(12-29-2023 11:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 12:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 12:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Congratulations Arizona!

PAC defeats Big 12

Simple really. Turn it over 6 times and you lose.

And if your first time starter tries to stay in the pocket for 15-20 seconds bad things will happen. Turnovers, 7 holding penalties. Don’t think OU had 7 holding penalties in any SEASON in Big 12. Of course Big 12 doesn’t really believe you can hold on passing plays.

It's going to be interesting to see all the conference shifts in the prism of what you're saying with how games are officiated.

And would say it's a bit noteworthy that the officiating crew last night in that game was from.... the SEC.

(12-29-2023 11:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 12:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 12:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Congratulations Arizona!

PAC defeats Big 12

Simple really. Turn it over 6 times and you lose.

And if your first time starter tries to stay in the pocket for 15-20 seconds bad things will happen. Turnovers, 7 holding penalties. Don’t think OU had 7 holding penalties in any SEASON in Big 12. Of course Big 12 doesn’t really believe you can hold on passing plays.

It's going to be interesting to see all the conference shifts in the prism of what you're saying with how games are officiated.

And would say it's a bit noteworthy that the officiating crew last night in that game was from.... the SEC.

That is why I'm for officials being paid for by all of the conferences to be trained at the same facility and taught to make calls using the same protocols for determining a foul. Pass interference and holding calls need to be standardized as much as is possible. In bowls it makes a difference to players who thought all season long that certain techniques were legal when they run up against another conference's officiating crews and for the one game it's hard to adapt what has been normal all season until then. The most nonstandard way of calling games was out West. PAC officials were a breed unto themselves, making ACC officials look downright consistent.

When an SEC school played in a game with Big 10 officials I didn't have a problem. They call things very similarly to SEC officials. Big 12 officials you just knew you were going to see much more handsy pass coverage, and as Bullet noted less holding calls. Back of the jersey tug would get called, hooking an arm not so much.

If the sport is going to national playoffs, we need standardized officiating and you get a better chance at that if all officials are credentialed at the same officiating school and if a crew of officials over the course of the season calls games in all parts of the country.

One thing, OU was missing a lot more talent this game from transfers, etc

(12-29-2023 10:29 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 09:35 AM)HighPitch1819 Wrote:  The new big 12 is killing it in bowl season !

New Big 12 Bowl Results
Texas Tech 34 Cal 14
Ga Tech 30 UCF 17
Northwestern 14 Utah 7
Kansas 49 UNLV 36
Okla St 31 A&M 23
West Virginia 30 UNC 10
Arizona 38 Oklahoma 24
Kansas St 28 NC St 19

6-2 so far. The season closes with Iowa St vs Memphis today.

That Northwestern result...man, what a turnaround for them. Clearly, it was time to move on from Fitzgerald, they just didn't know it yet. Maybe they end up paying him a ton of money, maybe not, but either way it's better for them that he's gone (or at least no longer the head coach).

(12-29-2023 11:49 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 12:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 12:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Congratulations Arizona!

PAC defeats Big 12

Simple really. Turn it over 6 times and you lose.

And if your first time starter tries to stay in the pocket for 15-20 seconds bad things will happen. Turnovers, 7 holding penalties. Don’t think OU had 7 holding penalties in any SEASON in Big 12. Of course Big 12 doesn’t really believe you can hold on passing plays.

It's going to be interesting to see all the conference shifts in the prism of what you're saying with how games are officiated.

And would say it's a bit noteworthy that the officiating crew last night in that game was from.... the SEC.

That is why I'm for officials being paid for by all of the conferences to be trained at the same facility and taught to make calls using the same protocols for determining a foul. Pass interference and holding calls need to be standardized as much as is possible. In bowls it makes a difference to players who thought all season long that certain techniques were legal when they run up against another conference's officiating crews and for the one game it's hard to adapt what has been normal all season until then. The most nonstandard way of calling games was out West. PAC officials were a breed unto themselves, making ACC officials look downright consistent.

When an SEC school played in a game with Big 10 officials I didn't have a problem. They call things very similarly to SEC officials. Big 12 officials you just knew you were going to see much more handsy pass coverage, and as Bullet noted less holding calls. Back of the jersey tug would get called, hooking an arm not so much.

If the sport is going to national playoffs, we need standardized officiating and you get a better chance at that if all officials are credentialed at the same officiating school and if a crew of officials over the course of the season calls games in all parts of the country.

Completely agree with you.

(12-29-2023 12:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  One thing, OU was missing a lot more talent this game from transfers, etc

https://oklahoma.rivals.com/news/buy-in-...lamo-bowl?

This article indicated that OU had most of their players for this game. It is never perfect for a bowl game, and you don't want to read too much into the results. It would have helped if Dillon Gabriel was out there, but Arizona was missing their left tackle, Jordan Morgan, a first-team All-Pac-12 pick and considered a first or second round pick in the 2024 NFL draft. He opted out for the NFL.

I think Arizona proved that they have a good team. They got better as the season went along, which is indicative of a good coaching job. OU always has talent and I expect them to be better in 2024. Jackson Arnold will get better with experience.

I was at the game last night. Arizona is definitely a good team. I sat there in the 3rd quarter as we were trying to score to go up 31-13, thinking, "we're about to have this in the bag...and we're getting a win over a good team". Next play is a tip and a pick 6, and it's all downhill from there.

I don't know how we'll compete in the SEC, but we're getting better. However, when you have six turnovers and eight penalties, you deserve to lose. Reminded me of the wishbone days when we'd lose five fumbles in a game and lose.

(12-29-2023 11:49 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 11:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 12:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 12:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Congratulations Arizona!

PAC defeats Big 12

Simple really. Turn it over 6 times and you lose.

And if your first time starter tries to stay in the pocket for 15-20 seconds bad things will happen. Turnovers, 7 holding penalties. Don’t think OU had 7 holding penalties in any SEASON in Big 12. Of course Big 12 doesn’t really believe you can hold on passing plays.

It's going to be interesting to see all the conference shifts in the prism of what you're saying with how games are officiated.

And would say it's a bit noteworthy that the officiating crew last night in that game was from.... the SEC.

That is why I'm for officials being paid for by all of the conferences to be trained at the same facility and taught to make calls using the same protocols for determining a foul. Pass interference and holding calls need to be standardized as much as is possible. In bowls it makes a difference to players who thought all season long that certain techniques were legal when they run up against another conference's officiating crews and for the one game it's hard to adapt what has been normal all season until then. The most nonstandard way of calling games was out West. PAC officials were a breed unto themselves, making ACC officials look downright consistent.

When an SEC school played in a game with Big 10 officials I didn't have a problem. They call things very similarly to SEC officials. Big 12 officials you just knew you were going to see much more handsy pass coverage, and as Bullet noted less holding calls. Back of the jersey tug would get called, hooking an arm not so much.

If the sport is going to national playoffs, we need standardized officiating and you get a better chance at that if all officials are credentialed at the same officiating school and if a crew of officials over the course of the season calls games in all parts of the country.

My biggest problem with SEC is not protecting players. They let a lot of late hits and cheap shots to the QB go.