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(01-06-2024 09:10 AM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 09:21 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I don't understand why people are talking about Jeff being hired. He did an incredible job for the first six years. The tournament results leave a lot to be desired, but he did a great job. Being pissed about the hire just means you have something personal against the guy. Very strange to be upset about that. If you are upset that Jeff wasn't fired after the conference tournament last year then you have an actual point, because that is malpractice. The rest of that nonsense are people just looking to say "I told you so". No you didn't, because he was good for 6 years.

I think thats a fair point. The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades.

175
70
100
120
64
113 (won conference tourney)

What happened after that is up for people to debate or opine on.

In terms of last night, you can't have expectations missing your 2 best players and already losing a starter during the season. We can still trash Jones and complain about how bad the team is but when you go in without Jenkins and Allettee (from an already bad team), you aren't competing against many teams in the country. Last night the kids actually played hard and seemed more engaged than they have all year. I don't remember ever seeing the kids on the bench previously engaged in defense chants, but I could have missed it.

If Allette and Jenkins play, this team is still bad but better than the 5 win Blaine Taylor team. I still have PTSD from sitting in the stands watching us lose to Holy Cross at home and score 40 some points.

I have to object about one comment. To say that the 2010-2011 is the best we have been in previous decades sounds like someone who hasn’t followed the program for the years before. Many NCAA bids and top coaches, like Oliver Purcell & Blaine Taylor carried us to many post season tournaments. I wiil admit it is harder on Jeff now, since we now have transfer portal. It’s a recruiter’s nightmare.

Its not even close, that the best team in 30 years

(01-06-2024 10:17 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 09:10 AM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 09:21 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I don't understand why people are talking about Jeff being hired. He did an incredible job for the first six years. The tournament results leave a lot to be desired, but he did a great job. Being pissed about the hire just means you have something personal against the guy. Very strange to be upset about that. If you are upset that Jeff wasn't fired after the conference tournament last year then you have an actual point, because that is malpractice. The rest of that nonsense are people just looking to say "I told you so". No you didn't, because he was good for 6 years.

I think thats a fair point. The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades.

175
70
100
120
64
113 (won conference tourney)

What happened after that is up for people to debate or opine on.

In terms of last night, you can't have expectations missing your 2 best players and already losing a starter during the season. We can still trash Jones and complain about how bad the team is but when you go in without Jenkins and Allettee (from an already bad team), you aren't competing against many teams in the country. Last night the kids actually played hard and seemed more engaged than they have all year. I don't remember ever seeing the kids on the bench previously engaged in defense chants, but I could have missed it.

If Allette and Jenkins play, this team is still bad but better than the 5 win Blaine Taylor team. I still have PTSD from sitting in the stands watching us lose to Holy Cross at home and score 40 some points.

I have to object about one comment. To say that the 2010-2011 is the best we have been in previous decades sounds like someone who hasn’t followed the program for the years before. Many NCAA bids and top coaches, like Oliver Purcell & Blaine Taylor carried us to many post season tournaments. I wiil admit it is harder on Jeff now, since we now have transfer portal. It’s a recruiter’s nightmare.

Its not even close, that the best team in 30 years

There is absolutely no arguing it. That team was the number 1 offensive rebounding team in the country, and a top ten defense in the country. Arguing against that is so silly.

(01-05-2024 02:37 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:07 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 09:21 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I don't understand why people are talking about Jeff being hired. He did an incredible job for the first six years. The tournament results leave a lot to be desired, but he did a great job. Being pissed about the hire just means you have something personal against the guy. Very strange to be upset about that. If you are upset that Jeff wasn't fired after the conference tournament last year then you have an actual point, because that is malpractice. The rest of that nonsense are people just looking to say "I told you so". No you didn't, because he was good for 6 years.

I think thats a fair point. The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades.

175
70
100
120
64
113 (won conference tourney)

What happened after that is up for people to debate or opine on.

In terms of last night, you can't have expectations missing your 2 best players and already losing a starter during the season. We can still trash Jones and complain about how bad the team is but when you go in without Jenkins and Allettee (from an already bad team), you aren't competing against many teams in the country. Last night the kids actually played hard and seemed more engaged than they have all year. I don't remember ever seeing the kids on the bench previously engaged in defense chants, but I could have missed it.

If Allette and Jenkins play, this team is still bad but better than the 5 win Blaine Taylor team. I still have PTSD from sitting in the stands watching us lose to Holy Cross at home and score 40 some points.

Not so fast there SG! The bold portion of your comment above is grossly incorrect.

Much of Paul Webb's time coaching at ODU was within the last 4 decades - and all or nearly all of it falls within 4 decades going up to Jeff's 1st 6 seasons at ODU. Jeff's 1st 6 seasons don't fare well compared to Webb's success.

"In his ten seasons as the Monarchs head coach, Webb's teams advanced to post season play nine times. That includes four NCAA tournaments and five National Invitation Tournaments. His first ODU edition of 1975-76 advanced to the NCAA Division II Final Four. In all, Webb's teams had nine winning seasons, including school record winning seasons of 25-4 in 1976-77 (ODU's first Division I season) and 25-5 in 1979-80 which was ODU's first NCAA Division I tournament appearance. ODU defeated Georgetown, 80-58 for the ECAC South Championship. ODU won a then State record 22 straight games and Webb was named ECAC Upstate-Southern Division Coach-of-the-Year.

In 1978-79, the Monarchs advanced to the National Invitation Tournaments quarter-finals and compiled a 23-7 record. That season, the Monarchs went to Clemson and beat the Tigers in double-overtime Basketball Coaches Association's District III Coach-of-the-Year.

In 1980, the Monarchs continued their "Giant Killing" ways with a 76-74 overtime victory against the Soviet Union National team and later that season, the Monarchs defeated their-ranked Syracuse in Scope, 68-67. On January 10, 1981, Webb's Monarchs stunned the basketball world handing number one ranked DePaul their first loss in the Horizon, 63-62.

