DFW, brista, you'll note that a good many of those threads are started by our newer members, who want to turn The BEast into a reincarnation of CUSA...

I can see the point to getting rid of some of the dead weight in the conference, to improve our brand. However, if we base who is dead weight on the Director's Cup standings, which is a pretty accurate way of determining the health of an Athletic Department, some of the football schools would be in jeopardy. So scratch that idea too...

I'd like to see the football schools form an all-sports conference, and I don't think we need to include ND on the deal. IMO the football schools, plus TCU, are strong enough to stand as an AQ conference in every sport we choose to participate in. It's something WVU has been working toward since the breakup of the old Southern Conference, and nothing has changed that as the ultimate goal...

(07-05-2011 09:28 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  DFW, brista, you'll note that a good many of those threads are started by our newer members, who want to turn The BEast into a reincarnation of CUSA...

I can see the point to getting rid of some of the dead weight in the conference, to improve our brand. However, if we base who is dead weight on the Director's Cup standings, which is a pretty accurate way of determining the health of an Athletic Department, some of the football schools would be in jeopardy. So scratch that idea too...

I'd like to see the football schools form an all-sports conference, and I don't think we need to include ND on the deal. IMO the football schools, plus TCU, are strong enough to stand as an AQ conference in every sport we choose to participate in. It's something WVU has been working toward since the breakup of the old Southern Conference, and nothing has changed that as the ultimate goal...

There are a couple of issues in your post which I dont agree with:
#1 The Director's cup is nice and shows how successful an athleic program is, but having a great softball, swimming,soccer, rifle rtc teams does nothing for the amount of money that the league or school makes. So in my book, football and men's basketball are the two major concerns. I would trade a school that is successful in those two over another that is not succesful on those but is nationally ranked in 15 others.
#2 The whole issue of Notre Dame, the reality is that if the Big12 is willing to add Notre Dame for all sports but football, it shows you that they are valuable. Keeping ND I believe brings money to the league on the basketball side and it also keeps any talk of superconferences from happenning. Texas and ND are the two kingspin on that event.

I for one dont agree with moving to an all sports league and getting rid of Georgetown, Nova, Marquette and Notre Dame and even St Johns. Now schools like Providence, Seton Hall and DePaul have to step up in basketball because thats the ONE sport that they bring money to the league. Maybe eventually if those schools cant compete in the league there could be some form of buy out for them.

I agree Cuban...I'd prefer to stay with the catholic bball schools...just wish SH, Prov, Depaul would step it up. What will it take for these schools to get good? They have all been good in the past so I know they have the ability to do so.

Esp Depaul...there are some great kids in Chicagoland and Illinois isn't exactly a juggernaut so there is NO reason in the world Depaul can't be good on a regular basis.

(07-04-2011 07:48 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 07:40 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Some of these posts get a little repetitive, aka "Who needs ND? And, you original members of the conference: Get lost!"

There's a reason why the presidents of these 16...17 schools are together, and it's not to keep Louisville (or any team) fat and happy.

No its to keep all 17 schools collectively as fat and happy as possible.

You nailed it, Brista!

(07-05-2011 10:05 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I agree Cuban...I'd prefer to stay with the catholic bball schools...just wish SH, Prov, Depaul would step it up. What will it take for these schools to get good? They have all been good in the past so I know they have the ability to do so.

Esp Depaul...there are some great kids in Chicagoland and Illinois isn't exactly a juggernaut so there is NO reason in the world Depaul can't be good on a regular basis.

Each school has had its time in the limelight and likely will again. In DePaul's case, they made a bad hire and are recovering. I see where they have put money where they need to do so and I would expect improvement.

Please remember, we will always need someone to finish last, so eliminating a team we perceive to be of no value because they do not win enough, is in reality just eliminating a placeholder doormat that will now be occupied by one of the remaining teams. To have winners means that you MUST have losers, too. It's that whole equilibrium thing rearing its ugly head.

Kinght light just posted this on the expansion board. I brought it over here so we can comment in private.

link

From the article:

The Big East is looking for a new television deal, a deal that ultimately could determine if the conference remains united, splits into two separate leagues or undergoes a reconfiguration that might result in the drastic steps of ousting some non-football playing members and adding a couple of BCS football schools.

