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Again, in this environment, what Vegas thinks after looking at our roster means little to me.

Our win-loss record for the last few years wont play into our favor with Vegas too. There is simply no way they place us at 5-6 wins, even with our bowl appearance. Lets not forget recruiting rankings also dictate Vegas odds for teams too.

Why would they consider the last few years when I bet there aren't a dozen kids on the team from 3 years ago. Roster turnover at our level is so robust I think no one can have a reliable gauge on prospects for a season. Now if you tell me that Team A has 25 players back from a year ago, 15 0f which started for a bowl team, I'd take a Vegas prediction with more than a grain of salt.

(01-04-2024 04:11 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  Why would they consider the last few years when I bet there aren't a dozen kids on the team from 3 years ago. Roster turnover at our level is so robust I think no one can have a reliable gauge on prospects for a season. Now if you tell me that Team A has 25 players back from a year ago, 15 0f which started for a bowl team, I'd take a Vegas prediction with more than a grain of salt.

We havent had a winning record since 2016. There is enough history there to not put the betting line over 5 or 6 just because of that fact.

(01-04-2024 04:11 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  Why would they consider the last few years when I bet there aren't a dozen kids on the team from 3 years ago. Roster turnover at our level is so robust I think no one can have a reliable gauge on prospects for a season. Now if you tell me that Team A has 25 players back from a year ago, 15 0f which started for a bowl team, I'd take a Vegas prediction with more than a grain of salt.

They wouldn't. Its basically looking at the returners and the level of QB play.

(01-04-2024 04:26 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:11 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  Why would they consider the last few years when I bet there aren't a dozen kids on the team from 3 years ago. Roster turnover at our level is so robust I think no one can have a reliable gauge on prospects for a season. Now if you tell me that Team A has 25 players back from a year ago, 15 0f which started for a bowl team, I'd take a Vegas prediction with more than a grain of salt.

They wouldn't. Its basically looking at the returners and the level of QB play.

That's my point to RF. What happened in 2016 has NO bearing on any predictions for the coming season. It's silly to think otherwise. Vegas might still predict w3-4-5 wins but it ain't got nothing to do with 7 years ago.
But I'm sure RF is right; he always is.

(01-04-2024 04:23 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:11 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  Why would they consider the last few years when I bet there aren't a dozen kids on the team from 3 years ago. Roster turnover at our level is so robust I think no one can have a reliable gauge on prospects for a season. Now if you tell me that Team A has 25 players back from a year ago, 15 0f which started for a bowl team, I'd take a Vegas prediction with more than a grain of salt.

We havent had a winning record since 2016. There is enough history there to not put the betting line over 5 or 6 just because of that fact.

Setting lines like that would lose Vegas a ton of money.

(01-04-2024 04:42 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:26 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:11 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  Why would they consider the last few years when I bet there aren't a dozen kids on the team from 3 years ago. Roster turnover at our level is so robust I think no one can have a reliable gauge on prospects for a season. Now if you tell me that Team A has 25 players back from a year ago, 15 0f which started for a bowl team, I'd take a Vegas prediction with more than a grain of salt.

They wouldn't. Its basically looking at the returners and the level of QB play.

That's my point to RF. What happened in 2016 has NO bearing on any predictions for the coming season. It's silly to think otherwise. Vegas might still predict w3-4-5 wins but it ain't got nothing to do with 7 years ago.
But I'm sure RF is right; he always is.

All Im saying is history plays a factor. And history doesnt favor us. If we had a 10 win season in 2022, Vegas would probably give us more of the benefit of the doubt with our betting win totals. Yes, teams change every year. But history is history. A team like Alabama or Michigan is going to get a winning spread of 9.5-10 every year because they are who they are and they have won a lot of games in recent memory.

(01-04-2024 05:02 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:42 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:26 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:11 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  Why would they consider the last few years when I bet there aren't a dozen kids on the team from 3 years ago. Roster turnover at our level is so robust I think no one can have a reliable gauge on prospects for a season. Now if you tell me that Team A has 25 players back from a year ago, 15 0f which started for a bowl team, I'd take a Vegas prediction with more than a grain of salt.

They wouldn't. Its basically looking at the returners and the level of QB play.

That's my point to RF. What happened in 2016 has NO bearing on any predictions for the coming season. It's silly to think otherwise. Vegas might still predict w3-4-5 wins but it ain't got nothing to do with 7 years ago.
But I'm sure RF is right; he always is.

All Im saying is history plays a factor. And history doesnt favor us. If we had a 10 win season in 2022, Vegas would probably give us more of the benefit of the doubt with our betting win totals. Yes, teams change every year. But history is history. A team like Alabama or Michigan is going to get a winning spread of 9.5-10 every year because they are who they are and they have won a lot of games in recent memory.