In all, Webb's teams won three ECAC-South conference titles and advanced to two Sun Belt Conference Championship games. ODU was 177-87 in nine years at the Division I level. Five of his players earned All-American honors and two were Academic All-Americans."

https://odusports.com/honors/hall-of-fame/paul-webb/56

Also, Oliver Purnell coached (3) seasons at ODU (1991 - 1994). During those 3 seasons ODU was in the NCAA Tournament, NIT 2nd round, and NIT 2nd round.

Purnell was followed by Jeff Capel Jr. who coached (7) seasons at ODU (1994 - 2001). In Capel's first 3 seasons ODU was in the NCAA Tournament - 2nd round, placed 2nd in the CAA, and in the NCAA Tournament.

The combined 6-year period of Purnell and Caple's first 3 seasons were VASTLY superior to Jeff's 1st six seasons and gave ODU -

'92 - NCAA Tournament
'93 - NIT 2nd Round
'94 - NIT 2nd Round
'95 - NCAA Tournament 2nd Round
'96 - CAA 2nd Place
'97 - NCAA Tournament

Absolutely. Those include the 4 years I was at ODU and quite likely the success of those teams is why I still love ODU to this day. We've given years of graduates no reason to be excited about ODU sports and the results of that won't be completely felt for another 10 years. We're living off of our past glory at the moment. Eventually that runs out. The problem is the last 5 years, not the last 3 games.

ODU BBAll and Monarx are exactly right. I’ll take Paul Webb’s teams and Purnell’s best teams any day against any of Jeff Jones team’s , even his NCAA team.

(01-06-2024 10:29 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 10:17 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 09:10 AM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 09:21 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I don't understand why people are talking about Jeff being hired. He did an incredible job for the first six years. The tournament results leave a lot to be desired, but he did a great job. Being pissed about the hire just means you have something personal against the guy. Very strange to be upset about that. If you are upset that Jeff wasn't fired after the conference tournament last year then you have an actual point, because that is malpractice. The rest of that nonsense are people just looking to say "I told you so". No you didn't, because he was good for 6 years.

I think thats a fair point. The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades.

175
70
100
120
64
113 (won conference tourney)

What happened after that is up for people to debate or opine on.

In terms of last night, you can't have expectations missing your 2 best players and already losing a starter during the season. We can still trash Jones and complain about how bad the team is but when you go in without Jenkins and Allettee (from an already bad team), you aren't competing against many teams in the country. Last night the kids actually played hard and seemed more engaged than they have all year. I don't remember ever seeing the kids on the bench previously engaged in defense chants, but I could have missed it.

If Allette and Jenkins play, this team is still bad but better than the 5 win Blaine Taylor team. I still have PTSD from sitting in the stands watching us lose to Holy Cross at home and score 40 some points.

I have to object about one comment. To say that the 2010-2011 is the best we have been in previous decades sounds like someone who hasn’t followed the program for the years before. Many NCAA bids and top coaches, like Oliver Purcell & Blaine Taylor carried us to many post season tournaments. I wiil admit it is harder on Jeff now, since we now have transfer portal. It’s a recruiter’s nightmare.

Its not even close, that the best team in 30 years

There is absolutely no arguing it. That team was the number 1 offensive rebounding team in the country, and a top ten defense in the country. Arguing against that is so silly.

Two things: I don’t remember who was on that team, if they were the best and Jones didn’t go to the NCAA till his six year, want am I missing? So I guess the many times we went to the NCAA before Jones, means they were not as good as th great 2010-2011 team. I do remember Jones got a late start in recruiting because Wood took so long to name a coach. I really can’t recall without looking it up, but I assume he had transfers.

(01-06-2024 10:29 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 10:17 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 09:10 AM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 09:21 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I don't understand why people are talking about Jeff being hired. He did an incredible job for the first six years. The tournament results leave a lot to be desired, but he did a great job. Being pissed about the hire just means you have something personal against the guy. Very strange to be upset about that. If you are upset that Jeff wasn't fired after the conference tournament last year then you have an actual point, because that is malpractice. The rest of that nonsense are people just looking to say "I told you so". No you didn't, because he was good for 6 years.

I think thats a fair point. The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades.

175
70
100
120
64
113 (won conference tourney)

What happened after that is up for people to debate or opine on.

In terms of last night, you can't have expectations missing your 2 best players and already losing a starter during the season. We can still trash Jones and complain about how bad the team is but when you go in without Jenkins and Allettee (from an already bad team), you aren't competing against many teams in the country. Last night the kids actually played hard and seemed more engaged than they have all year. I don't remember ever seeing the kids on the bench previously engaged in defense chants, but I could have missed it.

If Allette and Jenkins play, this team is still bad but better than the 5 win Blaine Taylor team. I still have PTSD from sitting in the stands watching us lose to Holy Cross at home and score 40 some points.

I have to object about one comment. To say that the 2010-2011 is the best we have been in previous decades sounds like someone who hasn’t followed the program for the years before. Many NCAA bids and top coaches, like Oliver Purcell & Blaine Taylor carried us to many post season tournaments. I wiil admit it is harder on Jeff now, since we now have transfer portal. It’s a recruiter’s nightmare.

Its not even close, that the best team in 30 years

There is absolutely no arguing it. That team was the number 1 offensive rebounding team in the country, and a top ten defense in the country. Arguing against that is so silly.

My friend, maybe they were number one in offensive rebounds cause they just couldn’t shoot! Just sayin. The defense was really good though.

(01-06-2024 02:59 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 10:29 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 10:17 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 09:10 AM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I think thats a fair point. The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades.

175
70
100
120
64
113 (won conference tourney)

What happened after that is up for people to debate or opine on.

