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Be sure to read first link ("Dr. John Gartner on a tale of two brains") below this one.

Both the American Psychogical Association and American Psychiatric Association have concluded that is wrong to assess
the mental health of individuals that are not personally seeing.
What do you expect from the son of a N.O.W.activist?

(02-29-2024 03:45 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Both the American Psychogical Association and American Psychiatric Association have concluded that is wrong to assess
the mental health of individuals that are not personally seeing.
What do you expect from the son of a N.O.W.activist?

Neither of those two things mean that Dr. Gartner is wrong.

The examples of Trump's behavior he cites are pretty compelling.

If he is right, and Trump is elected - our country is going to be in trouble.

But then, if he ISN'T elected, the country may still be in trouble because of his disciples.

Another great find by Majors browser from 1 year old, well known web site "Trendy Digest". At least it wasn't from his go to Raw Story.

Allen Frances, an emeritus psychiatrist at Duke University School of Medicine who helped write the standard manual on psychiatric disorders, wrote a letter to the Times denouncing Dr Gartner's attempts to diagnose President Trump as mentally ill. He explains that Trump lacks the “distress and impairment required to diagnose a mental illness,” adding that bad behavior and mental illness are not synonymous.

Not all psychologists agree with Gartner's methods. Some question the validity of his conclusions and his wisdom in presenting them unprompted. Without that first-hand, direct examination, many psychologists believe that Gartner should not propose diagnoses. Gartner's information may be interesting, and it may be a significant part of the picture, but many believe it's too incomplete to be accurate.

So according to Frances, Trump's behavior while "bad" is not caused by mental illness?

He implies then that Trump is just amoral - doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, and doesn't care.

The effect remains regardless of the cause.

(02-29-2024 06:28 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  So according to Frances, Trump's behavior while "bad" is not caused by mental illness?

He implies then that Trump is just amoral - doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, and doesn't care.

The effect remains regardless of the cause.

Frances clearly states what some people may consider bad behavior is not the same thing as mental illness.

He does not imply Trump is "amoral", nor is he stating Trump knows the difference between right and wrong and doesn't care. You are just trying to put words in his mouth in a attempt to defend another one of your lame posts about Trump.

Boca is correct, Gartner is nothing more than an activist, making money selling his books, while ignoring his code and principle of ethics of his profession. Remember in 2017, he was the one working with moveon.org trying to get a petition signed to have Trump removed from office?

(02-29-2024 08:02 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 06:28 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  So according to Frances, Trump's behavior while "bad" is not caused by mental illness?

He implies then that Trump is just amoral - doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, and doesn't care.

The effect remains regardless of the cause.

Frances clearly states what some people may consider bad behavior is not the same thing as mental illness.

He does not imply Trump is "amoral", nor is he stating Trump knows the difference between right and wrong and doesn't care. You are just trying to put words in his mouth in a attempt to defend another one of your lame posts about Trump.

Boca is correct, Gartner is nothing more than an activist, making money selling his books, while ignoring his code and principle of ethics of his profession. Remember in 2017, he was the one working with moveon.org trying to get a petition signed to have Trump removed from office?

I agree, that doesn't make him "amoral".

Trapping a woman in a department store bathroom, pulling her pantyhose down, and sticking his fingers in her privates makes him "amoral".

Lying about election results is "amoral".

Saying you can grab women's ******* is "amoral".

Calling up Georgia SOS and asking for 10,000 votes is "amoral".

Leading an insurrection at the US Capitol to stop the certification of a Presidential election makes him "amoral".

Creating a fraudulent charity is "amoral".

Lying about your personal wealth is "amoral".

Spreading lies about election workers in Georgia & putting their safety in danger is "amoral".

Lying about election fraud in Arizona is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Michigan is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Wisconsin is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Pennsylvania is "amoral".

Matt Taibbi:
"CIA 'cooked the intelligence' to hide Russia favored Clinton.

(02-29-2024 08:56 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 08:02 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 06:28 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  So according to Frances, Trump's behavior while "bad" is not caused by mental illness?

He implies then that Trump is just amoral - doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, and doesn't care.

The effect remains regardless of the cause.

Frances clearly states what some people may consider bad behavior is not the same thing as mental illness.