No. Alabama or Michigan have high win lines because they avoid a lot of turnover, recruit at a high level and can buy talent for any position they need to upgrade. Those programs are operating at a level most P5s cant even come close to with how well funded they are.

(01-04-2024 05:30 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 05:02 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:42 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:26 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:11 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  Why would they consider the last few years when I bet there aren't a dozen kids on the team from 3 years ago. Roster turnover at our level is so robust I think no one can have a reliable gauge on prospects for a season. Now if you tell me that Team A has 25 players back from a year ago, 15 0f which started for a bowl team, I'd take a Vegas prediction with more than a grain of salt.

They wouldn't. Its basically looking at the returners and the level of QB play.

That's my point to RF. What happened in 2016 has NO bearing on any predictions for the coming season. It's silly to think otherwise. Vegas might still predict w3-4-5 wins but it ain't got nothing to do with 7 years ago.
But I'm sure RF is right; he always is.

All Im saying is history plays a factor. And history doesnt favor us. If we had a 10 win season in 2022, Vegas would probably give us more of the benefit of the doubt with our betting win totals. Yes, teams change every year. But history is history. A team like Alabama or Michigan is going to get a winning spread of 9.5-10 every year because they are who they are and they have won a lot of games in recent memory.

No. Alabama or Michigan have high win lines because they avoid a lot of turnover, recruit at a high level and can buy talent for any position they need to upgrade. Those programs are operating at a level most P5s cant even come close to with how well funded they are.

Lets use Marshall or App State as the example then instead of Bama and Michigan. Theyve been consistent winners over the last little while.

Marshall won 9 games in 2022 and had a Vegas win total of 7 to start 2023.

(01-04-2024 04:48 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:23 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:11 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  Why would they consider the last few years when I bet there aren't a dozen kids on the team from 3 years ago. Roster turnover at our level is so robust I think no one can have a reliable gauge on prospects for a season. Now if you tell me that Team A has 25 players back from a year ago, 15 0f which started for a bowl team, I'd take a Vegas prediction with more than a grain of salt.

We havent had a winning record since 2016. There is enough history there to not put the betting line over 5 or 6 just because of that fact.

Setting lines like that would lose Vegas a ton of money.

I really hope ODU can get better, but with players leaving (if good) that doesn’t leave a lot of excitement for high school players to come here or good transfers. Wood raced to have that stadium built quickly, only to see it never has been full. Yes, maybe with free tickets. When football first started, it was hard to find a seat. The talent we play against is so much better, now. Wood wasted to much time on BW and then started with a young staff, still trying to find their notch. In the tough sunbelt football conference, my only suggestion is hire a name staff. With the athletic department budget, that is completely impossible. Now Wood has to be concerned about football & basketball coaches. The problem is they are not cheap. Does the board of visitors really care to see a game on T.V. Not even half full. Obviously, President Hemphill doesn’t care, also. I understand that he and his wife are there for the coin toss. I wonder if they stay till the game is over. I did go when the program was growing, but it took several years, to see it wasn’t fun anymore.

(01-04-2024 06:41 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:48 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:23 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:11 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  Why would they consider the last few years when I bet there aren't a dozen kids on the team from 3 years ago. Roster turnover at our level is so robust I think no one can have a reliable gauge on prospects for a season. Now if you tell me that Team A has 25 players back from a year ago, 15 0f which started for a bowl team, I'd take a Vegas prediction with more than a grain of salt.

We havent had a winning record since 2016. There is enough history there to not put the betting line over 5 or 6 just because of that fact.

Setting lines like that would lose Vegas a ton of money.

I really hope ODU can get better, but with players leaving (if good) that doesn’t leave a lot of excitement for high school players to come here or good transfers. Wood raced to have that stadium built quickly, only to see it never has been full. Yes, maybe with free tickets. When football first started, it was hard to find a seat. The talent we play against is so much better, now. Wood wasted to much time on BW and then started with a young staff, still trying to find their notch. In the tough sunbelt football conference, my only suggestion is hire a name staff. With the athletic department budget, that is completely impossible. Now Wood has to be concerned about football & basketball coaches. The problem is they are not cheap. Does the board of visitors really care to see a game on T.V. Not even half full. Obviously, President Hemphill doesn’t care, also. I understand that he and his wife are there for the coin toss. I wonder if they stay till the game is over. I did go when the program was growing, but it took several years, to see it wasn’t fun anymore.

What games are not even half full?