In terms of last night, you can't have expectations missing your 2 best players and already losing a starter during the season. We can still trash Jones and complain about how bad the team is but when you go in without Jenkins and Allettee (from an already bad team), you aren't competing against many teams in the country. Last night the kids actually played hard and seemed more engaged than they have all year. I don't remember ever seeing the kids on the bench previously engaged in defense chants, but I could have missed it.

If Allette and Jenkins play, this team is still bad but better than the 5 win Blaine Taylor team. I still have PTSD from sitting in the stands watching us lose to Holy Cross at home and score 40 some points.

I have to object about one comment. To say that the 2010-2011 is the best we have been in previous decades sounds like someone who hasn’t followed the program for the years before. Many NCAA bids and top coaches, like Oliver Purcell & Blaine Taylor carried us to many post season tournaments. I wiil admit it is harder on Jeff now, since we now have transfer portal. It’s a recruiter’s nightmare.

Its not even close, that the best team in 30 years

There is absolutely no arguing it. That team was the number 1 offensive rebounding team in the country, and a top ten defense in the country. Arguing against that is so silly.

Two things: I don’t remember who was on that team, if they were the best and Jones didn’t go to the NCAA till his six year, want am I missing? So I guess the many times we went to the NCAA before Jones, means they were not as good as th great 2010-2011 team. I do remember Jones got a late start in recruiting because Wood took so long to name a coach. I really can’t recall without looking it up, but I assume he had transfers.

The 2010 team was Blaine’s. We beat Notre Dame in the NCAA tournament.

(01-06-2024 10:29 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 10:17 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 09:10 AM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 09:21 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I don't understand why people are talking about Jeff being hired. He did an incredible job for the first six years. The tournament results leave a lot to be desired, but he did a great job. Being pissed about the hire just means you have something personal against the guy. Very strange to be upset about that. If you are upset that Jeff wasn't fired after the conference tournament last year then you have an actual point, because that is malpractice. The rest of that nonsense are people just looking to say "I told you so". No you didn't, because he was good for 6 years.

I think thats a fair point. The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades.

175
70
100
120
64
113 (won conference tourney)

What happened after that is up for people to debate or opine on.

In terms of last night, you can't have expectations missing your 2 best players and already losing a starter during the season. We can still trash Jones and complain about how bad the team is but when you go in without Jenkins and Allettee (from an already bad team), you aren't competing against many teams in the country. Last night the kids actually played hard and seemed more engaged than they have all year. I don't remember ever seeing the kids on the bench previously engaged in defense chants, but I could have missed it.

If Allette and Jenkins play, this team is still bad but better than the 5 win Blaine Taylor team. I still have PTSD from sitting in the stands watching us lose to Holy Cross at home and score 40 some points.

I have to object about one comment. To say that the 2010-2011 is the best we have been in previous decades sounds like someone who hasn’t followed the program for the years before. Many NCAA bids and top coaches, like Oliver Purcell & Blaine Taylor carried us to many post season tournaments. I wiil admit it is harder on Jeff now, since we now have transfer portal. It’s a recruiter’s nightmare.

Its not even close, that the best team in 30 years

There is absolutely no arguing it. That team was the number 1 offensive rebounding team in the country, and a top ten defense in the country. Arguing against that is so silly.

My friend, maybe they were number one in offensive rebounds cause they just couldn’t shoot! Just sayin. The defense was really good though.

(01-06-2024 01:21 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:37 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:07 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 09:21 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I don't understand why people are talking about Jeff being hired. He did an incredible job for the first six years. The tournament results leave a lot to be desired, but he did a great job. Being pissed about the hire just means you have something personal against the guy. Very strange to be upset about that. If you are upset that Jeff wasn't fired after the conference tournament last year then you have an actual point, because that is malpractice. The rest of that nonsense are people just looking to say "I told you so". No you didn't, because he was good for 6 years.

I think thats a fair point. The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades.

175
70
100
120
64
113 (won conference tourney)

What happened after that is up for people to debate or opine on.

In terms of last night, you can't have expectations missing your 2 best players and already losing a starter during the season. We can still trash Jones and complain about how bad the team is but when you go in without Jenkins and Allettee (from an already bad team), you aren't competing against many teams in the country. Last night the kids actually played hard and seemed more engaged than they have all year. I don't remember ever seeing the kids on the bench previously engaged in defense chants, but I could have missed it.

If Allette and Jenkins play, this team is still bad but better than the 5 win Blaine Taylor team. I still have PTSD from sitting in the stands watching us lose to Holy Cross at home and score 40 some points.

Not so fast there SG! The bold portion of your comment above is grossly incorrect.

Much of Paul Webb's time coaching at ODU was within the last 4 decades - and all or nearly all of it falls within 4 decades going up to Jeff's 1st 6 seasons at ODU. Jeff's 1st 6 seasons don't fare well compared to Webb's success.

"In his ten seasons as the Monarchs head coach, Webb's teams advanced to post season play nine times. That includes four NCAA tournaments and five National Invitation Tournaments. His first ODU edition of 1975-76 advanced to the NCAA Division II Final Four. In all, Webb's teams had nine winning seasons, including school record winning seasons of 25-4 in 1976-77 (ODU's first Division I season) and 25-5 in 1979-80 which was ODU's first NCAA Division I tournament appearance. ODU defeated Georgetown, 80-58 for the ECAC South Championship. ODU won a then State record 22 straight games and Webb was named ECAC Upstate-Southern Division Coach-of-the-Year.

In 1978-79, the Monarchs advanced to the National Invitation Tournaments quarter-finals and compiled a 23-7 record. That season, the Monarchs went to Clemson and beat the Tigers in double-overtime Basketball Coaches Association's District III Coach-of-the-Year.

In 1980, the Monarchs continued their "Giant Killing" ways with a 76-74 overtime victory against the Soviet Union National team and later that season, the Monarchs defeated their-ranked Syracuse in Scope, 68-67. On January 10, 1981, Webb's Monarchs stunned the basketball world handing number one ranked DePaul their first loss in the Horizon, 63-62.