Would the BE be adding Notre Dame? Boston College? Kansas & Associates?

Otherwise, the BE would be adding non-BCS schools (ECU, UCF, Navy, etc...)

I see 12/16 set up with Notre Dame, Nova, G-town and St. Johns being kept for basketball. Headquarters being moved to New York. As who the three football teams will be? My quess is this is the pool:

Boston College
Maryland
Navy
East Carolina
Kansas
Missouri
Houston
Central Florida
BYU

IMO most of the names thrown out there are a smoke screen for The BEast's real intention. I've got a feeling a surprise is in the air. What it is, I can't say. But I've got that tingle in me bones...

(08-02-2011 11:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  But I've got that tingle in me bones...

That's because you're

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2011/8/2/2...ec-big-ten

That's good...I miss WVU almost yearly win against them


In all seriousness though, I do miss playing Miami and Va Tech but not BC. I'm sure some Syracuse and Uconn friends will feel differently though

Jackson

The invite to BC is an open-ended one and has been for a few years now.

Most important piece in this article, imho:

"Marinatto sees numbers in the 19 to 23 million per team range which the SEC, Big Ten and Pac-12 have signed off on in recent months."

Obviously that is per football school.

Interesting since Tags 12 football team plan called for TCU, another northeastern team (preferably in Philly) with Navy as the #1 back-up (probably assumed BC wasn't going to come), another Florida school (supposedly UCF, but again, probably because they didn't believe Miami would be interested), and another western team, preferably from Texas (presumably Houston), but then the BYU rumors began.

Don't think it will happen, but a 3 team expansion of BC, Miami, and BYU would not be bad at all.

Cheers,
Neil

(08-02-2011 02:51 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  Don't think it will happen, but a 3 team expansion of BC, Miami, and BYU would not be bad at all.

Cheers,
Neil

Omni, I agree on both counts, that it would be great, but doubtful.

In Miami's case, yeah, it would be one heck of a bump in pay, assuming it even happens, but it would probably be a break-even proposition at best once, once you factor in the travel. Plus they'd probably rather be in FSU's conference than USF's (no offense Bulls).

Maybe a different case for BC - a much better travel situation AND more money. True they wouldn't like the hybrid, but the revised version would be a completely different thing. Still, their decision would have to involve "admitting they were wrong", in moving back to the BE. I don't see that happening.

BYU, on the other hand, would come running.

(08-02-2011 03:01 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(08-02-2011 02:51 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  Don't think it will happen, but a 3 team expansion of BC, Miami, and BYU would not be bad at all.

Cheers,
Neil

Omni, I agree on both counts, that it would be great, but doubtful.

In Miami's case, yeah, it would be one heck of a bump in pay, assuming it even happens, but it would probably be a break-even proposition at best once, once you factor in the travel. Plus they'd probably rather be in FSU's conference than USF's (no offense Bulls).

Maybe a different case for BC - a much better travel situation AND more money. True they wouldn't like the hybrid, but the revised version would be a completely different thing. Still, their decision would have to involve "admitting they were wrong", in moving back to the BE. I don't see that happening.

BYU, on the other hand, would come running.

Agreed on Miami and BC. But I also don't see BC coming back without Miami. They are a follower, not a leader.

Both will likely weather the storm in the ACC until the their contract is renegotiated.

Cheers,
Neil

Actually Omni, I'd rather see VT come back than either Miami or BC. But, that is equally a pipe dream.

I voted HELL NO...

I love how we all say that BC brings little value to the ACC, because they have no pull in their market. Yet somehow if they were in the Big East, we'd get a lot more money. [/eyeroll]. It's as bad as the peopel droolingover Kansas and Kansas State.

(08-02-2011 04:13 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Actually Omni, I'd rather see VT come back than either Miami or BC. But, that is equally a pipe dream.

I wouldn't mind all three coming back. I wish they had never left.

But it happened, and I don't see anything that is likely to change it.

Cheers,
Neil

I don't want BC. All offense meant. I would much rather add Kansas. Kansas State is a different story.While they were great under Bill Snyder, their record when he isn't their coach is a dealbreaker.