He does not imply Trump is "amoral", nor is he stating Trump knows the difference between right and wrong and doesn't care. You are just trying to put words in his mouth in a attempt to defend another one of your lame posts about Trump.

Boca is correct, Gartner is nothing more than an activist, making money selling his books, while ignoring his code and principle of ethics of his profession. Remember in 2017, he was the one working with moveon.org trying to get a petition signed to have Trump removed from office?

I agree, that doesn't make him "amoral".

Trapping a woman in a department store bathroom, pulling her pantyhose down, and sticking his fingers in her privates makes him "amoral".

Lying about election results is "amoral".

Saying you can grab women's ******* is "amoral".

Calling up Georgia SOS and asking for 10,000 votes is "amoral".

Leading an insurrection at the US Capitol to stop the certification of a Presidential election makes him "amoral".

Creating a fraudulent charity is "amoral".

Lying about your personal wealth is "amoral".

Spreading lies about election workers in Georgia & putting their safety in danger is "amoral".

Lying about election fraud in Arizona is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Michigan is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Wisconsin is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Pennsylvania is "amoral".

Taibbi and Shellenberger have shown that CIA cooked the intelligence to hide that Russia favored Clinton.
Clapper and Brennen orchestrated a campaign against Trump and associates that included incorporating allies to try compromise them. This starting during the Obama Administration. Media was also used. These are examples of the most amoral institutions in our country. That fact that people still
buy their BS, even when it is repackaged, recirculated says much.

(02-29-2024 08:56 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 08:02 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 06:28 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  So according to Frances, Trump's behavior while "bad" is not caused by mental illness?

He implies then that Trump is just amoral - doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, and doesn't care.

The effect remains regardless of the cause.

Frances clearly states what some people may consider bad behavior is not the same thing as mental illness.

He does not imply Trump is "amoral", nor is he stating Trump knows the difference between right and wrong and doesn't care. You are just trying to put words in his mouth in a attempt to defend another one of your lame posts about Trump.

Boca is correct, Gartner is nothing more than an activist, making money selling his books, while ignoring his code and principle of ethics of his profession. Remember in 2017, he was the one working with moveon.org trying to get a petition signed to have Trump removed from office?

I agree, that doesn't make him "amoral".

Trapping a woman in a department store bathroom, pulling her pantyhose down, and sticking his fingers in her privates makes him "amoral".

Lying about election results is "amoral".

Saying you can grab women's ******* is "amoral".

Calling up Georgia SOS and asking for 10,000 votes is "amoral".

Leading an insurrection at the US Capitol to stop the certification of a Presidential election makes him "amoral".

Creating a fraudulent charity is "amoral".

Lying about your personal wealth is "amoral".

Spreading lies about election workers in Georgia & putting their safety in danger is "amoral".

Lying about election fraud in Arizona is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Michigan is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Wisconsin is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Pennsylvania is "amoral".

Minor-I'm sure you also have many "amoral" concern's about Biden, don't you?

Dear Boca Rocket,
It was just the opinion of Taibbl that things were cooked. The only thing that stopped the Mueller investigation going forward was (his) Mueller's belief at the time that a sitting president could not be indicted. Russia was helping Trump during the election, not Clinton.

(03-01-2024 09:41 AM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 08:56 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 08:02 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 06:28 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  So according to Frances, Trump's behavior while "bad" is not caused by mental illness?

He implies then that Trump is just amoral - doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, and doesn't care.

The effect remains regardless of the cause.

Frances clearly states what some people may consider bad behavior is not the same thing as mental illness.

He does not imply Trump is "amoral", nor is he stating Trump knows the difference between right and wrong and doesn't care. You are just trying to put words in his mouth in a attempt to defend another one of your lame posts about Trump.

Boca is correct, Gartner is nothing more than an activist, making money selling his books, while ignoring his code and principle of ethics of his profession. Remember in 2017, he was the one working with moveon.org trying to get a petition signed to have Trump removed from office?

I agree, that doesn't make him "amoral".

Trapping a woman in a department store bathroom, pulling her pantyhose down, and sticking his fingers in her privates makes him "amoral".

Lying about election results is "amoral".

Saying you can grab women's ******* is "amoral".

Calling up Georgia SOS and asking for 10,000 votes is "amoral".

Leading an insurrection at the US Capitol to stop the certification of a Presidential election makes him "amoral".