In all, Webb's teams won three ECAC-South conference titles and advanced to two Sun Belt Conference Championship games. ODU was 177-87 in nine years at the Division I level. Five of his players earned All-American honors and two were Academic All-Americans."

https://odusports.com/honors/hall-of-fame/paul-webb/56

Also, Oliver Purnell coached (3) seasons at ODU (1991 - 1994). During those 3 seasons ODU was in the NCAA Tournament, NIT 2nd round, and NIT 2nd round.

Purnell was followed by Jeff Capel Jr. who coached (7) seasons at ODU (1994 - 2001). In Capel's first 3 seasons ODU was in the NCAA Tournament - 2nd round, placed 2nd in the CAA, and in the NCAA Tournament.

The combined 6-year period of Purnell and Caple's first 3 seasons were VASTLY superior to Jeff's 1st six seasons and gave ODU -

'92 - NCAA Tournament
'93 - NIT 2nd Round
'94 - NIT 2nd Round
'95 - NCAA Tournament 2nd Round
'96 - CAA 2nd Place
'97 - NCAA Tournament

Absolutely. Those include the 4 years I was at ODU and quite likely the success of those teams is why I still love ODU to this day. We've given years of graduates no reason to be excited about ODU sports and the results of that won't be completely felt for another 10 years. We're living off of our past glory at the moment. Eventually that runs out. The problem is the last 5 years, not the last 3 games.

ODU BBAll and Monarx are exactly right. I’ll take Paul Webb’s teams and Purnell’s best teams any day against any of Jeff Jones team’s , even his NCAA team.

40 years ago

(01-06-2024 04:07 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 01:21 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:37 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:07 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I think thats a fair point. The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades.

175
70
100
120
64
113 (won conference tourney)

What happened after that is up for people to debate or opine on.

In terms of last night, you can't have expectations missing your 2 best players and already losing a starter during the season. We can still trash Jones and complain about how bad the team is but when you go in without Jenkins and Allettee (from an already bad team), you aren't competing against many teams in the country. Last night the kids actually played hard and seemed more engaged than they have all year. I don't remember ever seeing the kids on the bench previously engaged in defense chants, but I could have missed it.

If Allette and Jenkins play, this team is still bad but better than the 5 win Blaine Taylor team. I still have PTSD from sitting in the stands watching us lose to Holy Cross at home and score 40 some points.

Not so fast there SG! The bold portion of your comment above is grossly incorrect.

Much of Paul Webb's time coaching at ODU was within the last 4 decades - and all or nearly all of it falls within 4 decades going up to Jeff's 1st 6 seasons at ODU. Jeff's 1st 6 seasons don't fare well compared to Webb's success.

"In his ten seasons as the Monarchs head coach, Webb's teams advanced to post season play nine times. That includes four NCAA tournaments and five National Invitation Tournaments. His first ODU edition of 1975-76 advanced to the NCAA Division II Final Four. In all, Webb's teams had nine winning seasons, including school record winning seasons of 25-4 in 1976-77 (ODU's first Division I season) and 25-5 in 1979-80 which was ODU's first NCAA Division I tournament appearance. ODU defeated Georgetown, 80-58 for the ECAC South Championship. ODU won a then State record 22 straight games and Webb was named ECAC Upstate-Southern Division Coach-of-the-Year.

In 1978-79, the Monarchs advanced to the National Invitation Tournaments quarter-finals and compiled a 23-7 record. That season, the Monarchs went to Clemson and beat the Tigers in double-overtime Basketball Coaches Association's District III Coach-of-the-Year.

In 1980, the Monarchs continued their "Giant Killing" ways with a 76-74 overtime victory against the Soviet Union National team and later that season, the Monarchs defeated their-ranked Syracuse in Scope, 68-67. On January 10, 1981, Webb's Monarchs stunned the basketball world handing number one ranked DePaul their first loss in the Horizon, 63-62.

In all, Webb's teams won three ECAC-South conference titles and advanced to two Sun Belt Conference Championship games. ODU was 177-87 in nine years at the Division I level. Five of his players earned All-American honors and two were Academic All-Americans."

https://odusports.com/honors/hall-of-fame/paul-webb/56

Also, Oliver Purnell coached (3) seasons at ODU (1991 - 1994). During those 3 seasons ODU was in the NCAA Tournament, NIT 2nd round, and NIT 2nd round.

Purnell was followed by Jeff Capel Jr. who coached (7) seasons at ODU (1994 - 2001). In Capel's first 3 seasons ODU was in the NCAA Tournament - 2nd round, placed 2nd in the CAA, and in the NCAA Tournament.

The combined 6-year period of Purnell and Caple's first 3 seasons were VASTLY superior to Jeff's 1st six seasons and gave ODU -

'92 - NCAA Tournament
'93 - NIT 2nd Round
'94 - NIT 2nd Round
'95 - NCAA Tournament 2nd Round
'96 - CAA 2nd Place
'97 - NCAA Tournament

Absolutely. Those include the 4 years I was at ODU and quite likely the success of those teams is why I still love ODU to this day. We've given years of graduates no reason to be excited about ODU sports and the results of that won't be completely felt for another 10 years. We're living off of our past glory at the moment. Eventually that runs out. The problem is the last 5 years, not the last 3 games.

ODU BBAll and Monarx are exactly right. I’ll take Paul Webb’s teams and Purnell’s best teams any day against any of Jeff Jones team’s , even his NCAA team.

40 years ago

Stat, I am not sure what the point is that you are trying to make. Other teams have figured out how to make it work.

In any case, we are even competitive with the other bottom Sunbelt teams. We're literally in one of the worst DI basketball conferences in the country, and about to go to 0-3. And we haven't even played any of the better teams yet. Our conference mates face the same limitations that we do. Why can't we at least be competitive with them?

