tigersharktwo Wrote:Your numbers are not correct L.
(*sigh* once more unto the breach)
Fine, let's include your assertions and see what
might happen, shall we?
Quote:You forgot about the TV contract division from 8 to 9.(150,000 per school)
No he didn't. He said
"The TV deal would be interesting. I would not be surprised to see the EAC get a larger payout per program from that stream also post split. " Now, raise your hand if you think this nine member conference would NOT be worth more per school than what the BE programs are making now?
*keeps hands in lap*
That's what I thought. Thus, no net loss. If anything I'd bet real money this would be a money maker for these programs.
Quote:The is in addition to the $300,000 loss per school from the BCS bowl.
Net changes in bowl revenue were covered in his equations, so this point is covered.
Quote:The extra money for the non bcs bowl is also incorrect.You are adding a complete bowl payout in .In reality you are just trading bowls,thus if (?) the Liberty bowl is exchanged for another bowl this amounts to about to 50k to 75k per school and thats far from certain.
It is true that the "Memphis/Liberty" scenarios might require a bowl swap IF the BE adds the games in Toronto and/or NJ to their existing bowl lineup. If that happens then we must also consider that
a) The BE would be working with 5 bowls, meaning added income and options;
b) If the Liberty is simply a swap for another bowl it would, in all likelihood, be a lower paying bowl
Some might say the BE would need 9 teams to secure a 5th bowl. If that's not the case than perhaps a 9 member BE with deals with ND< Army and Navy might actually be worth more than 5 bowls?!!
Quote:Furthermore ,there is the postive money that you could earn without adding another unneeded 9th football team,by adding Army and Navy to a non BCS bowl and the tv revenue. gotten from Army and Navy from getting more tv appearnces from their tv contracts. You also got rid of the two non-bcs bowls with the loss of ND and the loss 3 games per year with BE schools.This costs 6 million.Your financial picture is totally without basis in football.
Welcome to dueling assumptions! TS2, you tend to think that most BE split/expansion sagas would cause the immediate divorce of any relationship between BE football and ND, Army and Navy. Since we don't know for sure it's safe to also assume that might not be the case. ND would still need help with Bowl tie-ins, whether they're in the BE, EAC, MVAC , MEAC... whatever. Even the Gator wouldn't want them every year, so it stands to reason that any fashion of BE football conference might be worth the relationship to ND.
Ditto the regular season arrangements for ND, Army and Navy. If all parties find the arrangements agreeable with BE football at the current 8 members, there is no reason to suggest that such/similar arrangements could not be pursued under a 9 member lineup. Thus any assumption that a 9 member BE lineup would have to work without these agreements (which aren't even in practice, yet) is patently immature, if not likely incorrect. Thus your final comments...
Quote:Memphis the 44th largest market is nOt WORTH the price.Trading ND for memphis is a killer financially in football.Your figures for bb are not even close when it comes tv effects.The major part of the market for the BE is not and will not be in the south.
can only be construed as a string of possibilities. In terms of impacting bowl and TV contracts the BE might not actually be trading ND for Memphis but simply adding Memphis to the fold. (Or trading the 7 Catholic schools for Memphis, etc.)
Bottom line, many of the factors considered in these expansion ideas are indeed assumptions, but reasons you're offering for debunking said ideas are at the least equally presumptious.
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So what if the Meadowlands Arena goes away? I hear there's to be a new football stadium that will be constructed not to far away. One with a dome and the capacity to host large basketball events.