been dwindling right along with the attendance.

Our program is in the toilet right now. I hope we have finally gotten to the point where the admin will say "enough"

Im not speaking on how well our team is, but whether fans have mailed it in. They havent

Dude, open your eyes. I'm seriously beginning to wonder if you're and athletic department plant. Your takes are absurd when it comes to the state of the athletic program. If you can't see the difference in attendance and energy, you need to open your eyes... Either that or you're just trolling.

It bears a reminder here that the poster in question was formerly GilesFan, and “Giles” backwards is “Selig”.

Salient point.

And has never denied it…

Billy Mann is hard to listen to..

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Whole lot of contact going on when we are on offense and its definitely not being called but playing through.

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(12-30-2023 07:36 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Whole lot of contact going on when we are on offense and its definitely not being called but playing through.

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Sunbelt refs let them play. I think we are playing pretty well. We are so much better when we move the ball on offense.

We'd be up 20 if we could hit layups.

Solid Inbound play to end the half

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(12-30-2023 07:41 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  We'd be up 20 if we could hit layups.

Wide open layups at that

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(12-30-2023 07:40 PM)odubsu Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 07:36 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Whole lot of contact going on when we are on offense and its definitely not being called but playing through.

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Sunbelt refs let them play. I think we are playing pretty well. We are so much better when we move the ball on offense.

Think the bald white white guy did a Final Four game last year. I thought he swallowed his whistle at our end. We started slow, but got going. Still don't know how a team full of guards, can't hit 3s.