Jeff Jones will go down as easily the worst coach in Old Dominion history, and it's not even close.

And please don't give me 20 win season totals. We all know what a sham that is.

(01-06-2024 04:07 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 01:21 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:37 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:07 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I think thats a fair point. The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades.

175
70
100
120
64
113 (won conference tourney)

What happened after that is up for people to debate or opine on.

In terms of last night, you can't have expectations missing your 2 best players and already losing a starter during the season. We can still trash Jones and complain about how bad the team is but when you go in without Jenkins and Allettee (from an already bad team), you aren't competing against many teams in the country. Last night the kids actually played hard and seemed more engaged than they have all year. I don't remember ever seeing the kids on the bench previously engaged in defense chants, but I could have missed it.

If Allette and Jenkins play, this team is still bad but better than the 5 win Blaine Taylor team. I still have PTSD from sitting in the stands watching us lose to Holy Cross at home and score 40 some points.

Not so fast there SG! The bold portion of your comment above is grossly incorrect.

Much of Paul Webb's time coaching at ODU was within the last 4 decades - and all or nearly all of it falls within 4 decades going up to Jeff's 1st 6 seasons at ODU. Jeff's 1st 6 seasons don't fare well compared to Webb's success.

"In his ten seasons as the Monarchs head coach, Webb's teams advanced to post season play nine times. That includes four NCAA tournaments and five National Invitation Tournaments. His first ODU edition of 1975-76 advanced to the NCAA Division II Final Four. In all, Webb's teams had nine winning seasons, including school record winning seasons of 25-4 in 1976-77 (ODU's first Division I season) and 25-5 in 1979-80 which was ODU's first NCAA Division I tournament appearance. ODU defeated Georgetown, 80-58 for the ECAC South Championship. ODU won a then State record 22 straight games and Webb was named ECAC Upstate-Southern Division Coach-of-the-Year.

In 1978-79, the Monarchs advanced to the National Invitation Tournaments quarter-finals and compiled a 23-7 record. That season, the Monarchs went to Clemson and beat the Tigers in double-overtime Basketball Coaches Association's District III Coach-of-the-Year.

In 1980, the Monarchs continued their "Giant Killing" ways with a 76-74 overtime victory against the Soviet Union National team and later that season, the Monarchs defeated their-ranked Syracuse in Scope, 68-67. On January 10, 1981, Webb's Monarchs stunned the basketball world handing number one ranked DePaul their first loss in the Horizon, 63-62.

In all, Webb's teams won three ECAC-South conference titles and advanced to two Sun Belt Conference Championship games. ODU was 177-87 in nine years at the Division I level. Five of his players earned All-American honors and two were Academic All-Americans."

https://odusports.com/honors/hall-of-fame/paul-webb/56

Also, Oliver Purnell coached (3) seasons at ODU (1991 - 1994). During those 3 seasons ODU was in the NCAA Tournament, NIT 2nd round, and NIT 2nd round.

Purnell was followed by Jeff Capel Jr. who coached (7) seasons at ODU (1994 - 2001). In Capel's first 3 seasons ODU was in the NCAA Tournament - 2nd round, placed 2nd in the CAA, and in the NCAA Tournament.

The combined 6-year period of Purnell and Caple's first 3 seasons were VASTLY superior to Jeff's 1st six seasons and gave ODU -

'92 - NCAA Tournament
'93 - NIT 2nd Round
'94 - NIT 2nd Round
'95 - NCAA Tournament 2nd Round
'96 - CAA 2nd Place
'97 - NCAA Tournament

Absolutely. Those include the 4 years I was at ODU and quite likely the success of those teams is why I still love ODU to this day. We've given years of graduates no reason to be excited about ODU sports and the results of that won't be completely felt for another 10 years. We're living off of our past glory at the moment. Eventually that runs out. The problem is the last 5 years, not the last 3 games.

ODU BBAll and Monarx are exactly right. I’ll take Paul Webb’s teams and Purnell’s best teams any day against any of Jeff Jones team’s , even his NCAA team.

40 years ago

You're the one that stated, "The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades."

Well, 4 decades = 40 years. Purnell's teams were within the last 3 decades = 30 years.

This is the worst ODU basketball team I can ever remember. I actually think there is more individual talent now than the last Capel team, but those guys played better together and were more competitive. We’ve hit rock bottom. We’re now the worst we’ve ever been. And as our luck would have it, it’s at the exact same time JMU is the best they’ve ever been. #firewood

(01-06-2024 05:14 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 04:07 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 01:21 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:37 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:07 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Not so fast there SG! The bold portion of your comment above is grossly incorrect.

Much of Paul Webb's time coaching at ODU was within the last 4 decades - and all or nearly all of it falls within 4 decades going up to Jeff's 1st 6 seasons at ODU. Jeff's 1st 6 seasons don't fare well compared to Webb's success.

"In his ten seasons as the Monarchs head coach, Webb's teams advanced to post season play nine times. That includes four NCAA tournaments and five National Invitation Tournaments. His first ODU edition of 1975-76 advanced to the NCAA Division II Final Four. In all, Webb's teams had nine winning seasons, including school record winning seasons of 25-4 in 1976-77 (ODU's first Division I season) and 25-5 in 1979-80 which was ODU's first NCAA Division I tournament appearance. ODU defeated Georgetown, 80-58 for the ECAC South Championship. ODU won a then State record 22 straight games and Webb was named ECAC Upstate-Southern Division Coach-of-the-Year.

In 1978-79, the Monarchs advanced to the National Invitation Tournaments quarter-finals and compiled a 23-7 record. That season, the Monarchs went to Clemson and beat the Tigers in double-overtime Basketball Coaches Association's District III Coach-of-the-Year.