(01-04-2024 06:48 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 06:41 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:48 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:23 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:11 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  Why would they consider the last few years when I bet there aren't a dozen kids on the team from 3 years ago. Roster turnover at our level is so robust I think no one can have a reliable gauge on prospects for a season. Now if you tell me that Team A has 25 players back from a year ago, 15 0f which started for a bowl team, I'd take a Vegas prediction with more than a grain of salt.

We havent had a winning record since 2016. There is enough history there to not put the betting line over 5 or 6 just because of that fact.

Setting lines like that would lose Vegas a ton of money.

I really hope ODU can get better, but with players leaving (if good) that doesn’t leave a lot of excitement for high school players to come here or good transfers. Wood raced to have that stadium built quickly, only to see it never has been full. Yes, maybe with free tickets. When football first started, it was hard to find a seat. The talent we play against is so much better, now. Wood wasted to much time on BW and then started with a young staff, still trying to find their notch. In the tough sunbelt football conference, my only suggestion is hire a name staff. With the athletic department budget, that is completely impossible. Now Wood has to be concerned about football & basketball coaches. The problem is they are not cheap. Does the board of visitors really care to see a game on T.V. Not even half full. Obviously, President Hemphill doesn’t care, also. I understand that he and his wife are there for the coin toss. I wonder if they stay till the game is over. I did go when the program was growing, but it took several years, to see it wasn’t fun anymore.

What games are not even half full?

TXAMCC understandably. Coastal and GSU were iffy. GSU was not even 25% after half. I’m more concerned about not having 80% full for Wake.

(01-04-2024 06:48 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 06:41 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:48 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:23 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:11 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  Why would they consider the last few years when I bet there aren't a dozen kids on the team from 3 years ago. Roster turnover at our level is so robust I think no one can have a reliable gauge on prospects for a season. Now if you tell me that Team A has 25 players back from a year ago, 15 0f which started for a bowl team, I'd take a Vegas prediction with more than a grain of salt.

We havent had a winning record since 2016. There is enough history there to not put the betting line over 5 or 6 just because of that fact.

Setting lines like that would lose Vegas a ton of money.

I really hope ODU can get better, but with players leaving (if good) that doesn’t leave a lot of excitement for high school players to come here or good transfers. Wood raced to have that stadium built quickly, only to see it never has been full. Yes, maybe with free tickets. When football first started, it was hard to find a seat. The talent we play against is so much better, now. Wood wasted to much time on BW and then started with a young staff, still trying to find their notch. In the tough sunbelt football conference, my only suggestion is hire a name staff. With the athletic department budget, that is completely impossible. Now Wood has to be concerned about football & basketball coaches. The problem is they are not cheap. Does the board of visitors really care to see a game on T.V. Not even half full. Obviously, President Hemphill doesn’t care, also. I understand that he and his wife are there for the coin toss. I wonder if they stay till the game is over. I did go when the program was growing, but it took several years, to see it wasn’t fun anymore.

What games are not even half full?

If you go by the phony baloney attendance figures ODU puts out all games are pretty well attended. But if you go by rear ends actually in seats then only the Wake game had a representative crowd.

(01-04-2024 07:02 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 06:48 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 06:41 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:48 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:23 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  We havent had a winning record since 2016. There is enough history there to not put the betting line over 5 or 6 just because of that fact.

Setting lines like that would lose Vegas a ton of money.

I really hope ODU can get better, but with players leaving (if good) that doesn’t leave a lot of excitement for high school players to come here or good transfers. Wood raced to have that stadium built quickly, only to see it never has been full. Yes, maybe with free tickets. When football first started, it was hard to find a seat. The talent we play against is so much better, now. Wood wasted to much time on BW and then started with a young staff, still trying to find their notch. In the tough sunbelt football conference, my only suggestion is hire a name staff. With the athletic department budget, that is completely impossible. Now Wood has to be concerned about football & basketball coaches. The problem is they are not cheap. Does the board of visitors really care to see a game on T.V. Not even half full. Obviously, President Hemphill doesn’t care, also. I understand that he and his wife are there for the coin toss. I wonder if they stay till the game is over. I did go when the program was growing, but it took several years, to see it wasn’t fun anymore.

What games are not even half full?

If you go by the phony baloney attendance figures ODU puts out all games are pretty well attended. But if you go by rear ends actually in seats then only the Wake game had a representative crowd.

Well attended or not can at least be debated.

What games were half full tho?

(01-04-2024 06:41 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:48 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:23 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:11 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  Why would they consider the last few years when I bet there aren't a dozen kids on the team from 3 years ago. Roster turnover at our level is so robust I think no one can have a reliable gauge on prospects for a season. Now if you tell me that Team A has 25 players back from a year ago, 15 0f which started for a bowl team, I'd take a Vegas prediction with more than a grain of salt.

