I think it is funny that we are bashing schools that actually played Div 1 teams. Maybe those of you that are bashing UL, Pitt and Cuse should keep quiet until your teams play Div 1 opponents.

This is an expansion thread. Time for the moderators to move it.

wvucrazed Wrote:I agree. We need a 9th team.

Perhaps, but the two schools which would involve the least disruption (Villanova, Georgetown) are schools a lot of folks on this message board really don't want.

Who said that?

Myself, and several other fans from longtime BEast schools, have long talked about Villanova or Georgetown upgrading their programs. And you've been one of the ones most adamant that Georgetown, for one, will NEVER upgrade. After a couple of years of hearing that sh!t from you guys, we quit mentioning you. NOW you're saying we don't want you?

Screw this...

I've never claimed Georgetown will never upgrade, but I have maintained that Tranghese et al. have negated such talk because it will upset the balance of the conference.

There are financial hurdles for both of these schools but too many on this board wave the ECU and Memphis banners rather than looking withn its own ranks.

And congrats for WVU for adding Villanova to its schedule. How many other BE teams would do the same?

All of 'em, most likely, if y'all asked. I don't see why the administrations of each member school wouldn't make scheduling arrangements with both Georgetown and Villanova, especially if y'all expressed a desire to upgrade your football programs. Both schools have competitive programs in their division, and both would bring large markets into The BEast fold.

I know Washington is crazy about football. Imagine the interest in Georgetown football if they were competing for The BEast's BCS bid.

Same thing in Philly for Villanova. But neither city wants, or loves, a loser. They love to hate losers, and ridicule them unmercifully. I think that's behind a lot of the ambivalence for both to upgrade. At the smaller level you fly under the radar, so to speak...

East Car would not cost the BE money if they joined as a 9th FB only. Didn't EC say that they would sign there own TV contract & keep thier own bowl money. EC would make up the difference in higher ticket sales [higher prices also], less travell, more sponsership. EC also gaurenteed away ticket sales. East Car would also help BE in baseball with conf tourn there in Greenville. C-USA pays them 2.5 a year. with BE FB & baseball & olympic sports in A-10, they could easily get that & any more would be gravy. I'm sure EC would want some BE basketball teams on the sch also, which also does all of the above.

templefootballfan Wrote:East Car would not cost the BE money if they joined as a 9th FB only. Didn't EC say that they would sign there own TV contract & keep thier own bowl money. EC would make up the difference in higher ticket sales [higher prices also], less travell, more sponsership. EC also gaurenteed away ticket sales. East Car would also help BE in baseball with conf tourn there in Greenville. C-USA pays them 2.5 a year. with BE FB & baseball & olympic sports in A-10, they could easily get that & any more would be gravy. I'm sure EC would want some BE basketball teams on the sch also, which also does all of the above.

football only will not allow for baseball. That would require full membership. I am not sure the basketball schools would go along with that.

Neither Memphis, UCF, and ECU brings to the table what Villanova or Georgetown do. The Washington, D.C. and Philadelphia TV markets. Those outweigh all other considerations. If either makes a move towards upgrading by 2010, or 2013 (if they decide not to decide by 2010), that throws a monkey wrench into all your dreams, and staves off any talk of a split. The other member schools could then decide to see if they could entice a traditional eastern power (BC, Maryland, Penn State, Virginia, or possibly even Temple) to come into the fold.

You never know what the future holds. But you can bet money, and get a good return, if you bet against the popular speculations...

gdayre Wrote:

templefootballfan Wrote:East Car would not cost the BE money if they joined as a 9th FB only. Didn't EC say that they would sign there own TV contract & keep thier own bowl money. EC would make up the difference in higher ticket sales [higher prices also], less travell, more sponsership. EC also gaurenteed away ticket sales. East Car would also help BE in baseball with conf tourn there in Greenville. C-USA pays them 2.5 a year. with BE FB & baseball & olympic sports in A-10, they could easily get that & any more would be gravy. I'm sure EC would want some BE basketball teams on the sch also, which also does all of the above.

football only will not allow for baseball. That would require full membership. I am not sure the basketball schools would go along with that.

We need to explore this option and remove basketball schools input altogether. If not ECU then someone else, there no reason to think only full membership when we already entertain Army/Navy option, thank God that option fail. But to bring one more football team without reduce revenue sharing, why not? People don’t respect regardless what we do, so we have to do what is best for our league.

panite Wrote:This is an expansion thread. Time for the moderators to move it.

Wonder whats taking so long?

KnightLight Wrote:

panite Wrote:This is an expansion thread. Time for the moderators to move it.

Wonder whats taking so long?

Mea culpa! It's a holiday weekend, damn it. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it

This same serino would work with Temple, However Temple adminastration will not think outside the box or be proactive. Holland a genius with some serino he laying out, but the stagnent old boy network can't see it. The perfect conf is the one that brings in the most money & if hybrid does it, so be it

HiddenDragon Wrote:But regardless of what happened to UL, Syracuse and Pitt this weekend the BE needs a 9th football member period.

We're in agreement there. OOC scheduling is a ***** for BE FB schools. Let's make that the reason, instead of this "Oh no! We have too many teams stinking it up. We need to add more" stuff.

I also notice that many on this board have adopted this "flavor of the month" expansion mentality. I took a poll a couple months ago, and ECU finished about 3rd-4th place. I'll bet that would change considerably if taken today.

That said, I always have agreed the Pirates would make most sense for FB only (if they were willing). The FB program is definitely solid, and you could do a lot worse where recent tradition is concerned. Travel considerations for all the other sports has always been my sticking point.

ECU_Pirate Wrote:I will take a guess for the top 25 teams..

West Virginia, South Florida and Cincy.. What do I win?

ECU Pirate

Thanks for the compliment ECU, but we'll see after this coming weekend. We are a 21 point dog in Norman. I personally think we cover, but there are some looming question marks (most correctable though).

As for ECU, major props

Louisville is going to get worst before kragthorpe is fired, bank on it! We need to add ECU and Memphis and split! Later, we can add UCF and a 12th team.

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:

ECU_Pirate Wrote:I will take a guess for the top 25 teams..

West Virginia, South Florida and Cincy.. What do I win?

ECU Pirate

Thanks for the compliment ECU, but we'll see after this coming weekend. We are a 21 point dog in Norman. I personally think we cover, but there are some looming question marks (most correctable though).

As for ECU, major props

What I have noticed over the last 5 years is you ca lose early and finish strong and be able to remain/crack the top 25. Idid not catch Cicny's first game, but judging by the score the did what they were suppose to to E. Kentucky. Everyone has a chance. Good luck vs Oklahoma.

ECU Pirate

Wilkie01 Wrote:Louisville is going to get worst before kragthorpe is fired, bank on it! We need to add ECU and Memphis and split! Later, we can add UCF and a 12th team.

Why the **** do you want twelve teams?

I understand why this got moved to the expansion board, but I didn't mean for this thread to be an expansion thread so much as a need to improve the health of the conference.

Doesnt the ncaa guidelines state that if your primary conference sponsors a sport, you are not allowed to be a member of another conference in that sport?
EX: East Carolina cant be BE in FB and CUSA in all other sports.
(Notre dame is independent in fb so they can be in BE in other sports
since Army is 1a (why still remains the question) and the Patriot league 1aa they can play elsewhere)