In 1980, the Monarchs continued their "Giant Killing" ways with a 76-74 overtime victory against the Soviet Union National team and later that season, the Monarchs defeated their-ranked Syracuse in Scope, 68-67. On January 10, 1981, Webb's Monarchs stunned the basketball world handing number one ranked DePaul their first loss in the Horizon, 63-62.

In all, Webb's teams won three ECAC-South conference titles and advanced to two Sun Belt Conference Championship games. ODU was 177-87 in nine years at the Division I level. Five of his players earned All-American honors and two were Academic All-Americans."

https://odusports.com/honors/hall-of-fame/paul-webb/56

Also, Oliver Purnell coached (3) seasons at ODU (1991 - 1994). During those 3 seasons ODU was in the NCAA Tournament, NIT 2nd round, and NIT 2nd round.

Purnell was followed by Jeff Capel Jr. who coached (7) seasons at ODU (1994 - 2001). In Capel's first 3 seasons ODU was in the NCAA Tournament - 2nd round, placed 2nd in the CAA, and in the NCAA Tournament.

The combined 6-year period of Purnell and Caple's first 3 seasons were VASTLY superior to Jeff's 1st six seasons and gave ODU -

'92 - NCAA Tournament
'93 - NIT 2nd Round
'94 - NIT 2nd Round
'95 - NCAA Tournament 2nd Round
'96 - CAA 2nd Place
'97 - NCAA Tournament

Absolutely. Those include the 4 years I was at ODU and quite likely the success of those teams is why I still love ODU to this day. We've given years of graduates no reason to be excited about ODU sports and the results of that won't be completely felt for another 10 years. We're living off of our past glory at the moment. Eventually that runs out. The problem is the last 5 years, not the last 3 games.

ODU BBAll and Monarx are exactly right. I’ll take Paul Webb’s teams and Purnell’s best teams any day against any of Jeff Jones team’s , even his NCAA team.

40 years ago

You're the one that stated, "The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades. Well, 4 decades = 40 years. Purnell's teams were within the last 3 decades.

Heck, I’d take the past 50 years against most of Jeff Jones teams. Our D11 team that won a national championship had Wilson Washington, Jay Roundtree, Oliver Purnell, Jeff Furhman, Tom Street, and Joey Carothers. That team would wipe the floor with the bunch we have now.

(01-06-2024 06:05 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 05:14 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 04:07 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 01:21 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:37 PM)monarx Wrote:  Absolutely. Those include the 4 years I was at ODU and quite likely the success of those teams is why I still love ODU to this day. We've given years of graduates no reason to be excited about ODU sports and the results of that won't be completely felt for another 10 years. We're living off of our past glory at the moment. Eventually that runs out. The problem is the last 5 years, not the last 3 games.

ODU BBAll and Monarx are exactly right. I’ll take Paul Webb’s teams and Purnell’s best teams any day against any of Jeff Jones team’s , even his NCAA team.

40 years ago

You're the one that stated, "The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades. Well, 4 decades = 40 years. Purnell's teams were within the last 3 decades.

Heck, I’d take the past 50 years against most of Jeff Jones teams. Our D11 team that won a national championship had Wilson Washington, Jay Roundtree, Oliver Purnell, Jeff Furhman, Tom Street, and Joey Carothers. That team would wipe the floor with the bunch we have now.

100% - no question at all about that. The same would be true for some of Sonny's other teams that featured some other ODU greats like Copeland, St. Claire, and (of course) Twardzik.

People that weren't around at the time or simply weren't into ODU basketball back then don't have the same appreciation for those teams under Allen and Webb, or players like those previously mentioned along with others such as Oliver Purnell, Ricky Michaelson, Ronnie Valentine, Ronnie McAdoo, Kenny Gattison, Frank Smith, and Mark West.

Here's three VERY COOL (short) videos of ODU basketball from the early 80's that are definitely worth watching - especially in this sad period of ODU basketball. The last one even announces ODU's 1st time entering the Sunbelt Conference.

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/re...&FORM=VIRE

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/re...ajaxhist=0

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/re...ajaxhist=0

(01-06-2024 06:05 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 05:14 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 04:07 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 01:21 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:37 PM)monarx Wrote:  Absolutely. Those include the 4 years I was at ODU and quite likely the success of those teams is why I still love ODU to this day. We've given years of graduates no reason to be excited about ODU sports and the results of that won't be completely felt for another 10 years. We're living off of our past glory at the moment. Eventually that runs out. The problem is the last 5 years, not the last 3 games.

ODU BBAll and Monarx are exactly right. I’ll take Paul Webb’s teams and Purnell’s best teams any day against any of Jeff Jones team’s , even his NCAA team.

40 years ago

You're the one that stated, "The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades. Well, 4 decades = 40 years. Purnell's teams were within the last 3 decades.

Heck, I’d take the past 50 years against most of Jeff Jones teams. Our D11 team that won a national championship had Wilson Washington, Jay Roundtree, Oliver Purnell, Jeff Furhman, Tom Street, and Joey Carothers. That team would wipe the floor with the bunch we have now.

757 please tell me who was on the great all-time ODU team and who was the coach.

(01-06-2024 07:13 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 06:05 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 05:14 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 04:07 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 01:21 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  ODU BBAll and Monarx are exactly right. I’ll take Paul Webb’s teams and Purnell’s best teams any day against any of Jeff Jones team’s , even his NCAA team.

40 years ago

You're the one that stated, "The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades. Well, 4 decades = 40 years. Purnell's teams were within the last 3 decades.

Heck, I’d take the past 50 years against most of Jeff Jones teams. Our D11 team that won a national championship had Wilson Washington, Jay Roundtree, Oliver Purnell, Jeff Furhman, Tom Street, and Joey Carothers. That team would wipe the floor with the bunch we have now.

100% - no question at all about that. The same would be true for some of Sonny's other teams that featured some other ODU greats like Copeland, St. Claire, and (of course) Twardzik.