Creating a fraudulent charity is "amoral".

Lying about your personal wealth is "amoral".

Spreading lies about election workers in Georgia & putting their safety in danger is "amoral".

Lying about election fraud in Arizona is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Michigan is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Wisconsin is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Pennsylvania is "amoral".

Minor-I'm sure you also have many "amoral" concern's about Biden, don't you?

Any amoral or immoral concerns about Biden would pale in comparison to Trump. For one thing, with Biden we will definitely still have a democracy in its current form. Trump has shown zero interest in democracy.

Let's not forget Trump University.

Or The Donald's habit of not paying people (including Giuliani) for work done for him, telling them try go get it in court.

(03-01-2024 11:56 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Let's not forget Trump University.

Or The Donald's habit of not paying people (including Giuliani) for work done for him, telling them try go get it in court.

Which makes me wonder why anyone would ever want to work for him at this point. You'd have to be stupid unless you're getting paid up front or you're just basking in the association with Trump and don't care if you get paid.

(03-01-2024 11:56 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Let's not forget Trump University.

Or The Donald's habit of not paying people (including Giuliani) for work done for him, telling them try go get it in court.

You're not going to believe this. The Truth Social founders are suing him because he's a fraud. Who could have seen that coming?

https://x.com/TristanSnell/status/176339...25307?s=20

https://x.com/TristanSnell/status/176339...49478?s=20

(03-01-2024 01:53 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(03-01-2024 11:56 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Let's not forget Trump University.

Or The Donald's habit of not paying people (including Giuliani) for work done for him, telling them try go get it in court.

You're not going to believe this. The Truth Social founders are suing him because he's a fraud. Who could have seen that coming?

https://x.com/TristanSnell/status/176339...25307?s=20

https://x.com/TristanSnell/status/176339...49478?s=20

Never would have guessed it...

"When someone shows you who are they are - believe them."

If Trump is elected he will be the American Putin.

(03-01-2024 01:53 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(03-01-2024 11:56 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Let's not forget Trump University.

Or The Donald's habit of not paying people (including Giuliani) for work done for him, telling them try go get it in court.

You're not going to believe this. The Truth Social founders are suing him because he's a fraud. Who could have seen that coming?

https://x.com/TristanSnell/status/176339...25307?s=20

https://x.com/TristanSnell/status/176339...49478?s=20

What are the chances they will see a dime of what Trump owes them?

(03-01-2024 08:17 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 08:56 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 08:02 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 06:28 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  So according to Frances, Trump's behavior while "bad" is not caused by mental illness?

He implies then that Trump is just amoral - doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, and doesn't care.

The effect remains regardless of the cause.

Frances clearly states what some people may consider bad behavior is not the same thing as mental illness.

He does not imply Trump is "amoral", nor is he stating Trump knows the difference between right and wrong and doesn't care. You are just trying to put words in his mouth in a attempt to defend another one of your lame posts about Trump.

Boca is correct, Gartner is nothing more than an activist, making money selling his books, while ignoring his code and principle of ethics of his profession. Remember in 2017, he was the one working with moveon.org trying to get a petition signed to have Trump removed from office?

I agree, that doesn't make him "amoral".

Trapping a woman in a department store bathroom, pulling her pantyhose down, and sticking his fingers in her privates makes him "amoral".

Lying about election results is "amoral".

Saying you can grab women's ******* is "amoral".

Calling up Georgia SOS and asking for 10,000 votes is "amoral".

Leading an insurrection at the US Capitol to stop the certification of a Presidential election makes him "amoral".

Creating a fraudulent charity is "amoral".

Lying about your personal wealth is "amoral".

Spreading lies about election workers in Georgia & putting their safety in danger is "amoral".

Lying about election fraud in Arizona is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Michigan is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Wisconsin is "amoral"

Lying about election fraud in Pennsylvania is "amoral".

Taibbi and Shellenberger have shown that CIA cooked the intelligence to hide that Russia favored Clinton.
Clapper and Brennen orchestrated a campaign against Trump and associates that included incorporating allies to try compromise them. This starting during the Obama Administration. Media was also used. These are examples of the most amoral institutions in our country. That fact that people still
buy their BS, even when it is repackaged, recirculated says much.

Fly your MAGA flag with pride.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the...98b1&ei=27