(01-06-2024 04:08 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 06:44 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 05:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:13 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:07 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  No, they don't. Texas was a much better cultural fit for the B1G, yet they still chose the SEC. Why would we leave and deal with all the hassles Texas just decided against, with the added bonus playing most weeks against schools full of people who don't think, act or talk like us? The only way we're leaving the SEC is if everyone else leaves with us to form a P1 or some sort of breakaway.

Yes, they have interest in getting a Texas school.


You can list the reasons A&M wouldn’t be interested all you want. It wasn’t stated A&M would ever be inclined to leave

T.C.U. is the only one remotely with any attributes that the Big 10 would be interested in and that attribute is location, location, location. They do at least earn more than 100 million a year in athletic revenue so with Big 10 money would be around 147 million, or 19 million away from the Big 10 average.

Against them: Private with a smallish enrollment. Not AAU.

I don't see a pathway with Texas and A&M off the board.

What the Big 10 should be concerned about is that it is not off the board for a growing SEC to offer Notre Dame the partial memberships that they like. They owe NBC games, not the Big 10, theri hockey is in the Big 10. They like their southern exposure so a partial is not out of the question at all.

All reasons that TCU would be an interesting addition to the SEC : )

This, of course going back to your idea of 3 schools from Texas...

Texas is a weird setup in that there are 3 schools in the Texas/Oklahoma region that really stand out from the rest. The gap between the top 3 down to the next program is just a huge, yawning chasm in terms of Brand and Realignment Value. I've lived here my entire life other than one summer in Arkansas, and I couldn't tell you the 4th, 5th or 6th biggest Brand. I don't think that adding the 2 biggest brands after A&M and OUT would be worth even one of the big guys. Maybe it takes 2.5 of them to do it. If you need filler, or one of them has 5 Titles and big TV ratings like Miami...ok, maybe. However, nobody has distinguished themselves like that in Texas, so our 3rd school is actually OU, and there is no 4th school. That's true for the SEC, but also for the B1G. Neither of us is in the market for 3rd rate programs. It's Flagships, AAUs, Big Brands with strong history of winning big in Football maybe if they're not Flagship or AAU, but you're not even getting into the conversation if you're dominated in your own region by one or more schools.

I think you answered the 4th biggest brand in many places is Arkansas. In West Texas it’s probably TTU.

(01-06-2024 04:18 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 07:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 07:01 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Time lines matter:

Notre Dame contract extension with NBC expires after the 2029 season. B1G contract cycle ends with the 2029-30 school calendar year. The two are aligned. Big 12 runs out after the 2030-31 school year. It's much longer until the SEC (10 years run out after 2033-34 season) and ACC (after 2035-36 season) contracts with ESPN expire.

Is anyone else in the ACC besides Florida State willing to consider paying $300M, $400M even over $500M to exit? If not Notre Dame in 2029 seems the most logical candidate. But the Irish will be raking in $67M in media ($50M NBC, $17M ACC/ESPN) while ACC schools will be getting less than half that. No pressure on the Irish as along as a CFP path exists, the ACC is strong enough and the money gap to the B1G/SEC is manageable as this contract extension seems to make it.

A partner with Florida State comes down to finding somebody else who is willing to buy their way out of the ACC. A 20th may be more "who is available" than a "whom do we prefer" situation.

The same is true for an 18th in the SEC. Kansas is out there waiting either way. But, ESPN can do something that FOX can't. ESPN can deduct FSU's or another ACC schools' negotiated buyout and exit fee over the next 10 years and pay it to the ACC schools, without forcing FSU to borrow and pay interest, or another school if one is willing and the rumors are it's Clemson, but emphasis on rumors. I'm still expecting FSU to get a total buyout under 300 million, but not much under it. We'll see.

And to Skyhawk, if the SEC ever added a third school in Texas both UT and A&M would have to approve. The only school that either may feel somewhat compelled to support, and I emphasize "somewhat", is Texas Tech, the third largest state school, and it would be politics which "might" push in that direction. So far that interest and push does not exist in a palpable way.

I wouldn't be averse to Texas Tech as an additional Texas school, at least not on "rivalry" or "they're infringing on our market" issues. College Station is quite a bit closer to Baton Rouge than it is to Lubbock, after all. My issue with Texas Tech is the same as my issue with GT, NC St, Ok St, or numerous others: they don't bring the Bacon. If Texas Tech, or any of those others, reels off a couple of National Titles and turns into Clemson 2.0, then their Brand would increase immensely and they might at that point become a worthy addition. If they had a 70k seat stadium that they could fill 7 times every fall, that might turn some heads, too. But we could say that for most Big 12 and ACC schools, right? Miami's brand is still robust after 20 years of pretty good but not all THAT good football. Build a Brand like that and the P2 and networks will notice it. However, in the absence of Big Winning or Big TV ratings/fan support, why would the networks be willing to fork over even SEC - average payouts in the next media rights deal? The bar keeps rising, but I never would have put Texas Tech or any other current Big 12 school above the "Missouri Line", and I certainly wouldn't put them at the new "UCLA line".

You talk a lot about Miami. Which Miami games are you looking at? ESPN has kept their brand on life support with a ton of promotion.

(01-06-2024 08:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 04:08 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 06:44 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 05:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:13 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  Yes, they have interest in getting a Texas school.


You can list the reasons A&M wouldn’t be interested all you want. It wasn’t stated A&M would ever be inclined to leave

T.C.U. is the only one remotely with any attributes that the Big 10 would be interested in and that attribute is location, location, location. They do at least earn more than 100 million a year in athletic revenue so with Big 10 money would be around 147 million, or 19 million away from the Big 10 average.

Against them: Private with a smallish enrollment. Not AAU.

I don't see a pathway with Texas and A&M off the board.

What the Big 10 should be concerned about is that it is not off the board for a growing SEC to offer Notre Dame the partial memberships that they like. They owe NBC games, not the Big 10, theri hockey is in the Big 10. They like their southern exposure so a partial is not out of the question at all.

All reasons that TCU would be an interesting addition to the SEC : )

This, of course going back to your idea of 3 schools from Texas...

Texas is a weird setup in that there are 3 schools in the Texas/Oklahoma region that really stand out from the rest. The gap between the top 3 down to the next program is just a huge, yawning chasm in terms of Brand and Realignment Value. I've lived here my entire life other than one summer in Arkansas, and I couldn't tell you the 4th, 5th or 6th biggest Brand. I don't think that adding the 2 biggest brands after A&M and OUT would be worth even one of the big guys. Maybe it takes 2.5 of them to do it. If you need filler, or one of them has 5 Titles and big TV ratings like Miami...ok, maybe. However, nobody has distinguished themselves like that in Texas, so our 3rd school is actually OU, and there is no 4th school. That's true for the SEC, but also for the B1G. Neither of us is in the market for 3rd rate programs. It's Flagships, AAUs, Big Brands with strong history of winning big in Football maybe if they're not Flagship or AAU, but you're not even getting into the conversation if you're dominated in your own region by one or more schools.

I think you answered the 4th biggest brand in many places is Arkansas. In West Texas it’s probably TTU.

Reunion Arena wasn't Barnhill South for nothing.
https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/199...571392007/