People that weren't around at the time or simply weren't into ODU basketball back then don't have the same appreciation for those teams under Allen and Webb, or players like those previously mentioned along with others such as Oliver Purnell, Ricky Michaelson, Ronnie Valentine, Ronnie McAdoo, Kenny Gattison, Frank Smith, and Mark West.

Here's three VERY COOL (short) videos of ODU basketball from the early 80's that are definitely worth watching - especially in this sad period of ODU basketball. The last one even announces ODU's 1st time entering the Sunbelt Conference.

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/re...&FORM=VIRE

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/re...ajaxhist=0

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/re...ajaxhist=0

They are cool videos. Thanks for sharing, I had not seen them. That was some great footage of West. I wish there was some of Washington but I have never seen much video of him.

(01-06-2024 04:34 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 04:07 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 01:21 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:37 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:07 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Not so fast there SG! The bold portion of your comment above is grossly incorrect.

Much of Paul Webb's time coaching at ODU was within the last 4 decades - and all or nearly all of it falls within 4 decades going up to Jeff's 1st 6 seasons at ODU. Jeff's 1st 6 seasons don't fare well compared to Webb's success.

"In his ten seasons as the Monarchs head coach, Webb's teams advanced to post season play nine times. That includes four NCAA tournaments and five National Invitation Tournaments. His first ODU edition of 1975-76 advanced to the NCAA Division II Final Four. In all, Webb's teams had nine winning seasons, including school record winning seasons of 25-4 in 1976-77 (ODU's first Division I season) and 25-5 in 1979-80 which was ODU's first NCAA Division I tournament appearance. ODU defeated Georgetown, 80-58 for the ECAC South Championship. ODU won a then State record 22 straight games and Webb was named ECAC Upstate-Southern Division Coach-of-the-Year.

In 1978-79, the Monarchs advanced to the National Invitation Tournaments quarter-finals and compiled a 23-7 record. That season, the Monarchs went to Clemson and beat the Tigers in double-overtime Basketball Coaches Association's District III Coach-of-the-Year.

In 1980, the Monarchs continued their "Giant Killing" ways with a 76-74 overtime victory against the Soviet Union National team and later that season, the Monarchs defeated their-ranked Syracuse in Scope, 68-67. On January 10, 1981, Webb's Monarchs stunned the basketball world handing number one ranked DePaul their first loss in the Horizon, 63-62.

In all, Webb's teams won three ECAC-South conference titles and advanced to two Sun Belt Conference Championship games. ODU was 177-87 in nine years at the Division I level. Five of his players earned All-American honors and two were Academic All-Americans."

https://odusports.com/honors/hall-of-fame/paul-webb/56

Also, Oliver Purnell coached (3) seasons at ODU (1991 - 1994). During those 3 seasons ODU was in the NCAA Tournament, NIT 2nd round, and NIT 2nd round.

Purnell was followed by Jeff Capel Jr. who coached (7) seasons at ODU (1994 - 2001). In Capel's first 3 seasons ODU was in the NCAA Tournament - 2nd round, placed 2nd in the CAA, and in the NCAA Tournament.

The combined 6-year period of Purnell and Caple's first 3 seasons were VASTLY superior to Jeff's 1st six seasons and gave ODU -

'92 - NCAA Tournament
'93 - NIT 2nd Round
'94 - NIT 2nd Round
'95 - NCAA Tournament 2nd Round
'96 - CAA 2nd Place
'97 - NCAA Tournament

Absolutely. Those include the 4 years I was at ODU and quite likely the success of those teams is why I still love ODU to this day. We've given years of graduates no reason to be excited about ODU sports and the results of that won't be completely felt for another 10 years. We're living off of our past glory at the moment. Eventually that runs out. The problem is the last 5 years, not the last 3 games.

ODU BBAll and Monarx are exactly right. I’ll take Paul Webb’s teams and Purnell’s best teams any day against any of Jeff Jones team’s , even his NCAA team.

40 years ago

Stat, I am not sure what the point is that you are trying to make. Other teams have figured out how to make it work.

In any case, we are even competitive with the other bottom Sunbelt teams. We're literally in one of the worst DI basketball conferences in the country, and about to go to 0-3. And we haven't even played any of the better teams yet. Our conference mates face the same limitations that we do. Why can't we at least be competitive with them?

Jeff Jones will go down as easily the worst coach in Old Dominion history, and it's not even close.

And please don't give me 20 win season totals. We all know what a sham that is.

Im not arguing anything about the current team. The point was that we ad a good stretch and were talking about the last 3 decades. Someone brought up webb, which was 40 years ago and longer.

(01-06-2024 08:25 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 04:34 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 04:07 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 01:21 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 02:37 PM)monarx Wrote:  Absolutely. Those include the 4 years I was at ODU and quite likely the success of those teams is why I still love ODU to this day. We've given years of graduates no reason to be excited about ODU sports and the results of that won't be completely felt for another 10 years. We're living off of our past glory at the moment. Eventually that runs out. The problem is the last 5 years, not the last 3 games.

ODU BBAll and Monarx are exactly right. I’ll take Paul Webb’s teams and Purnell’s best teams any day against any of Jeff Jones team’s , even his NCAA team.

40 years ago

Stat, I am not sure what the point is that you are trying to make. Other teams have figured out how to make it work.

In any case, we are even competitive with the other bottom Sunbelt teams. We're literally in one of the worst DI basketball conferences in the country, and about to go to 0-3. And we haven't even played any of the better teams yet. Our conference mates face the same limitations that we do. Why can't we at least be competitive with them?

Jeff Jones will go down as easily the worst coach in Old Dominion history, and it's not even close.

And please don't give me 20 win season totals. We all know what a sham that is.

Im not arguing anything about the current team. The point was that we ad a good stretch and were talking about the last 3 decades. Someone brought up webb, which was 40 years ago and longer.