We havent had a winning record since 2016. There is enough history there to not put the betting line over 5 or 6 just because of that fact.

Setting lines like that would lose Vegas a ton of money.

I really hope ODU can get better, but with players leaving (if good) that doesn’t leave a lot of excitement for high school players to come here or good transfers. Wood raced to have that stadium built quickly, only to see it never has been full. Yes, maybe with free tickets. When football first started, it was hard to find a seat. The talent we play against is so much better, now. Wood wasted to much time on BW and then started with a young staff, still trying to find their notch. In the tough sunbelt football conference, my only suggestion is hire a name staff. With the athletic department budget, that is completely impossible. Now Wood has to be concerned about football & basketball coaches. The problem is they are not cheap. Does the board of visitors really care to see a game on T.V. Not even half full. Obviously, President Hemphill doesn’t care, also. I understand that he and his wife are there for the coin toss. I wonder if they stay till the game is over. I did go when the program was growing, but it took several years, to see it wasn’t fun anymore.

Yes the games used to be fun. Having more people there helps. Having more students help. And the problem is that our university leaders do not push more student involvement. And some of our fans treat these events as cocktail hour, and have no vested interest in the product they are watching. We wont be able to hire a top flight staff here, because the school refuses to open the purse strings for things like that. Our basketball coach is way past his expiration date, and we refuse to make that adjustment. That should tell you how complacent our program leaders are.

(01-04-2024 07:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 07:02 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 06:48 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 06:41 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 04:48 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  Setting lines like that would lose Vegas a ton of money.

I really hope ODU can get better, but with players leaving (if good) that doesn’t leave a lot of excitement for high school players to come here or good transfers. Wood raced to have that stadium built quickly, only to see it never has been full. Yes, maybe with free tickets. When football first started, it was hard to find a seat. The talent we play against is so much better, now. Wood wasted to much time on BW and then started with a young staff, still trying to find their notch. In the tough sunbelt football conference, my only suggestion is hire a name staff. With the athletic department budget, that is completely impossible. Now Wood has to be concerned about football & basketball coaches. The problem is they are not cheap. Does the board of visitors really care to see a game on T.V. Not even half full. Obviously, President Hemphill doesn’t care, also. I understand that he and his wife are there for the coin toss. I wonder if they stay till the game is over. I did go when the program was growing, but it took several years, to see it wasn’t fun anymore.

What games are not even half full?

If you go by the phony baloney attendance figures ODU puts out all games are pretty well attended. But if you go by rear ends actually in seats then only the Wake game had a representative crowd.

Well attended or not can at least be debated.

What games were half full tho?

LA, Wake and App were definitely more than half full. TXAMCC wasn’t and CCU and GSU are debatable.

Buts in seats is a definate problem.
Been season ticket holder since 2019.
Live 5 hours from campus and drove down for every home game.
There are at least 16 seats around my 2 that are sold but at no time did I ever see anyone in them at any game. I'm between the 40 and 45 yard line chair back on east side.
Nice room to move around but hard to carryon and get excited with neighbors if noone is there
I find that a major problem.

(01-04-2024 07:53 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 07:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 07:02 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 06:48 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(01-04-2024 06:41 PM)bluelight Wrote:  I really hope ODU can get better, but with players leaving (if good) that doesn’t leave a lot of excitement for high school players to come here or good transfers. Wood raced to have that stadium built quickly, only to see it never has been full. Yes, maybe with free tickets. When football first started, it was hard to find a seat. The talent we play against is so much better, now. Wood wasted to much time on BW and then started with a young staff, still trying to find their notch. In the tough sunbelt football conference, my only suggestion is hire a name staff. With the athletic department budget, that is completely impossible. Now Wood has to be concerned about football & basketball coaches. The problem is they are not cheap. Does the board of visitors really care to see a game on T.V. Not even half full. Obviously, President Hemphill doesn’t care, also. I understand that he and his wife are there for the coin toss. I wonder if they stay till the game is over. I did go when the program was growing, but it took several years, to see it wasn’t fun anymore.

What games are not even half full?

If you go by the phony baloney attendance figures ODU puts out all games are pretty well attended. But if you go by rear ends actually in seats then only the Wake game had a representative crowd.

Well attended or not can at least be debated.

What games were half full tho?

LA, Wake and App were definitely more than half full. TXAMCC wasn’t and CCU and GSU are debatable.

Cosign this. The attendance (butts in seats) this year was atrocious. Don't know how you would even try to defend it.