Your original statement included the timeline of "3 to 4 decades," and you wonder why people are including teams from 40 years ago. You are the one who specified the timeline.

(01-06-2024 08:53 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 08:25 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 04:34 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 04:07 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 01:21 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  ODU BBAll and Monarx are exactly right. I’ll take Paul Webb’s teams and Purnell’s best teams any day against any of Jeff Jones team’s , even his NCAA team.

40 years ago

Stat, I am not sure what the point is that you are trying to make. Other teams have figured out how to make it work.

In any case, we are even competitive with the other bottom Sunbelt teams. We're literally in one of the worst DI basketball conferences in the country, and about to go to 0-3. And we haven't even played any of the better teams yet. Our conference mates face the same limitations that we do. Why can't we at least be competitive with them?

Jeff Jones will go down as easily the worst coach in Old Dominion history, and it's not even close.

And please don't give me 20 win season totals. We all know what a sham that is.

Im not arguing anything about the current team. The point was that we ad a good stretch and were talking about the last 3 decades. Someone brought up webb, which was 40 years ago and longer.

Your original statement included the timeliness of "3 to 4 decades," and you wonder why people are including teams from 40 years ago. You are the one who specified the timeline.

Read what you wrote yourself in post #109. You said JJ’s first 6 years were as good as any team in the past 3 to 4 decades except for one of BT’s teams. That’s 40 years ago. Besides, if I recall you are a Georgetown fan. I am sure you are proud of their history. When you think of them or talk about their history do you not consider their championship in the mid 80’s and their other great teams of 70’s and 80’s? I would only assume part of their history is why you are a fan or maybe I am wrong. The entire history of ODU is why I am a fan, and that’s a fact.

(01-06-2024 02:59 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 10:29 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 10:17 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 09:10 AM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-05-2024 12:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I think thats a fair point. The first 6 years are as good as any non 2010/2011 year stretch we have had in 3 to 4 decades.

175
70
100
120
64
113 (won conference tourney)

What happened after that is up for people to debate or opine on.

In terms of last night, you can't have expectations missing your 2 best players and already losing a starter during the season. We can still trash Jones and complain about how bad the team is but when you go in without Jenkins and Allettee (from an already bad team), you aren't competing against many teams in the country. Last night the kids actually played hard and seemed more engaged than they have all year. I don't remember ever seeing the kids on the bench previously engaged in defense chants, but I could have missed it.

If Allette and Jenkins play, this team is still bad but better than the 5 win Blaine Taylor team. I still have PTSD from sitting in the stands watching us lose to Holy Cross at home and score 40 some points.

I have to object about one comment. To say that the 2010-2011 is the best we have been in previous decades sounds like someone who hasn’t followed the program for the years before. Many NCAA bids and top coaches, like Oliver Purcell & Blaine Taylor carried us to many post season tournaments. I wiil admit it is harder on Jeff now, since we now have transfer portal. It’s a recruiter’s nightmare.

Its not even close, that the best team in 30 years

There is absolutely no arguing it. That team was the number 1 offensive rebounding team in the country, and a top ten defense in the country. Arguing against that is so silly.

Two things: I don’t remember who was on that team, if they were the best and Jones didn’t go to the NCAA till his six year, want am I missing? So I guess the many times we went to the NCAA before Jones, means they were not as good as th great 2010-2011 team. I do remember Jones got a late start in recruiting because Wood took so long to name a coach. I really can’t recall without looking it up, but I assume he had transfers.

What are you talking about? The season was 2010. It's the end of the year that marks the year of the season. So the 2010 team was the best team. Yes, it absolutely was. The starting lineup on that team was:

1-Darius James
2-Kent Bazemore
3-Ben Finney
4-Frank Hassell
5-Gerald Lee

Off the bench:

Keyon Carter
Chris Cooper
Trian Illiadas
Marquel De Lancey
Marsharee Neely

Everyone on the team shot over 30% from three, and they were much better from two. The offensive rebounding statistic plays a role in a team's offense no matter if you like it or not.

(01-06-2024 09:16 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 02:59 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 10:29 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 10:17 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-06-2024 09:10 AM)bluelight Wrote:  I have to object about one comment. To say that the 2010-2011 is the best we have been in previous decades sounds like someone who hasn’t followed the program for the years before. Many NCAA bids and top coaches, like Oliver Purcell & Blaine Taylor carried us to many post season tournaments. I wiil admit it is harder on Jeff now, since we now have transfer portal. It’s a recruiter’s nightmare.

Its not even close, that the best team in 30 years

There is absolutely no arguing it. That team was the number 1 offensive rebounding team in the country, and a top ten defense in the country. Arguing against that is so silly.

Two things: I don’t remember who was on that team, if they were the best and Jones didn’t go to the NCAA till his six year, want am I missing? So I guess the many times we went to the NCAA before Jones, means they were not as good as th great 2010-2011 team. I do remember Jones got a late start in recruiting because Wood took so long to name a coach. I really can’t recall without looking it up, but I assume he had transfers.

What are you talking about? The season was 2010. It's the end of the year that marks the year of the season. So the 2010 team was the best team. Yes, it absolutely was. The starting lineup on that team was:

1-Darius James
2-Kent Bazemore
3-Ben Finney
4-Frank Hassell
5-Gerald Lee

Off the bench:

Keyon Carter
Chris Cooper
Trian Illiadas
Marquel De Lancey
Marsharee Neely

Everyone on the team shot over 30% from three, and they were much better from two. The offensive rebounding statistic plays a role in a team's offense no matter if you like it or not.

Two NBA players, I will give you that. Tell if they went to the NCAA and who was the coach. Obviously, Blaine could recruit. These NBA players were not transfers. The player that led ODU in the NIT was a transfer from East Carolina. That was JJ best hope then. Of course we had the Sitih brothers and others as time went through the last 11years